Today, it's been announced that the hard faced cruel bitch who refused to resign over Baby P has been officially sacked with no compensation.
Let's all celebrate and hope she is racked with guilt for the rest of her life.
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I should hope she gets much more than just her job being dismissed?
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Odie;1080921 wrote: I should hope she gets much more than just her job being dismissed?:sneaky::mad:
Ditto. I believe with the amount of hatred in this country for her that she will be a marked woman.
I can honestly see this woman having to change her identity. Good. As long as we don't have to pay for it. :sneaky:
:sneaky::mad:Ditto. I believe with the amount of hatred in this country for her that she will be a marked woman.
I can honestly see this woman having to change her identity. Good. As long as we don't have to pay for it. :sneaky:
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I'm sure she did a perfectly good job, actually. I'm sure she's an excellent administrator. She made the immensely stupid decision to protect her staff instead of throwing a few to the wolves and now she's going to pay for it. That'll teach her not to be arrogant.
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oscar;1080927 wrote: Ditto. I believe with the amount of hatred in this country for her that she will be a marked woman.
I can honestly see this woman having to change her identity. Good. As long as we don't have to pay for it. :sneaky:
she deserves life with no parole....they will take care of her kind in jail!:sneaky:;)
I can honestly see this woman having to change her identity. Good. As long as we don't have to pay for it. :sneaky:
she deserves life with no parole....they will take care of her kind in jail!:sneaky:;)
Life is just to short for drama.
Shoesmith is officially sacked with no compensation rule
oscar;1080915 wrote: Today, it's been announced that the hard faced cruel bitch who refused to resign over Baby P has been officially sacked with no compensation.
Let's all celebrate and hope she is racked with guilt for the rest of her life.
HURRAY! About bloody time!
Sadly I doubt she'll feel any guilt! If she did she would have resigned and hung her head in shame! She'll just be racked with bitterness at losing a well-paid cushy job! Still, as the song says, 'the Christmas you get, you deserve'. I hope the door hits you in the arse on the way out dearie!
Hip hip Hurray!
Let's all celebrate and hope she is racked with guilt for the rest of her life.
HURRAY! About bloody time!
Sadly I doubt she'll feel any guilt! If she did she would have resigned and hung her head in shame! She'll just be racked with bitterness at losing a well-paid cushy job! Still, as the song says, 'the Christmas you get, you deserve'. I hope the door hits you in the arse on the way out dearie!
Hip hip Hurray!
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spot;1080941 wrote: I'm sure she did a perfectly good job, actually. I'm sure she's an excellent administrator. She made the immensely stupid decision to protect her staff instead of throwing a few to the wolves and now she's going to pay for it. That'll teach her not to be arrogant.
She sacked a caring social worker to cover up the bad job her department were doing and to protect her Council! The Council may think her a good administrator on their behalf but she wasn't doing any favours to those she was supposed to protect and care for! She 'cared for' the wrong people!
She sacked a caring social worker to cover up the bad job her department were doing and to protect her Council! The Council may think her a good administrator on their behalf but she wasn't doing any favours to those she was supposed to protect and care for! She 'cared for' the wrong people!
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Rapunzel;1080947 wrote: HURRAY! About bloody time!
Sadly I doubt she'll feel any guilt! If she did she would have resigned and hung her head in shame! She'll just be racked with bitterness at losing a well-paid cushy job! Still, as the song says, 'the Christmas you get, you deserve'. I hope the door hits you in the arse on the way out dearie!
Hip hip Hurray!
I love the no compensation rule........ BRILLIANT:D:D
With some of our stupid employment laws, the press were correct in speculaying that she could get a pay off. Well done to Haringay council for having the balls to sack her (although it was probably public pressure).
As Spot said, no doubt she was a good administrator but should have sacked the idiots under her.
Now watch her try and claim unfair dismissal!!!
Sadly I doubt she'll feel any guilt! If she did she would have resigned and hung her head in shame! She'll just be racked with bitterness at losing a well-paid cushy job! Still, as the song says, 'the Christmas you get, you deserve'. I hope the door hits you in the arse on the way out dearie!
Hip hip Hurray!
I love the no compensation rule........ BRILLIANT
:D:DWith some of our stupid employment laws, the press were correct in speculaying that she could get a pay off. Well done to Haringay council for having the balls to sack her (although it was probably public pressure).
As Spot said, no doubt she was a good administrator but should have sacked the idiots under her.
Now watch her try and claim unfair dismissal!!!
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Shoesmith is officially sacked with no compensation rule
oscar;1080915 wrote: Today, it's been announced that the hard faced cruel bitch who refused to resign over Baby P has been officially sacked with no compensation.
Let's all celebrate and hope she is racked with guilt for the rest of her life.
Shoesmith sacked | The Sun |News
Hopefully the idiots in Philadelphia PA regarding the case of the Kelley girl who was neglected by her own parents, the city of Philly and others will all get their dues soon.
Let's all celebrate and hope she is racked with guilt for the rest of her life.
Shoesmith sacked | The Sun |News
Hopefully the idiots in Philadelphia PA regarding the case of the Kelley girl who was neglected by her own parents, the city of Philly and others will all get their dues soon.
Shoesmith is officially sacked with no compensation rule
Odie;1080943 wrote: she deserves life with no parole....they will take care of her kind in jail!:sneaky:;)
What??
Is that an attempt at humour?
What??
Is that an attempt at humour?
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Rapunzel;1080953 wrote: She sacked a caring social worker to cover up the bad job her department were doing and to protect her Council! The Council may think her a good administrator on their behalf but she wasn't doing any favours to those she was supposed to protect and care for! She 'cared for' the wrong people!
I've no idea whether she "sacked a caring social worker" or not. I'd need to read about it in a reputable paper that's not trying to grind an axe or boost a headline.
Social Services are flowcharted. There are manuals that say, step by step, who does what, who meets whom, how many sign off, what review processes occur. I think the main trouble with them is they're drawn up with the assumption that when someone on the staff reports X then X is true. It missed the mother lying about the guy who killed the child. It missed the evidence of injuries because a doctor said X instead of Stop. What'll happen is a new generation of flowcharts will be produced providing double-checks on all key statements and that'll add a few tens of millions of pounds annually to Social Services' national budget which won't upset the civil servants in charge in the least, they like bigger empires.
