We Won ... The Iraq War Is Over.

Touchstone · Post by **Touchstone** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:31 am

By every measure, The United States and coalition forces have conclusively defeated all enemies in Iraq, pacified the country, deposed the previous regime, successfully helped to establish a new functioning democratic government, and suppressed any lingering insurgencies. The war has come to an end. And we won.

What more indication do you need? An announcement from the outgoing Bush administration? It's not gonna happen. An announcement from the incoming Obama administration? That's really not gonna happen. A declaration of victory by the media? Please. Don't make me laugh. A concession of surrender by what few remaining insurgents remain in hiding? Forget about it.

The moment has come to acknowledge the obvious. To overtly declare a fact that has already been true for quite some time now. Let me repeat:

WE WON THE WAR IN IRAQ

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:34 am

Touchstone;1079798 wrote: By every measure, The United States and coalition forces have conclusively defeated all enemies in Iraq, pacified the country, deposed the previous regime, successfully helped to establish a new functioning democratic government, and suppressed any lingering insurgencies. The war has come to an end. And we won.

What more indication do you need? An announcement from the outgoing Bush administration? It's not gonna happen. An announcement from the incoming Obama administration? That's really not gonna happen. A declaration of victory by the media? Please. Don't make me laugh. A concession of surrender by what few remaining insurgents remain in hiding? Forget about it.

The moment has come to acknowledge the obvious. To overtly declare a fact that has already been true for quite some time now. Let me repeat:

WE WON THE WAR IN IRAQ :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Kindle · Post by **Kindle** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:44 am

Touchstone;1079798 wrote: By every measure, The United States and coalition forces have conclusively defeated all enemies in Iraq, pacified the country, deposed the previous regime, successfully helped to establish a new functioning democratic government, and suppressed any lingering insurgencies. The war has come to an end. And we won.

What more indication do you need? An announcement from the outgoing Bush administration? It's not gonna happen. An announcement from the incoming Obama administration? That's really not gonna happen. A declaration of victory by the media? Please. Don't make me laugh. A concession of surrender by what few remaining insurgents remain in hiding? Forget about it.

The moment has come to acknowledge the obvious. To overtly declare a fact that has already been true for quite some time now. Let me repeat:

WE WON THE WAR IN IRAQ

Are you sure?

Touchstone · Post by **Touchstone** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:52 am

Kindle;1079812 wrote: Are you sure?

Of course not! This is just a ploy to flush out Spot!

(At least you didn't find this thread as hilarious as the previous poster did. But then your an American.)

Ryan.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:52 am

Yeah right :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

We are also withdrawing troops from Iraq. We won the war here in Britain :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:56 am

:yh_rotfl Do I have time to pop some popcorn?? Don't want to miss this.

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Originally Posted by Kindle

Are you sure?

Touchstone posted: Of course not! This is just a ploy to flush out Spot!

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Touchstone · Post by **Touchstone** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:59 am

oscar;1079829 wrote: Yeah right :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

We are also withdrawing troops from Iraq. We won the war here in Britain :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

You do spend quite a lot of time laughing Oscar ... don't you? It is an endearing trait. I to laugh a lot too!

Ryan.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:04 pm

Touchstone;1079835 wrote: You do spend quite a lot of time laughing Oscar ... don't you? It is an endearing trait. I to laugh a lot too!

Ryan.

Take no offence Ryan. Us Brits have been laughing at your foriegn and economic policey for some years now.

We'd like to thankyou for voting for Bush twice as it's given the people of Britain much hilarity over the years.

We can't wait to see what the next one does to screw your country up :yh_rotfl

Touchstone · Post by **Touchstone** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:08 pm

oscar;1079840 wrote: Take no offence Ryan. Us Brits have been laughing at your foriegn and economic policey for some years now.

We'd like to thankyou for voting for Bush twice as it's given the people of Britain much hilarity over the years.

We can't wait to see what the next one does to screw your country up :yh_rotfl

None taken Oscar. Being a journalist I read many many newspapers including those from your country. I have always found something in them to laugh about!

Ryan.

Post by **spot** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:11 pm

Touchstone;1079798 wrote: The moment has come to acknowledge the obvious. To overtly declare a fact that has already been true for quite some time now.If you can find an Iraqi writing that life for the average citizen in Iraq is better now than it was under the previous regime you'd perhaps have a justifiable position.

I can show you the opposite if you like - Iraqis saying that life was better then than now. There are still two million displaced Iraqis living as refugees abroad, for example. Women complain that they can no longer safely work, study or teach as they used to. Secularism in Iraq has disappeared.

Iraqi GNP remains lower than before the war. Public utilities are backward compared to what was provided by the previous regime. More to the point, there's no Iraqi army yet capable of securing the country's borders and until there is there's no independent Iraq.

