Is Gordon Brown doing a good job as Prime Minister of The United Kingdom??

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:09 pm

It's been just over a year now since The Cabinet voted out Tony Blair and Voted in Gordon Brown. It's time to be honest about what Brown has done in the past year. Let it all out here and i promise Oscar won't mind.

Place your votes and views folks

Is Gordon Brown doing a good job as the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom?

Come on America, we want to hear from you as well.

Chookie · Post by **Chookie** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:40 pm

Hell no.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:41 pm

Well my Chris has been made redundant a couple of weeks ago and prob will never be able to get another job.He also has to go into hospital next week because of an op that went gone wrong he had 18 months ago and has been bleeding since and he has had to wait all this time.So great Xmas in store.Electric has got so expensive that many elderly people are worried about keeping warm and the 250 heating allowance isnt the answer......so let people make their own mind up.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:48 pm

3 NO

0 YES

It's ok folks, oscar is calm... Any more???

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:09 pm

no no no nonononononononononononono

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:11 pm

el guapo;1082963 wrote: no no no nonononononononononononono

I expected nothing else from you my little one votor of Tory.

OSCAR VOTES YES

4 NO

1 YES

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:23 pm

My family always voted Labour but its not the Labour they knew and would be turning in their graves if they could see whats going on now.....but what is the answer......all they do is tell us things we want to hear then get in power and all goes out the window and also seem to think they can get away with things that us paying their wages have no right to moan about.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:36 pm

Carolly;1082975 wrote: My family always voted Labour but its not the Labour they knew and would be turning in their graves if they could see whats going on now.....but what is the answer......all they do is tell us things we want to hear then get in power and all goes out the window and also seem to think they can get away with things that us paying their wages have no right to moan about.

I do agree Carolly and for once, i shall be serious.

I was a member of the Labour Party for years subscribing funds by direct debit.

A year ago i cancelled my Party membership. Dissallusioned with the lying, cheating, back-stabbing Tony Blair. The geezer Brown had only been in no 10 for a short while and i too thougt,' Yep, he's no better'.

A year later, i still have not rushed out and re-newed my party membership and infact, i will be spending much time helping a new Junior Conservative oust our Local Labour MP in the next election. That sounds mad i know but it is what is best for our constituancy and community that counts here and our Labour MP of 19 yrs is a Tosser. I have spent a lot of time with this Junior Tory MP of late and i truelly believe he genuinely has the good of our constituancy at heart. I agree with much of what he is oppossing round here. Give him 5 years, he'll be the same as the rest but at the moment, he is the best choice for my home town.

Back to Gordon, if it were a vote on Leader and not constituancy candidates, i would vote Gordon straight out.

I do believe he has achieved a great deal in the past year. I could extol his policy but i won't bore you. just the recent announcement that our troops will be out of Iraq by June will earn him massive support.

I have looked at what Brown has done for this country in the past year, not what he did under Blair. I just can't see any other party offering anything better.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:41 pm

oscar;1082988 wrote: I do agree Carolly and for once, i shall be serious.

I was a member of the Labour Party for years subscribing funds by direct debit.

A year ago i cancelled my Party membership. Dissallusioned with the lying, cheating, back-stabbing Tony Blair. The geezer Brown had only been in no 10 for a short while and i too thougt,' Yep, he's no better'.

A year later, i still have not rushed out and re-newed my party membership and infact, i will be spending much time helping a new Junior Conservative oust our Local Labour MP in the next election. That sounds mad i know but it is what is best for our constituancy and community that counts here and our Labour MP of 19 yrs is a Tosser. I have spent a lot of time with this Junior Tory MP of late and i truelly believe he genuinely has the good of our constituancy at heart. I agree with much of what he is oppossing round here. Give him 5 years, he'll be the same as the rest but at the moment, he is the best choice for my home town.

Back to Gordon, if it were a vote on Leader and not constituancy candidates, i would vote Gordon straight out.

I do believe he has achieved a great deal in the past year. I could extol his policy but i won't bore you. just the recent announcement that our troops will be out of Iraq by June will earn him massive support.

I have looked at what Brown has done for this country in the past year, not what he did under Blair. I just can't see any other party offering anything better.Now Im totally confused.......do you or do you not support Brown

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:24 pm

In answer I will simply post this story from the Times of London, about the already apparent effects of the current strategy of the British Government, I think the quote from the German finance minister about current UK policy should be enough to make people in the UK thing long and hard of what the long-term consequences for the UK could be if the current strategy fails, as a fellow EU politican would never be so blunt unless he though the situation merited it.

