Edgar Cayce, Nostradamus, And The Bible On World War 3

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:04 pm

I'm going to try and dig a little deeper into this here guys. Turn up the heat a little bit so to speak....

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:05 pm

Every year, tens of thousands of people from all over the world become interested in the life work of one ordinary man. He was an average individual in most respects: a loving husband, a father of two children, a skilled photographer, a devoted Sunday School teacher, and an eager gardener. Yet, throughout his life, he also displayed one of the most remarkable psychic talents of all time. His name was Edgar Cayce.

For forty-three years of his adult life, Edgar Cayce demonstrated the uncanny ability to put himself into some kind of self-induced sleep state by lying down on a couch, closing his eyes, and folding his hands over his stomach. This state of relaxation and meditation enabled him to place his mind in contact with all time and space.

Though Cayce died more than half a century ago, the timeliness of the material in the readings is evidenced by approximately one dozen biographies and more than 300 titles that discuss various aspects of this man's life and work. These books contain a corpus of information so valuable that even Edgar Cayce himself might have hesitated to predict their impact on the latter part of the twentieth century.

Sixty years ago who could have known that terms such as "meditation," "akashic records," "spiritual growth," "auras," "soul mates," and "holism" would become household words to hundreds of thousands? Further details about his life and work are explored in such classic works as There Is a River (1942) by Thomas Sugrue, The Sleeping Prophet (1967) by Jess Stearn, Many Mansions (1950) by Gina Cerminara, and Edgar Cayce-An American Prophet (2000) by Sidney Kirkpatrick.

Daily for over forty years of his adult life, Cayce would lie down on a couch with his hands folded over his stomach and allow himself to enter a self-induced sleep state. Then, provided with the name and location of an individual anywhere in the world he would speak in a normal voice and give answers to any questions about that person that he was asked. These answers, which came to be called "readings" were written down by a stenographer, who kept one copy on file and sent another to the person who had requested the information.

Today on file at the Association for Research and Enlightenment, Inc. (A.R.E.), in Virginia Beach, Virginia, are copies of more than 14,000 of Edgar Cayce's readings. These are available to the public and have been filed along with any follow-up reports received from the individuals who had asked for the readings. This material represents the most massive collection of psychic information ever obtained from a single source. The organization founded by Cayce in 1931 to document, research and disseminate his information has grown from a few hundred supporters at the time of Cayce's death in 1945 to one which is worldwide. Countless individuals have been touched by the life work of this man who was raised a simple farm boy and yet became one of the most versatile and credible psychics the world has ever known. In addition to the Cayce readings, the organization makes available a large collection of Edgar Cayce books, New Age books, Self-Help books and Metaphysical Books.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:10 pm

EDGAR CAYCE'S PREDICTION:

"There will be a potential Third World War In Libya, and in Egypt, in Ankara, and in Syria; through the straits around those areas above Australia, in the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf."

Cayce - in the 1930s - indicated the 'sins' of the key nations:

America - has forgotten "in God we trust"

England - conceit

France - lust

China - isolationism

India - internalization of knowledge

Italy - dissensions

He said "Russia will become beacons of hope for the world."

Through Russia, Cayce said "comes the hope of the world. Not in respect to what is sometimes termed Communism or Bolshevism -- no! But freedom -- freedom! That each man will live for his fellow man. The principle has been born there. It will take years for it to be crystallized; yet out of Russia comes again the hope of the world."

Cayce also predicted the possibility of a THIRD World War. He spoke of strifes arising..."in Libya, and in Egypt, in Ankara, and in Syria; through the straits around those areas above the Persian Gulf."

Later on, when asked in June 1943 whether it would be feasible to work towards an equitable international world currency or a stabilization of international exchange levels when the war (WW II) had ended, Cayce replied that it would be a long, long time before this would happen. Indeed, he said, "there may be another war (WW III) over just such conditions."

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:12 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus, (December 14, 1503 - July 1, 1566) born Michel de Nostredame, is one of the world's most famous authors of prophecies. He is most famous for his book Les Propheties, which consists of rhymed quatrains (4 line poems) grouped into sets of 100, called Centuries.

Nostradamus enthusiasts have credited him with predicting an amazing number of events in world history, including the French Revolution, the atom bomb, and the rise of Adolf Hitler.

What may be most astounding are some of his predictions for our current century as he describes wars and events which are astoundingly similar to what is currently happening in the world as I am writing this.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:13 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"The Anti-Christ three very soon Annihilates,

Twenty-seven bloody years his war will last.

Heretics dead, captive, exiled.

Water red hail cover the Earth."

NOTE:

In this one he is obviously describing the Anti-Christ and his attempt to take over our World. But one must remember that when it comes to war, military action is not the only aspect of it. Often times it is the final one but not the first.

So...given that, if we take what Nostradamus said about the Anti-Christ's war lasting for 27 years, we could look at it with the angle of realizing that it is quite possible that 24 of those years have already gone by. And that the Anti-Christ is about to make his final move, which is Military Action against the World. I could see this as a very good possibility, because the last 7 years will be the worst, and this correlates with what the Bible talks about with the 7 year tribulation period.

So....if we go back 24 years, than we can definately see that China was acting up in the 1980's.. The tanks and the protestors will probably ring a bell for some.

So therefore I believe that we may very well be on the brink of the Anti-Christ's war. And I believe that this will be time time when he steps out of the Shadows, and into the public arena, and that he will make his presence known to the World.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:20 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"One who the infernal Gods of Hannibal

Will cause to be born, terror to all mankind,

Never more horror nor the newspapers

tell of worse in the past,

Then will come to the Italians through Babylon."

NOTE:

This one seems to be about the Anti-Christ as well, and of the travel routes of Italian forces.

Babylon was a city-state of ancient Mesopotamia (which was sometimes considered an Empire), the remains of which can be found in present-day Al Hillah, Babil Province, Iraq, about 85 kilometers (55 mi) south of Baghdad.

It appears that Nostradamus is claiming here that Soldiers from Italy will travel through Iraq to get to their destination. Wherever that may be.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:21 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"The year, seventh month,

From the sky will come a great King of Terror:

To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols,

Before and after Mars to reign by good luck."

NOTE:

In this prediction it appears that Nostradamus is describing some kind of supernatural type of event that will allow someone with great influence over the "mongols" (Mongolians?) to gain great power from it's aftermath.

China does have alot of leverage over Mongolia. And the current Chinese President does as well.

I have long since wondered if the current Chinese President could one day turn out to be the Anti-Christ. Only time will tell. And if not the current one, it could very well be the one right after him.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:22 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"A horrible war which is being prepared in the west,

The following year the pestilence will come,

So very horrible that young nor old,

nor animal (may survive).

Blood fire Mercury Mars Jupiter in France."

NOTE:

This prediction seems to be about World War 3 and a war being prepared in the west. It is important to note that China is considered to be in the North-Western hemisphere of the World.

He also seems to claim that during this time there will be "blood" and "fire" in France.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:24 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"The Oriental will come out of his Seat,

Crossing the Apennie Mountains seeing France:

Transported through the sky the waters and snows,

And shall strike everyone with his rod."