The minimum distinguishing aspect of a country is control of its own foreign policy and taxation, Iraq lacks both. It's still a dependent territory, it's not a nation.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:23 pm

spot;1079845 wrote: If you can find an Iraqi writing that life for the average citizen in Iraq is better now than it was under the previous regime you'd perhaps have a justifiable position.

I can show you the opposite if you like - Iraqis saying that life was better then than now. There are still two million displaced Iraqis living as refugees abroad, for example. Women complain that they can no longer safely work, study or teach as they used to. Secularism in Iraq has disappeared.

Iraqi GNP remains lower than before the war. Public utilities are backward compared to what was provided by the previous regime. More to the point, there's no Iraqi army yet capable of securing the country's borders and until there is there's no independent Iraq.

The minimum distinguishing aspect of a country is control of its own foreign policy and taxation, Iraq lacks both. It's still a dependent territory, it's not a nation.

Presenting One Spot...Well and Truly Flushed:yh_rotfl

Touchstone · Post by **Touchstone** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:38 pm

spot;1079845 wrote: If you can find an Iraqi writing that life for the average citizen in Iraq is better now than it was under the previous regime you'd perhaps have a justifiable position.

I can show you the opposite if you like - Iraqis saying that life was better then than now. There are still two million displaced Iraqis living as refugees abroad, for example. Women complain that they can no longer safely work, study or teach as they used to. Secularism in Iraq has disappeared.

Iraqi GNP remains lower than before the war. Public utilities are backward compared to what was provided by the previous regime. More to the point, there's no Iraqi army yet capable of securing the country's borders and until there is there's no independent Iraq.

The minimum distinguishing aspect of a country is control of its own foreign policy and taxation, Iraq lacks both. It's still a dependent territory, it's not a nation.

Ah there you are Scrooge! You really had me worried there for a while because I was beginning to think you were ignoring my threads!

So what with this tame response big guy? Wheres the mouth foam ... the anti-American jibes ... the rebuttals?

Tsk tsk ... I am disappointed in you! Could it be that you have mellowed slightly and that you are not as anti-American as you used to be?

Oh no it can't be can it? God forbid that you are actually starting to like me!

Ryan.

Touchstone · Post by **Touchstone** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:42 pm

Chezzie;1079854 wrote: Presenting One Spot...Well and Truly Flushed:yh_rotfl

I love the way you shake your ass Chezzie!

Ryan.

Touchstone · Post by **Touchstone** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:45 pm

Jester;1079865 wrote: :rolleyes:

Hey i thought that was a nice friendly smiling blue face ... but according to these things on the right its called "roll eyes (sarcastic)!

Ryan.

Post by **spot** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:45 pm

The US has won in exactly the same sense that the US won in the South Vietnam war. They're pulling out of a country which hasn't the ability to defend itself.

The US had a choice, at one stage after the invasion, to reinforce its natural ally the Sunni Ba'athists minus their leadership and re-establish them in complete control before withdrawal leaving them with sufficiently potent armed forces for self-defence against external invasion, or to establish a Shia government before leaving. They chose to leave a Shia government, and one with no capability for self-defence.

Would you like my best guess? The Shia Iraqi government will juggle its leadership within two years of being in genuine control of Iraq once the US forces have gone and they'll make an economic and defence treaty, quite likely informally, with Iran. Rapprochement on a major scale, that, and very much in both countries' interests. The parallel with the North Vietnamese takeover of South Vietnam should be obvious enough, this time nobody need fire a shot. You know how you'll be able to tell? The establishment of Sharia courts and a change to the constitution in Iraq. Then you can come back to the thread and explain what winning means after it's happened.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:58 pm

oscar;1079840 wrote: Take no offence Ryan. Us Brits have been laughing at your foriegn and economic policey for some years now.

We'd like to thankyou for voting for Bush twice as it's given the people of Britain much hilarity over the years.

We can't wait to see what the next one does to screw your country up :yh_rotfl

ditto!:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Touchstone · Post by **Touchstone** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:04 pm

spot;1079883 wrote: The US has won in exactly the same sense that the US won in the South Vietnam war. They're pulling out of a country which hasn't the ability to defend itself.

The US had a choice, at one stage after the invasion, to reinforce its natural ally the Sunni Ba'athists minus their leadership and re-establish them in complete control before withdrawal leaving them with sufficiently potent armed forces for self-defence against external invasion, or to establish a Shia government before leaving. They chose to leave a Shia government, and one with no capability for self-defence.

