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Well here goes! What are your opinions of the woman out in Texas camped out at the end of the Prez. driveway? I told my husband if she was not so far away I would join her. He says she a kook and she ought to go home. I don't think anyone who loves their son who has been killed and is trying to make a statement without guns or a lot of yelling and screaming is right on. Every time I hear on the news of more of our men and women being murdered over their, my heart breaks for their families. I proud of them for believing that they are doing the right thing by going over there but I really feel that they have been brain washed. There are a lot of young Bush"s but haven't heard of a one of them in the service.
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Bridget wrote: Well here goes! What are your opinions of the woman out in Texas camped out at the end of the Prez. driveway? I told my husband if she was not so far away I would join her. He says she a kook and she ought to go home. I don't think anyone who loves their son who has been killed and is trying to make a statement without guns or a lot of yelling and screaming is right on. Every time I hear on the news of more of our men and women being murdered over their, my heart breaks for their families. I proud of them for believing that they are doing the right thing by going over there but I really feel that they have been brain washed. There are a lot of young Bush"s but haven't heard of a one of them in the service. :-3
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Id bring you crackers and cheese
maybe some rasberry lemonade
thats all I can commit to right now
maybe some rasberry lemonade
thats all I can commit to right now
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I think she's a woman who isn't handling her grief very well. Her son, an adult, made a choice and was proud to be there and I'm proud of all our men and women there. IMO she's being used by both political factions and the MSM. It's a shame. Her life, as she knew it, is falling apart. I hope that she is able to handle it when she's not in the lime light anymore and starts addressing the real issue...her loss and how to keep going.
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Nomad wrote: Id bring you crackers and cheese
maybe some rasberry lemonade
thats all I can commit to right now
heck of a kind gesture noman and I would accept graciously
maybe some rasberry lemonade
thats all I can commit to right now
heck of a kind gesture noman and I would accept graciously
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I am SOOO going to regret jumping into this thread...
The man made a choice. He chose to be a soldier. Soldiers die.
Sure, I can sympathize with a mother, being one myself. But seriously folks, she's not going to get anywhere with this protest. I do agree with her right to do it, but don't agree with her view.
Far the only part of your statement that I can disagree with is the part about the President's home. Become President, expect to give up all rights to privacy. A public servant is what he is, after all.
The man made a choice. He chose to be a soldier. Soldiers die.
Sure, I can sympathize with a mother, being one myself. But seriously folks, she's not going to get anywhere with this protest. I do agree with her right to do it, but don't agree with her view.
Far the only part of your statement that I can disagree with is the part about the President's home. Become President, expect to give up all rights to privacy. A public servant is what he is, after all.
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ubetta wrote: I think she's a woman who isn't handling her grief very well. Her son, an adult, made a choice and was proud to be there and I'm proud of all our men and women there. IMO she's being used by both political factions and the MSM. It's a shame. Her life, as she knew it, is falling apart. I hope that she is able to handle it when she's not in the lime light anymore and starts addressing the real issue...her loss and how to keep going.
I agree, she's using her new found 15 minutes of fame to distract her from the real issue. How to handle the acceptance of her son's death. She's acting like she's the only mother that lost a son in this war, and that seemingly she cares more than the other mothers. It's unfair to the other mothers that are greiving just as much as her, but remain in the background honoring their fallen sons.
I agree, she's using her new found 15 minutes of fame to distract her from the real issue. How to handle the acceptance of her son's death. She's acting like she's the only mother that lost a son in this war, and that seemingly she cares more than the other mothers. It's unfair to the other mothers that are greiving just as much as her, but remain in the background honoring their fallen sons.
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I think that as a mother, knowing what it feels like to lose a son in a senseless war, she is hoping that other parents won't have to feel the loss she has. We're losing more and more men and women every day. They're are fathers, mothers, sons, brothers. And for what? I would stand proudly next to her.
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Peg wrote: We're losing more and more men and women every day. They're are fathers, mothers, sons, brothers. And for what? I would stand proudly next to her.
"And for what?"
I am not sure why Peg..... Ask the ones that are there or those who have been there. BUTT I know you only want to see and hear thre bad things going on over there. But remember this and put it in your pipe....................OK
If we loose over there ............... they will be knockin at your door..............
WHO????????????? you might ask.
HMMM you tell me who it might be.
And it ain't the IRS...........
And didn't her son volunteer.......... Could be wrong and ol Bush grabbed his ass and sent him there?
"And for what?"
I am not sure why Peg..... Ask the ones that are there or those who have been there. BUTT I know you only want to see and hear thre bad things going on over there. But remember this and put it in your pipe....................OK
If we loose over there ............... they will be knockin at your door..............