NOTE:

Obviously he is talking about China rising up against the World in this one. He appears to be claiming that China will cross some mountains and it appears that whoever is in charge of the Chinese army will meet with France, possibly to declare/wage war. The hint we are given that this won't be a very friendly meeting is because he specifically states that this leader and his forces (who will travel by air, land, and sea) will "Strike everyone with his rod". Clearly that is a statement that refers to some kind of attack or another.

He plainly states that the route this Oriental leader will take will be across the Apennie Mountains. The Apennines or Apennine Mountains is a mountain range stretching 1000 km from the north to the south of Italy along its east coast, traversing the entire peninsula, and forming the backbone of the country.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:26 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"From the Black Sea and Central Asia,

A King will come to see France,

He will pass through Alania and Albania,

And in Istanbul will leave his bloody Rod."

NOTE:

Here he appears to be talking about China's leader again. He mentions that the Leader will come to France, and also that he will pass through the territories of Alania and Albania, and then that he will "leave his bloody rod" in Istanbul. Istanbul probably means Turkey, so this looks like a prediction of an attack on Turkey as well.

He also mentions that the king/leader will come from the Black Sea/Central Asia before he goes to France. So he gives us a clue as to where this leader (and his army I would assume) will be coming from before the attack on Turkey.

Even before the attack on Turkey, Nostradamus mentions that this "king" and his army will pass through Alania and Albania.

Alania was a medieval kingdom of the Alans (proto-Ossetians) that flourished in the Northern Caucasus, roughly in the location of latter-day Circassia and modern North Ossetia-Alania, from the 8th or 9th century until its destruction by the Mongol invasion in 1238-39. Its capital was Maghas, and it controlled a vital trade route through the Darial Pass.

Here is a map Map showing the location of Alania, c. 650 CE:

Albania is a country in South Eastern Europe. It is bordered by Greece to the south-east, Montenegro to the north, Kosovo to the northeast, and the Republic of Macedonia to the east. It has a coast on the Adriatic Sea to the west, and on the Ionian Sea to the southwest. It is less than 72 km (45 miles) from Italy, across the Strait of Otranto which links the Adriatic Sea to the Ionian Sea.

And finally he claims that in Istanbul (Turkey) this "King"/leader will "leave his bloody rod". Possibly he means that there will be an extreme attack on the city of Istanbul, Turkey, and that the leader will stop there for at least awhile if not for good. Perhaps this is where he will station his troops for awhile?

Istanbul, historically Byzantium and later Constantinople, is the largest city of Turkey and the third largest city in Europe, after London and Moscow. The city covers 27 districts of the Istanbul province. It is located on the Bosphorus Strait and encompasses the natural harbor known as the Golden Horn, in the northwest of the country. It extends both on the European (Thrace) and on the Asian (Anatolia) side of the Bosphorus, and is thereby the only metropolis in the world which is situated on two continents. In its long history, Istanbul served as the capital city of the Roman Empire (330–395), the East Roman (Byzantine) Empire (395–1204 and 1261–1453), the Latin Empire (1204–1261), and the Ottoman Empire (1453–1922).

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:29 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"From Fez the Kingdom stretches out across Europe,

The city burns, and sword slices:

The great one of Asia Land and Sea a great army.

That blue, Persia, cross, driven to death."

NOTE:

In this prediction he appears to be describing the size of the Chinese army. He also mentions the "great one of Asia", which most likely represents the leader of China who he seems to claim will rise up against the World. Also it looks like he mentions that they (the Red Chinese Army) will use both the Sea and Land for their warfare.

He also mentions the Kingdom of Fez. The Kingdom of Fez was a state of North Africa. It bordered the Mediterranean Sea to its north, Spain (Melilla) to the northeast, Abdalwadid to the east, Saadi dynasty by Oum Er-Rbia River to the south, Atlantic ocean to the west, and Portugal (Ceuta) to the northwest.

Jeane Dixon claims that the various African nations will join forces with the Arabs and Chinese in World War 3 against Europe. Perhaps this is a reference to those forces.

The Kingdom of Fez was formed when Abu Abd Allah al-Sheikh Muhammad ibn Yahya conquered the city of Fes, Morocco from King Shorfa in 1472. So the other possibility could be that he is directly referring to the city of Fes, Morocco. He does go on to claim that the "city burns, and sword slices." Therefore he could literally be describing an attack on the city of Fes, Morocco itself.

Fes or Fez (Arabic: فاس‎ [Fās], French: Fès) is the fourth largest city in Morocco, after Casablanca, Rabat and Marrakech with a population of 946,815 (2004 census). It is the capital of the Fès-Boulemane Region.

Fes is one of the four so-called "imperial cities" (the others are Marrakech, Meknes and Rabat). It is separated into three parts, Fes el Bali (the old, walled city), Fes-Jdid (new Fes, home of the Mellah), and the Ville Nouvelle (the French-created, newest section of Fes).

And lastly he gives us a clue that seems to point to the Arab forces directly when he states, "That blue, Persia,", thereby almost completely confirming the exact three aggressors that Jeane Dixon mentioned so many hundreds of years later.

He also gives us a clue as to what areas will be attacked by the Arabs/Iranians when he writes "cross, driven to death". Clearly this is a reference to an attack on Christianity (Those who worship the cross). So perhaps Nostradamus is hinting here that it will be Christian nations who will be targeted by the Persians (Arabs/Iranians) when he wrote that portion of the quatrain.

The Persian Empire was a series of successive Iranian or Iraniate empires that ruled over the Iranian plateau, the original Persian homeland, and beyond in Western Asia, South Asia, Central Asia and the Caucasus. Most of the successive states in Greater Iran prior to March 1935 are collectively called the Persian Empire by Western historians.

Therefore it is also entirely possible that Nostradamus here is referring directly to the Country of Iran/and or the Iranian forces that are said to join with the Chinese and African nations in the war against Europe (World War 3).

The Chinese, The various African nations, and the various Arab nations. All 3 Jeane Dixon said will be involved in World War 3. And in this quatrain Nostradamus's work seems to back up that statement by making reference to all 3 of them.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:30 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"That which is enclosed in iron and letter in a fish,

Out will go one who will then make war,

He will have his fleet well rowed by sea,

Appearing near Latin land."

NOTE:

This could be again describing the "Oriental" leader's navy. Or possibly the Arab fleet that is supposed to join him. It could also be African soldiers who I am guessing will be riding along on some of the boats provided by countries like China/Iran, ect.

The description of the iron and letter in a "fish" sounds like something brought on board a ship. The "fish" could well be a reference to a modern day submarine.

This particular person who "goes out to make war" Nostradamus claims will have his "fleet well rowed by sea". So obviously this person will be in command of a type of navy.

And lastly, Nostradamus gives us a specific geographical location that we can expect this fleet to come ashore on/make war upon. He states that it will be "near Latin land". So that gives us a pretty good idea of what we can come to expect from this seemingly purely naval attack during World War 3.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:32 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"The troubles of Israel will come to Po;

Tagus, Tiber, Lake of Geneva and

Tuscany."

NOTE:

This appears to be a prediction describing the troubles that Israel is both facing now and will be facing during World War 3. He clearly states that the "troubles of Israel" will spill over into other parts of the World. Therefore being a key factor of World War 3.

The name "Israel" first appears in the Bible as the name given by God to the patriarch Jacob ( Genesis 32:28 ), which can be translated as "God contended". The name already occurs in Eblaite and Ugaritic texts as a common name. Commentators differ on the original literal meaning. The first definition of the promised land (Genesis 15:13-21) calls it "this land". In Genesis 15, this land is promised to Abraham's "descendants", through his son Isaac, while in Deuteronomy 1:8, it is promised explicitly to the Israelites, Abrahams descendants through Jacob. A more detailed definition is given in Numbers 34:1-15 for the land explicitly allocated to nine and half of the Israelite tribes after the exodus. In this passage, the land is called "Land of Canaan". The expression "Land of Israel" is first used in a later book, Samuel 13:19. It is used often in the book of Ezekiel and also by Matthew. More precise geographical borders are given in Exodus 23:31 which describes borders as marked by the Red Sea, the "Sea of the Philistines" i.e the Mediterranean, and the "River," i.e. the Euphrates the traditional furthest extent of the Kingdom of David.

The modern state of Israel has its roots in the Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael), a concept central to Judaism since ancient times, and the heartland of the ancient Kingdom of Judah to which modern Jews are usually attributed. After World War I, the League of Nations approved the British Mandate of Palestine with the intent of creating a "national home for the Jewish people.

The Land of Israel is the region which, according to the Hebrew Bible, was promised by God to the descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac and to the Israelites, descendants of Jacob, Abraham's grandson. It constitutes the Promised Land and forms part of the Abrahamic, Jacob and Israel covenants. Mainstream Jewish tradition regards the promise as applying to all Jews, including descendants of converts.

Here is a map showing one interpretation of the borders of the Promised Land, based on God's promise to Abraham (Genesis 15):

Here is another map showing one interpretation of the borders of the Promised Land, based on God's promise to Moses (Numbers 34) and to Ezekiel (Ezekiel 47):

The Kingdom of Judah was the nation formed from the territories of the tribes of Judah, Simeon, and Benjamin, and was named after Judah, son of Jacob (Israel). Its capital was Jerusalem. The kingdom maintained a separate existence for three hundred and eighty-nine years. It occupied an area of about 8,900 km2 (3,436 sq mi).

In Nostradamus's day, modern day Israel did not exist, but the ancient "Land of Israel" (the Kingdom of Judah) had, and so this must be what he was referring to when he used the term Israel. Of course, it's possible that he used his ability to gain a sense of what Israel would be like today, so he very well could have been referring to the exact location of our modern day Israel as well. Either way, he mentions Israel as a major factor.

Modern day Israel, officially the State of Israel, is a country in Western Asia located on the eastern edge of the Mediterranean Sea. It borders Lebanon in the north, Syria in the northeast, Jordan in the east, and Egypt on the southwest, and contains geographically diverse features within its relatively small area. The West Bank and Gaza Strip are also adjacent. With a population of about 7.28 million, the majority of whom are Jews, Israel is the world's only Jewish state. It is also home to other ethnic groups, including most numerously Arab citizens of Israel, as well as many religious groups including Muslims, Christians, Druze, Samaritans and others.

Here is a map of the location of modern day Israel:

The other places listed above are in Spain and Italy. Apparently, Nostradamus is warning here that the troubles of Israel will spread to both Spain and Italy, causing war to erupt in those nations.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:48 am

I have read your interpretations of 'Nostradamus' very carefully and having studied this man myself, i feel you are some-what deluded.

You are taking each quatrain which is only an interpretation firstly and then adding your own interpretation.

Nostradamus was an incredibly complex writer often writing in anagrams and gaelic French. His quatrains are notoriously difficult to interperet.

Nostradamus was an astrologer and his predictions were calculated by the movement of the stars. he would por ink into a bowl of water to see his visions and claimed to be the only visionary who could hear sound as well as have sight into the future.

You have interpreted the quatrains you have quoted yourself to mostly link to China. When i studied Nostradamus, the trend then was that he mostly refered to 'The New World'... America.

If i get time, i will get my books out and try to find two quatrains for you predicted for after 2000.

One (interpretation) spoke of the New World.. America. Going from memory only, he spoke of buildings, tall and narrow, like boxes with square windows. 'A silver fish carrying men and arms' and i believe it also contains the line 'And great terror shall rain from the sky'.

Another predicted post 2000 speaks of (interpretation) 'And the first missile shall be fired from the East, one tenth of the New World will be annihilated, the great war will rage, but the Victor will be born on American soil.

I will try to get the exact quatrain posted up for you.

These quatrains i refer to and the one's you have quoted, i believe show more indication to America that China. If you wanted to compare The phophecies with today's conflict.... George Bush backed Israel in a threat to strike Iran. George Bush pledged ten years more of military aid and hardware to Israel to push back Gaza and the Palisistians.

The possible wars you interpreted could also be interpreted as America being the instigator of a Holy war against the West.

Nostradamus is interpreted to have named the first two anti-Christ. The first was Napoleon and The second was Hitler. The thirs anti-Christ yet to rise or even with us now was interpreted years ago as 'Rob Roy'. I don't believe i have seen any link to any Chinese leader for this.

Look to America in Nostradamus instead of China and i believe you will see more likeness in the interpretations.

Great writing Truthbringer.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:34 am

oscar;1100004 wrote: I have read your interpretations of 'Nostradamus' very carefully and having studied this man myself, i feel you are some-what deluded.

You are taking each quatrain which is only an interpretation firstly and then adding your own interpretation.

Nostradamus was an incredibly complex writer often writing in anagrams and gaelic French. His quatrains are notoriously difficult to interperet.

Nostradamus was an astrologer and his predictions were calculated by the movement of the stars. he would por ink into a bowl of water to see his visions and claimed to be the only visionary who could hear sound as well as have sight into the future.

You have interpreted the quatrains you have quoted yourself to mostly link to China. When i studied Nostradamus, the trend then was that he mostly refered to 'The New World'... America.

If i get time, i will get my books out and try to find two quatrains for you predicted for after 2000.

One (interpretation) spoke of the New World.. America. Going from memory only, he spoke of buildings, tall and narrow, like boxes with square windows. 'A silver fish carrying men and arms' and i believe it also contains the line 'And great terror shall rain from the sky'.

Another predicted post 2000 speaks of (interpretation) 'And the first missile shall be fired from the East, one tenth of the New World will be annihilated, the great war will rage, but the Victor will be born on American soil.

I will try to get the exact quatrain posted up for you.

These quatrains i refer to and the one's you have quoted, i believe show more indication to America that China. If you wanted to compare The phophecies with today's conflict.... George Bush backed Israel in a threat to strike Iran. George Bush pledged ten years more of military aid and hardware to Israel to push back Gaza and the Palisistians.

The possible wars you interpreted could also be interpreted as America being the instigator of a Holy war against the West.

Nostradamus is interpreted to have named the first two anti-Christ. The first was Napoleon and The second was Hitler. The thirs anti-Christ yet to rise or even with us now was interpreted years ago as 'Rob Roy'. I don't believe i have seen any link to any Chinese leader for this.

