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did you hear that the leader of Iran is thrilled Obama was elected. HUH?? that kind of worries me. ALSO Russia is not going ro PLAY nice. He may his hands filled, If not all ready.
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What's Russia done that's not playing nice?
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spot;1048556 wrote: What's Russia done that's not playing nice? About Georgia. Everyone will be POINTING missiles AGAIN:( Plus detectors and so on:(
Day one: Obama faces a cold war threat and a warning from israel
Either president would have faced the same problems, Obama is not going to get a free ride from America's competitors and its enemies; thats the nature of life. Neither would John McCain.
Also,its important to state that people who think that because John McCain is ex-military and a little more bellicose than Obama means that the Russians or the Iranians would be more "afraid" of him are mistaken, they calculate, and they act or don't as the case may be, its not a playground fight or a shoot-out at a hoe-down. Strength is not based on who shouts loudest.
The question is how will he deal with the issues he confronts, not the precise issues themselves. At the moment he will say nothing as he is not the President and there is no need to play his hand, but I am sure once he is Inaugurated he will have a lot to say and do.
Also,its important to state that people who think that because John McCain is ex-military and a little more bellicose than Obama means that the Russians or the Iranians would be more "afraid" of him are mistaken, they calculate, and they act or don't as the case may be, its not a playground fight or a shoot-out at a hoe-down. Strength is not based on who shouts loudest.
The question is how will he deal with the issues he confronts, not the precise issues themselves. At the moment he will say nothing as he is not the President and there is no need to play his hand, but I am sure once he is Inaugurated he will have a lot to say and do.
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Galbally;1048678 wrote: Either president would have faced the same problems, Obama is not going to get a free ride from America's competitors and its enemies; thats the nature of life. Neither would John McCain.
Also,its important to state that people who think that because John McCain is ex-military and a little more bellicose than Obama means that the Russians or the Iranians would be more "afraid" of him are mistaken, they calculate, and they act or don't as the case may be, its not a playground fight or a shoot-out at a hoe-down. Strength is not based on who shouts loudest.
The question is how will he deal with the issues he confronts, not the precise issues themselves. At the moment he will say nothing as he is not the President and there is no need to play his hand, but I am sure once he is Inaugurated he will have a lot to say and do.
it will a very rough and BUMPY ride. For Obama. Don't envy him;)
Also,its important to state that people who think that because John McCain is ex-military and a little more bellicose than Obama means that the Russians or the Iranians would be more "afraid" of him are mistaken, they calculate, and they act or don't as the case may be, its not a playground fight or a shoot-out at a hoe-down. Strength is not based on who shouts loudest.
The question is how will he deal with the issues he confronts, not the precise issues themselves. At the moment he will say nothing as he is not the President and there is no need to play his hand, but I am sure once he is Inaugurated he will have a lot to say and do.
it will a very rough and BUMPY ride. For Obama. Don't envy him;)
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southern yankee;1048680 wrote: it will a very rough and BUMPY ride. For Obama. Don't envy him;)
He will not get an easy ride with our Prime Minister, Gordon Brown. I think Obama would have got on far better with Tony blair our former PM but Brown is a different breed in my book.
He will not get an easy ride with our Prime Minister, Gordon Brown. I think Obama would have got on far better with Tony blair our former PM but Brown is a different breed in my book.
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oscar;1050199 wrote: He will not get an easy ride with our Prime Minister, Gordon Brown. I think Obama would have got on far better with Tony blair our former PM but Brown is a different breed in my book. meaning?? please explain
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southern yankee;1050213 wrote: meaning?? please explain
Just IMHO, Tony Blair was a lot weaker than Gordon Brown. Blair's critics say he simply followed America into Iraq and America dictated to Blair.
Gordon Brown in a very short time as Prime Minister has achieved a far bit. I believe he has also just done a deal with Saudi Arabia. Brown has put the blue print into action to solve the economic crisis and i believe he will not take kindly to any one becoming a maverick like Bush and ballsing it up fpr everyone else in the west. Gordon Brown has worked incredibly hard to stop Britain going into a recession and his plans seem to be paying off.
There is now the threat to Obama from Russia and the warning from Israel. Obama is going to have to be pretty strong to come to some agreement with Russia about the missiles in Poland whilst also not upsetting Russia's neighbours who are part of the EU as we are.
I can not imagine Gordon Brown backing down to Russia. I could be wrong, he may be able to negotiate some-thing at the EU talks with Russia but if Obama has oppossing police's over the missile shield issue, I can see Brown and Obama falling out.
Just IMHO, Tony Blair was a lot weaker than Gordon Brown. Blair's critics say he simply followed America into Iraq and America dictated to Blair.