WHO????????????? you might ask.
HMMM you tell me who it might be.
And it ain't the IRS...........
And didn't her son volunteer.......... Could be wrong and ol Bush grabbed his ass and sent him there?
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Far Rider wrote: I fully respect her right to protest, I fully disagree with her statement.
My problem is shes outside a mans home, does not matter his station or standing in life, it does not belong in front of his home. That to me is too personal.
Her son joined of his own accord being of the legal age to do so. In my opinion she dishonors him by protesting what he believed in.
My father disagrees with any war regardless of who it protects or harms, and I was a career soldier, yet I'd never disagree with him at his dinner table no matter what my opinion is.
Theres a proper place for protestors and protesting. And thats my opinion on it.
He was not of legal age to join up. She had to sign a release for him to join.
and if it were me...'
when my surviving son tells me that he wants me to come home, that he needs me; i would drop everything and go. I already lost one son, i couldn't survive knowing i lost the other.
and when my spouse files for divorce and has a courrier send me the papers, that would be my wake-up call. "my family needs me. I'm going home now."
Besides she already met with Bush,Jr once. why does she need to see him again?
why didn't she get all this C-R-A-P, because that's what it is, off her chest then???
My problem is shes outside a mans home, does not matter his station or standing in life, it does not belong in front of his home. That to me is too personal.
Her son joined of his own accord being of the legal age to do so. In my opinion she dishonors him by protesting what he believed in.
My father disagrees with any war regardless of who it protects or harms, and I was a career soldier, yet I'd never disagree with him at his dinner table no matter what my opinion is.
Theres a proper place for protestors and protesting. And thats my opinion on it.
He was not of legal age to join up. She had to sign a release for him to join.
and if it were me...'
when my surviving son tells me that he wants me to come home, that he needs me; i would drop everything and go. I already lost one son, i couldn't survive knowing i lost the other.
and when my spouse files for divorce and has a courrier send me the papers, that would be my wake-up call. "my family needs me. I'm going home now."
Besides she already met with Bush,Jr once. why does she need to see him again?
why didn't she get all this C-R-A-P, because that's what it is, off her chest then???
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flopstock wrote: . He died to preserve that right for all americans presumably.
right! he signed up. he volunteered
he wasn't randomly picked out of a classroom and told to go.
right! he signed up. he volunteered
he wasn't randomly picked out of a classroom and told to go.
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flopstock wrote: So what? So every other american has the right to protest in a peaceful manner except those whose children volunteered and died to preserve that right? Is that what you are trying to tell me here? :-2
no. i think that she is having some serious guilt issues. she signed the release to let him go. she's probably thinking that if she hadn't, he might still be here. or he might have been crossing the street and got hit by a bus. you never know. but when "You" sign up for military duty, "you" have to understand that there is a possibility that you're not coming back.
and her protest isn't that peaceful. they can't get within 2 miles of the ranch. so they are all camped out in and around G.Dubya's neighbors' land. that has to be rather disrupting and distracting.
i have no problem with protestors. I have a problem when they go to someone's PRIVATE residence to do so.
she has made her point. she is upset by the death of her son. and she doesn't care for the war. got it. thanks.
go home.
no. i think that she is having some serious guilt issues. she signed the release to let him go. she's probably thinking that if she hadn't, he might still be here. or he might have been crossing the street and got hit by a bus. you never know. but when "You" sign up for military duty, "you" have to understand that there is a possibility that you're not coming back.
and her protest isn't that peaceful. they can't get within 2 miles of the ranch. so they are all camped out in and around G.Dubya's neighbors' land. that has to be rather disrupting and distracting.
i have no problem with protestors. I have a problem when they go to someone's PRIVATE residence to do so.
she has made her point. she is upset by the death of her son. and she doesn't care for the war. got it. thanks.
go home.
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flopstock wrote: except that it's not a private residence. He's the president of the united states and he conducts the business of the country from there every summer.
she's not alone you know. Even though the press is zeroed in on her at the moment. She and others feel betrayed because of what we were told we were going to war for and what turned out to be wrong information. their sons and daughters died . And they are protesting in the hopes of keeping another parent from having to go through what they are presently. I have to respect that, even if I don't agree with it. They aren't protesting the soldiers actions, they are protesting the reasoning behind our soldiers being in harms way. As Americans, they have to be allowed to do it.
Just about every man woman and teenager across the country wanted to sign up after 911. It bothers me more and each time someone is labeled a traitor or unamerican for disagreeing with the official stance. A stance I generally agree with. That's not the way we are supposed to be. That's not what our children are fighting and dying for.