Had everyone done their job right then the flowcharts would have worked. What the screaming-public want is far more intervention early on, far more families broken up before the risk of eventual harm accumulates. Under that policy a lot of families will get broken up which would have worked if left in one piece. More broken-up families results in vastly higher national costs too.
I've no idea whether she "sacked a caring social worker" or not. I'd need to read about it in a reputable paper that's not trying to grind an axe or boost a headline.
Social Services are flowcharted. There are manuals that say, step by step, who does what, who meets whom, how many sign off, what review processes occur. I think the main trouble with them is they're drawn up with the assumption that when someone on the staff reports X then X is true. It missed the mother lying about the guy who killed the child. It missed the evidence of injuries because a doctor said X instead of Stop. What'll happen is a new generation of flowcharts will be produced providing double-checks on all key statements and that'll add a few tens of millions of pounds annually to Social Services' national budget which won't upset the civil servants in charge in the least, they like bigger empires.
Had everyone done their job right then the flowcharts would have worked. What the screaming-public want is far more intervention early on, far more families broken up before the risk of eventual harm accumulates. Under that policy a lot of families will get broken up which would have worked if left in one piece. More broken-up families results in vastly higher national costs too.
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qsducks;1080957 wrote: Hopefully the idiots in Philadelphia PA regarding the case of the Kelley girl who was neglected by her own parents, the city of Philly and others will all get their dues soon.
I think in all these cases, there needs to be done what our Prime Minister did. Send in the squad and look deeply, holding those accountable to blame. Sadly, these enquirey's only come too late.
Hopefully Baby P left a legacy of reform to our social services and in his name, no other child should suffer.
I think in all these cases, there needs to be done what our Prime Minister did. Send in the squad and look deeply, holding those accountable to blame. Sadly, these enquirey's only come too late.
Hopefully Baby P left a legacy of reform to our social services and in his name, no other child should suffer.
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spot;1080965 wrote: I've no idea whether she "sacked a caring social worker" or not. I'd need to read about it in a reputable paper that's not trying to grind an axe or boost a headline.
The accusation was based on the serious concerns of Nevres Kemal, a social worker at Haringey, the London borough where Baby P died last August. She claimed that vulnerable children were being put back into the care of abusive parents. Miss Kemal was later suspended and left her £34,000-a-year job with the council. An employment tribunal found that she had been singled out because she was a whistle-blower.
Baby P: Ministers were warned babies were at risk - Telegraph
The accusation was based on the serious concerns of Nevres Kemal, a social worker at Haringey, the London borough where Baby P died last August. She claimed that vulnerable children were being put back into the care of abusive parents. Miss Kemal was later suspended and left her £34,000-a-year job with the council. An employment tribunal found that she had been singled out because she was a whistle-blower.
Baby P: Ministers were warned babies were at risk - Telegraph
Shoesmith is officially sacked with no compensation rule
Rapunzel;1080993 wrote: The accusation was based on the serious concerns of Nevres Kemal, a social worker at Haringey, the London borough where Baby P died last August. She claimed that vulnerable children were being put back into the care of abusive parents. Miss Kemal was later suspended and left her £34,000-a-year job with the council. An employment tribunal found that she had been singled out because she was a whistle-blower.
Baby P: Ministers were warned babies were at risk - Telegraph
Yes, I've seen all that, I'm only wondering why you lay it at the door of Sharon Shoesmith. I've no idea whether she "sacked a caring social worker" or not. I expect it's far more likely to have been the decision of Haringey's Director of Human Resources, that's what HR is for.
Baby P: Ministers were warned babies were at risk - Telegraph
Yes, I've seen all that, I'm only wondering why you lay it at the door of Sharon Shoesmith. I've no idea whether she "sacked a caring social worker" or not. I expect it's far more likely to have been the decision of Haringey's Director of Human Resources, that's what HR is for.
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spot;1080965 wrote: Social Services are flowcharted. There are manuals that say, step by step, who does what, who meets whom, how many sign off, what review processes occur. I think the main trouble with them is they're drawn up with the assumption that when someone on the staff reports X then X is true. It missed the mother lying about the guy who killed the child. It missed the evidence of injuries because a doctor said X instead of Stop. What'll happen is a new generation of flowcharts will be produced providing double-checks on all key statements and that'll add a few tens of millions of pounds annually to Social Services' national budget which won't upset the civil servants in charge in the least, they like bigger empires.
Had everyone done their job right then the flowcharts would have worked. What the screaming-public want is far more intervention early on, far more families broken up before the risk of eventual harm accumulates. Under that policy a lot of families will get broken up which would have worked if left in one piece. More broken-up families results in vastly higher national costs too.
It's an emotive subject. You do need guidelines but you also need people who care about their job and about the children in their care and who aren't just some jobsworths who follow guidelines but can't see outside the box.
Had everyone done their job right then the flowcharts would have worked. What the screaming-public want is far more intervention early on, far more families broken up before the risk of eventual harm accumulates. Under that policy a lot of families will get broken up which would have worked if left in one piece. More broken-up families results in vastly higher national costs too.
It's an emotive subject. You do need guidelines but you also need people who care about their job and about the children in their care and who aren't just some jobsworths who follow guidelines but can't see outside the box.
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spot;1080995 wrote: Yes, I've seen all that, I'm only wondering why you lay it at the door of Sharon Shoesmith. I've no idea whether she "sacked a caring social worker" or not. I expect it's far more likely to have been the decision of Haringey's Director of Human Resources, that's what HR is for.
I'm off out now Spot to hoof it up at the RBL, but Rapunzel is right i think. What about the whistle blower who wrote to ministers warning them about Shoesmith.? She was sacked and accussed of harming her own child. She later won compensation for unfair dismissal.
I'm off out now Spot to hoof it up at the RBL, but Rapunzel is right i think. What about the whistle blower who wrote to ministers warning them about Shoesmith.? She was sacked and accussed of harming her own child. She later won compensation for unfair dismissal.
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The sacked whistle blower
First image of Baby P as whistleblower's warnings revealed - Scotsman.com News
First image of Baby P as whistleblower's warnings revealed - Scotsman.com News
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spot;1080995 wrote: Yes, I've seen all that, I'm only wondering why you lay it at the door of Sharon Shoesmith. I've no idea whether she "sacked a caring social worker" or not. I expect it's far more likely to have been the decision of Haringey's Director of Human Resources, that's what HR is for.
