Who Knew ?

Post by **jones jones** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:49 am

I didn't know! You didn't know! How could we know?

Did you know that DUE TO THE TROOPS: 47 countries have now re-established their embassies in Iraq ?

Did you know that the Iraqi government currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?

Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are under rehabilitation, 263 new schools are now under construction, and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq ?

Did you know that Iraq 's higher education structure now consists of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or Colleges, and 4 research centers, all currently operating?

Did you know - that Iraqi women are now allowed to attend schools?

Did you know that 25 Iraqi students departed for the United States in January 2005, for the re-established Fulbright program?

Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is now operational? That they have five (5) - 100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels, and a naval infantry regiment.

Did you know that Iraq 's Air Force now consists of three operational squadrons, which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft

(under Iraqi operational control) which operate day and night, and they'll soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers?

Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion?

Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers?

Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq , that produce over 3500 new officers each 8 weeks?

Did you know there are now more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq ? They include 364 school s, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities.

Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the series of polio vaccinations?

Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid-October 2007?

Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq , and phone use has gone up 158% ?

Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consists of 75 radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?

Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?

Did you know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a televised debate recently?

OF COURSE WE DIDN'T KNOW! WHY DIDN'T WE KNOW? OUR NEWS MEDIA REFUSES TO TELL THIS!

Instead of reflecting your love for your country, you get photos of flag burnings, incidents at Abu Ghraib and people throwing things at the presidential motorcades.

Tragically, the lack of accentuating the positive in Iraq serves three major purposes of the liberal news media:

1. It is intended to undermine the world's perception of the United States, thus minimizing consequent support;

2. It is intended to discourage American citizens and erode their support for the war.

All the above facts about Iraq are verifiable on the Department of Defense website.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:14 pm

I'm disappointed that a thread this important languished all day without a single reply.

Thank you, JJ for posting this. It's so hard it seems to find anything positive about our troops in the news. If one only watches the tv news we'd think that the troops go out and torture/rape/murder, then go sit down and do absolutely nothing for a few weeks, then run over a mine, killing or maiming a few soldiers.

The humanitarian accomplishments of our troops is truly remarkable, and it's shameful that it goes on without remark.

:yh_flag

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:24 am

Bump! Because it deserves attention.

shelbell · Post by **shelbell** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:31 pm

Thanks Jj for this...and it's true, so many of the news outlets today are in the tank for Obama, so they think only reporting the bad will help him get elected. It's so sad when so many good things have happened because of our soldiers who put their lives at risk everyday to give these media outlets the freedom to "report" all the garbage.

Post by **spot** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:41 pm

I've just had my attention drawn to the opening post of the thread.

It's not easy to debunk propaganda on this scale which would make even Goebbels blush but I'll have a try at it over the next while. I do know how difficult it is to do, having done it to other posts in the past, but it's worth teasing this apart into its constituent lies and distortions.

It's so cheap and easy and effortless for JJ to copy/paste it here from its circulation around the Internet, it takes days to untangle sufficiently for people to recognize that it's an unsavoury lying distortion of the real world.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:44 pm

spot;1004650 wrote: *snip early line of bullshit* ... but it's worth teasing this apart *snip later line of bullshit* Why?

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:49 pm

Even if only part of it are true. It is a impressive list of positive action in Iraq.

Post by **spot** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:03 pm

Accountable;1004655 wrote: Why?

Because it's gross and offensively misleading, as I intend to demonstrate.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:11 pm

spot;1004670 wrote: Because it's gross and offensively misleading, as I intend to demonstrate.
I don't believe you. I don't believe you want to "tease it apart" because you're some kind of humanitarian in search of the truth. No, I think you're on a crusade to broadcast all things anti-American, regardless whether it is true or not, and to sully any positive statements and spoil any positive threads about America. You're the bitter drunk at the party who takes pleasure in spoiling everyone else' good time.

Post by **spot** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:30 pm

Accountable;1004680 wrote: I don't believe you. I don't believe you want to "tease it apart" because you're some kind of humanitarian in search of the truth. No, I think you're on a crusade to broadcast all things anti-American, regardless whether it is true or not, and to sully any positive statements and spoil any positive threads about America. You're the bitter drunk at the party who takes pleasure in spoiling everyone else' good time.

Your good time has brought about the excess deaths of over a million Iraqis and left over two million of them refugees. I think I'll start on "Did you know - that Iraqi women are now allowed to attend schools?" - it's a statement that ought to make every American feel sick to his stomach.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:34 am

spot;1004701 wrote: Your good time has brought about the excess deaths of over a million Iraqis and left over two million of them refugees. I think I'll start on "Did you know - that Iraqi women are now allowed to attend schools?" - it's a statement that ought to make every American feel sick to his stomach.
Spew your pointless hatred. Let everybody see the real Stain ... spot ... whatever.

Brown spot is a garden disease. It makes ugly patches in one's otherwise beautiful garden, but is otherwise harmless.