I'm sure you're right and she does feel guilty. That's her job, as a mother. To feel that if she had only done something, anything..this would not have happened to her son. But she can't change that. So, she's opting to try and keep the next son or daughter from dying. Using peaceful protest. Here in America.
I don't see his ranch as being a viable place to protest. he owned it before being president and he will own it after. i don't know how else to convey what i am trying to say.
have you been to any airport recently, D? i was in Omaha a few months back picking up a buddy just coming back from the sandbox. people were harassing him and his whole platoon. asking how he could go over there for the wrong reasons. he simply replied, "its my job."
of all the pissing and moaning i have heard and read about this Fouled up war, the majority of it has been directed at the troops. at least that's what i have interpreted.
that's why david813 and i went rounds.
i am just tired of hearing about her. like you said, there are hundreds of other parents down there with her. and i am sure their stories are very similar. Just like the parents of those who died in Somalia, the Gulf War, Grenada, in Panama when we went after Noriega. Like those who died in Vietnam, Korea, and WWII.
war sucks. people die in wars. there is NO WAY to avoid it.
what i don't understand, is why i should feel bad about wanting revenge for what happened on 9/11. people saying that "they" were justified in their actions.
Well i am justified in wanting to see our troops kick their A$$ES!!
she's not alone you know. Even though the press is zeroed in on her at the moment. She and others feel betrayed because of what we were told we were going to war for and what turned out to be wrong information. their sons and daughters died . And they are protesting in the hopes of keeping another parent from having to go through what they are presently. I have to respect that, even if I don't agree with it. They aren't protesting the soldiers actions, they are protesting the reasoning behind our soldiers being in harms way. As Americans, they have to be allowed to do it.
Just about every man woman and teenager across the country wanted to sign up after 911. It bothers me more and each time someone is labeled a traitor or unamerican for disagreeing with the official stance. A stance I generally agree with. That's not the way we are supposed to be. That's not what our children are fighting and dying for.
I'm sure you're right and she does feel guilty. That's her job, as a mother. To feel that if she had only done something, anything..this would not have happened to her son. But she can't change that. So, she's opting to try and keep the next son or daughter from dying. Using peaceful protest. Here in America.
I don't see his ranch as being a viable place to protest. he owned it before being president and he will own it after. i don't know how else to convey what i am trying to say.
have you been to any airport recently, D? i was in Omaha a few months back picking up a buddy just coming back from the sandbox. people were harassing him and his whole platoon. asking how he could go over there for the wrong reasons. he simply replied, "its my job."
of all the pissing and moaning i have heard and read about this Fouled up war, the majority of it has been directed at the troops. at least that's what i have interpreted.
that's why david813 and i went rounds.
i am just tired of hearing about her. like you said, there are hundreds of other parents down there with her. and i am sure their stories are very similar. Just like the parents of those who died in Somalia, the Gulf War, Grenada, in Panama when we went after Noriega. Like those who died in Vietnam, Korea, and WWII.
war sucks. people die in wars. there is NO WAY to avoid it.
what i don't understand, is why i should feel bad about wanting revenge for what happened on 9/11. people saying that "they" were justified in their actions.
Well i am justified in wanting to see our troops kick their A$$ES!!
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No disrespect intended, but everyone knows (or will know) what it is like to lose someone close. It's not 'special' for a mother. I know it's hard to believe that, but I really wish people would lose this...as a mother...thing that is being used as an excuse for her behavior and inability to deal with her grief. I'm a mother too. I wouldn't be standing next to her because it means jack that she's out there. If she really wanted to effect change, she would be running for office, giving lectures, speaking with her senator and local reps, etc., and actually speaking about FACTS instead of feelings and inuendos, blaming everyone and anyone for a decision that her adult son made.
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Wolverine wrote: I don't see his ranch as being a viable place to protest. he owned it before being president and he will own it after. i don't know how else to convey what i am trying to say.
have you been to any airport recently, D? i was in Omaha a few months back picking up a buddy just coming back from the sandbox. people were harassing him and his whole platoon. asking how he could go over there for the wrong reasons. he simply replied, "its my job."
of all the pissing and moaning i have heard and read about this Fouled up war, the majority of it has been directed at the troops. at least that's what i have interpreted.
that's why david813 and i went rounds.
i am just tired of hearing about her. like you said, there are hundreds of other parents down there with her. and i am sure their stories are very similar. Just like the parents of those who died in Somalia, the Gulf War, Grenada, in Panama when we went after Noriega. Like those who died in Vietnam, Korea, and WWII.
war sucks. people die in wars. there is NO WAY to avoid it.
what i don't understand, is why i should feel bad about wanting revenge for what happened on 9/11. people saying that "they" were justified in their actions.
