It's been announced today that British Troops will be out by June next year seeing the end of British presence in Iraq.
British troops 'will finally pull out of Iraq by next summer' | Mail Online
The British will hand over all control to America.
Now call me an old cynic, but is this not a wee bit canny of our Great Leader Gordon Brown?
Withdraw, hand over to America and then blame them for the entire thing.
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Just one last request.
Can't we leave Prince Harry out there????
Can't we leave Prince Harry out there????
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Why British troops were ever in Iraq is the question that British people have to ask themselves.
Few people in Britain (unlike the US) now doubt that this was an unjust war fought on a premise that was a lie and had nothing to do with the September 11th attacks on America or the so called "war on terror" (unlike Afganistan). To me it seems it was a score settling exercise by the Bush administration on a country that was seen to offer a target of convienience to a wounded superpower. The British were there because of their continuing belief that the interests of the UK revolve around this "special relationship" with America.
I would question that premise, and think its got a lot to do with the continuing British inability to recover emotionally from WW 2. In any case, most ordinary Americans don't even seem to realize or care less thousands of Brits have fought in Iraq, and that hundreds of British servicemen have died fighting in this war. Thats gratitude for you. "Special Relationship" my arse.
However, there is no point blaming America or George Bush for the fact that the British Army was involved in this military debacle, and utterly immoral militarist adventure. That was the decision of the British Government alone and the one most responsible for that decision was the "Right Honourable" Tony Blair MP.
Gordon Brown is about second on that list, but I agree with Oscar that he has been trying to redeem his image on this since he became PM, too late Gordon, too late.
The political, economic, and human costs of this war will only really be realized in the coming years. The greatest cost will be the damage it has done to the moral integrity of the Western Democracies; whatever hawks might like to think.
Its as simple as this, the US and the UK should be utterly ashamed of the enormous human carnage they have wrought in Iraq with this ridiculous, futile, and unnecessary war (reported like it was a video game); and we all know it. For shame.
I have no doubt that history will not judge any of the leaders involved very kindly.
Few people in Britain (unlike the US) now doubt that this was an unjust war fought on a premise that was a lie and had nothing to do with the September 11th attacks on America or the so called "war on terror" (unlike Afganistan). To me it seems it was a score settling exercise by the Bush administration on a country that was seen to offer a target of convienience to a wounded superpower. The British were there because of their continuing belief that the interests of the UK revolve around this "special relationship" with America.
I would question that premise, and think its got a lot to do with the continuing British inability to recover emotionally from WW 2. In any case, most ordinary Americans don't even seem to realize or care less thousands of Brits have fought in Iraq, and that hundreds of British servicemen have died fighting in this war. Thats gratitude for you. "Special Relationship" my arse.
However, there is no point blaming America or George Bush for the fact that the British Army was involved in this military debacle, and utterly immoral militarist adventure. That was the decision of the British Government alone and the one most responsible for that decision was the "Right Honourable" Tony Blair MP.
Gordon Brown is about second on that list, but I agree with Oscar that he has been trying to redeem his image on this since he became PM, too late Gordon, too late.
The political, economic, and human costs of this war will only really be realized in the coming years. The greatest cost will be the damage it has done to the moral integrity of the Western Democracies; whatever hawks might like to think.
Its as simple as this, the US and the UK should be utterly ashamed of the enormous human carnage they have wrought in Iraq with this ridiculous, futile, and unnecessary war (reported like it was a video game); and we all know it. For shame.
I have no doubt that history will not judge any of the leaders involved very kindly.
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Galbally;1082391 wrote: Why British troops were ever in Iraq is the question that British people have to ask themselves.
Few people in Britain (unlike the US) now doubt that this was an unjust war fought on a premise that was a lie and had nothing to do with the September 11th attacks on America or the so called "war on terror" (unlike Afganistan). To me it seems it was a score settling exercise by the Bush administration on a country that was seen to offer a target of convienience to a wounded superpower. The British were there because of their continuing belief that the interests of the UK revolve around this "special relationship" with America.
I would question that premise, and think its got a lot to do with the continuing British inability to recover emotionally from WW 2. In any case, most ordinary Americans don't even seem to realize or care less thousands of Brits have fought in Iraq, and that hundreds of British servicemen have died fighting in this war. Thats gratitude for you. "Special Relationship" my arse.
However, there is no point blaming America or George Bush for the fact that the British Army was involved in this military debacle, and utterly immoral militarist adventure. That was the decision of the British Government alone and the one most responsible for that decision was the "Right Honourable" Tony Blair MP.
Gordon Brown is about second on that list, but I agree with Oscar that he has been trying to redeem his image on this since he became PM, too late Gordon, too late.