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:43 am

Accountable;1004915 wrote: Spew your pointless hatred. Let everybody see the real Stain ... spot ... whatever. You never even attempt to refute my statements, do you. Because my statements are factual and accurate?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:17 pm

Pro/anti war debate.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:52 am

oscar;1009842 wrote: Pro/anti war debate.

Nobody is pro-war. Any time something positive is said about America it gets up spot's nose and he goes on a crusade to disprove it. His general pattern is to claim he loves and admires Americans while out of the other side of his mouth he says we're evil. If you have the time you can dig around the archives and find the same pattern come up again and again.

He loves us; he just loathes every detail about us, that's all. :yh_eyerol

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:54 pm

10-01-2008 08:03 PM

spot Re: Who Knew ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Accountable

Why?

Because it's gross and offensively misleading, as I intend to demonstrate.

OK spot..........

you said this (above) 10-01-2008 08:03 PM (7days ago)

It is now 10-08-2008 and these are your best snippy retorts:

quote spot:

"Your good time has brought about the excess deaths of over a million Iraqis and left over two million of them refugees. I think I'll start on "Did you know - that Iraqi women are now allowed to attend schools?" - it's a statement that ought to make every American feel sick to his stomach. "

Why in the hell would the FACT that NOW Iraqi women can attend schools make Americans sick to their stomachs?

Why?

Oh lets don't forget this winner either:

quote spot

"You never even attempt to refute my statements, do you. Because my statements are factual and accurate?"

10-01-2008 08:11 PM

Waiting with foul breath for facts that refute...... oh say

A KFC in of sorts Iraq.........

Post by **spot** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:07 pm

Because, under the pre-invasion Ba'athist government, Iraq was the one Muslim country in the Middle East which had integrated women into its education system, to the extent that most University graduates in Iraq were women. They were integrated into the workforce, they were driving cars, there was no enforced wearing of Hijabs, Iraq was a secular republic. The move toward equal opportunity for women was astounding. All completely wrecked and put back to square one by the "liberation" in 2003. That's why the statement's so sickening - the implication that "Did you know - that Iraqi women are now allowed to attend schools?" means they weren't before the invasion.

I was going to dig out statistics before posting it because I bet some of you are so propagandized as to think I'm wrong. Am I wrong? Bear in mind that the statistics exist and a lot more besides.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:03 pm

You lost me spot????

I ask:

"Why in the hell would the FACT that NOW Iraqi women can attend schools make Americans sick to their stomachs?

Why?"

So you are making the statement that under Saddam it was more better because he let them attend college?

Oh Really:

WOW......... Maybe you should have elected him to run your country

What about the rapes, tortures and persucutions of women?

Oh that's right he let em attend college so he is your man.......

Iraqi Women Under Saddam's Regime: A Population Silenced

Situation for Women in Saddam's Iraq

In 1979, immediately upon coming to power, Saddam Hussein silenced all political opposition in Iraq and converted his one-party state into a cult of personality. Since then, his regime has systematically executed, tortured, imprisoned, raped, terrorized, and repressed the Iraqi people. Iraq is a nation rich in culture, with a long history of intellectual and scientific achievement, especially among its women. However, Saddam Hussein's brutal regime has silenced the voices of Iraq's women, along with its men, through violence and intimidation. In Iraq under Saddam, if you are a woman, you could face:

Beheading. Under the pretext of fighting prostitution, units of "Fedayeen Saddam," the paramilitary organization led by Uday Hussein, Saddam's eldest son, have beheaded in public more than 200 women throughout the country, dumping their severed heads at their families' doorsteps. Many families have been required to display the victim's head on their outside fences for several days. These barbaric acts were carried out in the total absence of any proper judicial procedures and many of the victims were not engaged in prostitution, but were targeted for political reasons. For example, Najat Mohammad Haydar, an obstetrician in Baghdad, was beheaded after criticizing the corruption within health services. (Amnesty International Report, Iraq: Systematic Torture of Political Prisoners, August 2001; Iraqi Women's League in Damascus, Syria)

Rape. The Iraqi Government uses rape and sexual assault of women to achieve the following goals: to extract information and forced confessions from detained family members; to intimidate Iraqi oppositionists by sending videotapes showing the rape of female family members; and to blackmail Iraqi men into future cooperation with the regime. Some Iraqi authorities even carry personnel cards identifying their official "activity" as the "violation of women's honor." (U.S. Department of State, Country Reports on Human Rights Practices-2001, March 2002; Iraq Research and Documentation Project, Harvard University)

Torture. The Iraqi Government routinely tortures and kills female dissidents and the female relatives of Iraqi oppositionists and defectors. Victims include Safiyah Hassan, the mother of two Iraqi defectors, who was killed after publicly criticizing the Iraqi Government for killing her sons after their return to Iraq. Women in Saddam's jails are subjected to the following forms of torture: brutal beatings, systematic rape, electrical shocks, and branding. (U.S. Department of State, Country Reports on Human Rights Practices-2001, March 2002; U.S. Department of State, Iraq: A Population Silenced, December 2002)