Would you like my best guess? The Shia Iraqi government will juggle its leadership within two years of being in genuine control of Iraq once the US forces have gone and they'll make an economic and defence treaty, quite likely informally, with Iran. Rapprochement on a major scale, that, and very much in both countries' interests. The parallel with the North Vietnamese takeover of South Vietnam should be obvious enough, this time nobody need fire a shot. You know how you'll be able to tell? The establishment of Sharia courts and a change to the constitution in Iraq. Then you can come back to the thread and explain what winning means after it's happened.

Getting better but in my opinion definitely not one of your best rebuttals!

I will most certainly come back to this thread and explain what winning means!

Ryan.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:34 pm

Touchstone;1079915 wrote: Getting better but in my opinion definitely not one of your best rebuttals!

I will most certainly come back to this thread and explain what winning means!

Ryan.

I thought your post was sarcasm but OMG are you really serious??

Do you actually believe you have won in Iraq the same as think you won in Vietnam??

Next, you'll try telling us that you've defeated the Taliban :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:02 pm

Jester;1079956 wrote: Im given you the sarcasm point cuz yer wasiting yer time here talking to socialist europeans that have been beat down so many times they dont know what victory is.

I applaude the try though.

We do have rather a good track recored for actually winning our wars Jester.

We also know a bum deal when we see one, hence our absence in Vietnam.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:50 pm

Jester;1079973 wrote: Well see if you helped in Vietnam maybe we wouldnt have decided to leave. And as I recall you've needed a bit of assitance in the wars you entered in the last 100years.

And dont forget it took just a rag tag army in the 1770's to kick yer butts out of America too.

Over there, Over there- they need help Over there! AGAIN.

You certainly did an enormous amount of fighting in WW II in Europe and helped secure Western Europe against German Facism and Russian Communism thank god. We don't forget that.

Though as I recall in the War of Independence you did actually get quite a lot of help from the French to beat the British {which seems to have been conviniently airbrushed out of modern versions of US history, and the French (and France) has been turned from an ally Republic that always shared the American vision of freedom from tyrants, into a nation of effete traitorous whingers instead}.

General Patton famously remarked in 1944 about how proud he was to help free the French homeland of General Layfayette, who as you know was instrumental in Washington's campaigns against Cornwallis, there is even a street named after him in New York. Or maybe you didn't know that.

Lenn · Post by **Lenn** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:58 pm

It's not true that there are only two options - to win or to be defeated. The combat may be unresolved and this is exactly what is taking place in Iraq.

Post by **spot** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:08 pm

Lenn;1080011 wrote: It's not true that there are only two options - to win or to be defeated. The combat may be unresolved and this is exactly what is taking place in Iraq.

What would your preferred outcome have been, Lenn? How could it have gone better from your point of view?

Lenn · Post by **Lenn** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:26 pm

spot;1080017 wrote: What would your preferred outcome have been, Lenn? How could it have gone better from your point of view?

Actually I cannot answer your question about my preferred outcome, 'cause I have been against this war from day one. I can only suppose that it would have gone better if it had required less victims, less material loss etc., but this is a general statement that can apply to all wars. The problem is this war was not properly justified, from its very beginning. - WMD was not found and it seems it was nothing but a big hoax. Nevertheless, America has shown the enormous power and efficiency of its justice system - performing the capital punishment on totally helpless and weaponless Sadam Hussein. And perhaps this is what they want to show.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:32 pm

Touchstone;1079798 wrote: By every measure, The United States and coalition forces have conclusively defeated all enemies in Iraq, pacified the country, deposed the previous regime, successfully helped to establish a new functioning democratic government, and suppressed any lingering insurgencies. The war has come to an end. And we won.

What more indication do you need? An announcement from the outgoing Bush administration? It's not gonna happen. An announcement from the incoming Obama administration? That's really not gonna happen. A declaration of victory by the media? Please. Don't make me laugh. A concession of surrender by what few remaining insurgents remain in hiding? Forget about it.

The moment has come to acknowledge the obvious. To overtly declare a fact that has already been true for quite some time now. Let me repeat:

WE WON THE WAR IN IRAQ

I am waiting to see the Coalition forces leave Iraq and the country to remain peaceful and stable.

Until that happens I will not acknowledge that the war is over and, given the number of dead civilians caused by the invasion, I would sill argue against the moral validity of the invasion.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:46 pm

Jester;1080067 wrote: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

When the few birts/euros here who bash america constantly get off thier high horse I'll stop being such a jerk about it all.

Bashing American Foreign Policy does not equate to bashing America.

That the Iraq war was illegal and immoral does not stop me liking America and most of the Americans I know.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:50 pm

Jester;1080067 wrote: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

When the few birts/euros here who bash america constantly get off thier high horse I'll stop being such a jerk about it all.