Banks under the cosh as £1 tumbles towards â‚¬1

Gary Duncan, Economics Editor and Philip Webster, Political Editor

The pound is on the verge of parity with the euro as concerns grow over the state of the British economy.

With sterling slumping yesterday to its lowest level yet, £1 was buying just â‚¬1.03 at a bureau de change near the Eurostar terminus in London – meaning that an â‚¬80 meal for two in Paris now costs more than £77, compared with less than £59 a year ago.

Ministers were piling pressure on the banks to increase lending before a meeting with the banking industry today. Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, held out the prospect of wider taxpayer guarantees beyond the £100 billion already subscribed, but only if there were an absolute assurance that more loans would be made available to families and businesses.

He was speaking after an angry Commons clash between Gordon Brown and David Cameron, who said that the continuing lending drought showed that the Government’s bank recapitalisation plan was not working.

Mr Cameron urged the Government to adopt Conservative plans for a national loan guarantee scheme and later published a draft Bill to implement the plan. It would provide £50 billion of guarantees for new lending to businesses of all sizes.

Mr Darling said that he had always intended to keep the October bank bailout programme under review. He said: “The banks have to understand that we have put substantial sums of public money in to support them. They, in turn, need to play their part.

The economic situation has become so serious that last night the Treasury was not able to rule out the prospect of extraordinary measures being taken to pump billions of pounds into the economy. The Bank of England was reported to be looking at a crisis strategy known as “quantitative easing. This would involve the Bank buying up either government or commercial debt using bonds and securities. It is the direct modern-day equivalent of printing money.

The Chancellor said that such measures would be considered only if further cuts took the base rate close to zero –the point at which the Bank of England would run out of “firepower.

Treasury sources said that while it was prudent for the Bank to consider all options the chances of quantitative easing being used remained slight.

Earlier this week there were warnings that the economy would shrink by 1 per cent this winter. Sterling fell to just â‚¬1.1397 on foreign exchange markets at one point yesterday and closed at â‚¬1.1411 – dramatically down from its peak of more than â‚¬1.40 set only a year ago. A euro cost 87.74p.

Peer SteinbrÃ¼ck, the German Finance Minister, described Britain’s switch from financial prudence to heavy borrowing as crass and breath-taking. In an interview withNewsweek magazine, he criticised the decision to cut VAT. “All this will do is raise Britain’s debt to a level that will take a whole generation to work off, he said.

British officials said that the intervention was a reflection of "struggles within German politics".

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:43 pm

Galbally;1083070 wrote: In answer I will simply post this story from the Times of London, about the already apparent effects of the current strategy of the British Government, I think the quote from the German finance minister about current UK policy should be enough to make people in the UK thing long and hard of what the long-term consequences for the UK could be if the current strategy fails, as a fellow EU politican would never be so blunt unless he though the situation merited it.

Banks under the cosh as £1 tumbles towards â‚¬1

Gary Duncan, Economics Editor and Philip Webster, Political Editor

The pound is on the verge of parity with the euro as concerns grow over the state of the British economy.

With sterling slumping yesterday to its lowest level yet, £1 was buying just â‚¬1.03 at a bureau de change near the Eurostar terminus in London – meaning that an â‚¬80 meal for two in Paris now costs more than £77, compared with less than £59 a year ago.

Ministers were piling pressure on the banks to increase lending before a meeting with the banking industry today. Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, held out the prospect of wider taxpayer guarantees beyond the £100 billion already subscribed, but only if there were an absolute assurance that more loans would be made available to families and businesses.

He was speaking after an angry Commons clash between Gordon Brown and David Cameron, who said that the continuing lending drought showed that the Government’s bank recapitalisation plan was not working.

Mr Cameron urged the Government to adopt Conservative plans for a national loan guarantee scheme and later published a draft Bill to implement the plan. It would provide £50 billion of guarantees for new lending to businesses of all sizes.

Mr Darling said that he had always intended to keep the October bank bailout programme under review. He said: “The banks have to understand that we have put substantial sums of public money in to support them. They, in turn, need to play their part.

The economic situation has become so serious that last night the Treasury was not able to rule out the prospect of extraordinary measures being taken to pump billions of pounds into the economy. The Bank of England was reported to be looking at a crisis strategy known as “quantitative easing. This would involve the Bank buying up either government or commercial debt using bonds and securities. It is the direct modern-day equivalent of printing money.

The Chancellor said that such measures would be considered only if further cuts took the base rate close to zero –the point at which the Bank of England would run out of “firepower.

Treasury sources said that while it was prudent for the Bank to consider all options the chances of quantitative easing being used remained slight.

Earlier this week there were warnings that the economy would shrink by 1 per cent this winter. Sterling fell to just â‚¬1.1397 on foreign exchange markets at one point yesterday and closed at â‚¬1.1411 – dramatically down from its peak of more than â‚¬1.40 set only a year ago. A euro cost 87.74p.

Peer SteinbrÃ¼ck, the German Finance Minister, described Britain’s switch from financial prudence to heavy borrowing as crass and breath-taking. In an interview withNewsweek magazine, he criticised the decision to cut VAT. “All this will do is raise Britain’s debt to a level that will take a whole generation to work off, he said.

British officials said that the intervention was a reflection of "struggles within German politics".

So, is that a yes or a no then???

:yh_youkid:yh_youkid:yh_youkid:yh_youkid:yh_youkid

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:46 pm

oscar;1083092 wrote: So, is that a yes or a no then???

:yh_youkid:yh_youkid:yh_youkid:yh_youkid:yh_youkid

You'll have to make up your own mind on that one Mrs O. :rolleyes:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:49 pm

Carolly;1082990 wrote: Now Im totally confused.......do you or do you not support Brown

I will be helping the junior Tory oust our Labour MP in our own constituancy because he's a numbnutts, however,

I will as a country be rooting for that geezer in no 10.

My support is with Brown to run the country not the tosser we have in our home town.

Over the past year, i gazed longingly into the Great Gordon's one eye and i've even come to admire his greatness. He has stuck by more policy's than bonkers Blair ever did in his history.

:yh_worshp:yh_worshp:yh_worshp:yh_worshp:yh_worshp Oh Gordon

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:52 pm

Galbally;1083095 wrote: You'll have to make up your own mind on that one Mrs O. :rolleyes:As a master of spin, I'll put you down for a YES then MR G

:yh_tong2:yh_tong2:yh_tong2:yh_tong2:yh_tong2

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:03 pm

oscar;1082924 wrote: It's been just over a year now since The Cabinet voted out Tony Blair and Voted in Gordon Brown. It's time to be honest about what Brown has done in the past year. Let it all out here and i promise Oscar won't mind.

Place your votes and views folks

Is Gordon Brown doing a good job as the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom?

Come on America, we want to hear from you as well.

and just how would I know this?:guitarist

oh that's right..........you said america!:-5;):D

no one ever cares about us!:yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:11 pm

Barman;1083117 wrote: You crease me up, you really do.:wah:

Watch it barman!!... The oscar Party may be coming to a by-election near you!!

:yh_eyebro:yh_eyebro:yh_eyebro:yh_eyebro:yh_eyebro

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:13 pm

Odie;1083119 wrote: and just how would I know this?:guitarist

oh that's right..........you said america!:-5;):D

no one ever cares about us!:yh_rotfl

Sorry odie, but as a Canadian citizen, you are part of the British Commonwealth...You come under us British in this poll!! He's yours as well!!

:yh_hugs:yh_hugs:yh_hugs:yh_hugs:yh_hugs

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:17 pm

Galbally;1083070 wrote: In answer I will simply post this story from the Times of London, about the already apparent effects of the current strategy of the British Government, I think the quote from the German finance minister about current UK policy should be enough to make people in the UK thing long and hard of what the long-term consequences for the UK could be if the current strategy fails, as a fellow EU politican would never be so blunt unless he though the situation merited it.

Banks under the cosh as £1 tumbles towards â‚¬1

Gary Duncan, Economics Editor and Philip Webster, Political Editor

The pound is on the verge of parity with the euro as concerns grow over the state of the British economy.

With sterling slumping yesterday to its lowest level yet, £1 was buying just â‚¬1.03 at a bureau de change near the Eurostar terminus in London – meaning that an â‚¬80 meal for two in Paris now costs more than £77, compared with less than £59 a year ago.

Ministers were piling pressure on the banks to increase lending before a meeting with the banking industry today. Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, held out the prospect of wider taxpayer guarantees beyond the £100 billion already subscribed, but only if there were an absolute assurance that more loans would be made available to families and businesses.

He was speaking after an angry Commons clash between Gordon Brown and David Cameron, who said that the continuing lending drought showed that the Government’s bank recapitalisation plan was not working.

Mr Cameron urged the Government to adopt Conservative plans for a national loan guarantee scheme and later published a draft Bill to implement the plan. It would provide £50 billion of guarantees for new lending to businesses of all sizes.