Look to America in Nostradamus instead of China and i believe you will see more likeness in the interpretations.

Great writing Truthbringer.

Well I definately want to thank you for being the first to comment on this thread. I am open to all criticism be it constructive or negative. However, I just want people to understand that what I am shooting for in this thread is to focus more on the geography of the prophecies themselves then exactly what countries will be involved. Luckily for all of us he does mention exact countries that will be involved, therefore removing some of the confusion as to which ones will be key players.

You mentioned that he speaks much about the New World. I do agree with you that he has many prophecies which could easily appear to be related to America. The part I disagree with you on however is that most of the prophecies I have posted in this thread so far have all contained the words "Orient", or "Oriental".

Now, given, that could easily mean any country in the Orient, and is not necessarily limited to China. However, he also mentions words like "Mongols" and "Central Asia". So...all I try to do is use both reasoning and logic to try and figure out what country of Central Asia/The Orient would have the current capabilities to launch the kind of attack that he paints a picture of for us, one that would disrupt much of if not all of Europe. Currently, the only country that comes to mind is China. Not only for it's influence in that part of the world but also because of it's current rise to military might. Japan of course would rival China, but Japan already had it's military day in the Sun during World War 2 as far as attempting to conquer it's neighbors, and expand it's territory, ect. Now it could be that one day Japan will move against the World again, but I just don't see it happening at this present time. All my reasoning and logic tells me that China is the key player that Nostradamus was writing about. However, as with all prophecies, only time will truly tell.

I also try to match what he states with some of the other prophecies from other Psychics, most notably Jean Dixon who also mentions China as a big player, from my other thread which I believe you mentioned you had read before. The thing I find interesting is that Nostradamus also gives clues that arabs/middle easterners will be involved as well. Which is something that Jean Dixon also claimed. She stated that certain Arab countries would join forces with the Chinese more of out convenience I am sure than out of friendship. And she also mentions that various African nations would join in on the side of the Chinese/Arabs as well. Nostradamus doesn't say too much about the African nations, but I do find little suttle hints that Orientals and Arabs will be involved in his quatrains.

I'm also glad that you appear to be enjoying what I write. Because believe it or not it does feel good for me to know that I may be having somewhat of a positive effect on you in that sense.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:49 am

TruthBringer;1100021 wrote: Well I definately want to thank you for being the first to comment on this thread. I am open to all criticism be it constructive or negative. However, I just want people to understand that what I am shooting for in this thread is to focus more on the geography of the prophecies themselves then exactly what countries will be involved. Luckily for all of us he does mention exact countries that will be involved, therefore removing some of the confusion as to which ones will be key players.

You mentioned that he speaks much about the New World. I do agree with you that he has many prophecies which could easily appear to be related to America. The part I disagree with you on however is that most of the prophecies I have posted in this thread so far have all contained the words "Orient", or "Oriental".

Now, given, that could easily mean any country in the Orient, and is not necessarily limited to China. However, he also mentions words like "Mongols" and "Central Asia". So...all I try to do is use both reasoning and logic to try and figure out what country of Central Asia/The Orient would have the current capabilities to launch the kind of attack that he paints a picture of for us, one that would disrupt much of if not all of Europe. Currently, the only country that comes to mind is China. Not only for it's influence in that part of the world but also because of it's current rise to military might. Japan of course would rival China, but Japan already had it's military day in the Sun during World War 2 as far as attempting to conquer it's neighbors, and expand it's territory, ect. Now it could be that one day Japan will move against the World again, but I just don't see it happening at this present time. All my reasoning and logic tells me that China is the key player that Nostradamus was writing about. However, as with all prophecies, only time will truly tell.

I must commend you you on your geographical research and i can see why you interpret his writings in the quatrains you have quoted as Mongolian and Chinese.

Yes, i agree that China has the increasing capibilty of bringing about such an attack.

I am looking more to the instigator and 'third anti-christ' that would bring China into the political arena with the Middle East today. This is why i believe that Bush's legacy and continual backing of Israel is the key for world unrest. Should we escalate into a Western war with Russia coming out in attack on America for it's positioning of missiles on the Eastern European borders, then i am in no doubt that China would side with Russia. I believe that this could stem from Bush's backing of israel against Palistine and Bush's pledge to back Israel if they strike Iran. If iran were indeed attacked with American backing, this could be the key for sparking China to rise up.

Another quatrain i must find is one where Nostradamus speaks of this war and it is interpreted as 'The safest place to be will be within the king of ten kings'. When i was studying him, this line was un-sure until Greece became the tenth country to join the Common Market. This would tie in nicely with your interpretation that Europe would be relatively safe compared to other parts of the world.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:15 am

oscar;1100025 wrote: I must commend you you on your geographical research and i can see why you interpret his writings in the quatrains you have quoted as Mongolian and Chinese.

Yes, i agree that China has the increasing capibilty of bringing about such an attack.

I am looking more to the instigator and 'third anti-christ' that would bring China into the political arena with the Middle East today. This is why i believe that Bush's legacy and continual backing of Israel is the key for world unrest. Should we escalate into a Western war with Russia coming out in attack on America for it's positioning of missiles on the Eastern European borders, then i am in no doubt that China would side with Russia. I believe that this could stem from Bush's backing of israel against Palistine and Bush's pledge to back Israel if they strike Iran. If iran were indeed attacked with American backing, this could be the key for sparking China to rise up.

Another quatrain i must find is one where Nostradamus speaks of this war and it is interpreted as 'The safest place to be will be within the king of ten kings'. When i was studying him, this line was un-sure until Greece became the tenth country to join the Common Market. This would tie in nicely with your interpretation that Europe would be relatively safe compared to other parts of the world.

Good to see you looking into it yourself. We could all use the insight my friend. Thanks again.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:16 am

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"From Monaco as far as Sicily,

All the sea coast will be left desolate:

There shall be no suburbs, cities, nor towns,

which will not be pillaged and violated by Barbarians."

NOTE:

Here the prediction is obvious. According to Nostradamus, some of the battles of World War 3 will take place along the sea coast of Italy and in parts of Europe. Monaco is a city-state in Western Europe located along the French Riviera between the Mediterranean Sea and France. Sicily is an autonomous region of Italy and the largest island in the Mediterranean Sea.

Map of Monaco:

Throughout much of its history, Sicily has been considered a crucial strategic location due in large part to its importance for Mediterranean trade routes.

Map of Sicily:

He also says that there will barely be any towns, cities, or suburbs along this coast that will not be "pillaged and violated by Barbarians." With that statement I personally believe he is making reference to the Chinese/Mongolian army as well as the Arabs that are predicted to invade that part of the World during World War 3.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:25 am

I would like to say that I usually read your posts with interest. However, I am ignorant in the subject matter and so I really don't have anything useful I can post.

I can add this, however. I have been concerned about China since the 80s when I saw how they were amassing their military.

Unlike the rest of the world, they have the lessons of previous dynasties to learn from. They have never stopped being an empire and they have already been great once.

Their citizens believe in their rulers and they will be formidable foes.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:13 pm

Scrat;1100625 wrote: I really don't understand why people think this of China. While it is a mighty power, it is also extremely vulnerable in turn. If you think about it in a strategic sense with Chinas agression in mind, just what are they going to do?