What came first ?

The jerky attitude or the bashing Brits/Europeans......thats a rhetorical question Jester.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:09 pm

Jester;1080082 wrote: Bruv there is more than a fair amount of america bashing here. And I do think this is the first time I've been kind of jerky here.

I have corrected your comment to......

'Bruv there is more than a fair amount of american foriegn policy bashing here.'

The problem is, I believe, American's tend to take things far too personal.........maybe thats why they get bashed so much ?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:17 pm

Jester;1080097 wrote: ah well im sure the way you corrected it makes better sense to you. :rolleyes:

And not to you ?

That is what others have been saying, I just put it my way.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:51 pm

fuzzy butt;1080057 wrote: I see the smirk even if no one else does.

What a slap in the face to every country involved in that war.

Your president and country sat back and couldn't give a **** about what happened in europe and it was only after much consideration that your own president at that time siad he would only help for "purely economic reasons"

do you realise AND YES IT"S IN YOUR ARCHIVES IN A LIBRARY ...GO CHECK that a few congressmen demanded the crown Jewels!!!!!!!! That's not helping that's holding a country to ransome and blackmail. but America recieved "IN GIFTS" almost everything else . And all you did was send two outdated destoyers to a place way out of the way of the initial fighting!!!! and sat back and said "we're helping" Get your head out of those stupid propaganda american war books and read something of substance.

Oh yeah That's really helping and heartfelt!!!!!!!

The Brits were the bravest people of all in that war how dare you mock them !!!!!

You think you just came in and all was well? you've been watching too many John Wayne movies!!!!!! there were so many underground armies that the US now likes to call INSURGENTS that without them you and others wouldn't have had a damn snowflakes hope in hell of getting through to germany . They won the war not America, like all your damned movies say .

You think because you helped that you won a war? Everyone is indebted to you .??? Australia sent more men per capita during both wars to help fight with our allies do you see us saying WE WON THE WAR CAUSE WE HELPED?

america has dragged too many countries into war at a whim ................Maybe your allies should be saying that they won in Iraq because without them America wouldn't have had a chance!!! A couple of buildings get blown up and America screams "help us help us" like a little girl !!!! Britain was in total turmoil almost bombed out of existence during WW11 and you guys sat back and watched after repeated cries for help .

dont you go bloody tootin your fricken horn because it would be very easy to embarrass you with your own literature, records, speeches, and reasons for War held in your own libraries and archives!!!!

When I was in America I made a point of going to every library I could because the first one I went to didn't have any books on Vietnam...............WHY? so I made a point in going to others............Same deal !!!! What's wrong? didn't you like the

outcome of that "police action"?

but you insult everyone in the world with this?

you disgust me.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You havent won a War here you just successfully raped a country .

Cup of tea Fuzzy???

Seriously... After Jester's post that Britain needed America's help to winour wars, off i went to get my history books out and you and gallbladder have beaten me to it.

Great post Fuzzy but haven't you forgotten that in Hollywood, Tom Cruise beat the 'Luftwaffe' single handed while we were all in bed :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:57 pm

Jester;1079973 wrote: Well see if you helped in Vietnam maybe we wouldnt have decided to leave. .

AGAIN.

Sorry, did i mis-read that?? YOU needed OUR help in Vietnam??????

That's your excuse for a totally flawed **** up is it?? The Brits never showed up

-1

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:07 pm

Jester;1080067 wrote: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

When the few birts/euros here who bash america constantly get off thier high horse I'll stop being such a jerk about it all.

:yh_ttth:yh_ttth:yh_ttth:yh_ttth

I have made a lot of friends here from America. I have also spent my life thinking nothing but good of America for your 'help' during the wars because my parents actually knew American troops stationed here.

I never thought i would say this Jester and i say it without any offence to any other Fg memeber from America because they are not like you.

You single-handedly have made me hate America and i now agree with the rest of the world that you must be the most hated nation in this world.

If there is another war Jester...Your on your own. See how many you win then now your Presidents are the laughing stock of the world, your greedy capitalism and subsequent collapse of your economy is the laughing stock of the world and your foriegn policy is the laughing stock of the world. :yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:15 pm

Jester;1080141 wrote: Now thats funny! :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Did you stomp yer foot too?

If there is another war we can just nuke'em. Since we don't have any friends left to worry about fallout over.

My country is not the laughing stock of the world.......Yours is.

Let's see the news just over the past few weeks shall we??

Israel warns America

Russia threatens America

Pakistan warns America

India warns America

Iran warns America

Al-Quaeda warns America

China's growing economy slides after America's economic collapse

I don't see any warnings to my prime minister or any threats..... Just to yours

So yes, it is bloody funny :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl