Election updates.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:02 pm

I think it's all over for McCainy Wainy!!!!!!...

We're making US history here folks...

I'm actually delighted we'll have our first African American President. Will give an unprecedented amount of morale to African Americans and their hopes.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:07 pm

I'm seeing Obama 207, McCain 89

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:20 pm

Cnn obaba 207, mccain 129

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:47 pm

Yah-Yah .....me thinks that one is over, now it is down to the house and senate. Can the dems pull of a 60% majority or not? If so, then it is REALLY a dark time ahead..IMO

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:54 pm

One putz I REALLY want to see dumped on his ass is John Murtha. What a loo loo he is.

He is already claiming his win........Eveyone else says it is TOO close to call.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:58 pm

With the state of Ohio in his win column, Obama wins the presidency become the nation’s 44th president and 1st openly socialist-leaning president.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:59 pm

Obama 297, McCain 139

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:19 pm

McCain conceding now

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:44 pm

Obama 338, McCain 155

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:01 pm

Obamas talking NOW

I hope he can do better than Johnson.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:38 pm

Next prediction is..."When will Obama be on Oprah?"...

:wah:...

Post by **spot** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:46 pm

K.Snyder;1046239 wrote: Next prediction is..."When will Obama be on Oprah?"...Wrong way round, the question is whether Oprah's going to be the next Secretary of State.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:52 pm

spot;1046245 wrote: Wrong way round, the question is whether Oprah's going to be the next Secretary of State.

:wah:...

Oh stop!!!!!!...

:wah:...

Obama's not going to abuse his powers!!!!!!...

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:yh_nailbi...

I should have voted MacCain!!!!!!...

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:yh_nailbi...

I should have moved to Canada!!!!!...

Post by **spot** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:04 pm

K.Snyder;1046251 wrote: Oh stop!!!!!!...Years ago I wrote that Coolio would make a great contribution to national politics if he was given the chance. Grasp the day, now's the time, make it happen. The Education portfolio, I think.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:07 pm

spot;1046256 wrote: Years ago I wrote that Coolio would make a great contribution to national politics if he was given the chance. Grasp the day, now's the time, make it happen. The Education portfolio, I think.

I don't know "Coolio's" credentials.

*Edit* I know who he is, but I don't know his credentials.

Post by **spot** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:28 pm

K.Snyder;1046257 wrote: I don't know "Coolio's" credentials.

*Edit* I know who he is, but I don't know his credentials.

Anyone who can talk to schoolkids the way Gangsta's Paradise did is capable of making a difference.

They say I got to learn but nobody's here to teach me, if they can't understand it, how can they reach me? I guess they can't, I guess they won't. You remember the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives? Rip out the bit that siphons government money into Church Outreach programs and the remaining bits might make a difference on the street It needs someone identifiable like Coolio to give focus and visibility to that sort of organization.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:54 pm

spot;1046262 wrote: Anyone who can talk to schoolkids the way Gangsta's Paradise did is capable of making a difference.

They say I got to learn but nobody's here to teach me, if they can't understand it, how can they reach me? I guess they can't, I guess they won't. You remember the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives? Rip out the bit that siphons government money into Church Outreach programs and the remaining bits might make a difference on the street It needs someone identifiable like Coolio to give focus and visibility to that sort of organization.

I've always known Coolio to be very active when it comes to fighting the adversities he's faced but I feel much more comfortable in seeing his credentials before I were to trust him with anything above being in charge of the local Boys & Girls Clubs of America.(From which I grew up playing basketball in)...Without giving respect to your average college degree of course...

The man has integrity though I'll give him that.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:56 pm

You guys have a Black President!!!!!!! WOW

Scrat;1046264 wrote: He isn't black. I don't think he's going to allow himself to be pidgeon holed either.

I think we've just witnessed history and I'm absolutely ecstatic, and I think it couldn't have come at a better time.

I also think what's happened will give hope to not just the youth of minorities but minority families altogether and will serve as a statement that will help to rid the ideology of young minorities to something more honorable. I applaud the man.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:15 am

Scrat;1046280 wrote: I think it is a big step in history but not a big change.

I have misgivings but America as we know it the last 8 years has to change. It was the most ****ed up time I have ever seen.

Bush and his junta WAS the worst America has ever seen.

Well, we'll see.

For the record, I can't imagine a US President doing as such an abysmal job as George W. Bush has within what I'd guess to be the next 20 years.

Post by **spot** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:21 am

Scrat;1046280 wrote: I think it is a big step in history but not a big change.

I have misgivings but America as we know it the last 8 years has to change. It was the most ****ed up time I have ever seen.

Bush and his junta WAS the worst America has ever seen.

I only want to see one more thing out of that crooked criminal White House and that's George W Bush's presidential pardons as he goes out of the door. It ought to make interesting reading.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:22 am

Its a wonderful validation of American democracy and the ability of Americans to re-invent themselves. I hope that the new President can bring change to the direction of the US and the West and I am sure he will.

The next problem is Europe, the recession is going to hit here now, and the political fall-out is going to be very serious across the continent. Lots of unemployed, angry Europeans, and they are going to want someone to blame.