Murder. In 1990, Saddam Hussein introduced Article 111 into the Iraqi Penal Code in a calculated effort to strengthen tribal support for his regime. This law exempts men who kill their female relatives in defense of their family's honor from prosecution and punishment. The UN Special Rapporteur on Violence Against Women reported that more than 4,000 women have been victims of so-called "honor killings" since Article 111 went into effect. (UN Commission on Human Rights, Report of the Special Rapporteur on Violence Against Women, January 2002)

Post by **spot** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:18 pm

BTS;1013383 wrote: So you are making the statement that under Saddam it was more better because he let them attend college? Yes. It was gross and offensively misleading to say "Did you know - that Iraqi women are now allowed to attend schools?" given the status of women in Iraq before the invasion compared to their status there now. They've gone to the back of the queue where they started thanks to the "liberation" of their country.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:28 pm

spot;1013391 wrote: Yes. It was gross and offensively misleading to say "Did you know - that Iraqi women are now allowed to attend schools?" given the status of women in Iraq before the invasion compared to their status there now. They've gone to the back of the queue where they started thanks to the "liberation" of their country.

OK point taken,,,,,,,,,,,

Now you get on with debunking the other 50

Post by **spot** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:31 pm

BTS;1013392 wrote: OK point taken,,,,,,,,,,,

Now you get on with debunking the other 50

Before I have a try at "Did you know that the Iraqi government currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?", does it mean wow isn't it good it's that many or does it mean wow see how much we've brought it down from the bad old days? What exactly is the brag here?

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:53 pm

spot;1013395 wrote: Before I have a try at "Did you know that the Iraqi government currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?", does it mean wow isn't it good it's that many or does it mean wow see how much we've brought it down from the bad old days? What exactly is the brag here?

You choice

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:45 am

jones jones;997489 wrote: I didn't know! You didn't know! How could we know?

Did you know that DUE TO THE TROOPS: 47 countries have now re-established their embassies in Iraq ?

Did you know that the Iraqi government currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?

Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are under rehabilitation, 263 new schools are now under construction, and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq ?

Did you know that Iraq 's higher education structure now consists of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or Colleges, and 4 research centers, all currently operating?

Did you know - that Iraqi women are now allowed to attend schools?

Did you know that 25 Iraqi students departed for the United States in January 2005, for the re-established Fulbright program?

Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is now operational? That they have five (5) - 100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels, and a naval infantry regiment.

Did you know that Iraq 's Air Force now consists of three operational squadrons, which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft

(under Iraqi operational control) which operate day and night, and they'll soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers?

Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion?

Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers?

Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq , that produce over 3500 new officers each 8 weeks?

Did you know there are now more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq ? They include 364 school s, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities.

Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the series of polio vaccinations?

Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid-October 2007?

Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq , and phone use has gone up 158% ?

Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consists of 75 radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?

Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?

Did you know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a televised debate recently?

OF COURSE WE DIDN'T KNOW! WHY DIDN'T WE KNOW? OUR NEWS MEDIA REFUSES TO TELL THIS!

Instead of reflecting your love for your country, you get photos of flag burnings, incidents at Abu Ghraib and people throwing things at the presidential motorcades.

Tragically, the lack of accentuating the positive in Iraq serves three major purposes of the liberal news media:

1. It is intended to undermine the world's perception of the United States, thus minimizing consequent support;

2. It is intended to discourage American citizens and erode their support for the war.

All the above facts about Iraq are verifiable on the Department of Defense website.
:yh_clap :yh_flag :yh_clap

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:01 am

Accountable;1013471 wrote: :yh_clap :yh_flag :yh_clap

You want to have a try at the government employment total? In "Did you know that the Iraqi government currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?", does it mean wow isn't it good it's that many or does it mean wow see how much we've brought it down from the bad old days? What exactly is the brag here?

I asked before but seriously, I don't think anyone actually knows. It's just a soundbite.

You tell me - it's good it's so high or it's good it's so low?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:14 am

It must really chap your ass to know there are thousands of US troops permanently stationed on British soil.

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:42 am

Accountable;1013479 wrote: It must really chap your ass to know there are thousands of US troops permanently stationed on British soil.

You don't know either, then? I'm right, it is just a bit of soundbite fluff? What was your applause and patriotic Stars and Stripes smiley in aid of if you don't even understand the lines?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:25 pm

[QUOTE=Scrat;1018063 Let the Brits take care of themselves. Maybe I'd feel better if the Brits paid us for the protection.

That's the funniest thing i've heard in years. :yh_wave:yh_loser:yh_loser:yh_loser

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:51 pm

I never saw this thread before. Thank you for posting this JJ:-6

Spot....you never stop, do you

:(

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:30 am

Scrat;1018142 wrote: Why are American troops in your country? :sneaky:

It's obvious why US troops are in the UK.

You have probably heard the rumours of the impending civil war between Scotland and England.

Herds of haggis eating, kilted, bearded Scotsmen are lined on the border ready to invade.

There is possibly a chance that Ireland could be caught up in the troubles if they send their fiddle playing, potatoe eating leprechauns in to boost the Scotish front.

We need Americans to do what they always do -- Over-paid, over-sexed and over-here.