oscar;1034800 wrote: We don't torture confessions out of suspects any more. There is too much forensic work available to avoid innocent people being executed.
The point of the inclusion of Guy Fawkes and, earlier, my comment regarding Saint George, was with reference to the manner they were executed. Guy Fawkes was brought up by your kind self as I recall.
York Dungeon reckon that first they cut off St. Georges arms and sides and when that didn't kill him, they threw him in a pot of boiling water. When he survived that, they finally cut off his head. Whether that is true or not, I don't know, but it still seems way too good for this bastard.
OpenMind;1034847 wrote: The point of the inclusion of Guy Fawkes and, earlier, my comment regarding Saint George, was with reference to the manner they were executed. Guy Fawkes was brought up by your kind self as I recall.
York Dungeon reckon that first they cut off St. Georges arms and sides and when that didn't kill him, they threw him in a pot of boiling water. When he survived that, they finally cut off his head. Whether that is true or not, I don't know, but it still seems way too good for this bastard.
Absolutely right and it would deter others.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
His teacher said he had a violent streak since he was a kid. I wonder if the details are available. Did he kill the family pet or something? People who do something this cruel usually show signs earlier in life.
His teacher said he had a violent streak since he was a kid. I wonder if the details are available. Did he kill the family pet or something? People who do something this cruel usually show signs earlier in life.
This part is ironic. We have a thread going at the moment "12 yr old kids beat zoo kangaroo to death" and we had one recently about a 7 yr old who deliberately fed animals to a crocodile and it got rather heated.
Redglitter and myself say that kids who do this often go on to commit further sadistic crimes on humans. Some members just won't have it and say that at those ages, the child doesn't know what they are doing. That may be the case, but i have read books on serial killers where they have started by torturing animals for fun.
This guy tortured this baby for months. It wasn't a one off loss of temper if she wouldn't stop crying for example. His acts were sadistic and continued even after he had seriously injured her before. That is nothing but sadistic and i was not at all surprised to hear that he had shown early signs of disturbance.
But, what mother in her right mind turns a blind eye?
I could understand it if she offered up a plea that she was too frightened to leave him because he was violent towards her. Many women find it difficult to leave a man who has them in the grip of fear of violence, but i haven't read anything that shows she was also a victem.
She deserves to suffer as much as him. In my mind, she contributed to the babie's death by allowing it. She should never be allowed near a child again.
and sterilised.
He should simply be put to death so he doesn't come out of prison at 50 yrs old, re-locats and starts a new relationship with an unsuspecting women and become a father again, god forbid, or harms any other child.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
TheNewDG;1034943 wrote: I have been thinking about this story for hours...
Gawd, I cant wrap my effing head around it!!! I am so ANGRY!
I have been waiting 5 (FIVE, FIVE, FIVE EFFING YEARS) to get pregnant, and just finished my homestudy in September to adopt a baby...
This is HORRIBLE! Leave the effing baby on my doorpstep! I will call authorities to sort it out!
WTF is WRONG with people???? This is the worst, WORST kind of evil!!!!!!
I will pay your GAS MONEY, AIRLINE, BUS, WHATEVER money to get you here to turn that baby over to social services to get it a home. JAYSUS KRIST!!!!
THIS INFURIATES THE EFF OUT OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!
IT IS SO EFFING SICK I HOPE THEY DIE AND GOD SHOWS NO MERCY! "Low intelligence" my effing ARSE!!!!!
I can understand how you feel here.
My nephew's wife had to have an emergency hysterectomy at the age of 26 yrs old. It was particually tough on her as she was constantly having to watch my other neice's have babie's, one neice is expecting her 8th child on Xmas day.
From day one, social services could see that they were the ideal couple. They have their own large house, he has a trade and she is a nurse at the local hospital. It took 6 years of red tape before she finally got her baby boy. So frustrating. Here, social services are trying to lift some of the red tape that holds up adoption.
With my nephew, they scrutinised their mortgage re-payments, the bank record, did pyscological reports, even on other members of the immediate family who were going to be in contact with them, checked their house continually, their work records etc etc. The stupid thing as well, was when they considered a brother or sister for their little boy, they were told they would not be eligable automatically because they had adopted before and that they would have to go through the same red tape.
I would have had this baby girl in a heartbeat however much it disrupted my life.
It is so sad and i blame the social workers who also allowed it to happen. All they could bleat in court when questioned was that the couple did not make baby check appointments nor would the couple answer the door when they visited.
Just kick the door in, simple.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
TheNewDG;1035528 wrote: Its jarring when you first read it huh?
Its kind of like watching one of those beheading videos.
I know we shouldn't go by appearences but he just looks so evil and she looks so dumb. Fitting for the crime really. I didn't expect to see a pic of santa there. I wasn't shocked when i saw him, it was really what i was expecting.
And those eyes........ horrid :mad:
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
TheNewDG;1035536 wrote: I have been thinking about this since yesterday and wish I had never read it. I have never heard something so awful. I got physically sick last night.