Well i am justified in wanting to see our troops kick their A$$ES!!
I have to agree with Wolv, terrorists started this war on 911, and no, they were "not justified" in doing so. (They have to be killed, before they kill us!)
Iraq has been known to aide, & give sanction to terrorists, even produce them. Our brave fighting Service Men & women are keeping the majority of those terrorists having to fight over "there", rather then letting them come "here"! So bringing the troops home before "our" military experts believe it's the correct time, would endanger our Homeland, "more than it already is"!! Does Sheehen know better than our military experts, or is she just greiving (understandably) and letting her emotions control her judgement?
have you been to any airport recently, D? i was in Omaha a few months back picking up a buddy just coming back from the sandbox. people were harassing him and his whole platoon. asking how he could go over there for the wrong reasons. he simply replied, "its my job."
of all the pissing and moaning i have heard and read about this Fouled up war, the majority of it has been directed at the troops. at least that's what i have interpreted.
that's why david813 and i went rounds.
i am just tired of hearing about her. like you said, there are hundreds of other parents down there with her. and i am sure their stories are very similar. Just like the parents of those who died in Somalia, the Gulf War, Grenada, in Panama when we went after Noriega. Like those who died in Vietnam, Korea, and WWII.
war sucks. people die in wars. there is NO WAY to avoid it.
what i don't understand, is why i should feel bad about wanting revenge for what happened on 9/11. people saying that "they" were justified in their actions.
Well i am justified in wanting to see our troops kick their A$$ES!!
I have to agree with Wolv, terrorists started this war on 911, and no, they were "not justified" in doing so. (They have to be killed, before they kill us!)
Iraq has been known to aide, & give sanction to terrorists, even produce them. Our brave fighting Service Men & women are keeping the majority of those terrorists having to fight over "there", rather then letting them come "here"! So bringing the troops home before "our" military experts believe it's the correct time, would endanger our Homeland, "more than it already is"!! Does Sheehen know better than our military experts, or is she just greiving (understandably) and letting her emotions control her judgement?
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Yes she has a right to protest, to grieve, to do all she is doing, even in front of Bush's private residence ... even front of Bush's bathroom door while he's trying to take a moment to read a children's book on the toilet.
What chaps my ass is that the media leaves out a minor detail: He already met with her!! If they would only use one little word - "again" - when reporting her pleas to meet with him, it would take the air out of the protestors' sails. Unfortunately, the media would rather fan the flames of a good story for the ratings rather than really tell the truth.
What chaps my ass is that the media leaves out a minor detail: He already met with her!! If they would only use one little word - "again" - when reporting her pleas to meet with him, it would take the air out of the protestors' sails. Unfortunately, the media would rather fan the flames of a good story for the ratings rather than really tell the truth.
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Accountable wrote: Yes she has a right to protest, to grieve, to do all she is doing, even in front of Bush's private residence ... even front of Bush's bathroom door while he's trying to take a moment to read a children's book on the toilet.
What chaps my ass is that the media leaves out a minor detail: He already met with her!! If they would only use one little word - "again" - when reporting her pleas to meet with him, it would take the air out of the protestors' sails. Unfortunately, the media would rather fan the flames of a good story for the ratings rather than really tell the truth.
AMEN!
What chaps my ass is that the media leaves out a minor detail: He already met with her!! If they would only use one little word - "again" - when reporting her pleas to meet with him, it would take the air out of the protestors' sails. Unfortunately, the media would rather fan the flames of a good story for the ratings rather than really tell the truth.
AMEN!
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Far Rider wrote: Flop I respect you, your a class act and I typically agree with you. Granted he is the prez and he does conduct business 24/7. however I still feel his personal residence is off limits to protestors. Hes on vacation for petes sake?
Disagree on both counts. The president is not really on vacation. If he were, the VP would be in charge.
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I would guess I feel for the poor woman who lost her son. I also am a little peeved at the political entites that have certainly highjacked her one-woman campaign and turned it into a media circus.
Whatever it started out as, it's very different now.
Will the President meet with her? Well, he already has! so I'm kind of wondering why she wants to meet again. I guess she didn't get the answer she wanted, so she thinks that by badgering the President, she can get him to change his mind. Sorry, that won't work.
As for the War....my only reaction is that I hope it serves to get the Democrats back in power. At least when they were running things, gas was cheap and jobs were plentiful.
Whatever it started out as, it's very different now.
Will the President meet with her? Well, he already has! so I'm kind of wondering why she wants to meet again. I guess she didn't get the answer she wanted, so she thinks that by badgering the President, she can get him to change his mind. Sorry, that won't work.
As for the War....my only reaction is that I hope it serves to get the Democrats back in power. At least when they were running things, gas was cheap and jobs were plentiful.
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Far Rider wrote: I still feel his personal residence is off limits to protestors.
And I'll go even further...I feel like ANYONE's home is off limits to protesting. Americans love their privacy. Without your home, you have no safe place anywhere. How would you feel if protesters were out on your lawn?
My one exception to this rule is child molesters. Not being human, they don't get human considerations from me.
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And I'll go even further...I feel like ANYONE's home is off limits to protesting. Americans love their privacy. Without your home, you have no safe place anywhere. How would you feel if protesters were out on your lawn?
My one exception to this rule is child molesters. Not being human, they don't get human considerations from me.
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Vacaville News wrote: Vacaville, CA
June 24, 2004
Since learning in April that their son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, had been killed in Iraq, life has been everything but normal for the Sheehan family of Vacaville.
Casey's parents, Cindy and Patrick, as well as their three children, have attended event after event honoring the soldier both locally and abroad, received countless letters of support and fielded questions from reporters across the country.
"That's the way our whole lives have been since April 4," Patrick said. "It's been surreal."
But none of that prepared the family for the message left on their answering machine last week, inviting them to have a face-to-face meeting with President George W. Bush at Fort Lewis near Seattle.
Surreal soon seemed like an understatement, as the Sheehans - one of 17 families who met Thursday with Bush - were whisked in a matter of days to the Army post and given the VIP treatment from the military. But as their meeting with the president approached, the family was faced with a dilemma as to what to say when faced with Casey's commander-in-chief.
"We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled," Cindy said. "The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached."
The 10 minutes of face time with the president could have given the family a chance to vent their frustrations or ask Bush some of the difficult questions they have been asking themselves, such as whether Casey's sacrifice would make the world a safer place.
But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act. In addition, Pat noted that Bush wasn't stumping for votes or trying to gain a political edge for the upcoming election.
"We have a lot of respect for the office of the president, and I have a new respect for him because he was sincere and he didn't have to take the time to meet with us," Pat said.
Sincerity was something Cindy had hoped to find in the meeting. Shortly after Casey died, Bush sent the family a form letter expressing his condolences, and Cindy said she felt it was an impersonal gesture.
"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," Cindy said after their meeting. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith."
The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.
While meeting with Bush, as well as Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, was an honor, it was almost a tangent benefit of the trip. The Sheehans said they enjoyed meeting the other families of fallen soldiers, sharing stories, contact information, grief and support.
For some, grief was still visceral and raw, while for others it had melted into the background of their lives, the pain as common as breathing. Cindy said she saw her reflection in the troubled eyes of each.
"It's hard to lose a son," she said. "But we (all) lost a son in the Iraqi war."
The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.
For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.
For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.
"That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together," Cindy said.
Vacaville News wrote: Vacaville, CA
June 24, 2004
Since learning in April that their son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, had been killed in Iraq, life has been everything but normal for the Sheehan family of Vacaville.
Casey's parents, Cindy and Patrick, as well as their three children, have attended event after event honoring the soldier both locally and abroad, received countless letters of support and fielded questions from reporters across the country.
"That's the way our whole lives have been since April 4," Patrick said. "It's been surreal."
But none of that prepared the family for the message left on their answering machine last week, inviting them to have a face-to-face meeting with President George W. Bush at Fort Lewis near Seattle.
Surreal soon seemed like an understatement, as the Sheehans - one of 17 families who met Thursday with Bush - were whisked in a matter of days to the Army post and given the VIP treatment from the military. But as their meeting with the president approached, the family was faced with a dilemma as to what to say when faced with Casey's commander-in-chief.
"We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled," Cindy said. "The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached."
The 10 minutes of face time with the president could have given the family a chance to vent their frustrations or ask Bush some of the difficult questions they have been asking themselves, such as whether Casey's sacrifice would make the world a safer place.
But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act. In addition, Pat noted that Bush wasn't stumping for votes or trying to gain a political edge for the upcoming election.
"We have a lot of respect for the office of the president, and I have a new respect for him because he was sincere and he didn't have to take the time to meet with us," Pat said.
Sincerity was something Cindy had hoped to find in the meeting. Shortly after Casey died, Bush sent the family a form letter expressing his condolences, and Cindy said she felt it was an impersonal gesture.
"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," Cindy said after their meeting. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith."
The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.
While meeting with Bush, as well as Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, was an honor, it was almost a tangent benefit of the trip. The Sheehans said they enjoyed meeting the other families of fallen soldiers, sharing stories, contact information, grief and support.
For some, grief was still visceral and raw, while for others it had melted into the background of their lives, the pain as common as breathing. Cindy said she saw her reflection in the troubled eyes of each.
"It's hard to lose a son," she said. "But we (all) lost a son in the Iraqi war."
The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.
For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.
For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.
"That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together," Cindy said.
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flopstock wrote: Aren't you the little pisser:rolleyes:
yes. yes i am.:sneaky:
but that is not the point. that whole thing at the end of my post was me ranting.
had absolutely nothing to do with the thread or topic. sorry.
yes. yes i am.:sneaky:
but that is not the point. that whole thing at the end of my post was me ranting.
had absolutely nothing to do with the thread or topic. sorry.
Get your mind out of the gutter - it's blocking my view
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flopstock wrote: It means jack to you that she's out there, it doesn't mean jack to her. And you're right she shouldn't get special treatment. But at the same time , the fact of her grief- can not be used to negate her right to protest.
Instead of arguing whether or not the woman has a right to be out there protesting, I personally think someone should be looking at what she has had to say. That's what I don't get in all of this. Someone -somewhere needs to have the balls to lay out the variety of views she has had in the last few years. You need a governmental BTS.
But whether I agree with her or not, she absolutely should have the right of peaceful protest.
No where have I said she didn't have the 'right' to protest. It is, in my opinion, an exercise in futility. I stated my reasons why I wouldn't be stand beside her and what alternatives are.
As for the 'balls' to lay out the variety of views she has, well, from what I'm reading, rather than sounding intelligent, offering solutions and having full knowledge of what is going on over there, here or anywhere, she sounds like a raving lunatic. Her irrational personal attacks on the Prez is doing nothing, again, IMO, to further her cause or make her case. This whole thing with the crosses on the road...come on. No, I wouldn't stand with her.
Instead of arguing whether or not the woman has a right to be out there protesting, I personally think someone should be looking at what she has had to say. That's what I don't get in all of this. Someone -somewhere needs to have the balls to lay out the variety of views she has had in the last few years. You need a governmental BTS.
But whether I agree with her or not, she absolutely should have the right of peaceful protest.
No where have I said she didn't have the 'right' to protest. It is, in my opinion, an exercise in futility. I stated my reasons why I wouldn't be stand beside her and what alternatives are.
As for the 'balls' to lay out the variety of views she has, well, from what I'm reading, rather than sounding intelligent, offering solutions and having full knowledge of what is going on over there, here or anywhere, she sounds like a raving lunatic. Her irrational personal attacks on the Prez is doing nothing, again, IMO, to further her cause or make her case. This whole thing with the crosses on the road...come on. No, I wouldn't stand with her.
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nvalleyvee wrote: I did not read the entire thread - my SIL goes to Iraq in less than a month - My heart is sad
I wish her the very best and my thoughts go with her. Please thank her for her service. And my thanks to your family.
I wish her the very best and my thoughts go with her. Please thank her for her service. And my thanks to your family.
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ubetta wrote: I wish her the very best and my thoughts go with her. Please thank her for her service. And my thanks to your family.
oh SIL =Sister-in-law.
i thought it was Son-in-Law
oh SIL =Sister-in-law.
i thought it was Son-in-Law
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Wolverine wrote: oh SIL =Sister-in-law.
i thought it was Son-in-Law
Well now that you point that out, could be, lol. Gee..there I go assuming again!
Which ever family member it is...thank them for their service.
i thought it was Son-in-Law
Well now that you point that out, could be, lol. Gee..there I go assuming again!
Which ever family member it is...thank them for their service.
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ubetta wrote: Well now that you point that out, could be, lol. Gee..there I go assuming again!
Which ever family member it is...thank them for their service.
yes indeed. thankyou.
well not you. him or her. oh, you know what i mean.
Which ever family member it is...thank them for their service.
yes indeed. thankyou.
well not you. him or her. oh, you know what i mean.
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Wolverine wrote: yes indeed. thankyou.
well not you. him or her. oh, you know what i mean.
Oh boy...you and I are going to make one hell of a pair. :yh_rotfl
well not you. him or her. oh, you know what i mean.
Oh boy...you and I are going to make one hell of a pair. :yh_rotfl
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ubetta wrote: Oh boy...you and I are going to make one hell of a pair. :yh_rotfl
should be interesting. Mountain Dew hasn't kicked in yet.
oh hey, welcome to the Garden!
should be interesting. Mountain Dew hasn't kicked in yet.
oh hey, welcome to the Garden!
Get your mind out of the gutter - it's blocking my view
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I really don't want to interrupt the timing, but I found this from when I first got here in May:
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My son-in-law is going to Iraq on 9/11.
nvalleyvee wrote:
My son-in-law is going to Iraq on 9/11.
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Wolverine wrote: yes. yes i am.:sneaky:
but that is not the point. that whole thing at the end of my post was me ranting.
had absolutely nothing to do with the thread or topic. sorry.
I thought you were a little pisser but I couldnt be sure....didnt want to come right out and ask. I myself come from a long line of little pissers and hope one day to have a little pisser of my own.
but that is not the point. that whole thing at the end of my post was me ranting.
had absolutely nothing to do with the thread or topic. sorry.
I thought you were a little pisser but I couldnt be sure....didnt want to come right out and ask. I myself come from a long line of little pissers and hope one day to have a little pisser of my own.
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I personally would do the same thing. In this case. This war isn't for our freedom, isn't for anything, anymore. He lost his life for nothing. Our millitary was not built for otheres, it built to liberate and protect us, from the very people were protecting. It's kind of like an oxymoran. This is how I feel about the war:-5 . If my son was there and died for no reason, you bet I be right on Bushes from stoop.
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Well, here's my two cents worth.
I agree with her right to peacefully protest and the location of this protest is not of importance. This is America and the President, with all due respect, is a public servant and elected official. What she has down has brought out to the public and presidential eye that not all Americans are behind this war. I am with her in spirit.
I believe this terrorist threat is real, but it is a global threat. To zero in on one country and send our soldiers there to risk their lives is not fighting this threat effectivley. All nations need to pull together and come up with a global defense to fight this abomination. In other words, new and different tactics need to applied. Does the actual combat situation exist today? We are dealing with a new kind of enemy and need to realize this.
Also, I feel our National Guard should be here at home. We need them here to help us Americans with our terrorist threat, and also with the natural disasters that have occured. All countries need to have their own National Guards firmly implanted in their own home countries. All these various National Guards should be under an international alliance and cooperate together in this "War on Terrorism".
Soldiers are just people who are answering a call to do what they feel is right. I am behind our American soldiers and proud of them. But, I don't want any more to die over there. Many of us Americans are just getting impatient and remember Viet Nam.
I believe the Iraqi people want their own country back and want the power to have a part of the process of building it back up themselves. With the good, the bad, and the ugly, it's called National Pride. For a people to feel helpless and dependant on others is not a good thing. In our country, it was the Revolutionary War.
Allright, allright.....I'm off my little soapbox now..............:yh_flag
I agree with her right to peacefully protest and the location of this protest is not of importance. This is America and the President, with all due respect, is a public servant and elected official. What she has down has brought out to the public and presidential eye that not all Americans are behind this war. I am with her in spirit.
I believe this terrorist threat is real, but it is a global threat. To zero in on one country and send our soldiers there to risk their lives is not fighting this threat effectivley. All nations need to pull together and come up with a global defense to fight this abomination. In other words, new and different tactics need to applied. Does the actual combat situation exist today? We are dealing with a new kind of enemy and need to realize this.
Also, I feel our National Guard should be here at home. We need them here to help us Americans with our terrorist threat, and also with the natural disasters that have occured. All countries need to have their own National Guards firmly implanted in their own home countries. All these various National Guards should be under an international alliance and cooperate together in this "War on Terrorism".
Soldiers are just people who are answering a call to do what they feel is right. I am behind our American soldiers and proud of them. But, I don't want any more to die over there. Many of us Americans are just getting impatient and remember Viet Nam.
I believe the Iraqi people want their own country back and want the power to have a part of the process of building it back up themselves. With the good, the bad, and the ugly, it's called National Pride. For a people to feel helpless and dependant on others is not a good thing. In our country, it was the Revolutionary War.
Allright, allright.....I'm off my little soapbox now..............:yh_flag
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kmhowe72 wrote: I personally would do the same thing. In this case. This war isn't for our freedom, isn't for anything, anymore. He lost his life for nothing. Our millitary was not built for otheres, it built to liberate and protect us, from the very people were protecting. It's kind of like an oxymoran. This is how I feel about the war:-5 . If my son was there and died for no reason, you bet I be right on Bushes from stoop.
Please tell me this is written from complete and utter ignorance of the military; that you have never had any friend, family member, or close aquaintance affiliated with the Department of Defense.
Please?
Please tell me this is written from complete and utter ignorance of the military; that you have never had any friend, family member, or close aquaintance affiliated with the Department of Defense.
Please?