America is lucky in that the right candidate has come at the right time to at least take some of the politcal strain. In Europe of course such things are not possible, as its not a single nation, and of course we have form from our dark past in what can happen politically because of repercussion of severe depressions, I hope that the recession we are starting to experience doesn't turn into a depression, but it may, and I hope that politcally things don't become too unstable in European countries.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:13 pm

Galbally;1046354 wrote: Its a wonderful validation of American democracy and the ability of Americans to re-invent themselves. I hope that the new President can bring change to the direction of the US and the West and I am sure he will.

The next problem is Europe, the recession is going to hit here now, and the political fall-out is going to be very serious across the continent. Lots of unemployed, angry Europeans, and they are going to want someone to blame.

America is lucky in that the right candidate has come at the right time to at least take some of the politcal strain. In Europe of course such things are not possible, as its not a single nation, and of course we have form from our dark past in what can happen politically because of repercussion of severe depressions, I hope that the recession we are starting to experience doesn't turn into a depression, but it may, and I hope that politcally things don't become too unstable in European countries.

I've always thought about the European Union and how Europe, as a whole, I do believe has sort of the same not only political structures but ideologies as well, and can't help but wonder if it's at all too far of a delusion to think that all of Europe may unite under one flag...

If not at least soon how soon do you(All) think such a breakthrough would take place?...

Post by **spot** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:18 pm

K.Snyder;1047245 wrote: I've always thought about the European Union and how Europe, as a whole, I do believe has sort of the same not only political structures but ideologies as well, and can't help but wonder if it's at all too far of a delusion to think that all of Europe may unite under one flag...

If not at least soon how soon do you(All) think such a breakthrough would take place?...

We already have one flag we unite under. We have national flags too.

You have a national flag and States flags.

We also share lots of laws, law courts, a parliament, a single currency (except for Britain).

The difference is that in Europe each country retains its own foreign and tax policy. That means they're still individual countries.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:43 pm

spot;1047250 wrote: We already have one flag we unite under. We have national flags too.

You have a national flag and States flags.

We also share lots of laws, law courts, a parliament, a single currency (except for Britain).

The difference is that in Europe each country retains its own foreign and tax policy. That means they're still individual countries.

I see...

So then Europe is much more united than I'd thought, ok...

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:47 pm

Wow how things change thru tyme:

WOW NOW this is a REAL swing!!!!!!!!!!!! The incumbent Taft only carried 2 states and the Progressive candidate Teddy Roosevelt carried six and had MORE popular votes to boot!!

And then................POOOOFFFY Another SWING. It is not hard to see it was North against south that year....

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:53 pm

And the BEAT goes on!!!!!!

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:59 pm

Now this is a close one..........

Too bad Ol Barry didn't get his point across.....

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:00 pm

Election results by county (2008)

But we can go further. We can do the same thing also with the county-level election results and the images are even more striking. Here is a map of US counties, again colored red and blue to indicate Republican and Democratic majorities respectively:

Post by **spot** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:12 am

The key to the switch around is Lyndon Johnson signing the Voting Rights Act. He said at the time that it would destroy the Democrat base in the South for a generation, and he underestimated. The immediate reaction was George Wallace, the long-term reaction was the inability from the mid-sixties until yesterday to vote a Northern Democrat into the White House.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:30 am

BTS;1047338 wrote: Election results by county (2008)

But we can go further. We can do the same thing also with the county-level election results and the images are even more striking. Here is a map of US counties, again colored red and blue to indicate Republican and Democratic majorities respectively:

Looks like all of the Dems are trying to get the hell out! :yh_rotfl...

Post by **spot** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:50 am

K.Snyder;1047397 wrote: Looks like all of the Dems are trying to get the hell out! :yh_rotfl...

I bet the blue bits are where people live and the red bits are open countryside.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:00 am

spot;1047412 wrote: I bet the blue bits are where people live and the red bits are open countryside.

No, the red bits are just where you can buy guns.

The blue bits is where "you" use them!...

:yh_rotfl...

I kid, I kid...

Post by **spot** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:43 am

spot;1046286 wrote: I only want to see one more thing out of that crooked criminal White House and that's George W Bush's presidential pardons as he goes out of the door. It ought to make interesting reading.

It's starting.Senior intelligence officers are lobbying the outgoing president to look after the men and women who could face charges for following his orders in the war on terrorism. Many fear that Barack Obama, who has pledged to close the Guantanamo Bay detention camp and put an end to the policy of extraordinary rendition, could launch a legal witch hunt against those who oversaw the policies after he is sworn in on Jan 20.

Most vulnerable are US intelligence officers who took part in intensive interrogations against terrorist suspects, using techniques including water boarding, which many believe crossed the line into torture. A former CIA officer familiar with the backstage lobbying for pardons, said: "These are the people President Bush asked to fight the war on terror for him. He gave them the green light to fight tough. The view of many in the intelligence community is that he should not leave them vulnerable to legal censure when he leaves. "An effort is under way to get pre-emptive pardons. The White House has indicated that the matter is under consideration."