The most probable things would be to shift control of say the straights of Malacca and the Phillipiines to dominate the trade routes in the area. Another would be for them to seize Siberia, gaining control of almost unlimited resources. A miitary venture over the Himalayas into south central asia is to say the least pure fantasy.

If China were to do something along the lines of trying to control the seas and trade routes militarily to its south it at best would be extremely costly and considering the fact that between Australia, Japan, India and the US it frankly wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell of working.

Going after Siberia would bring about the same result only in a different way. I am really amused by the military geniuses who think some country could actually pull this off. They say Russia would be incapable of an adequate response ect. They're flatout wrong.

Anything crossing the border in Russias far east will simply disappear in a nuclear fireball. Russia doesn't need 10,000 modern MBTs there to defend herself. Any beachhead, any armoured spearhead from an aggressor crossing the Siberian frontier will be radioactive scrap metal in short order.

Russias defence policy allows for this. All major cities will be evacuated, the lay of the land also allows for maximum retaliation with little or no impact to infrastructure or catastrophic consequences to the people that live there. Russia will essentially be nuking her own territory, not someone elses.

Any retaliation by the offenders will have to take into account that they are far more vulnerable to Russias anger than the Russians are to theirs. Europe, India, China and America all have huge cities with millions of people. Russia has smaller cities and in the past has invested heavily in civil defence.

China going west is essentially a WWI scenario all over again. China can't be threat, they cannot profit from war and expansionist policy of a militarily forceful nature.

Lets hope you're right Scrat. I don't want this war to take place either. But I do need to do this for myself and those interested so we can get a clearer image of what Nostradamus had predicted.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:59 pm

OpenMind;1100410 wrote: I would like to say that I usually read your posts with interest. However, I am ignorant in the subject matter and so I really don't have anything useful I can post.

I can add this, however. I have been concerned about China since the 80s when I saw how they were amassing their military.

Unlike the rest of the world, they have the lessons of previous dynasties to learn from. They have never stopped being an empire and they have already been great once.

Their citizens believe in their rulers and they will be formidable foes.

Well I agree with you on that one Open. And I have read some of your posts before and you do have some good things to add to the discussion. You are right that they would be dangerous to any country that goes to war with them.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:41 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"Frejus, Antibes, the towns around nice,

will be greatly devastated from sea and land.

Locusts with favourable wind by land and sea,

Captured, dead, trussed up, plundered, without law of war."

NOTE:

In this one it appears that he is talking about the same Chinese/Muslim/African army from before, and it seems that he is showing us another set of areas that they will be attacking. Frejus, Antibes, and the towns around nice. All of those cities are in France. So indeed it does appear that France is going to be attacked during World War 3.

Fréjus is a coastal town on the CÃ´te d'Azur and commune in the Var department, in the Provence-Alpes-CÃ´te d'Azur region of southern France. It neighbours Saint-RaphaÃ«l, Var, effectively forming one town. The north of the commune forms part of the Estérel Massif. Its population in 2004 was 50,536.

Map of Frejus area:

Antibes is a resort town in the Alpes-Maritimes department in southeastern France, on the Mediterranean Sea in the CÃ´te d'Azur, located between Cannes and Nice.

Antibes is a leisure-industry town affectionately called Antibes-Juan-les-Pins.

Map of Antibes area:

Nice is a city in southern France located on the Mediterranean coast, between Marseille, France, and Genoa, Italy, with 1,197,751 inhabitants in the 2007 estimate. The city is a major tourist centre and a leading resort on the French Riviera (CÃ´te d'Azur). It is the historical capital city of the County of Nice.

Map of Nice area:

It is interesting that most all of those cities are located on the Coastline of Southern France. It would make sense that these areas would be attacked by Sea, first, and then invaded.

We don't need to ask ourselves what the outcome of the attacks will be, because Nostradamus lays it out for us when he states that they, "Will be greatly devastated from Sea and Land".

So bam...there it is. He appears to be describing a massive attack on these cities because he makes a point to say that they will be "greatly" devastated. Not just from the Sea (A Naval attack), but by Land (An invasion).

Then he gives us a hint that seems to point to the fact that these forces who will attack Southern France will not have much weather problems at all to block their way. He states that, "Locusts with favourable wind by land and sea". The "locusts" I would presume to be the attacking forces (The Chinese navy + the Arab fleets as well), and the "favorable wind by land and sea" I would take to mean good/favorable weather conditions.

And lastly he goes on in more detail to explain what will happen to the above 3 cities of France when he states that they will be, "Captured, dead, trussed up, plundered, without law of war". I take this to mean the obvious first, which is that these cities will be "Captured", and thereby showing us the outcome of the battle, which is that these 3 cities will lose their fight and be taken by the attacking forces. Then he says that they will be "Dead" thereby showing us the total devastation that will occur, "Trussed Up" (tightly secured by the attacking forces), and "Plundered "(Looted). So he gives us a very detailed description of the attacks on the cities as well as the aftermath of those attacks.

And finally he states that this will all be done "Without law of war" which I take to mean either an attack that will be by total surprise, or an attack that will be so brutal that it falls outside of the normal boundries/guidelines for war.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:44 am

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"I cry for Nice, Monaco, Pisa, Genoa,

Savona, Sienna, Capua, Modena and Malta,

Which will be bloodied in the fighting

The war and earthquakes and the

revolution will cause unwanted unhappiness."

NOTE:

In this one I believe that Nostradamus again gives us a vision of who will be attacked during World War 3. The cities above are located in France, Italy, and parts of western and southern Europe. He makes a claim that he "cries" for these cities/countries, and that there will be much bloodshed and even Earthquakes. He also mentions that there will be "revolution" as well. Possibly from the citizens of these areas.

Pisa is a city in Tuscany, central Italy, on the right bank of the mouth of the Arno River on the Ligurian Sea. It is the capital city of the Province of Pisa. The city is known worldwide for its famous bell tower.

Map of Central Italy/Pisa area:

Genoa is a city and an important seaport in northern Italy, the capital of the Province of Genoa and of the region of Liguria. The city has a population of about 620,000 and the urban area has a population of about 890,000.

Map of Genoa area/Italy:

Savona is a seaport and comune in the northern Italian region of Liguria, capital of the Province of Savona, in the Riviera di Ponente on the Mediterranean Sea.

Map of Northern Italy/Savona Area:

Siena is a city in Tuscany, Italy. It is the capital of the province of Siena.

Map of Siena area/Central Italy:

Capua is a city in the province of Caserta, Campania, Italy situated 25 km (16 mi) north of Naples, on the northeastern edge of the Campanian plain.

Map of Capua area/Italy:

Modena is a city and a comune (municipality) on the south side of the Po valley, in the Province of Modena in the Emilia-Romagna region of Italy.

Map of Modena area/Italy:

Malta is a small and densely populated European microstate, comprising an archipelago of seven islands, making it an island nation. Situated in Southern Europe, 93 km (58 mi) off the coast of Sicily (Italy), it is located in the Mediterranean Sea, giving the country a warm, Mediterranean climate, while a further 288 km (179 mi) to the island's west is Tunisia and about 300 km (186 mi) south is Libya. Valletta is in practice the nation's capital city.