Gordon Brown in a very short time as Prime Minister has achieved a far bit. I believe he has also just done a deal with Saudi Arabia. Brown has put the blue print into action to solve the economic crisis and i believe he will not take kindly to any one becoming a maverick like Bush and ballsing it up fpr everyone else in the west. Gordon Brown has worked incredibly hard to stop Britain going into a recession and his plans seem to be paying off.
There is now the threat to Obama from Russia and the warning from Israel. Obama is going to have to be pretty strong to come to some agreement with Russia about the missiles in Poland whilst also not upsetting Russia's neighbours who are part of the EU as we are.
I can not imagine Gordon Brown backing down to Russia. I could be wrong, he may be able to negotiate some-thing at the EU talks with Russia but if Obama has oppossing police's over the missile shield issue, I can see Brown and Obama falling out.
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Day one: Obama faces a cold war threat and a warning from israel
oscar;1050218 wrote: Just IMHO, Tony Blair was a lot weaker than Gordon Brown. Blair's critics say he simply followed America into Iraq and America dictated to Blair.
Gordon Brown in a very short time as Prime Minister has achieved a far bit. I believe he has also just done a deal with Saudi Arabia. Brown has put the blue print into action to solve the economic crisis and i believe he will not take kindly to any one becoming a maverick like Bush and ballsing it up fpr everyone else in the west. Gordon Brown has worked incredibly hard to stop Britain going into a recession and his plans seem to be paying off.
There is now the threat to Obama from Russia and the warning from Israel. Obama is going to have to be pretty strong to come to some agreement with Russia about the missiles in Poland whilst also not upsetting Russia's neighbours who are part of the EU as we are.
I can not imagine Gordon Brown backing down to Russia. I could be wrong, he may be able to negotiate some-thing at the EU talks with Russia but if Obama has oppossing police's over the missile shield issue, I can see Brown and Obama falling out.
Oscar, I have always thought that the Media have either been super-critical or over-fawning about Brown, ever since he was Chancellor. I don't think he is either that bad or that good as a leader, though he certainly is an intelligent and thoughtful man. He has managed to be useful during this financial crisis. Though he also has some significant flaws, one would be in his seeming inability as Prime Minister to inspire a huge amount of confidence in ordinary people, which may be fair or unfair, I don't know.
Though I find his mendacity galling in trying to blame the Americans for everything that going wrong, when in fact a lot of problems in Britain are the result of home-grown decisions on credit availability, mortgage market controls, and generally just following the lead of America on the complete deregulation of the financial system (there are all British decisions). Our politicians are exactly the same, trying to blame everything on the "global" crisis, when in fact a lot of our problems are the direct result of national policies (and the UK and Ireland are by far the most exposed countries in the EU in terms of private debt, and the housing bubbles).
I think also, you are not being realistic about Brown's power to influence events, he can certainly lead by example, and if the British government does things that work well, you can be sure that other European countries in particular will use his ideas, this has already happened with the British bailout scheme, which was widely praised and copied in other EU states. However, its one thing having influence in the EU, where Britain is a major member state, and a significant portion of the European economy, but the yanks are not famous for listening to anyone else's advice when it comes to economics, and they generally percieve us Europeans to be somewhere to the left of Stalin.
There is going to be a meeting in Washington next week to try and bring a new set of rules in for the global financial system, yesterday the EU (including Gordon Brown of course) published a paper on which they will be basing their negotiations with the other world powers about how to re-order global finance. Some very significant changes are going to be proposed, including ending the Dollars reign as the global reserve currency, and the re-institution of the IMF to be less biased towards Western governments. You will quickly find out at that meeting how willing the financial crisis has made the US prepared to listen to other nation's and regions ideas and demands for a better global financial system.
Gordon Brown in a very short time as Prime Minister has achieved a far bit. I believe he has also just done a deal with Saudi Arabia. Brown has put the blue print into action to solve the economic crisis and i believe he will not take kindly to any one becoming a maverick like Bush and ballsing it up fpr everyone else in the west. Gordon Brown has worked incredibly hard to stop Britain going into a recession and his plans seem to be paying off.
There is now the threat to Obama from Russia and the warning from Israel. Obama is going to have to be pretty strong to come to some agreement with Russia about the missiles in Poland whilst also not upsetting Russia's neighbours who are part of the EU as we are.
I can not imagine Gordon Brown backing down to Russia. I could be wrong, he may be able to negotiate some-thing at the EU talks with Russia but if Obama has oppossing police's over the missile shield issue, I can see Brown and Obama falling out.
Oscar, I have always thought that the Media have either been super-critical or over-fawning about Brown, ever since he was Chancellor. I don't think he is either that bad or that good as a leader, though he certainly is an intelligent and thoughtful man. He has managed to be useful during this financial crisis. Though he also has some significant flaws, one would be in his seeming inability as Prime Minister to inspire a huge amount of confidence in ordinary people, which may be fair or unfair, I don't know.