Sharon Shoesmith, the head of children's services at the council found responsible for a series of failures over the death of Baby P, has been dismissed with immediate effect.
Haringey children's services chief sacked over Baby P case | Society | guardian.co.uk
I'm assuming that Sharon Shoesmith, as head of children's services, would have been a line manager above Haringey social worker, Nevres Kemal. As such she would surely have been asked her opinion regarding Ms Kemal's suspension. (Not a decision to be made lightly as Ms. Kemal could sue.) Haringey's Director of Human Resources would surely not have suspended anyone without being under advisement. It appears to be one of the "series of failures" she committed, as mentioned above.
Sharon Shoesmith, the head of children's services at the council found responsible for a series of failures over the death of Baby P, has been dismissed with immediate effect.
Haringey children's services chief sacked over Baby P case | Society | guardian.co.uk
I'm assuming that Sharon Shoesmith, as head of children's services, would have been a line manager above Haringey social worker, Nevres Kemal. As such she would surely have been asked her opinion regarding Ms Kemal's suspension. (Not a decision to be made lightly as Ms. Kemal could sue.) Haringey's Director of Human Resources would surely not have suspended anyone without being under advisement. It appears to be one of the "series of failures" she committed, as mentioned above.
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Rapunzel;1080997 wrote: It's an emotive subject. You do need guidelines but you also need people who care about their job and about the children in their care and who aren't just some jobsworths who follow guidelines but can't see outside the box.
They're not the administrators though. The administrators are just that - people who make sure the systems are followed.
They're not the administrators though. The administrators are just that - people who make sure the systems are followed.
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As an aside, I've read online that Facebook are requesting people to release a blue balloon for Baby Peter on Christmas morning at 10.30am GMT.
Baby P Balloon Release Xmas Day 10.30am. Your own Gardens.
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Basic InfoType: Common Interest - Beliefs & Causes
Description: We all know the story, we all know the horror. Please join us in releasing a blue balloon for Baby P in the company of your own family.
We have chosen 10.30am so everyone can fill the sky with blue balloons
It would be great if you could either take a photo or film it on Xmas Day and post it here so then we can forward this to the papers and maybe just maybe get it published!
Please click on the event bottom right and say you are attending. Also, Sarah Jane who is admin is hoping to organise an official one on the 1st March which was his birthday.
Contact InfoEmail:
Location: Bradford, United Kingdom
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=35479247667
It also says they're hoping to organise an official one on the 1st March which was his birthday. That's my birthday too. What a sad way to remember it. But we'll send up some blue balloons for him then too. :-1
Baby P Balloon Release Xmas Day 10.30am. Your own Gardens.
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Basic InfoType: Common Interest - Beliefs & Causes
Description: We all know the story, we all know the horror. Please join us in releasing a blue balloon for Baby P in the company of your own family.
We have chosen 10.30am so everyone can fill the sky with blue balloons
It would be great if you could either take a photo or film it on Xmas Day and post it here so then we can forward this to the papers and maybe just maybe get it published!
Please click on the event bottom right and say you are attending. Also, Sarah Jane who is admin is hoping to organise an official one on the 1st March which was his birthday.
Contact InfoEmail:
Location: Bradford, United Kingdom
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=35479247667
It also says they're hoping to organise an official one on the 1st March which was his birthday. That's my birthday too. What a sad way to remember it. But we'll send up some blue balloons for him then too. :-1
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spot;1081022 wrote: They're not the administrators though. The administrators are just that - people who make sure the systems are followed.
spot;1080941 wrote: I'm sure she did a perfectly good job, actually. I'm sure she's an excellent administrator. She made the immensely stupid decision to protect her staff instead of throwing a few to the wolves and now she's going to pay for it. That'll teach her not to be arrogant.
spot;1080995 wrote: I'm only wondering why you lay it at the door of Sharon Shoesmith.
I'm sorry to be pedantic, Spotalicious, but as you say, administrators are people who make sure the systems are followed. She didn't. She made mistakes. She's the head of the department. The buck stops there.
spot;1080941 wrote: I'm sure she did a perfectly good job, actually. I'm sure she's an excellent administrator. She made the immensely stupid decision to protect her staff instead of throwing a few to the wolves and now she's going to pay for it. That'll teach her not to be arrogant.
spot;1080995 wrote: I'm only wondering why you lay it at the door of Sharon Shoesmith.
I'm sorry to be pedantic, Spotalicious, but as you say, administrators are people who make sure the systems are followed. She didn't. She made mistakes. She's the head of the department. The buck stops there.
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spot;1080961 wrote: What??
Is that an attempt at humour?
-did you see me laugh?
Is that an attempt at humour?
-did you see me laugh?
Life is just to short for drama.
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Rapunzel;1081038 wrote: I'm sorry to be pedantic, Spotalicious, but as you say, administrators are people who make sure the systems are followed. She didn't. She made mistakes. She's the head of the department. The buck stops there.
I don't know that she made any mistakes. Her staff were reporting X to her when X wasn't actually true and her procedures - given to her, not devised by her - didn't have a way of finding the lies. The system she administered relied on facts and it was fed enough small doses of fiction to go wrong in this one instance. No system is error-free and I say that as a systems designer, I know.
I don't know that she made any mistakes. Her staff were reporting X to her when X wasn't actually true and her procedures - given to her, not devised by her - didn't have a way of finding the lies. The system she administered relied on facts and it was fed enough small doses of fiction to go wrong in this one instance. No system is error-free and I say that as a systems designer, I know.
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fuzzy butt;1081234 wrote: who is shoesmith and who is baby P ................just a few lines will do.
The newspaper articles have the background far more effectively than we do.
Shoesmith sacked | The Sun |News
Haringey children's services chief sacked over Baby P case | Society | guardian.co.uk
The newspaper articles have the background far more effectively than we do.
Shoesmith sacked | The Sun |News
Haringey children's services chief sacked over Baby P case | Society | guardian.co.uk
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fuzzy butt;1081242 wrote: sounds like the child was never going to make it to it's second birthday.
That's sad.
Blood spattered cot? what did those barstards do to it?
It was the worst case of child abuse this country has ever seen.
His sick mothers boyfriend and lodger, tortured him since the day he was born. Finally, they broke 8 of his ribs and snapped his spine. Three days later he was dead in his cot from a massive head injury.
In court, there was a possibility that the mother, the lodger and the tenant would be found not guilty of murder by a jury as all three blamed each other. The Judge dropped the charge to the charge of 'allowing the death of a child' on all three.
They were found guilty last week and will be sentenced in December.
That's sad.
Blood spattered cot? what did those barstards do to it?It was the worst case of child abuse this country has ever seen.
His sick mothers boyfriend and lodger, tortured him since the day he was born. Finally, they broke 8 of his ribs and snapped his spine. Three days later he was dead in his cot from a massive head injury.
In court, there was a possibility that the mother, the lodger and the tenant would be found not guilty of murder by a jury as all three blamed each other. The Judge dropped the charge to the charge of 'allowing the death of a child' on all three.
They were found guilty last week and will be sentenced in December.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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spot;1081218 wrote: I don't know that she made any mistakes. Her staff were reporting X to her when X wasn't actually true and her procedures - given to her, not devised by her - didn't have a way of finding the lies. The system she administered relied on facts and it was fed enough small doses of fiction to go wrong in this one instance. No system is error-free and I say that as a systems designer, I know.
No, no system is error-free. But when you find an error in your system you correct it, don't you?
I remember the case of Maria Colwell and who can forget Victoria Climbie?
And what of Heidi Koseda, Jasmine Beckford and Toni-Ann Byfield?
In 2000 Victoria Climbié died after suffering months of horrific abuse and neglect. A public inquiry into her death began in September 2001, which was expected to lead to sweeping reform of Britain's child protection services.
The courts heard that there were at least 12 chances for the agencies involved in her protection to have saved her. Two social workers from the London borough of Haringey were suspended and faced disciplinary proceedings.
In EVERY case outlined below a child was horrifically murdered.
In EVERY case outlined below social services were involved.
In EVERY case outlined below social services didn't act and a child died.
In EVERY case outlined below social services were criticised and penalised.
In EVERY case outlined below there is a pattern of abuse; social services were warned; they accept lies from carers rather than just force the door open and push their way in; they are stopped by conflicting reports and miscommunication instead of having one central child care agency; they have reports of abuse from families and neighbours; inter-agency coordination was 'ineffective'.
A list of excuses!
Failures have been noted and reforms have been promised since 1945!
Reforms have just added to the paperwork - they haven't improved the system!
Would you allow a system error to remain uncorrected for 63 years Spot?
These tragedies were all avoidable. :-1
When will we ever learn? :-1
Catalogue of cruelty
David Batty chronicles some of the most the shocking child killings that have rocked this country in the past 60 years
David Batty
guardian.co.uk, Monday January 27 2003 11.32 GMT
Article history
1945
Dennis O'Neil, 13, was beaten to death by his foster father, Reginald Gough, at Bank Farm, Shropshire. A post-mortem examination revealed he had been starved for months and weighed just four stone. The murder trial revealed that he had sucked the farm cows' udders in a desperate attempt to get some sustenance. The case shook a war weary Britain and there was a national outcry when Gough was jailed for six years for manslaughter. An appeal court ruling changed the verdict to murder and his sentence was extended to 10 years. A Home Office inquiry identified a string of failures by the staff and agencies involved in the case. There had been confusion between the two local authorities responsible for the boy's foster placement, conflicting reports by childcare staff about his wellbeing, staff shortages and miscommunication.
1973
Maria Colwell, seven, died in Brighton after being starved and beaten by her stepfather, William Kepple. She had suffered brain damage, a fractured rib, black eyes, extensive external bruising and internal injuries. Maria had been fostered by her aunt and uncle because her mother, Pauline, could not cope with bringing up five children on her own. Five years later Pauline decided she wanted her daughter back. But an inquiry by the Department of Health found that East Sussex county council had insufficient evidence to return the girl. There were 50 official visits to the family, including from social workers, health visitors, police and housing officers. All agencies involved in the case were criticised.
1984
Jasmine Beckford was starved and battered to death by her stepfather, Maurice Beckford. He was found guilty of the four-year-old's manslaughter and jailed for 10 years. Her mother, Beverley Lorrington, was jailed for 18 months for neglect. Jasmine had been in the care of Brent social services for two-and-a-half years before she died, after Beckford was convicted of assaulting her younger sister. She was seen by a social worker only once in 10 months.
1984
Tyra Henry died after being battered and bitten by her father, Andrew Neil, while in local authority care. Neil was subsequently sentenced to life imprisonment for the 21-month-old baby's murder. A report on the case found that the white social workers from Lambeth council tended to be too trusting of the family because they were black. John Patten, then a junior social services minister, published new guidelines on child abuse cases for social workers soon after.
1984
Heidi Koseda starved to death in a locked room in Hillingdon, west London. Her stepfather, Nicholas Price, was jailed for life for her murder while her mother, Rosemary Koseda, was found guilty of manslaughter and detained in a high security psychiatric hospital. A private inquiry into her death found that the senior National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children inspector allocated to her case failed to investigate a complaint of child abuse made by a neighbour. He also tried to cover this up with a fictitious account of a visit to see the child.
1986
Kimberley Carlile, four, was starved and beaten to death in Greenwich. Her stepfather, Nigel Hall, received a life sentence for her murder while her mother was given 12 years' imprisonment for assault and cruelty. Hall frustrated attempts by social workers and health visitors to investigate. But an inquiry found that her death was avoidable and concluded that four key social work and health staff in Greenwich failed to apply the necessary skill, judgement and care in her case.
1987
Doreen Mason died of neglect after her mother and her boyfriend bruised, burnt and broke the 16-month-old's leg then failed to have her injuries treated. Christine Mason and Roy Aston were convicted of manslaughter and cruelty and each jailed for 12 years. Doreen was on the "at risk" register of Southwark council from birth. She slept on the floor where the couple put junk food for her to eat. A report said her social worker was inexperienced and given no proper training or supervision, and that Southwark social services department suffered from a "siege mentality" and "destructive mistrust" between senior managers.