Map of Malta area:

Nostradamus claims that all of the above cities/states will be "bloodied in the fighting". So keep an eye out for attacks on all of these cities during World War 3.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:40 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"Pau, Verona, Vicenza, Saragosse,

Foreign swords wet the Land with blood,

Plague will come in a shell,

Though relief is near, the remedy is still far off."

NOTE:

Again it appears that parts of Spain and Italy are slated to be attacked during World War 3. When Nostradamus says, "Plague will come in a shell", perhaps he means like a canister or something. Perhaps he is referring to the "Germ Warfare" that Jeane Dixon spoke about as well.

He says foreign swords (or weapons) will wet the land with blood. I am guessing these will either be the Orientals or the Arabs.

Pau is a comune (municipality) in the Province of Oristano in the Italian region Sardinia, located about 70 km northwest of Cagliari and about 20 km southeast of Oristano. As of 31 December 2004, it had a population of 330 and an area of 14.1 km².

Map of Pau/Italy area:

Verona is one of the seven provincial capitals in Veneto, Northern Italy and it has the second largest population in Triveneto (an area formed by the three regions of Veneto, Trentino – Alto Adige and Friuli – Venezia Giulia).

Verona is visited every year by hundreds of thousands of tourists because of its artistic beauties, several annual fairs, shows and operas, such as the lyrical season in the Arena, the ancient amphitheatre built by the Romans.

Map of Verona/Northern Italy area:

Vicenza, a city in northern Italy, is the capital of the eponymous province in the Veneto region, at the northern base of the Monte Berico, straddling the Bacchiglione. Vicenza is approximately 60 km west of Venice and 200 km east of Milan. As of 2007, Vicenza had an estimated population of 119,038. Vicenza is the third largest Italian industrial city by export.

Map of Vicenza/Italy area:

Zaragoza, also called Saragossa in English, is the capital city of the Zaragoza province and of the autonomous community and former Kingdom of Aragon, Spain. It is situated on the river Ebro and its tributaries, the Huerva and GÃ¡llego, near the centre of the region, in a valley with a variety of landscapes, ranging from desert (Los Monegros) to thick forest, meadows and mountains.

The population of the city of Zaragoza in 2008 was 682,283, ranking fifth in Spain. The population of the metropolitan area was estimated in 2006 at 783,763 inhabitants. The municipality is home to more than 50 percent of the Aragonese population. The city lies at an altitude of 199 metres above sea level, and constitutes a crossroads between Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia, Bilbao and Toulouse (France) — all of which are located about 300 kilometres (200 miles) from Zaragoza.

Map of Sargossa/Spain Area:

All of the above areas it appears that Nostradamus states will be attacked during World War 3. He states that "Foreign swords wet the Land with blood" thereby showing us that the attacks will indeed come from foreign countries.

He also states that these cities/areas will be inflicted with a "Plague" that will "come in a shell". I take this to mean a canister/container that will carry some type of biological agent. And so therefore it does appear that the areas of Pau, Verona, Vicenza, and Saragosse could soon suffer a biological/germ warfare type of attack.

Possibly the worst part of the "Plague" prediction is that he also states that "Though relief is near, the remedy is still far off". Thereby showing us that there may be immediate relief from the attack, but that the cure for it's agent/disease may not be available/discovered for a long period of time.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:37 am

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"The time will be filthy, pestilent and violent,

A terrible Moslem attack and invasion.

Great disasters are made in April

And great persons will be ridiculed,"

NOTE:

Here it looks like Nostradamus is describing an attack from the Arab and African Muslims during World War 3 which will be "terrible" in his own words. This must mean pretty major. He also makes a point to state that there will be an "invasion". I'm guessing this will be on land. Then he goes on to say that "Great disasters are made in April". This could mean either natural or man made disasters. But the important month to watch out for would be April.

He also goes on to say that "great persons" will be "ridiculed". I take this to mean high level officials or high members of organizations such as heads of churches/states being ridiculed/criticized by these very same Muslim groups/sects.

It has been said by Jeane Dixon that the certain African nations/Arab nations will join the side of the Chinese during World War 3. Here it would appear that Nostradamus confirms that when he states that "Moslems" will definately play a role in it. I am guessing this refers to both Arab Muslims as well as African Muslims who will side with the Chinese.

It's interesting to note that Nostradamus uses the term "Moslem" instead of Muslim. Both words basicly mean the same thing. When Baby Boomers were children it was Moslem. The American Heritage Dictionary (1992) noted, "Moslem is the form predominantly preferred in journalism and popular usage. Muslim is preferred by scholars and by English-speaking adherents of Islam." No more. Now, almost everybody uses Muslim.

According to the Center for Nonproliferation Studies, "Moslem and Muslim are basically two different spellings for the same word."

Nostradamus also begins the quatrain by stating that during the time of these attacks, it will be filthy (dirty), pestilent (producing or tending to produce infectious or contagious, often epidemic, disease), and violent (marked by extreme force or sudden intense activity).

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:08 am

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"The cruel sect of the Moslems will come,

Hiding weapons under their robes.

Their leader will take Florence and burn it twice,

Sending ahead clever men without laws."

NOTE:

Alright now this part is important, because the Iranians, and other Arabs are supposed to join forces with the Chinese army during World War 3. According to various predictions from various sources anyways. So...this is what it appears to be. It is a prediction about a "cruel sect" of the Moslem religion that will come to Florence, Italy, and who will have weapons hidden under their robes. What kind of weapons? Who knows. Only time will tell. But Nostradamus makes it very clear that they will "take" the city of Florence, and "burn it twice". So obviously, this must be some kind of attack from the Muslim Arabs/Africans that will have already joined in on the side of the Chinese during World War 3. And he gives the exact location of the attack. Florence, Italy. You don't get a much more precise prediction than that.

He also states that "clever men" will be sent in "without laws". The worst kind of people shall we say. Those who are extremely smart but who have no morals.

Florence is the capital city of the Italian region of Tuscany, and of the province of Florence. It is the most populous city in Tuscany and has a population of 364,779 (696,767 in the urban area). The city lies on the Arno River and is known for its history and its importance in the Middle Ages and in the Renaissance, especially for its art and architecture. A centre of medieval European trade and finance, the city is often considered the birthplace of the Italian Renaissance; in fact, it has been called the Athens of the Middle Ages. It was long under the de facto rule of the Medici family. From 1865 to 1870 the city was also the capital of the Kingdom of Italy. The historic centre of Florence continues to attract millions of tourists each year.

Map of Florence/Italy area:

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:04 am

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"Very near the Tiber death threatens,

Shortly after the great flood.

The head of the church

will be taken prisoner and cast out,

the castle and the Palace in flames."

NOTE:

This one appears to be an event/battle that will take place during World War 3 just after a flood that will occur possibly due to an overflow of the Tiber river in Italy. Then Nostradamus talks about "the head of the church" being taken prisoner. Could this be the Pope? Or a high official of the Catholic Church? Only time will tell.

Whoever it is, Nostradamus says that he will be "taken prisoner" and then "cast out". Perhaps that could mean two things. That he will either be taken prisoner and then released somewhere outside of the country, or....that he will be taken prisoner, and then killed.