Mr Darling said that he had always intended to keep the October bank bailout programme under review. He said: “The banks have to understand that we have put substantial sums of public money in to support them. They, in turn, need to play their part.

The economic situation has become so serious that last night the Treasury was not able to rule out the prospect of extraordinary measures being taken to pump billions of pounds into the economy. The Bank of England was reported to be looking at a crisis strategy known as “quantitative easing. This would involve the Bank buying up either government or commercial debt using bonds and securities. It is the direct modern-day equivalent of printing money.

The Chancellor said that such measures would be considered only if further cuts took the base rate close to zero –the point at which the Bank of England would run out of “firepower.

Treasury sources said that while it was prudent for the Bank to consider all options the chances of quantitative easing being used remained slight.

Earlier this week there were warnings that the economy would shrink by 1 per cent this winter. Sterling fell to just â‚¬1.1397 on foreign exchange markets at one point yesterday and closed at â‚¬1.1411 – dramatically down from its peak of more than â‚¬1.40 set only a year ago. A euro cost 87.74p.

Peer SteinbrÃ¼ck, the German Finance Minister, described Britain’s switch from financial prudence to heavy borrowing as crass and breath-taking. In an interview withNewsweek magazine, he criticised the decision to cut VAT. “All this will do is raise Britain’s debt to a level that will take a whole generation to work off, he said.

British officials said that the intervention was a reflection of "struggles within German politics".

Beside's Dr Gallbladder, that's bollocks....... you got that from the Daily Mail, you Daily mail reader you.

What's up?? has the Irish Time's run out of things to print?

Last time i googled the Irish Time's, The Breaking story was 'Man spots cat some-where in Ireland'

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:17 pm

oscar;1083138 wrote: Sorry odie, but as a Canadian citizen, you are part of the British Commonwealth...You come under us British in this poll!! He's yours as well!!

:yh_hugs:yh_hugs:yh_hugs:yh_hugs:yh_hugs

bloody hell!:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:44 pm

JAB;1083219 wrote: Admittedly, I don't know much about Gordon Brown so I googled him to read up. This YouTube link was the 2nd item listed right after the Wikipedia entry. :-2

YouTube - Gordon Brown picking his nose

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

This clip in the house of Commons would have been at a time when Tony Blair was Prime Minister and Gordon Brown was waiting for him to be elected out to take over his job. I love the body language... Just sheer and utter boredom as Tony Blair drones on and on. :yh_rotfl

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:35 pm

oscar;1083141 wrote: Beside's Dr Gallbladder, that's bollocks....... you got that from the Daily Mail, you Daily mail reader you.

What's up?? has the Irish Time's run out of things to print?

Last time i googled the Irish Time's, The Breaking story was 'Man spots cat some-where in Ireland'

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

No, thats not from the Daily Mail or the Irish Times; thats from "The Times" printed in London, UK Online Edition, December 11th 2008.

By the way, that thing they call "quantitative easing" actually means "lets print lots of paper money" so now the solution has finally gotten to old reliable

lets print money. If they get into that, Sterling is finished as a serious currency.

This isn't like the 1950s or 1930s, Sterling doesn't have the financial clout or authority it used to have, and the capital markets will crucify the British Pound if this policy is continued for any length of time. Its my opinion that George Osbourne is correct; he UK Government are being incredibly irresponsible with the currency, considering how much political importance British people place on maintaining their own, strong independent currency outside the Eurozone.

I'd personally much prefer to see the UK in the Euro, but it shouldn't happen like this; as its going to turn into a fait accompli, and that will have long term political consequences. Right wing Eurosceptic UK bloggers (are there any other kind?) are already claiming that the whole credit crunch has been a conspiracy masterminded in Brussels "BY THOSE DAMN EUROCRATS!" (harumphh) to get their venerable currency into the Euro, so I think we can see where that paranoid (but highly vocal) minority is going to go on this one.

I'd much rather see the Brits embrace the whole EU thing themselves, than end up being sullenly forced to have to "accept the inevitable" thats why the whole relationship with Europe in the UK has been sour from the start in 1973, it was sold as "a least worst option" not a positive opportunity to be embraced.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:34 am

Is Gordon Brown doing a good job as the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom?

Silly question.

NO

All of our politicians depress me.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:42 am

gmc;1083335 wrote: Silly question.

NO

All of our politicians depress me.

Fear not my little Haggis, Oscar's party is on the up, we may be coming to a by-election near you :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:43 am

Galbally;1083329 wrote: No, thats not from the Daily Mail or the Irish Times; thats from "The Times" printed in London, UK Online Edition, December 11th 2008.

By the way, that thing they call "quantitative easing" actually means "lets print lots of paper money" so now the solution has finally gotten to old reliable

lets print money. If they get into that, Sterling is finished as a serious currency.

This isn't like the 1950s or 1930s, Sterling doesn't have the financial clout or authority it used to have, and the capital markets will crucify the British Pound if this policy is continued for any length of time. Its my opinion that George Osbourne is correct; he UK Government are being incredibly irresponsible with the currency, considering how much political importance British people place on maintaining their own, strong independent currency outside the Eurozone.

I'd personally much prefer to see the UK in the Euro, but it shouldn't happen like this; as its going to turn into a fait accompli, and that will have long term political consequences. Right wing Eurosceptic UK bloggers (are there any other kind?) are already claiming that the whole credit crunch has been a conspiracy masterminded in Brussels "BY THOSE DAMN EUROCRATS!" (harumphh) to get their venerable currency into the Euro, so I think we can see where that paranoid (but highly vocal) minority is going to go on this one.

I'd much rather see the Brits embrace the whole EU thing themselves, than end up being sullenly forced to have to "accept the inevitable" thats why the whole relationship with Europe in the UK has been sour from the start in 1973, it was sold as "a least worst option" not a positive opportunity to be embraced.

So that's another YES then??

:yh_youkid:yh_youkid:yh_youkid:yh_youkid:yh_youkid

Imladris · Post by **Imladris** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:51 am

No, but he did a worse job as chancellor!

Would that count as two no's!!!

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:53 am

Imladris;1083584 wrote: No, but he did a worse job as chancellor!

Would that count as two no's!!!

No... That's three Yes's where i come from :yh_rotfl

Imladris · Post by **Imladris** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:10 am

oscar;1083587 wrote: No... That's three Yes's where i come from :yh_rotfl

Bad Oscar!!! :sneaky:

Can we just make a pact not to talk politics when we meet in January?

You and I will never, ever agree about Gordon Brown but I'm still looking forward to meeting you.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:15 am

Imladris;1084567 wrote: Bad Oscar!!! :sneaky:

Can we just make a pact not to talk politics when we meet in January?

You and I will never, ever agree about Gordon Brown but I'm still looking forward to meeting you.

Don't worry, Mr oscar will be in attendence with my medication!!

I shall look forward to meeting you also.

Hang on.... What do you mean.. you don't agree with Gordon lovliness??

Imladris · Post by **Imladris** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:19 am

oscar;1084571 wrote: Don't worry, Mr oscar will be in attendence with my medication!!

I shall look forward to meeting you also.

Hang on.... What do you mean.. you don't agree with Gordon lovliness??

Now the funny thing is, I actually think that he is probably quite a nice man, he's better than Bliar in the respect of not using his family as props to help his career. I felt huge sorrow and admiration for both him and Sarah when they lost their daughter - tell him any of this though and you're in big trouble!!

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:24 am

Imladris;1084573 wrote: Now the funny thing is, I actually think that he is probably quite a nice man, he's better than Bliar in the respect of not using his family as props to help his career. I felt huge sorrow and admiration for both him and Sarah when they lost their daughter - tell him any of this though and you're in big trouble!!

I can't tell him anything any more since i was stopped phoning the House of commons under british anti-terrorism to Gordon laws.

I got very upset with geupo last night when he said 'what a shame Al-Quaeda didn't get him at the EU summit. I had to remind him that his Greatness is a father.

Yes, i agree about the family bit, but typical of Blair, when all else fails.. stick Leo infront of the camera's.

Imladris · Post by **Imladris** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:31 am

oscar;1084580 wrote: I can't tell him anything any more since i was stopped phoning the House of commons under british anti-terrorism to Gordon laws.

:eek:

I got very upset with geupo last night when he said 'what a shame Al-Quaeda didn't get him at the EU summit. I had to remind him that his Greatness is a father.

Yes, i agree about the family bit, but typical of Blair, when all else fails.. stick Leo infront of the camera's.

Now that story you can tell me when we meet!!!

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:44 am

Imladris;1084595 wrote: Now that story you can tell me when we meet!!!

I shall. His wife was getting wind and i don't think they wanted the scandel :yh_rotfl

I have to go to work now... To pay his Lovliness some more gorgeous income tax.

Have a good day. :-6:-6