And suspended sentence? What is that? Think that judge is going to get some hatemail?
I wasnt going to reply because the words available to me dont resonate with the feeling I have.
TheNewDG;1035536 wrote: I have been thinking about this since yesterday and wish I had never read it. I have never heard something so awful. I got physically sick last night.
And suspended sentence? What is that? Think that judge is going to get some hatemail?
Unfortunately, the judge probably fell for the defence lawyers plea that she was of low intelligence and needed to be pitied.
What i find disturbing as well, is that after social workers noticed they were not attending follow baby clinic appointments or would not answer their door when they called at the house, they noticed that he had put cctv camera's up to vet visitors. Surely this would have sent an average intelligence social worker straight to the courts for a warrent of entry??
I hope they lose their jobs, there is just no excuse, not in this country with the stringent baby checks we have in place.
The moment they missed one appointment and would not answer the door once, that should have been it. Door kicked down. If they have nothing to hide, they would open the door.
How dumb must these social workers have been?? Even a layman would have got warning signals. As far as i'm concerned, they contributed to her death.:-1
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
oscar;1035545 wrote: Unfortunately, the judge probably fell for the defence lawyers plea that she was of low intelligence and needed to be pitied.
What i find disturbing as well, is that after social workers noticed they were not attending follow baby clinic appointments or would not answer their door when they called at the house, they noticed that he had put cctv camera's up to vet visitors. Surely this would have sent an average intelligence social worker straight to the courts for a warrent of entry??
I hope they lose their jobs, there is just no excuse, not in this country with the stringent baby checks we have in place.
The moment they missed one appointment and would not answer the door once, that should have been it. Door kicked down. If they have nothing to hide, they would open the door.
How dumb must these social workers have been?? Even a layman would have got warning signals. As far as i'm concerned, they contributed to her death.:-1
Absolutley. There have been some stories here where social workers were finally held accountable. Terrell was one I remember:
I remember this. I think we had a documentary on it here.
I think in the case of social workers, partial fault lie's at the weight of their case-loads. However, if you have 10 cases say, 9 answer the door when you call and the baby is fit and well, you have 1 who won't answer the door, surely common sense kicks in?
That's what you or i would do.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
this "thing"will suffer a great deal inside ,he will go to a wing with others of his kind,but eventualy somehow some boiling sugar water will make contact with his hide(sugar sticks for maximum injury)he will be attacked successfully a few times ,but protected often,but his gonna lose sleep wondering when and what the next attack will be.my guess it will somehow involve his back ,but they will have to search a long time to find a spine in that creep.
hoxtonchris;1035701 wrote: this "thing"will suffer a great deal inside ,he will go to a wing with others of his kind,but eventualy somehow some boiling sugar water will make contact with his hide(sugar sticks for maximum injury)he will be attacked successfully a few times ,but protected often,but his gonna lose sleep wondering when and what the next attack will be.my guess it will somehow involve his back ,but they will have to search a long time to find a spine in that creep.
It's awfull to wish pain and suffering on any-one but boy, this one dserves it. I can't even call him a man because he's never going to be one.
Fortunately, us British do have a way of getting to these scum in our Jails. There is alot of 'gangster' types in there who don't take kindly to child killers.
I imagine him being segregated with the likes of Huntley. He could even come into the risk of 'accidents' by the wardens themselves. It has been known.
Release. even in 22 years would be dodgy.... remember Ian Brady, Myra Hindley? The British public have long memorie's.
They get p.c's in Prisons here so there's every chance he might log on and find this thread.
If you are logged on... I hope other inmates maim you for life so that you need your arss wiped by a kindly Jailer who does it with a razor blade. When you have suffered like that for a few years..... May you die horribly from cancer and save the British taxpayers money.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
OpenMind;1054238 wrote: Further news concerning this case.
Baby 'used as punchbag' died despite 60 visits from social services - Telegraph
This is absolutely deplorable. They should be torchered the way the way same way this poor baby was, made them suffer the way the baby did, then be killed.
shelbell;1054451 wrote: This is absolutely deplorable. They should be torchered the way the way same way this poor baby was, made them suffer the way the baby did, then be killed.
It's not just what the bastards did to the child in their despicable care (and a lot of us hope they get their just desserts inside), these articles have highlighted how inadequate the various authority figures were who were involved in the case. The doctor who simply didn't notice within two days of his murder that the spine was broken. This just blatantly lies on top of a pile of errors of judgement.
OpenMind;1054454 wrote: It's not just what the bastards did to the child in their despicable care (and a lot of us hope they get their just desserts inside), these articles have highlighted how inadequate the various authority figures were who were involved in the case. The doctor who simply didn't notice within two days of his murder that the spine was broken. This just blatantly lies on top of a pile of errors of judgement.
The social workers should be really punished too...after that many visits to the home, they HAD to see something that would have allowed them to remove the child from those so called people.:-5:-5
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