I'm assuming this prediction falls into place with the above 2 predictions related to the "Moslem" invasion of Italy. Clearly there is currently much hatred towards Christianity from the extremist Muslims of the World, and....Nostradamus says that it will be these extremists who will attack parts of Europe including Italy. So one could easily conclude that he is giving us a picture of some kind of another successful attack from the "Cruel Sect" of the Muslims against a high leader of a/the church in Italy. We know he will be a high official because Nostradamus stated that he will be the "head" of the church.

Nostradamus also goes on to say that the "castle" and "palace" will be in flames. Castle and Palace? This could be a description of Vatican City, Rome. But clearly it shows that these two structures/buildings wherever they may be will be lit ablaze by the attackers.

The Tiber is the third-longest river in Italy, rising in the Apennine mountains in Emilia-Romagna and flowing 406 kilometres through Umbria and Lazio to the Tyrrhenian Sea. It drains a basin estimated at 18,000 km². The river has achieved lasting fame as the main watercourse of the city of Rome, founded on its eastern banks.

Here is yet another clue that it may be the city of Rome, Italy (the home of the Pope) that will be under attack during this time. The clue is the Tiber river, because the river is so close to the city, and is also the main watercourse for it and it's inhabitants.

A map of the location of the Tiber River in Italy:

A view of the Tiber looking towards the Vatican City:

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:10 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"France will be attacked on five sides

because of her negligence,

Tunisia and Algeria will be incited

against by the (Iranians).

Leon, Seville and Barcelona will give way

And will not be saved by Italy's army."

NOTE:

This prediction seems to represent many different attacks that will take place during World War 3. The first obvious one appears to be against France. Nostradamus states that "France will be attacked on five sides". That sounds like one hell of a strike if you ask me.

Then he gives us a clue as to who will be the perpetrators (those responsible for the attacks). He hints that the countries of Tunisia and Algeria will both be brought into the conflict and will join the side of the Arabian (Iranian) army during World War 3. Nostradamus makes it appear that Tunisia and Algeria will join the side of the Arab army when he states that they will be "Incited" (to urge to action; stir up; rouse) "against" (in opposition or hostility to) the above 4 places including France, Leon, Seville and Barcelona .

So what this prediction appears to be is a prediction that three countries, Iran, Tunisia and Algeria, will attack the areas of France, Leon, Seville and Barcelona. These are some of the different countries that Nostradamus says will be involved in the fighting.

Leon, Seville and Barcelona are 3 cities located in Spain. So here we see that Spain is going to be attacked as well as France. And on the very last line he states that these 3 cities in Spain "will not be saved by Italy's army." Which must mean that Italy will also be involved in the battle and will attempt to rescue Spain from the attacks, but will fail in its attempt to do so.

What I find extremely interesting is that both of the countries of Tunisia and Algeria are located in North Africa. Jeane Dixon predicted that one day soon certain African nations will join sides with the Arabian and the Chinese armies and take up arms against much of Europe. Here it would look as though Nostradamus so many centuries before her is confirming the very same prophecy.

Tunisia is a country located in North Africa. It is bordered by Algeria to the west and Libya to the southeast. It is the northernmost country on the African continent, and the smallest of the nations situated along the Atlas mountain range. Around forty percent of the country is composed of the Sahara desert, with much of the remainder consisting of particularly fertile soil and a 1300 km coastline. Both played a prominent role in ancient times, first with the famous Phoenician city of Carthage, then as the Africa Province which became known as the bread basket of the Roman Empire, and then as the Maghreb region of various medieval Islamic states. Tunisia ranks high among Arab and African nations in reports released by The World Economic Forum. In the 2008-2009 version, it is first in Africa and 36th globally for economic competitiveness, well ahead of Portugal, Italy and Greece. It currently lies at the penultimate stage of development: efficiency-driven economies.

The religion in Tunisia is 98% Islam.

Map of the location of Tunisia:

Algeria is a country located in North Africa. It is the largest country of the Mediterranean sea, the second largest on the African continent, and the eleventh-largest country in the world in terms of land area. It is bordered by Tunisia in the northeast, Libya in the east, Niger in the southeast, Mali and Mauritania in the southwest, a few kilometers of the Western Sahara in the west, Morocco in the northwest, and the Mediterranean Sea in the north. Its size is almost 2,400,000 km² with an estimated population near to 35,000,000. The capital is Algiers.

The religion in Algeria is 99% Islam.

Map of the location of Algeria:

Iran formerly known internationally as Persia until 1935, is a country in Central Eurasia, located on the northeastern shore of the Persian Gulf. Since 1949, both the names "Persia" and "Iran" are used, however, Iran is used for an official and political context. The name Iran is a cognate of Aryan, and means "Land of the Aryans". The 18th largest country in the world in terms of area at 1,648,195 km², Iran has a population of over seventy million. It is a country of special geostrategic significance due to its central location in Eurasia. Iran is bordered on the north by Armenia, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan. As Iran is a littoral state of the Caspian Sea, which is an inland sea and condominium, Kazakhstan and Russia are also Iran's direct neighbors to the north. Iran is bordered on the east by Afghanistan and Pakistan, on the south by the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman, and on the west by Turkey and Iraq. Tehran is the capital, the country's largest city and the political, cultural, commercial, and industrial center of the nation. Iran is a regional power and occupies an important position in international energy security and world economy as a result of its large reserves of petroleum and natural gas. Iran is home to one of the world's oldest continuous major civilizations, with historical and urban settlements dating back to 4000 BC.

The Religion in Iran is 98% Islam.

Map of the location of Iran:

Tunisia, Algeria, and Iran. All of which according to Nostradmus will launch attacks against the following 4 areas during World War 3:

1. France

France is a country whose metropolitan territory is located in Western Europe and that also comprises various overseas islands and territories located in other continents. Metropolitan France extends from the Mediterranean Sea to the English Channel and the North Sea, and from the Rhine to the Atlantic Ocean. It is often referred to as L’Hexagone (The “Hexagon”) because of the geometric shape of its territory. France is a unitary semi-presidential republic with its main ideals expressed in the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen. Metropolitan France is bordered (in clockwise direction from the north) by Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Monaco, Andorra, and Spain. France's overseas departments and collectivities also share land borders with Brazil and Suriname (bordering French Guiana), and the Netherlands Antilles (bordering Saint-Martin). France is linked to the United Kingdom by the Channel Tunnel, which passes underneath the English Channel. France is the largest country in the European Union and the second largest in Europe, France has been one of the world's foremost powers for many centuries. During the 17th and 18th centuries, France colonized much of North America; during the 19th and early 20th centuries, France built one of the largest colonial empires of the time, including large portions of North, West and Central Africa, Southeast Asia, and many Pacific islands. France is a developed country, possessing the sixth (nominal GDP) or eighth (PPP) largest economy in the world. It is the most visited country in the world, receiving 82 million foreign tourists annually. France is one of the founding members of the European Union, and has the largest land area of all members.