1992
Leanne White, three, was beaten to death by her stepfather, Colin Sleate, who made her sleep on the floor. The girl suffered 107 external injuries and died of internal bleeding and repeated blows to the stomach. Sleate was jailed for life for the girl's murder while her mother, Tina, received 10 years for manslaughter. An inquiry concluded that her death could have been prevented if Nottinghamshire social services had responded properly to reports from her grandmother and neighbours that she was at risk.
1994
Rikki Neave, six, was found strangled by his coat zipper in a wood near Peterborough. His drug addict mother, Ruth, was jailed after admitting cruelty towards Rikki and two of his three sisters. She hit them, burned them, threw them across the room and locked them outside. Neave had asked a succession of social workers to take the boy off her hands and told one she would kill Rikki if they did not do something. A report by the social services inspectorate three years later said fault primarily lay with senior management in Cambridgeshire social services department.
1999
Chelsea Brown, two, was battered to death by her father. Robert Brown, who was jailed for life for her murder, had a criminal record for violence against children. Her mother, Maria Brown, was jailed for 18 months for child cruelty. The girl's social worker, Norma McDevitt, visited the family 27 times in the 10 weeks before her death. She took Chelsea to a paediatrician who said that six out of nine areas of bruising "had no plausible explanation" and at least one was deliberately inflicted. These findings should have triggered police involvement and a multi-agency case conference under Derbyshire county council's procedures, but neither happened.
2000
Victoria Climbié, eight, died from hypothermia in a tiny flat in Tottenham, north London, after suffering months of horrific abuse and neglect. Her aunt, Marie Thérèse Kouao, and her boyfriend, Carl Manning, were both jailed for life for the girl's murder in January 2001. A public inquiry into her death began in September 2001, which is expected to lead to sweeping reform of Britain's child protection services. It has heard that there were at least 12 chances for the agencies involved in her protection to have saved her. Two social workers from the London borough of Haringey have been suspended and face disciplinary proceedings.
2000
Lauren Wright, six, was found dead after suffering a fatal punch or kick from her stepmother, Tracey Wright, which caused her digestive system to collapse. The woman was found guilty of manslaughter, as was the girl's father, Craig Wright, who had turned a blind eye to her abuse. Norfolk social services department has admitted it made serious mistakes and missed chances to save Lauren. An inquiry found that inter-agency coordination was "ineffective" and social workers had not acted with "due urgency".
2002
Ainlee Labonte, two, was starved and tortured to death by her vicious parents, Leanne Labonte and Dennis Henry. The couple, from Plaidstow, east London, were jailed for manslaughter for deliberately punching, scalding and burning the toddler, who had 64 scars and bruises on her body when she died. She weighed just 9.5kg (21lbs), about half the normal weight of a child that age. An inquiry into her death found that the health and social workers who should have protected her failed to do so because they were paralysed with fear of Leanne and Dennis. It criticised the staff and agencies involved for poor communication and for failing to carry out a proper assessment of the risks facing Ainlee.
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No, no system is error-free. But when you find an error in your system you correct it, don't you?
I remember the case of Maria Colwell and who can forget Victoria Climbie?
And what of Heidi Koseda, Jasmine Beckford and Toni-Ann Byfield?
In 2000 Victoria Climbié died after suffering months of horrific abuse and neglect. A public inquiry into her death began in September 2001, which was expected to lead to sweeping reform of Britain's child protection services.
The courts heard that there were at least 12 chances for the agencies involved in her protection to have saved her. Two social workers from the London borough of Haringey were suspended and faced disciplinary proceedings.
In EVERY case outlined below a child was horrifically murdered.
In EVERY case outlined below social services were involved.
In EVERY case outlined below social services didn't act and a child died.
In EVERY case outlined below social services were criticised and penalised.
In EVERY case outlined below there is a pattern of abuse; social services were warned; they accept lies from carers rather than just force the door open and push their way in; they are stopped by conflicting reports and miscommunication instead of having one central child care agency; they have reports of abuse from families and neighbours; inter-agency coordination was 'ineffective'.
A list of excuses!
Failures have been noted and reforms have been promised since 1945!
Reforms have just added to the paperwork - they haven't improved the system!
Would you allow a system error to remain uncorrected for 63 years Spot?
These tragedies were all avoidable. :-1
When will we ever learn? :-1
Catalogue of cruelty
David Batty chronicles some of the most the shocking child killings that have rocked this country in the past 60 years
David Batty
guardian.co.uk, Monday January 27 2003 11.32 GMT
Article history
1945
Dennis O'Neil, 13, was beaten to death by his foster father, Reginald Gough, at Bank Farm, Shropshire. A post-mortem examination revealed he had been starved for months and weighed just four stone. The murder trial revealed that he had sucked the farm cows' udders in a desperate attempt to get some sustenance. The case shook a war weary Britain and there was a national outcry when Gough was jailed for six years for manslaughter. An appeal court ruling changed the verdict to murder and his sentence was extended to 10 years. A Home Office inquiry identified a string of failures by the staff and agencies involved in the case. There had been confusion between the two local authorities responsible for the boy's foster placement, conflicting reports by childcare staff about his wellbeing, staff shortages and miscommunication.
1973
Maria Colwell, seven, died in Brighton after being starved and beaten by her stepfather, William Kepple. She had suffered brain damage, a fractured rib, black eyes, extensive external bruising and internal injuries. Maria had been fostered by her aunt and uncle because her mother, Pauline, could not cope with bringing up five children on her own. Five years later Pauline decided she wanted her daughter back. But an inquiry by the Department of Health found that East Sussex county council had insufficient evidence to return the girl. There were 50 official visits to the family, including from social workers, health visitors, police and housing officers. All agencies involved in the case were criticised.
1984
Jasmine Beckford was starved and battered to death by her stepfather, Maurice Beckford. He was found guilty of the four-year-old's manslaughter and jailed for 10 years. Her mother, Beverley Lorrington, was jailed for 18 months for neglect. Jasmine had been in the care of Brent social services for two-and-a-half years before she died, after Beckford was convicted of assaulting her younger sister. She was seen by a social worker only once in 10 months.