The political, economic, and human costs of this war will only really be realized in the coming years. The greatest cost will be the damage it has done to the moral integrity of the Western Democracies; whatever hawks might like to think.
Its as simple as this, the US and the UK should be utterly ashamed of the enormous human carnage they have wrought in Iraq with this ridiculous, futile, and unnecessary war (reported like it was a video game); and we all know it. For shame.
I have no doubt that history will not judge any of the leaders involved very kindly.
WTF 's going on here??
First Oscar agree's with Jester
Then Oscar agree's with pantoandy
Now Oscar agree's with galbally
It only needs Oscar to agree with gmc and i shall be seeking pyschiatric help.
The only part i dis-agree with dr gallbladder is that i don't believe Gordon Brown is doing this to redeem his image. I think more public pressure. Not because us Brit's actually as a main care about our troops out there but as we are a selfish bunch, we much rather the money was invested back into our own economy to get us through the slump.
There is no doubt now that the history books will write this chapter up at the feet of the Judas (I promise you people of Great Britain, Iraq has weapons of mass destruction) Tony Blair. If all else fails, us British will do what we have been doing for centurie's and that is to just blame America for the whole shooting match.
In reply to Scrat... I think you are absolutely correct in that our troops will be deployed into Afghanistan. I read a report recently here that it was the intention to boost military presence out there against the Taliban
Few people in Britain (unlike the US) now doubt that this was an unjust war fought on a premise that was a lie and had nothing to do with the September 11th attacks on America or the so called "war on terror" (unlike Afganistan). To me it seems it was a score settling exercise by the Bush administration on a country that was seen to offer a target of convienience to a wounded superpower. The British were there because of their continuing belief that the interests of the UK revolve around this "special relationship" with America.
I would question that premise, and think its got a lot to do with the continuing British inability to recover emotionally from WW 2. In any case, most ordinary Americans don't even seem to realize or care less thousands of Brits have fought in Iraq, and that hundreds of British servicemen have died fighting in this war. Thats gratitude for you. "Special Relationship" my arse.
However, there is no point blaming America or George Bush for the fact that the British Army was involved in this military debacle, and utterly immoral militarist adventure. That was the decision of the British Government alone and the one most responsible for that decision was the "Right Honourable" Tony Blair MP.
Gordon Brown is about second on that list, but I agree with Oscar that he has been trying to redeem his image on this since he became PM, too late Gordon, too late.
The political, economic, and human costs of this war will only really be realized in the coming years. The greatest cost will be the damage it has done to the moral integrity of the Western Democracies; whatever hawks might like to think.
Its as simple as this, the US and the UK should be utterly ashamed of the enormous human carnage they have wrought in Iraq with this ridiculous, futile, and unnecessary war (reported like it was a video game); and we all know it. For shame.
I have no doubt that history will not judge any of the leaders involved very kindly.
WTF 's going on here??
First Oscar agree's with Jester
Then Oscar agree's with pantoandy
Now Oscar agree's with galbally
It only needs Oscar to agree with gmc and i shall be seeking pyschiatric help.
The only part i dis-agree with dr gallbladder is that i don't believe Gordon Brown is doing this to redeem his image. I think more public pressure. Not because us Brit's actually as a main care about our troops out there but as we are a selfish bunch, we much rather the money was invested back into our own economy to get us through the slump.
There is no doubt now that the history books will write this chapter up at the feet of the Judas (I promise you people of Great Britain, Iraq has weapons of mass destruction) Tony Blair. If all else fails, us British will do what we have been doing for centurie's and that is to just blame America for the whole shooting match.
In reply to Scrat... I think you are absolutely correct in that our troops will be deployed into Afghanistan. I read a report recently here that it was the intention to boost military presence out there against the Taliban
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
British Troops Out of Iraq by June next year
Galbally;1082391 wrote: Why British troops were ever in Iraq is the question that British people have to ask themselves.
Few people in Britain (unlike the US) now doubt that this was an unjust war fought on a premise that was a lie and had nothing to do with the September 11th attacks on America or the so called "war on terror" (unlike Afganistan). To me it seems it was a score settling exercise by the Bush administration on a country that was seen to offer a target of convienience to a wounded superpower. The British were there because of their continuing belief that the interests of the UK revolve around this "special relationship" with America.
I would question that premise, and think its got a lot to do with the continuing British inability to recover emotionally from WW 2. In any case, most ordinary Americans don't even seem to realize or care less thousands of Brits have fought in Iraq, and that hundreds of British servicemen have died fighting in this war. Thats gratitude for you. "Special Relationship" my arse.
