good evening all you FG faithfull who come to kneel at the column of lord grumpy.
the top line says it all with the disgracefull arrest of damian green.
the horrific scenes in Mumbai this week remind us all of the real danger we face in confronting terrorism. This was not just an attack on India and Indians—it was an attack on the modern world and British people too.
But we shouldn’t ignore what’s happened back home. On Thursday, the spokesman on immigration, Damian Green, was arrested and questioned by the police—after he made public information that the government wanted to keep secret from you.
The Prime Minister has simply repeated that he “had no prior knowledge” and this is “a police matter”.
Frankly, that’s not good enough. The question is, does he think it is right for an MP who has apparently done nothing to breach our national security to have his home and office searched by a dozen counter-terrorist police officers, his phone, BlackBerry and computers confiscated, and to be arrested and held for nine hours?
Why is it so important that the Prime Minister tells us what he thinks?
Because people want to know what their political leaders think about the right to vigorous opposition in politics, the right to publish information which is in the public interest, the rights of MPs holding the government to account, and the rights of Parliament itself.
When it comes to vigorous opposition, if this approach had been in place in the 1990s, then Gordon Brown would have spent most of his time under arrest. He made his career from passing on Whitehall leaks.
And he’ll be guilty of hypocrisy if he doesn’t speak out. On the right to publish information in the public interest, people are asking valid questions about where this will all lead.
After all, if they arrest a politician for passing on information, will they next arrest the journalists who publish it?
On the rights of MPs to hold government to account, of course no one is above the law. But in a democracy there is an important line to be drawn when it comes to acting in the public interest.
For example, you have a right to know that the Security Industry Authority had granted licences to 5,000 illegal workers—even if that’s embarrassing to the government.
That’s one of the facts Damian Green made public. And that leads me to the rights of Parliament itself. It’s the Queen’s Speech this week, where we honour the stance made by Speaker Lenthall just before the Civil War in 1642.
Unfortunately we have a government who can cowardly hide behind, "It's in the interest of national security," or the outdated "Official Secrets Act," or "The defense of the Realm Act." Surely if Damian Green has no case to answer he should sue for defamation of character and hurt caused to his family. I'm sure a substantial seven figure payment to the charity of his choice would be welcome, and would show good will and the admittance that a serious mistake had been made and would not be repeated.
AAG
not since stalins russia or hitlers gestapo has the government acted in such an underhand way.
this is another step along the path to labours big brother police state approach spying on every aspect of our lives i.d cards becoming just one aspect.
what sort of country has its customs and revenue and or immigration service grill its citizens on return back to the uk from a shopping trip abroad and automaticly assume just because you brought fags or tobacco this time you brought them last time yet allows illegal immigrants to wander in and out of the country as they please or if they are found in the uk they are not arrested and deported as they should be but told to head for an immigration centre and some times put up for the night by the police in cells.
yet when it comes to deportation they just disapear and no attempt is made to find them unless arrested for a crime.
what sort of country allows council killjoys to ban the union jack or the word christmas in case it offends muslims or other ehnic minorities .
what sort of country bans the robertsons jam gollywog or baa baa black sheep because its not politically correct or teaches children the muslim faith over our own christianity or ensures that ethnic minorities or illegal immigrants are in the front of the queue for everything .
one word LABOUR
i remember when labour was for the working man and i voted labour every time untill teflon tony was elected.
imagine my suprise when he got back in again against the odds when everyone expected a tory landslide victory.
by voting labour you will take us down the road towards a police state.
by the way i wonder how many of those 5,000 licences granted to illegal immigrants where background checked by the security service ?
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pantoandy;1073196 wrote: good evening all you FG faithfull who come to kneel at the column of lord grumpy.
the top line says it all with the disgracefull arrest of damian green.
COLUMN NOT COMPLETE
the horrific scenes in Mumbai this week remind us all of the real danger we face in confronting terrorism. This was not just an attack on India and Indians—it was an attack on the modern world and British people too.
But we shouldn’t ignore what’s happened back home. On Thursday, the spokesman on immigration, Damian Green, was arrested and questioned by the police—after he made public information that the government wanted to keep secret from you.
The Prime Minister has simply repeated that he “had no prior knowledge and this is “a police matter.
Frankly, that’s not good enough. The question is, does he think it is right for an MP who has apparently done nothing to breach our national security to have his home and office searched by a dozen counter-terrorist police officers, his phone, BlackBerry and computers confiscated, and to be arrested and held for nine hours?
Why is it so important that the Prime Minister tells us what he thinks?
Because people want to know what their political leaders think about the right to vigorous opposition in politics, the right to publish information which is in the public interest, the rights of MPs holding the government to account, and the rights of Parliament itself.
When it comes to vigorous opposition, if this approach had been in place in the 1990s, then Gordon Brown would have spent most of his time under arrest. He made his career from passing on Whitehall leaks.
And he’ll be guilty of hypocrisy if he doesn’t speak out. On the right to publish information in the public interest, people are asking valid questions about where this will all lead.
After all, if they arrest a politician for passing on information, will they next arrest the journalists who publish it?
On the rights of MPs to hold government to account, of course no one is above the law. But in a democracy there is an important line to be drawn when it comes to acting in the public interest.
For example, you have a right to know that the Security Industry Authority had granted licences to 5,000 illegal workers—even if that’s embarrassing to the government.
That’s one of the facts Damian Green made public. And that leads me to the rights of Parliament itself. It’s the Queen’s Speech this week, where we honour the stance made by Speaker Lenthall just before the Civil War in 1642.