1984
Tyra Henry died after being battered and bitten by her father, Andrew Neil, while in local authority care. Neil was subsequently sentenced to life imprisonment for the 21-month-old baby's murder. A report on the case found that the white social workers from Lambeth council tended to be too trusting of the family because they were black. John Patten, then a junior social services minister, published new guidelines on child abuse cases for social workers soon after.
1984
Heidi Koseda starved to death in a locked room in Hillingdon, west London. Her stepfather, Nicholas Price, was jailed for life for her murder while her mother, Rosemary Koseda, was found guilty of manslaughter and detained in a high security psychiatric hospital. A private inquiry into her death found that the senior National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children inspector allocated to her case failed to investigate a complaint of child abuse made by a neighbour. He also tried to cover this up with a fictitious account of a visit to see the child.
1986
Kimberley Carlile, four, was starved and beaten to death in Greenwich. Her stepfather, Nigel Hall, received a life sentence for her murder while her mother was given 12 years' imprisonment for assault and cruelty. Hall frustrated attempts by social workers and health visitors to investigate. But an inquiry found that her death was avoidable and concluded that four key social work and health staff in Greenwich failed to apply the necessary skill, judgement and care in her case.
1987
Doreen Mason died of neglect after her mother and her boyfriend bruised, burnt and broke the 16-month-old's leg then failed to have her injuries treated. Christine Mason and Roy Aston were convicted of manslaughter and cruelty and each jailed for 12 years. Doreen was on the "at risk" register of Southwark council from birth. She slept on the floor where the couple put junk food for her to eat. A report said her social worker was inexperienced and given no proper training or supervision, and that Southwark social services department suffered from a "siege mentality" and "destructive mistrust" between senior managers.
1992
Leanne White, three, was beaten to death by her stepfather, Colin Sleate, who made her sleep on the floor. The girl suffered 107 external injuries and died of internal bleeding and repeated blows to the stomach. Sleate was jailed for life for the girl's murder while her mother, Tina, received 10 years for manslaughter. An inquiry concluded that her death could have been prevented if Nottinghamshire social services had responded properly to reports from her grandmother and neighbours that she was at risk.
1994
Rikki Neave, six, was found strangled by his coat zipper in a wood near Peterborough. His drug addict mother, Ruth, was jailed after admitting cruelty towards Rikki and two of his three sisters. She hit them, burned them, threw them across the room and locked them outside. Neave had asked a succession of social workers to take the boy off her hands and told one she would kill Rikki if they did not do something. A report by the social services inspectorate three years later said fault primarily lay with senior management in Cambridgeshire social services department.
1999
Chelsea Brown, two, was battered to death by her father. Robert Brown, who was jailed for life for her murder, had a criminal record for violence against children. Her mother, Maria Brown, was jailed for 18 months for child cruelty. The girl's social worker, Norma McDevitt, visited the family 27 times in the 10 weeks before her death. She took Chelsea to a paediatrician who said that six out of nine areas of bruising "had no plausible explanation" and at least one was deliberately inflicted. These findings should have triggered police involvement and a multi-agency case conference under Derbyshire county council's procedures, but neither happened.
2000
Victoria Climbié, eight, died from hypothermia in a tiny flat in Tottenham, north London, after suffering months of horrific abuse and neglect. Her aunt, Marie Thérèse Kouao, and her boyfriend, Carl Manning, were both jailed for life for the girl's murder in January 2001. A public inquiry into her death began in September 2001, which is expected to lead to sweeping reform of Britain's child protection services. It has heard that there were at least 12 chances for the agencies involved in her protection to have saved her. Two social workers from the London borough of Haringey have been suspended and face disciplinary proceedings.
2000
Lauren Wright, six, was found dead after suffering a fatal punch or kick from her stepmother, Tracey Wright, which caused her digestive system to collapse. The woman was found guilty of manslaughter, as was the girl's father, Craig Wright, who had turned a blind eye to her abuse. Norfolk social services department has admitted it made serious mistakes and missed chances to save Lauren. An inquiry found that inter-agency coordination was "ineffective" and social workers had not acted with "due urgency".
2002
Ainlee Labonte, two, was starved and tortured to death by her vicious parents, Leanne Labonte and Dennis Henry. The couple, from Plaidstow, east London, were jailed for manslaughter for deliberately punching, scalding and burning the toddler, who had 64 scars and bruises on her body when she died. She weighed just 9.5kg (21lbs), about half the normal weight of a child that age. An inquiry into her death found that the health and social workers who should have protected her failed to do so because they were paralysed with fear of Leanne and Dennis. It criticised the staff and agencies involved for poor communication and for failing to carry out a proper assessment of the risks facing Ainlee.
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oscar;1080967 wrote: I think in all these cases, there needs to be done what our Prime Minister did. Send in the squad and look deeply, holding those accountable to blame. Sadly, these enquirey's only come too late.
Hopefully Baby P left a legacy of reform to our social services and in his name, no other child should suffer.
Back in August 08, the parents decided to sue the city of Philly and the welfare agencies. The uproar in the press was unbelievable as anyone with a brain knew they both didn't do squat in protecting their daughter Danieele Kelley who was found in a bed covered with bedsores and flies attacking her. She was dead for several days before the "parent's" noticed her.
They have since dropped out of the lawsuit but have their lawyers still suing the same parties for as they call it "the estate of Danielle Kelley". So her 12 sibs can get compensation on the backs of hardworking taxpayers. The parents are both facing jail time and are currently in jail awaiting trial. Disgusting.
Hopefully Baby P left a legacy of reform to our social services and in his name, no other child should suffer.
Back in August 08, the parents decided to sue the city of Philly and the welfare agencies. The uproar in the press was unbelievable as anyone with a brain knew they both didn't do squat in protecting their daughter Danieele Kelley who was found in a bed covered with bedsores and flies attacking her. She was dead for several days before the "parent's" noticed her.
They have since dropped out of the lawsuit but have their lawyers still suing the same parties for as they call it "the estate of Danielle Kelley". So her 12 sibs can get compensation on the backs of hardworking taxpayers. The parents are both facing jail time and are currently in jail awaiting trial. Disgusting.
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oscar;1081289 wrote: It was the worst case of child abuse this country has ever seen.
His sick mothers boyfriend and lodger, tortured him since the day he was born. Finally, they broke 8 of his ribs and snapped his spine. Three days later he was dead in his cot from a massive head injury.