However, there is no point blaming America or George Bush for the fact that the British Army was involved in this military debacle, and utterly immoral militarist adventure. That was the decision of the British Government alone and the one most responsible for that decision was the "Right Honourable" Tony Blair MP.
Gordon Brown is about second on that list, but I agree with Oscar that he has been trying to redeem his image on this since he became PM, too late Gordon, too late.
The political, economic, and human costs of this war will only really be realized in the coming years. The greatest cost will be the damage it has done to the moral integrity of the Western Democracies; whatever hawks might like to think.
Its as simple as this, the US and the UK should be utterly ashamed of the enormous human carnage they have wrought in Iraq with this ridiculous, futile, and unnecessary war (reported like it was a video game); and we all know it. For shame.
I have no doubt that history will not judge any of the leaders involved very kindly.
The British were there because of their continuing belief that the interests of the UK revolve around this "special relationship" with America.
the belief in a special relationship is a figment of a politicians imagination and remarkably one sided IMO. It ties in to the equally absurd belief that we can still stand alone and not need to be part of the EEC.
However, there is no point blaming America or George Bush for the fact that the British Army was involved in this military debacle, and utterly immoral militarist adventure. That was the decision of the British Government alone and the one most responsible for that decision was the "Right Honourable" Tony Blair MP.
Parliament is sovereign in this country, under thatcher and now new labour they have forgotten their role and the fact they have the power not the PM. Blair and brown could have been stopped at any time. Our politicians are a useless bunch, most of them couldn't hold down a normal job.
Gordon Brown is about second on that list, but I agree with Oscar that he has been trying to redeem his image on this since he became PM, too late Gordon, too late.
Despite what the odd daily mail reader may believe most people know only too well gordon' brown's culpability in all this.
I would question that premise, and think its got a lot to do with the continuing British inability to recover emotionally from WW 2. In any case, most ordinary Americans don't even seem to realize or care less thousands of Brits have fought in Iraq, and that hundreds of British servicemen have died fighting in this war. Thats gratitude for you. "Special Relationship" my arse.
Special Relationship" my arse.
:yh_rotfl eloquently put.
WW2 was three generations ago so I don't think you have a valid point there. Some among our politicians still have delusions of us being a great power with a part to play-ordinary people can't be arsed with that.
I suspect most ordinary americans don't know any other nation was involved in fighting the germans and the japanese or that they didn't join in until half way through.
Few people in Britain (unlike the US) now doubt that this was an unjust war fought on a premise that was a lie and had nothing to do with the September 11th attacks on America or the so called "war on terror" (unlike Afganistan). To me it seems it was a score settling exercise by the Bush administration on a country that was seen to offer a target of convienience to a wounded superpower. The British were there because of their continuing belief that the interests of the UK revolve around this "special relationship" with America.
I would question that premise, and think its got a lot to do with the continuing British inability to recover emotionally from WW 2. In any case, most ordinary Americans don't even seem to realize or care less thousands of Brits have fought in Iraq, and that hundreds of British servicemen have died fighting in this war. Thats gratitude for you. "Special Relationship" my arse.
However, there is no point blaming America or George Bush for the fact that the British Army was involved in this military debacle, and utterly immoral militarist adventure. That was the decision of the British Government alone and the one most responsible for that decision was the "Right Honourable" Tony Blair MP.
Gordon Brown is about second on that list, but I agree with Oscar that he has been trying to redeem his image on this since he became PM, too late Gordon, too late.
The political, economic, and human costs of this war will only really be realized in the coming years. The greatest cost will be the damage it has done to the moral integrity of the Western Democracies; whatever hawks might like to think.
Its as simple as this, the US and the UK should be utterly ashamed of the enormous human carnage they have wrought in Iraq with this ridiculous, futile, and unnecessary war (reported like it was a video game); and we all know it. For shame.
I have no doubt that history will not judge any of the leaders involved very kindly.
The British were there because of their continuing belief that the interests of the UK revolve around this "special relationship" with America.
the belief in a special relationship is a figment of a politicians imagination and remarkably one sided IMO. It ties in to the equally absurd belief that we can still stand alone and not need to be part of the EEC.
However, there is no point blaming America or George Bush for the fact that the British Army was involved in this military debacle, and utterly immoral militarist adventure. That was the decision of the British Government alone and the one most responsible for that decision was the "Right Honourable" Tony Blair MP.
Parliament is sovereign in this country, under thatcher and now new labour they have forgotten their role and the fact they have the power not the PM. Blair and brown could have been stopped at any time. Our politicians are a useless bunch, most of them couldn't hold down a normal job.
