Many people work at a job to earn money to support themselves as well as their family!
Should "Pride" on the job ever be able to jeopardize that?
If at that job, your "Pride" was somehow wounded, would you let it affect your performance & or attitude? Where it could even impair future raises, advancement, & or even to the point of you retaining that job?
Would you suck up your "Pride" & still give the job 100%, or would you let "Pride" rob you of Money!
Pride Vs Money
Pride Vs Money
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Pride Vs Money
This is an interesting question, although very broad and general.
The way I would answer this is that I think there is an important element to any workplace or job and that is integrity. I say this because ‘pride’ can be very misplaced and people can be guided by false pride which would be disastrous to follow instincts using this.
I think that you need to keep an objective view. Is what is happening in the workplace in line with the principles of integrity that they say they operate by? If not, do you feel that this can be discussed with your boss? If not, then it what is happening outside your own sense of integrity? I again the answer is that you feel what is going on is just wrong, then you need to make important decisions.
Never just walk away from a job, it is a fact that it is easier to get a job when you already have one, than it is to get a job when you don’t have one. Make an exit plan; don’t let anyone know in the workplace about your plan. Still perform your job, as you may need a reference (never burn bridges). Then work towards leaving and continuing your carer somewhere else.
But don’t base the decision on Pride only, you need to look at the big picture as you do not want to damage your immediate income, get something else lined up first.
The way I would answer this is that I think there is an important element to any workplace or job and that is integrity. I say this because ‘pride’ can be very misplaced and people can be guided by false pride which would be disastrous to follow instincts using this.
I think that you need to keep an objective view. Is what is happening in the workplace in line with the principles of integrity that they say they operate by? If not, do you feel that this can be discussed with your boss? If not, then it what is happening outside your own sense of integrity? I again the answer is that you feel what is going on is just wrong, then you need to make important decisions.
Never just walk away from a job, it is a fact that it is easier to get a job when you already have one, than it is to get a job when you don’t have one. Make an exit plan; don’t let anyone know in the workplace about your plan. Still perform your job, as you may need a reference (never burn bridges). Then work towards leaving and continuing your carer somewhere else.
But don’t base the decision on Pride only, you need to look at the big picture as you do not want to damage your immediate income, get something else lined up first.
Pride Vs Money
cars;1090124 wrote: Many people work at a job to earn money to support themselves as well as their family!
Should "Pride" on the job ever be able to jeopardize that?
If at that job, your "Pride" was somehow wounded, would you let it affect your performance & or attitude? Where it could even impair future raises, advancement, & or even to the point of you retaining that job?
Would you suck up your "Pride" & still give the job 100%, or would you let "Pride" rob you of Money!
Good question ! If my pride was wounded, I definitely wouldn't give 100% of myself to the job. In the begiining, I would but then later on, I'd eventually give up my wholehearted efforts toward the job unless my boss did something to rectify the situation.
Should "Pride" on the job ever be able to jeopardize that?
If at that job, your "Pride" was somehow wounded, would you let it affect your performance & or attitude? Where it could even impair future raises, advancement, & or even to the point of you retaining that job?
Would you suck up your "Pride" & still give the job 100%, or would you let "Pride" rob you of Money!
Good question ! If my pride was wounded, I definitely wouldn't give 100% of myself to the job. In the begiining, I would but then later on, I'd eventually give up my wholehearted efforts toward the job unless my boss did something to rectify the situation.
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I agree with Mike. Your post is rather general, cars. Each situation is different. An employee should be able to discuss any issues on the job that affect job performance with the boss or the HR manager.
There is pride................and there is vanity.
There is pride................and there is vanity.
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along-for-the-ride;1090148 wrote: ..................There is pride................and there is vanity.
That is exactly the point. Pride is part of your being while vanity is a false sense of who you are. It is important to know the difference.
Speaking from experience: My hubby and I worked for the same company. I was 8 months pregnant and he carried our health insurance in his name. An incident occured and he quit his job over it. Initially I was in shock when I heard, but I knew there had to be a good reason for his actions. When he told me about the incident, I told him he did exactly the right thing. He and I have the same values on things.
Some things you do not compromise on.
That is exactly the point. Pride is part of your being while vanity is a false sense of who you are. It is important to know the difference.
Speaking from experience: My hubby and I worked for the same company. I was 8 months pregnant and he carried our health insurance in his name. An incident occured and he quit his job over it. Initially I was in shock when I heard, but I knew there had to be a good reason for his actions. When he told me about the incident, I told him he did exactly the right thing. He and I have the same values on things.
Some things you do not compromise on.
"Out, damned spot! out, I say!"
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Pride for my job is seeing a student learn, do well in their school work, and one day be accomplished in life. The bad years of school administration does not change the way I teach, because the students are what counts.
Pride Vs Money
cars;1090124 wrote: Many people work at a job to earn money to support themselves as well as their family!
Should "Pride" on the job ever be able to jeopardize that?
If at that job, your "Pride" was somehow wounded, would you let it affect your performance & or attitude? Where it could even impair future raises, advancement, & or even to the point of you retaining that job?
Would you suck up your "Pride" & still give the job 100%, or would you let "Pride" rob you of Money!
Question is perhaps too general. Maybe you mean integrity rather than pride. As a manager I was asked by an area manager to get rid (as in stitch up and fire) of two junior managers who he felt did not fit the "image" of the company. I refused to do it which probably didn't help my career any but that was enough for me to decide to get another job-which I duly did.
You can always get another job but some things once lost or given up can never be returned.
Should "Pride" on the job ever be able to jeopardize that?
If at that job, your "Pride" was somehow wounded, would you let it affect your performance & or attitude? Where it could even impair future raises, advancement, & or even to the point of you retaining that job?
Would you suck up your "Pride" & still give the job 100%, or would you let "Pride" rob you of Money!
Question is perhaps too general. Maybe you mean integrity rather than pride. As a manager I was asked by an area manager to get rid (as in stitch up and fire) of two junior managers who he felt did not fit the "image" of the company. I refused to do it which probably didn't help my career any but that was enough for me to decide to get another job-which I duly did.
You can always get another job but some things once lost or given up can never be returned.
Pride Vs Money
Intentially started off in general terms. So as to continue the discussion, I will add to the OP question. It's not about "integrity". Say an advancement position opened up in your workplace. And you had the credentials, & were absolutely qualified to fill that position, but you were passed over for that position due to workplace "politics"! Someone with no qualified credentials at all but was "politacally connected", was advanced into that opened up position. "Pride" taken in performing a job at 100% productivity/quality/on schedule, was not appreciated, & was outdone by someone playing workplace "politics"! Looking for another lucrative job would very likely have not been all that successful, due to widespread indusrty downsizing.
So now, would you forego money & let "Pride" drive you out of that workplace anyway?
So now, would you forego money & let "Pride" drive you out of that workplace anyway?
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cars;1090340 wrote: Intentially started off in general terms. So as to continue the discussion, I will add to the OP question. It's not about "integrity". Say an advancement position opened up in your workplace. And you had the credentials, & were absolutely qualified to fill that position, but you were passed over for that position due to workplace "politics"! Someone with no qualified credentials at all but was "politacally connected", was advanced into that opened up position. "Pride" taken in performing a job at 100% productivity/quality/on schedule, was not appreciated, & was outdone by someone playing workplace "politics"! Looking for another lucrative job would very likely have not been all that successful, due to widespread indusrty downsizing.
So now, would you forego money & let "Pride" drive you out of that workplace anyway?
Under these conditions: I say,
You get a job to earn money. As this is the purpose in getting a job, to make the most you can you sometimes need to 'play the game'. You usually need to spend 8hours at most all jobs, so you might as well make the most you can while you are doing it.
So now, would you forego money & let "Pride" drive you out of that workplace anyway?
Under these conditions: I say,
You get a job to earn money. As this is the purpose in getting a job, to make the most you can you sometimes need to 'play the game'. You usually need to spend 8hours at most all jobs, so you might as well make the most you can while you are doing it.
"Out, damned spot! out, I say!"
- William Shakespeare, Macbeth, 5.1
Pride Vs Money
Kindle;1090362 wrote: Under these conditions: I say,
You get a job to earn money. As this is the purpose in getting a job, to make the most you can you sometimes need to 'play the game'. You usually need to spend 8hours at most all jobs, so you might as well make the most you can while you are doing it.
Exactally Kindle!!! As observed over the years in the workplace, if you "Play the Game", it will usually get you want you want!!!
You get a job to earn money. As this is the purpose in getting a job, to make the most you can you sometimes need to 'play the game'. You usually need to spend 8hours at most all jobs, so you might as well make the most you can while you are doing it.
Exactally Kindle!!! As observed over the years in the workplace, if you "Play the Game", it will usually get you want you want!!!
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cars;1090340 wrote: Intentially started off in general terms. So as to continue the discussion, I will add to the OP question. It's not about "integrity". Say an advancement position opened up in your workplace. And you had the credentials, & were absolutely qualified to fill that position, but you were passed over for that position due to workplace "politics"! Someone with no qualified credentials at all but was "politacally connected", was advanced into that opened up position. "Pride" taken in performing a job at 100% productivity/quality/on schedule, was not appreciated, & was outdone by someone playing workplace "politics"! Looking for another lucrative job would very likely have not been all that successful, due to widespread indusrty downsizing.
So now, would you forego money & let "Pride" drive you out of that workplace anyway?
Happens all the time-people look and sound good in interviews and look a better prospect than perhaps the one already doing the job in an acting position or you have a senior management bringing in their cronies. I've had personal experience of it. That style of management (high flying talk good look good push for results works for a while but eventually pisses off the better staff) invariably fails. Look at what has happened with the banks-you have a culture where results are all that matters and anyone questioning-who is not a "team" player gets marginalised. Voices in the corporate wilderness playing the part of Cassandra.
I would start looking for another job.
I would bide my time and keep doing the job to the best of my ability. Guys that get promoted that way almost invariably screw up-you then have the dilemma of do you keep doing your job and probably in the course of it help make him look good without getting your contribution or abilities recognised.
Eventually the management culture changes and better managers get control or you get out. Key thing to remember a job is what you do losing it doesn't make you a lesser as a person. Worry about he opinions of those who matter to you not those you don't respect or have little time for.
Pride in what you do and personal integrity are not separate you can't have one without the other. So as cars puts it you play the game but keep your cards close to your chest and trump or bale out depending on how things work out. That's what I did anyway. I managed both:D
The best form of revenge when someone does you down is always success. Six months later if you meet them in the street only vague memories will stir.
So now, would you forego money & let "Pride" drive you out of that workplace anyway?
Happens all the time-people look and sound good in interviews and look a better prospect than perhaps the one already doing the job in an acting position or you have a senior management bringing in their cronies. I've had personal experience of it. That style of management (high flying talk good look good push for results works for a while but eventually pisses off the better staff) invariably fails. Look at what has happened with the banks-you have a culture where results are all that matters and anyone questioning-who is not a "team" player gets marginalised. Voices in the corporate wilderness playing the part of Cassandra.
I would start looking for another job.
I would bide my time and keep doing the job to the best of my ability. Guys that get promoted that way almost invariably screw up-you then have the dilemma of do you keep doing your job and probably in the course of it help make him look good without getting your contribution or abilities recognised.
Eventually the management culture changes and better managers get control or you get out. Key thing to remember a job is what you do losing it doesn't make you a lesser as a person. Worry about he opinions of those who matter to you not those you don't respect or have little time for.
Pride in what you do and personal integrity are not separate you can't have one without the other. So as cars puts it you play the game but keep your cards close to your chest and trump or bale out depending on how things work out. That's what I did anyway. I managed both:D
The best form of revenge when someone does you down is always success. Six months later if you meet them in the street only vague memories will stir.