In addition to frontline CIA and military officers, others at risk could include David Addington, Dick Cheney's former counsel, and William Haynes, the former Pentagon general counsel who helped draw up the regulations governing enhanced interrogations. Many in the Democratic party and human rights groups are calling on President-Elect Obama to tear up Mr Bush's executive orders licensing intensive interrogations on his first day in the Oval Office. They also want an immediate end to rendition, whereby suspects are flown to countries that practise torture. But some in the intelligence community fear that an overhaul of the justice department could embolden those who would like a full-blown investigation of what went on at Guantanamo Bay, with charges to follow for those involved.

George W Bush could pardon spies involved in torture - Telegraph

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:36 am

spot;1046286 wrote: I only want to see one more thing out of that crooked criminal White House and that's George W Bush's presidential pardons as he goes out of the door. It ought to make interesting reading.

spot;1061718 wrote: It's starting.

Senior intelligence officers are lobbying the outgoing president to look after the men and women who could face charges for following his orders in the war on terrorism. Many fear that Barack Obama, who has pledged to close the Guantanamo Bay detention camp and put an end to the policy of extraordinary rendition, could launch a legal witch hunt against those who oversaw the policies after he is sworn in on Jan 20.

Most vulnerable are US intelligence officers who took part in intensive interrogations against terrorist suspects, using techniques including water boarding, which many believe crossed the line into torture. A former CIA officer familiar with the backstage lobbying for pardons, said: "These are the people President Bush asked to fight the war on terror for him. He gave them the green light to fight tough. The view of many in the intelligence community is that he should not leave them vulnerable to legal censure when he leaves. "An effort is under way to get pre-emptive pardons. The White House has indicated that the matter is under consideration."

In addition to frontline CIA and military officers, others at risk could include David Addington, Dick Cheney's former counsel, and William Haynes, the former Pentagon general counsel who helped draw up the regulations governing enhanced interrogations. Many in the Democratic party and human rights groups are calling on President-Elect Obama to tear up Mr Bush's executive orders licensing intensive interrogations on his first day in the Oval Office. They also want an immediate end to rendition, whereby suspects are flown to countries that practise torture. But some in the intelligence community fear that an overhaul of the justice department could embolden those who would like a full-blown investigation of what went on at Guantanamo Bay, with charges to follow for those involved.

George W Bush could pardon spies involved in torture - Telegraph

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... newsletter

Yet presidential pardons have rarely been concentrated in the weeks between Election Day and the inauguration of a new president. There was no precedent for the torrent of irregular grants issued by Bill Clinton on his last day in office, many of which were the product of special pleading by Clinton friends and family.

Historically, pardoning has occurred regularly over the course of a president's term, more frequently in the middle than at either end. The attorney general, custodian of the president's pardon power since before the Civil War, is responsible for ensuring that the process is accessible and disciplined, and that grants are defensible on their merits. The president rarely acts except pursuant to a Justice Department recommendation, which helps ensure that pardons are consistent with his criminal justice agenda.

Bush has kept a low profile in exercising his pardon power. Though a record number of people have applied for pardons and sentence commutations during his presidency, he has issued fewer grants than any other president in the past 100 years -- except for his father.

Post by **spot** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:08 am

Your point invalidates mine? That it'll be interesting to see what slimeballs walk away proofed against prosecution?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:58 am

spot;1062835 wrote: Your point invalidates mine? That it'll be interesting to see what slimeballs walk away proofed against prosecution?
It invalidates nothing, putz. It merely shows the current President's propensity not to use his power of pardon.

Post by **spot** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:03 am

Accountable;1062862 wrote: It invalidates nothing, putz. It merely shows the current President's propensity not to use his power of pardon.My comments have been exclusively about his time remaining, not his time gone, hence the emphasis on "as he goes out of the door" and how it'll be interesting to see who his administration chooses to safeguard.

Post by **spot** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:29 pm

More tasteless abuse of privilege by the dregs of conspicuous consumption queueing behind the White House:

Conrad Black asks George Bush for pardon - Telegraph

Black, 64, is serving a six-and-a-half-year jail term for fraud and obstruction of justice in Coleman, Florida, and has asked the President to free him as one of his last acts before he leaves office in January.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:08 pm

spot;1062835 wrote: Your point invalidates mine? That it'll be interesting to see what slimeballs walk away proofed against prosecution?

Speakin of slimeballs!!!

What about Obama appointing Eric Holder Attorney General and his connection with Marc Rich's pardon?

Talk about slimeballs!

So much for CHANGE

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:16 pm

K.Snyder;1047416 wrote: No, the red bits are just where you can buy guns.

The blue bits is where "you" use them!...

:yh_rotfl...

I kid, I kid...

I use mine in a blue state.....also

Post by **spot** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:08 pm

BTS;1065469 wrote: Speakin of slimeballs!!!

What about Obama appointing Eric Holder Attorney General and his connection with Marc Rich's pardon?

Talk about slimeballs!

So much for CHANGE

You're describing Eric Holder as a slimeball for his intermediary role in the Clinton administration final-day pardon, or are you describing President-elect Obama as a slimeball for offering him the position?

I can't imagine you'll have much to say about any White House decisions over the next few years that's particularly positive, will you. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.