Gordon Brown is about second on that list, but I agree with Oscar that he has been trying to redeem his image on this since he became PM, too late Gordon, too late.
Despite what the odd daily mail reader may believe most people know only too well gordon' brown's culpability in all this.
I would question that premise, and think its got a lot to do with the continuing British inability to recover emotionally from WW 2. In any case, most ordinary Americans don't even seem to realize or care less thousands of Brits have fought in Iraq, and that hundreds of British servicemen have died fighting in this war. Thats gratitude for you. "Special Relationship" my arse.
Special Relationship" my arse.
:yh_rotfl eloquently put.
WW2 was three generations ago so I don't think you have a valid point there. Some among our politicians still have delusions of us being a great power with a part to play-ordinary people can't be arsed with that.
I suspect most ordinary americans don't know any other nation was involved in fighting the germans and the japanese or that they didn't join in until half way through.
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gmc;1082833 wrote:
Despite what the odd daily mail reader may believe most people know only too well gordon' brown's culpability in all this.
:yh_rotfl eloquently put.
WW2 was three generations ago so I don't think you have a valid point there. Some among out politicians still have delusions of us being a great power with a part to play-ordinary people can't be arsed with that.
I suspect most ordinary americans don't know any other nation was involved in fighting the germans and the japanese or that they didn't join in until half way through.
First paragraph.... tut tut gmc
Given some of the posts from the 'perv' Touchstone on America winning the Iraq war, when i was down the British Legion a few nights ago with the old troops, i sarcastically said to the Colonel 'Of course, we would never have won if it wasn't for America'
First came the look :yh_rotfl
Then probably the greatest reply i have ever heard. He said 'We gave them two bugle calls. We won't be making it a third!!:yh_rotfl
Despite what the odd daily mail reader may believe most people know only too well gordon' brown's culpability in all this.
:yh_rotfl eloquently put.
WW2 was three generations ago so I don't think you have a valid point there. Some among out politicians still have delusions of us being a great power with a part to play-ordinary people can't be arsed with that.
I suspect most ordinary americans don't know any other nation was involved in fighting the germans and the japanese or that they didn't join in until half way through.
First paragraph.... tut tut gmc
Given some of the posts from the 'perv' Touchstone on America winning the Iraq war, when i was down the British Legion a few nights ago with the old troops, i sarcastically said to the Colonel 'Of course, we would never have won if it wasn't for America'
First came the look :yh_rotfl
Then probably the greatest reply i have ever heard. He said 'We gave them two bugle calls. We won't be making it a third!!:yh_rotfl
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Galbally;1082391 wrote: Why British troops were ever in Iraq is the question that British people have to ask themselves.
Few people in Britain (unlike the US) now doubt that this was an unjust war fought on a premise that was a lie and had nothing to do with the September 11th attacks on America or the so called "war on terror" (unlike Afganistan).......
The political, economic, and human costs of this war will only really be realized in the coming years. The greatest cost will be the damage it has done to the moral integrity of the Western Democracies; whatever hawks might like to think.
Its as simple as this, the US and the UK should be utterly ashamed of the enormous human carnage they have wrought in Iraq with this ridiculous, futile, and unnecessary war (reported like it was a video game); and we all know it. For shame.
I have no doubt that history will not judge any of the leaders involved very kindly.
As usual Gal, a masterly summing up.
I do find it difficult to understand though, why the American people appear to have retreated so readily into a siege mentality.
Few people in Britain (unlike the US) now doubt that this was an unjust war fought on a premise that was a lie and had nothing to do with the September 11th attacks on America or the so called "war on terror" (unlike Afganistan).......
The political, economic, and human costs of this war will only really be realized in the coming years. The greatest cost will be the damage it has done to the moral integrity of the Western Democracies; whatever hawks might like to think.
Its as simple as this, the US and the UK should be utterly ashamed of the enormous human carnage they have wrought in Iraq with this ridiculous, futile, and unnecessary war (reported like it was a video game); and we all know it. For shame.
I have no doubt that history will not judge any of the leaders involved very kindly.
As usual Gal, a masterly summing up.
I do find it difficult to understand though, why the American people appear to have retreated so readily into a siege mentality.
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Bryn Mawr;1082972 wrote:
I do find it difficult to understand though, why the American people appear to have retreated so readily into a siege mentality.
But then......you are not a psychiatrist
I do find it difficult to understand though, why the American people appear to have retreated so readily into a siege mentality.
But then......you are not a psychiatrist
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1083038 wrote: But then......you are not a psychiatrist
True, just an observer of people - that lack of qualification does not stop me trying to understand causes though.
True, just an observer of people - that lack of qualification does not stop me trying to understand causes though.