In court, there was a possibility that the mother, the lodger and the tenant would be found not guilty of murder by a jury as all three blamed each other. The Judge dropped the charge to the charge of 'allowing the death of a child' on all three.
They were found guilty last week and will be sentenced in December.
how sad is this? ...it's not sad, its sadistical torture with intent!:-5:-5:-5
His sick mothers boyfriend and lodger, tortured him since the day he was born. Finally, they broke 8 of his ribs and snapped his spine. Three days later he was dead in his cot from a massive head injury.
In court, there was a possibility that the mother, the lodger and the tenant would be found not guilty of murder by a jury as all three blamed each other. The Judge dropped the charge to the charge of 'allowing the death of a child' on all three.
They were found guilty last week and will be sentenced in December.
how sad is this? ...it's not sad, its sadistical torture with intent!:-5:-5:-5
Life is just to short for drama.
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Odie;1082275 wrote: how sad is this? ...it's not sad, its sadistical torture with intent!:-5:-5:-5
Have some comfort that his torturers are in prison awaiting sentence and they have had to be segregated from other prisoners because of death threats. Allegedly, all three are on suicide watch as well.
Baby P may not have happened in America or Canada but his death here has outraged our nation. His name will be the legacy of radical reform in our Social Services.
It's a British thing, but maybe you'd like to join us?
On Christmas day at 10.30 in the morning, citizens of Britain are to go into their gardens and release one blue balloon for Baby P. A blue balloon to signify his blue eyes.
Maybe we can make it International.
Have some comfort that his torturers are in prison awaiting sentence and they have had to be segregated from other prisoners because of death threats. Allegedly, all three are on suicide watch as well.
Baby P may not have happened in America or Canada but his death here has outraged our nation. His name will be the legacy of radical reform in our Social Services.
It's a British thing, but maybe you'd like to join us?
On Christmas day at 10.30 in the morning, citizens of Britain are to go into their gardens and release one blue balloon for Baby P. A blue balloon to signify his blue eyes.
Maybe we can make it International.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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The replacement for Sharon Shoesmith has accepted double her money in exchange for taking on her totally thankless job. She was only reducing the budget by three front-line social workers walking the streets but this chap's bringing the total down by an entire six. I suggest we write to Harringey suggesting they pay him a million and stop sending front-line staff out entirely. Given that what everyone wants is the instant removal of all children from families the day a complaint's registered there is, after all, no need for them. Or have I mis-read the FG threads on the topic?
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spot;1087368 wrote: The replacement for Sharon Shoesmith has accepted double her money in exchange for taking on her totally thankless job. She was only reducing the budget by three front-line social workers walking the streets but this chap's bringing the total down by an entire six. I suggest we write to Harringey suggesting they pay him a million and stop sending front-line staff out entirely. Given that what everyone wants is the instant removal of all children from families the day a complaint's registered there is, after all, no need for them. Or have I mis-read the FG threads on the topic?
Either i have not had enough coffee, or does this not just defeat the Object?
I am far from any expert in such matters but i would have thought the sucess of the deparetment would exist with more ground staff out there making un-scheduled visits and a better chain of communication between superiores who sign off the final vote of yes, to have the child removed>
Either i have not had enough coffee, or does this not just defeat the Object?
I am far from any expert in such matters but i would have thought the sucess of the deparetment would exist with more ground staff out there making un-scheduled visits and a better chain of communication between superiores who sign off the final vote of yes, to have the child removed>
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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oscar;1087578 wrote: Either i have not had enough coffee, or does this not just defeat the Object?
I am far from any expert in such matters but i would have thought the sucess of the deparetment would exist with more ground staff out there making un-scheduled visits and a better chain of communication between superiores who sign off the final vote of yes, to have the child removed>
It depends what you want.
What I suggested was that a 100% guarantee that Harringey Council Social Department never has a child die after it's been reported to be at risk is for the child to be removed into care as soon as an at risk report is received. Who needs foot-soldier social workers in those circumstances?
You know full well there's no other 100% guarantee, don't you.
I am far from any expert in such matters but i would have thought the sucess of the deparetment would exist with more ground staff out there making un-scheduled visits and a better chain of communication between superiores who sign off the final vote of yes, to have the child removed>
It depends what you want.
What I suggested was that a 100% guarantee that Harringey Council Social Department never has a child die after it's been reported to be at risk is for the child to be removed into care as soon as an at risk report is received. Who needs foot-soldier social workers in those circumstances?
You know full well there's no other 100% guarantee, don't you.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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spot;1087626 wrote: It depends what you want.
What I suggested was that a 100% guarantee that Harringey Council Social Department never has a child die after it's been reported to be at risk is for the child to be removed into care as soon as an at risk report is received. Who needs foot-soldier social workers in those circumstances?
You know full well there's no other 100% guarantee, don't you.
My own slant on this matter, is to invest in more foot soldiers but at all times have those foot soldiers daily answerable to middle ground staff. The middle ground staff should have at least five years training out in the field and be able to clearly recognise 'at risk' cases. Should they then feel the child needs removing, the case is passed to a higher level for immediate rubber stamping. Those who rubber stamp should also have at least five years experience in the field.
Abolish the University graduates who obtain high positions without ever seeing that of a bruised childs face instead of neatly cocooned in a warm office.
This would resolve the situation of cases piled high on desks un-checked for months.
Naturally this would bring about more staff and more yearly expenditure for wages. I know myself, that i would rather see such a situation and myself pay more tax, if it ultimately avoided another abused child.
What I suggested was that a 100% guarantee that Harringey Council Social Department never has a child die after it's been reported to be at risk is for the child to be removed into care as soon as an at risk report is received. Who needs foot-soldier social workers in those circumstances?
You know full well there's no other 100% guarantee, don't you.
My own slant on this matter, is to invest in more foot soldiers but at all times have those foot soldiers daily answerable to middle ground staff. The middle ground staff should have at least five years training out in the field and be able to clearly recognise 'at risk' cases. Should they then feel the child needs removing, the case is passed to a higher level for immediate rubber stamping. Those who rubber stamp should also have at least five years experience in the field.
Abolish the University graduates who obtain high positions without ever seeing that of a bruised childs face instead of neatly cocooned in a warm office.