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If you all will note the title of this thread was "Standing up for what you believe"
I believe she has a right to stand there if she did not the presidents guards would send her running. She knows her rights. True she hasn't gotten into the deep meaning of what the war stands for or against. But I think she has been succesfull because she has made us all stop and think how we really feel about the war. I was of the uinderstanding our troops were sent to Afganistan to capture Osana Ben Lauden. Didn't happen. So to save face he moved them across the border because of false reports of powers of mass destruction. So we bombed hell out of their country. OBL is still out heckling us. We have completley destroyed Iraq which was not totally innocent but did they deserve to have their lives totally torn up because we had a blister on our butt. In the mean while our service people are being murdered in retalation by the iraq people. Our country is going to hell in a hand basket financially because of the cost of the war. OH yeah its keeping the jobless rate down, inflation has not zoomed skyward like Greenspan feared, but us tax payers are footing the bill both morally and financially for his mistaken ideals that we could bomb and bloom. Eisenhower brought the troops home from the Korean war, was it Reagan or Nixon who ended the Vietnam war? Do we need to wait til a new president comes into office to end this discusting war in Iraq?
I believe she has a right to stand there if she did not the presidents guards would send her running. She knows her rights. True she hasn't gotten into the deep meaning of what the war stands for or against. But I think she has been succesfull because she has made us all stop and think how we really feel about the war. I was of the uinderstanding our troops were sent to Afganistan to capture Osana Ben Lauden. Didn't happen. So to save face he moved them across the border because of false reports of powers of mass destruction. So we bombed hell out of their country. OBL is still out heckling us. We have completley destroyed Iraq which was not totally innocent but did they deserve to have their lives totally torn up because we had a blister on our butt. In the mean while our service people are being murdered in retalation by the iraq people. Our country is going to hell in a hand basket financially because of the cost of the war. OH yeah its keeping the jobless rate down, inflation has not zoomed skyward like Greenspan feared, but us tax payers are footing the bill both morally and financially for his mistaken ideals that we could bomb and bloom. Eisenhower brought the troops home from the Korean war, was it Reagan or Nixon who ended the Vietnam war? Do we need to wait til a new president comes into office to end this discusting war in Iraq?
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[QUOTE=Bridget]If you all will note the title of this thread was "Standing up for what you believe"
I believe she has a right to stand there if she did not the presidents guards would send her running. She knows her rights. True she hasn't gotten into the deep meaning of what the war stands for or against. But I think she has been succesfull because she has made us all stop and think how we really feel about the war. I was of the uinderstanding our troops were sent to Afganistan to capture Osana Ben Lauden. Didn't happen. So to save face he moved them across the border because of false reports of powers of mass destruction. So we bombed hell out of their country. OBL is still out heckling us. We have completley destroyed Iraq which was not totally innocent but did they deserve to have their lives totally torn up because we had a blister on our butt. In the mean while our service people are being murdered in retalation by the iraq people. Our country is going to hell in a hand basket financially because of the cost of the war. OH yeah its keeping the jobless rate down, inflation has not zoomed skyward like Greenspan feared, but us tax payers are footing the bill both morally and financially for his mistaken ideals that we could bomb and bloom. Eisenhower brought the troops home from the Korean war, was it Reagan or Nixon who ended the Vietnam war? Do we need to wait till a new President comes into office to end this discusting war in Iraq?[/QUOTE]
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Yes that is what I going to post earlier, if Bush does not bring our troops home during his Presidecy, (I sincerely hope he does) then the war will most definetly end in 2009. When the new President takes over in 2008 & is in power for a few months. :-2 (It most likely will become a platform for the new candidates to advocate)
I believe she has a right to stand there if she did not the presidents guards would send her running. She knows her rights. True she hasn't gotten into the deep meaning of what the war stands for or against. But I think she has been succesfull because she has made us all stop and think how we really feel about the war. I was of the uinderstanding our troops were sent to Afganistan to capture Osana Ben Lauden. Didn't happen. So to save face he moved them across the border because of false reports of powers of mass destruction. So we bombed hell out of their country. OBL is still out heckling us. We have completley destroyed Iraq which was not totally innocent but did they deserve to have their lives totally torn up because we had a blister on our butt. In the mean while our service people are being murdered in retalation by the iraq people. Our country is going to hell in a hand basket financially because of the cost of the war. OH yeah its keeping the jobless rate down, inflation has not zoomed skyward like Greenspan feared, but us tax payers are footing the bill both morally and financially for his mistaken ideals that we could bomb and bloom. Eisenhower brought the troops home from the Korean war, was it Reagan or Nixon who ended the Vietnam war? Do we need to wait till a new President comes into office to end this discusting war in Iraq?[/QUOTE]
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Yes that is what I going to post earlier, if Bush does not bring our troops home during his Presidecy, (I sincerely hope he does) then the war will most definetly end in 2009. When the new President takes over in 2008 & is in power for a few months. :-2 (It most likely will become a platform for the new candidates to advocate)
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