Unfortunately we have a government who can cowardly hide behind, "It's in the interest of national security," or the outdated "Official Secrets Act," or "The defense of the Realm Act." Surely if Damian Green has no case to answer he should sue for defamation of character and hurt caused to his family. I'm sure a substantial seven figure payment to the charity of his choice would be welcome, and would show good will and the admittance that a serious mistake had been made and would not be repeated.
AAG
not since stalins russia or hitlers gestapo has the government acted in such an underhand way.
this is another step along the path to labours big brother police state approach spying on every aspect of our lives i.d cards becoming just one aspect.
If you're going to quote you should at least give due credit and identify the link.
Shockingly enough I find myself in agreement with you. I'm thinking of swoppng my "I still hate Thatcher " T short for a "Gordon is a moron " one
the top line says it all with the disgracefull arrest of damian green.
COLUMN NOT COMPLETE
the horrific scenes in Mumbai this week remind us all of the real danger we face in confronting terrorism. This was not just an attack on India and Indians—it was an attack on the modern world and British people too.
But we shouldn’t ignore what’s happened back home. On Thursday, the spokesman on immigration, Damian Green, was arrested and questioned by the police—after he made public information that the government wanted to keep secret from you.
The Prime Minister has simply repeated that he “had no prior knowledge and this is “a police matter.
Frankly, that’s not good enough. The question is, does he think it is right for an MP who has apparently done nothing to breach our national security to have his home and office searched by a dozen counter-terrorist police officers, his phone, BlackBerry and computers confiscated, and to be arrested and held for nine hours?
Why is it so important that the Prime Minister tells us what he thinks?
Because people want to know what their political leaders think about the right to vigorous opposition in politics, the right to publish information which is in the public interest, the rights of MPs holding the government to account, and the rights of Parliament itself.
When it comes to vigorous opposition, if this approach had been in place in the 1990s, then Gordon Brown would have spent most of his time under arrest. He made his career from passing on Whitehall leaks.
And he’ll be guilty of hypocrisy if he doesn’t speak out. On the right to publish information in the public interest, people are asking valid questions about where this will all lead.
After all, if they arrest a politician for passing on information, will they next arrest the journalists who publish it?
On the rights of MPs to hold government to account, of course no one is above the law. But in a democracy there is an important line to be drawn when it comes to acting in the public interest.
For example, you have a right to know that the Security Industry Authority had granted licences to 5,000 illegal workers—even if that’s embarrassing to the government.
That’s one of the facts Damian Green made public. And that leads me to the rights of Parliament itself. It’s the Queen’s Speech this week, where we honour the stance made by Speaker Lenthall just before the Civil War in 1642.
Unfortunately we have a government who can cowardly hide behind, "It's in the interest of national security," or the outdated "Official Secrets Act," or "The defense of the Realm Act." Surely if Damian Green has no case to answer he should sue for defamation of character and hurt caused to his family. I'm sure a substantial seven figure payment to the charity of his choice would be welcome, and would show good will and the admittance that a serious mistake had been made and would not be repeated.
AAG
not since stalins russia or hitlers gestapo has the government acted in such an underhand way.
this is another step along the path to labours big brother police state approach spying on every aspect of our lives i.d cards becoming just one aspect.
If you're going to quote you should at least give due credit and identify the link.
Shockingly enough I find myself in agreement with you. I'm thinking of swoppng my "I still hate Thatcher " T short for a "Gordon is a moron " one
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gmc;1073273 wrote: If you're going to quote you should at least give due credit and identify the link.
Shockingly enough I find myself in agreement with you. I'm thinking of swoppng my "I still hate Thatcher " T short for a "Gordon is a moron " one
I'm sure Gordon Brown did not give the direct order. It was probably some faceless no-body in Whitehall. It seems to me that Gordon Brown is always the last to know in these matters. It was also probably down to whispers and rumours circulated by back bench Labour members that got over exaggerated.
However, I'd be surprised if they found absolutely nothing on the guy. They have to now to save face.
Shockingly enough I find myself in agreement with you. I'm thinking of swoppng my "I still hate Thatcher " T short for a "Gordon is a moron " one
I'm sure Gordon Brown did not give the direct order. It was probably some faceless no-body in Whitehall. It seems to me that Gordon Brown is always the last to know in these matters. It was also probably down to whispers and rumours circulated by back bench Labour members that got over exaggerated.
However, I'd be surprised if they found absolutely nothing on the guy. They have to now to save face.
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Peter Lake;1073898 wrote: I'm sure Gordon Brown did not give the direct order. It was probably some faceless no-body in Whitehall. It seems to me that Gordon Brown is always the last to know in these matters. It was also probably down to whispers and rumours circulated by back bench Labour members that got over exaggerated.
However, I'd be surprised if they found absolutely nothing on the guy. They have to now to save face.
That's not really the point. MP's have parliamentary privilege to protect them from being harassed by government and allow them to do their jobs. Thisngoes right to the heart of our democracy. If neither the home secretary or the speaker knew about it it is very serious, if they did they had better have a very good reason for sending in anti-terrorist officers. Mind you GB had been there for quite a while and after Tony got away with lying to the house maybe he thinks he can do whatever he likes.
However, I'd be surprised if they found absolutely nothing on the guy. They have to now to save face.
That's not really the point. MP's have parliamentary privilege to protect them from being harassed by government and allow them to do their jobs. Thisngoes right to the heart of our democracy. If neither the home secretary or the speaker knew about it it is very serious, if they did they had better have a very good reason for sending in anti-terrorist officers. Mind you GB had been there for quite a while and after Tony got away with lying to the house maybe he thinks he can do whatever he likes.