This would resolve the situation of cases piled high on desks un-checked for months.
Naturally this would bring about more staff and more yearly expenditure for wages. I know myself, that i would rather see such a situation and myself pay more tax, if it ultimately avoided another abused child.
Shoesmith is officially sacked with no compensation rule
Peter Lake;1087657 wrote: My own slant on this matter, is to invest in more foot soldiers but at all times have those foot soldiers daily answerable to middle ground staff. The middle ground staff should have at least five years training out in the field and be able to clearly recognise 'at risk' cases. Should they then feel the child needs removing, the case is passed to a higher level for immediate rubber stamping. Those who rubber stamp should also have at least five years experience in the field.
Abolish the University graduates who obtain high positions without ever seeing that of a bruised childs face instead of neatly cocooned in a warm office.
This would resolve the situation of cases piled high on desks un-checked for months.
Naturally this would bring about more staff and more yearly expenditure for wages. I know myself, that i would rather see such a situation and myself pay more tax, if it ultimately avoided another abused child.
It sounds like a fairly exact description of the way Harringey was being run.
The tension in the system is whether or not to be proactive in removing children, knowing that on balance those removed have a worse outcome than those left with their family but also knowing that for a minority the outcome of being left with their family is disastrous.
The answer, if anyone asks me which they never would, is to improve the outcome for those removed so that it's on balance better than for those left. Then there's no tension and the current riskier option can be abandoned.
Abolish the University graduates who obtain high positions without ever seeing that of a bruised childs face instead of neatly cocooned in a warm office.
This would resolve the situation of cases piled high on desks un-checked for months.
Naturally this would bring about more staff and more yearly expenditure for wages. I know myself, that i would rather see such a situation and myself pay more tax, if it ultimately avoided another abused child.
It sounds like a fairly exact description of the way Harringey was being run.
The tension in the system is whether or not to be proactive in removing children, knowing that on balance those removed have a worse outcome than those left with their family but also knowing that for a minority the outcome of being left with their family is disastrous.
The answer, if anyone asks me which they never would, is to improve the outcome for those removed so that it's on balance better than for those left. Then there's no tension and the current riskier option can be abandoned.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;1087664 wrote: It sounds like a fairly exact description of the way Harringey was being run.
The tension in the system is whether or not to be proactive in removing children, knowing that on balance those removed have a worse outcome than those left with their family but also knowing that for a minority the outcome of being left with their family is disastrous.
The answer, if anyone asks me which they never would, is to improve the outcome for those removed so that it's on balance better than for those left. Then there's no tension and the current riskier option can be abandoned.
The targets and budgets within the stystem presently at work is the entire reason for abused being left with unfit parents and innocent parents being placed under scrutiney often leading for the wrong reasons, having their child taken away. It is finding a common ground that does not involve individual council budgets and perhaps the removal of targets that will eventually bring this about.
My earlier post was a suggesstion of improving the chaos they have found at 'Haringay' in break down of communications between lower case staff and upper senior management who make the ultimate decision should a child be removed from the parents or not.
It is madness to have a system where removing an abused child depends on the state of the budget that year or month.
The tension in the system is whether or not to be proactive in removing children, knowing that on balance those removed have a worse outcome than those left with their family but also knowing that for a minority the outcome of being left with their family is disastrous.
The answer, if anyone asks me which they never would, is to improve the outcome for those removed so that it's on balance better than for those left. Then there's no tension and the current riskier option can be abandoned.
The targets and budgets within the stystem presently at work is the entire reason for abused being left with unfit parents and innocent parents being placed under scrutiney often leading for the wrong reasons, having their child taken away. It is finding a common ground that does not involve individual council budgets and perhaps the removal of targets that will eventually bring this about.
My earlier post was a suggesstion of improving the chaos they have found at 'Haringay' in break down of communications between lower case staff and upper senior management who make the ultimate decision should a child be removed from the parents or not.
It is madness to have a system where removing an abused child depends on the state of the budget that year or month.
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Peter Lake;1087709 wrote: It is madness to have a system where removing an abused child depends on the state of the budget that year or month.
So adopt my proposal. Immediately remove every child about which there has been an allegation of abuse. In the real world there are invariably budget constraints. if there were no budget constraints everyone in England would be employed by Social Services and take taxis between appointments.
So adopt my proposal. Immediately remove every child about which there has been an allegation of abuse. In the real world there are invariably budget constraints. if there were no budget constraints everyone in England would be employed by Social Services and take taxis between appointments.
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Shoesmith is officially sacked with no compensation rule
spot;1087714 wrote: So adopt my proposal. Immediately remove every child about which there has been an allegation of abuse. In the real world there are invariably budget constraints. if there were no budget constraints everyone in England would be employed by Social Services and take taxis between appointments.
In the whole, i am in agreement with your proposal however there would have to be a stringent system in place to ensure there is never a repeat of the 'Isle of Skye' episode where after extensive trials, it was shown that no abuse took place and had a devastating effect on the family life there-after and extreme distress to the children.
If investment was placed into state childrens homes offering them rehabilitation, education and above all, love, this would otweigh a life with parents where physical abuse may be minimul but mental cruelty abundant.
In the whole, i am in agreement with your proposal however there would have to be a stringent system in place to ensure there is never a repeat of the 'Isle of Skye' episode where after extensive trials, it was shown that no abuse took place and had a devastating effect on the family life there-after and extreme distress to the children.
If investment was placed into state childrens homes offering them rehabilitation, education and above all, love, this would otweigh a life with parents where physical abuse may be minimul but mental cruelty abundant.
Shoesmith is officially sacked with no compensation rule
I am, naturally, assuming that a sufficient number of suitable places would exist for the children to be placed with.
As for "after extensive trials, it was shown that no abuse took place", that's the price you pay for never being in a position for the Sun to scream that a child died after complaints had been made. There simply is no working alternative other than for the good Lord to grant the Sun wisdom, an event I don't anticipate this side of the Apocalypse.
As for "after extensive trials, it was shown that no abuse took place", that's the price you pay for never being in a position for the Sun to scream that a child died after complaints had been made. There simply is no working alternative other than for the good Lord to grant the Sun wisdom, an event I don't anticipate this side of the Apocalypse.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.