Though I find his mendacity galling in trying to blame the Americans for everything that going wrong, when in fact a lot of problems in Britain are the result of home-grown decisions on credit availability, mortgage market controls, and generally just following the lead of America on the complete deregulation of the financial system (there are all British decisions). Our politicians are exactly the same, trying to blame everything on the "global" crisis, when in fact a lot of our problems are the direct result of national policies (and the UK and Ireland are by far the most exposed countries in the EU in terms of private debt, and the housing bubbles).
I think also, you are not being realistic about Brown's power to influence events, he can certainly lead by example, and if the British government does things that work well, you can be sure that other European countries in particular will use his ideas, this has already happened with the British bailout scheme, which was widely praised and copied in other EU states. However, its one thing having influence in the EU, where Britain is a major member state, and a significant portion of the European economy, but the yanks are not famous for listening to anyone else's advice when it comes to economics, and they generally percieve us Europeans to be somewhere to the left of Stalin.
There is going to be a meeting in Washington next week to try and bring a new set of rules in for the global financial system, yesterday the EU (including Gordon Brown of course) published a paper on which they will be basing their negotiations with the other world powers about how to re-order global finance. Some very significant changes are going to be proposed, including ending the Dollars reign as the global reserve currency, and the re-institution of the IMF to be less biased towards Western governments. You will quickly find out at that meeting how willing the financial crisis has made the US prepared to listen to other nation's and regions ideas and demands for a better global financial system.
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Galbally;1050324 wrote: Oscar, I have always thought that the Media have either been super-critical or over-fawning about Brown, ever since he was Chancellor. I don't think he is either that bad or that good as a leader, though he certainly is an intelligent and thoughtful man. He has managed to be useful during this financial crisis. Though he also has some significant flaws, one would be in his seeming inability as Prime Minister to inspire a huge amount of confidence in ordinary people, which may be fair or unfair, I don't know.
Though I find his mendacity galling in trying to blame the Americans for everything that going wrong, when in fact a lot of problems in Britain are the result of home-grown decisions on credit availability, mortgage market controls, and generally just following the lead of America on the complete deregulation of the financial system (there are all British decisions). Our politicians are exactly the same, trying to blame everything on the "global" crisis, when in fact a lot of our problems are the direct result of national policies (and the UK and Ireland are by far the most exposed countries in the EU in terms of private debt, and the housing bubbles).
I think also, you are not being realistic about Brown's power to influence events, he can certainly lead by example, and if the British government does things that work well, you can be sure that other European countries in particular will use his ideas, this has already happened with the British bailout scheme, which was widely praised and copied in other EU states. However, its one thing having influence in the EU, where Britain is a major member state, and a significant portion of the European economy, but the yanks are not famous for listening to anyone else's advice when it comes to economics, and they generally percieve us Europeans to be somewhere to the left of Stalin.
There is going to be a meeting in Washington next week to try and bring a new set of rules in for the global financial system, yesterday the EU (including Gordon Brown of course) published a paper on which they will be basing their negotiations with the other world powers about how to re-order global finance. Some very significant changes are going to be proposed, including ending the Dollars reign as the global reserve currency, and the re-institution of the IMF to be less biased towards Western governments. You will quickly find out at that meeting how willing the financial crisis has made the US prepared to listen to other nation's and regions ideas and demands for a better global financial system.
I don't believe Gordon Brown has publicaly blamed America for the financial crisis. What he said, was that the Capitalist greed began in America and others followed suit. He is talking about many many years, not just the Bush Administration.
Gordon Brown has just successfully done a deal with Saudi Arabia.
Since he solved the financial crisis in Britain we have seen him get tough with Iceland, with the fuel pumps and we have had a slash in fuel prices. The supermarket giants are entering a bidding row as food prices drop drastically.
Yesterday, it was finally announced that Interest rates fell by 1.5% meaning an average mortage of £150,000 would see big savings monthly to the home owner.
As chancellor, Gordon Brown actually borrowed the least amount of money in the West. The opposition have nothing to offer as an alternative to Brown's package.
Their only way forward would be to reduce borrowing, incurring cutbacks in Health, Education and local services.
You only have to look at the by-election results for Glenrothes to see that Brown beaat the much favoured Scottish national Party just now, and the Tory's actually lost their deposit. Despite the turn-out being low, it is a clear indication that Gordon Brown is able to win a General Election. Labour are constantly gaining on the Torie's in opinion and polls.
You can't get away from the fact that since Blair pissed off and Gordon took over.. things have been on the up here in britain. Something that i haven't seen happening in Ireland.
Love or hate Gordon Brown, no-one can deny that he has shown incredible Leadership this year.
As i have said to gmc before... Yes, he was Chancellor under Blair. No, he did n't have to go along with Blair..he could have resigned. If he did, he could and probably would have, invoked a rebellion. Brown had far more party faithfull than Blair. If Brown resigned, he could have brought down The Labour Government. What use would that be to him???
There is no doubt, that for the two years prior to Blair going, there was a bitter fued between Brown and Blair. What Brown did was self-preservation and any other politician would have done the same.
If he had resigned, short of defecting to the Torie's, he would never have taken over the country. He bided his time and got Blair out.
Gordon Brown has shown that he is not another Blairite. I do not believe that Brown will follow America although there are rumours that Brown will withdraw troops from Iraq. I'll believe it when i hear Gordon brown announce it.
As i said earlier, i think Obama and blair would have got on better than Obama will get on with Brown. Brown does not suffer fools gladly as Iceland found to their cost when brown bankrupted them over-night.
The new Internation banking regulation comittee you are talking of was actually Gordon brown's idea and he raised it initially in talks with Bush weeks ago. the other EU countrie's have just followed him. So, i don't think Brown will be following Obama, not a chance in hell.
Though I find his mendacity galling in trying to blame the Americans for everything that going wrong, when in fact a lot of problems in Britain are the result of home-grown decisions on credit availability, mortgage market controls, and generally just following the lead of America on the complete deregulation of the financial system (there are all British decisions). Our politicians are exactly the same, trying to blame everything on the "global" crisis, when in fact a lot of our problems are the direct result of national policies (and the UK and Ireland are by far the most exposed countries in the EU in terms of private debt, and the housing bubbles).
I think also, you are not being realistic about Brown's power to influence events, he can certainly lead by example, and if the British government does things that work well, you can be sure that other European countries in particular will use his ideas, this has already happened with the British bailout scheme, which was widely praised and copied in other EU states. However, its one thing having influence in the EU, where Britain is a major member state, and a significant portion of the European economy, but the yanks are not famous for listening to anyone else's advice when it comes to economics, and they generally percieve us Europeans to be somewhere to the left of Stalin.
There is going to be a meeting in Washington next week to try and bring a new set of rules in for the global financial system, yesterday the EU (including Gordon Brown of course) published a paper on which they will be basing their negotiations with the other world powers about how to re-order global finance. Some very significant changes are going to be proposed, including ending the Dollars reign as the global reserve currency, and the re-institution of the IMF to be less biased towards Western governments. You will quickly find out at that meeting how willing the financial crisis has made the US prepared to listen to other nation's and regions ideas and demands for a better global financial system.
I don't believe Gordon Brown has publicaly blamed America for the financial crisis. What he said, was that the Capitalist greed began in America and others followed suit. He is talking about many many years, not just the Bush Administration.
Gordon Brown has just successfully done a deal with Saudi Arabia.
Since he solved the financial crisis in Britain we have seen him get tough with Iceland, with the fuel pumps and we have had a slash in fuel prices. The supermarket giants are entering a bidding row as food prices drop drastically.
Yesterday, it was finally announced that Interest rates fell by 1.5% meaning an average mortage of £150,000 would see big savings monthly to the home owner.
As chancellor, Gordon Brown actually borrowed the least amount of money in the West. The opposition have nothing to offer as an alternative to Brown's package.
Their only way forward would be to reduce borrowing, incurring cutbacks in Health, Education and local services.
You only have to look at the by-election results for Glenrothes to see that Brown beaat the much favoured Scottish national Party just now, and the Tory's actually lost their deposit. Despite the turn-out being low, it is a clear indication that Gordon Brown is able to win a General Election. Labour are constantly gaining on the Torie's in opinion and polls.
You can't get away from the fact that since Blair pissed off and Gordon took over.. things have been on the up here in britain. Something that i haven't seen happening in Ireland.
Love or hate Gordon Brown, no-one can deny that he has shown incredible Leadership this year.
As i have said to gmc before... Yes, he was Chancellor under Blair. No, he did n't have to go along with Blair..he could have resigned. If he did, he could and probably would have, invoked a rebellion. Brown had far more party faithfull than Blair. If Brown resigned, he could have brought down The Labour Government. What use would that be to him???
There is no doubt, that for the two years prior to Blair going, there was a bitter fued between Brown and Blair. What Brown did was self-preservation and any other politician would have done the same.
If he had resigned, short of defecting to the Torie's, he would never have taken over the country. He bided his time and got Blair out.
Gordon Brown has shown that he is not another Blairite. I do not believe that Brown will follow America although there are rumours that Brown will withdraw troops from Iraq. I'll believe it when i hear Gordon brown announce it.
As i said earlier, i think Obama and blair would have got on better than Obama will get on with Brown. Brown does not suffer fools gladly as Iceland found to their cost when brown bankrupted them over-night.
The new Internation banking regulation comittee you are talking of was actually Gordon brown's idea and he raised it initially in talks with Bush weeks ago. the other EU countrie's have just followed him. So, i don't think Brown will be following Obama, not a chance in hell.
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