Map of the location of France:

2. Leon, Spain

The city of LeÃ³n is the capital of LeÃ³n province in the autonomous community of Castile and LeÃ³n, in northwest Spain. Its population of 136,985 (2006) makes it the largest municipality in the province, accounting for over one quarter of the province's population. Its urban area population is calculated at 204,212 (2006).

Map of the location of Leon, Spain:

3. Seville, Spain

Seville is the artistic, cultural, and financial capital of southern Spain. It is the capital of Andalusia and of the province of Seville. It is situated on the plain of the River Guadalquivir, with an average elevation of 7 metres (23 ft) above sea level. The inhabitants of the city are known as Sevillanos. The population of the city of Seville was 699,145 as of 2007 (INE estimate). The population of the metropolitan area (urban area plus satellite towns) was 1,450,214 as of 2007 (INE estimate), ranking as the fourth largest metropolitan area of Spain.

Map of the location of Seville, Spain:

4. Barcelona, Spain

Barcelona is the capital and most populous city of the Autonomous Community of Catalonia and the second largest city in Spain, with a population of 1,615,908 in 2008, while the population of the Metropolitan Area was 3,161,081. It is the central nucleus of the Urban Region of Barcelona, which relies on a population of about 5.5 million. It is located on the Mediterranean coast between the mouths of the rivers Llobregat and BesÃ²s and is limited to the west by the Serra de Collserola ridge (512 m/1,680 ft). Barcelona is a major economic centre with one of Europe's principal Mediterranean ports, and Barcelona International Airport is the second largest in Spain after Madrid-Barajas Airport.

Map of the location of Barcelona, Spain:

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:26 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"From the East will come a dreadful act

Which will strike at the Adriatic sea

and the heirs of Romulus

With the (libyan) fleet,

Fear and tremble the inhabitants of

Malta and its archipeligo."

NOTE:

This one appears to be about a major type of attack (possibly a nuclear strike) during World War 3 that will originate from the east of the Adriatic Sea and from what Nostradamus says it looks like it will strike the Adriatic Sea itself. The Adriatic Sea is a body of water separating the Apennine peninsula from the Balkan peninsula, and the system of the Apennine Mountains from that of the Dinaric Alps and adjacent ranges. The Adriatic Sea is a part of the Mediterranean Sea.

He also states that this same attack will strike at the "Heirs of Romulus". Romulus is supposably one of the names of the two twins that founded the city of Rome. According to Roman tradition, the city was founded by the twins Romulus and Remus on April 21, 753 BC. So therefore we have a clue given to us that the city of Rome may also suffer damage from this "dreadful act" which according to Nostradamus will strike at it.

The name Romulus could also apply to Romulus Augustus, who was the last Western Roman Emperor reigning from 31 October 475 to 4 September 476. His deposition in 476 is used to mark the end of the Western Roman Empire, the fall of ancient Rome, and the beginning of the Middle Ages in Europe. So here we have yet another clue that Nostradamus was referring to an attack on the city of Rome.

The word "Heirs" means people who inherit or are entitled to inherit property. Nostradamus says that the attack will be on the "heirs of Romulus" or what I take to mean those people that have inherited the city of Rome and are living in it today. So again, here is another clue that Rome will be the target of the strike.

Also in this prediction Nostradamus gives a clue as to where the attack might come from. Possibly from the Arabian fleet. This would make sense because the Muslim/Islamic Extremists of the World would love to be able to destroy the city of Rome due to its historical importance to Christianity and Christians. Rome has a significant place in the story of Christianity up to the present day, for it endures as the home of the papacy. The worldwide Roman Catholic Church is administered from the Vatican City, run by the Holy See as an independent enclave and the world's smallest sovereign state.

So therefore we should keep a watchful eye out for the city of Rome, Italy to be attacked during World War 3 and that will result in a "dreadful act" being committed according to Nostradamus which could very well be the result of a nuclear bomb or device.

Nostradamus also states that this attack on Rome will cause "Fear" and that people will "tremble" because of it even as far away as in "Malta" (A country of Southern Europe) "and its archipeligo" (Its surrounding Islands). Malta lies south of Sicily, east of Tunisia, and north of Libya. So basicly it looks as though he is saying that the attack on Rome will cause the "inhabitants" or people of Malta to cower in fear and tremble. This gives us a clue as to just how big the scope of the attack will really be.

The Adriatic Sea is a body of water separating the Italian Peninsula from the Balkan peninsula, and the system of the Apennine Mountains from that of the Dinaric Alps and adjacent ranges. The Adriatic Sea is a part of the Mediterranean Sea. The western coast is Italian, while the eastern coast runs mostly along Croatia, Montenegro and Albania but lesser parts belong to Slovenia and Bosnia and Herzegovina (26 km). Major rivers joining the Adriatic are the Reno, Po, Adige, Brenta, Piave, Soča/Isonzo, Zrmanja, Krka, Cetina, Neretva, Drin (Drini).

A map of the location of the Adriatic sea:

Rome is the capital city of Italy and Lazio and is Italy's largest and most populous city, with 2,705,317 residents, an urban area of 3,457,690, as well as a metropolitan area of 4,013,057 inhabitants spread over a 5,352 km² area. It is located in the central-western portion of the Italian peninsula, on the Tiber river. Rome's history as a city spans over two and a half thousand years, as one of the founding cities of Western Civilization.

A map of the location of the city of Rome, Italy:

Malta is a small and densely populated European microstate comprising an archipelago of seven islands, making it an island nation. Situated in Southern Europe, 93 km (58 mi) off the coast of Sicily (Italy), it is located in the Mediterranean Sea, giving the country a warm, Mediterranean climate, while a further 288 km (179 mi) to the island's west is Tunisia and about 300 km (186 mi) south is Libya. Valletta is in practice the nation's capital city. Throughout much of its history, Malta has been considered a crucial strategic location due in large part its position in the Mediterranean Sea.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:02 pm

In the event of ww111, there is no doubt that America, Britain Australia etc and the whole of Europe will side. The Chinese, the Russians and the Middle East will not be able to defeat this allience although there is no doubt they will bring much destruction.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:41 pm

Good assesment Oscar. The only thing I disagree with is that The Russians will side with the Chinese. I don't see this happening. And I must admit it has alot to do with what I have studied in prophecy as well.

Edgar Cayce stated that Russia would one day become the hope of the World. He stated that in reference to his other comments about World War 3.

Jeane Dixon herself stated that Russia would aid the United States in defeating the Chinese Communist Army.

Surely England, France, Spain, Italy, and the United States will have their hands full with the armies of the North Africans, the Chinese, and the Arabs.

Russia is the wild card. Russia could tilt the balance in our favor.

According to Nostradamus, France is going to be assaulted in so many different ways, that it will have to put all of it's strength into defending it's own borders. So France will not be much help against the outside military conflicts that will be occuring at the same time.

Same goes for Spain. Spain is supposed to suffer some massive attacks during this period. No way for Spain to concentrate on fighting battles that are raging outside of it's boundaries either.

And Italy. Italy is supposed to get whooped. I mean Nostradamus makes it plainly clear that the city of Rome will fall and be burned. So Italy most likely won't be any help at all.

Israel at this time will most likely be invaded by every opposing country in the entire Middle East. If it even is able to survive the attacks it would experience, it would be a miracle. So Israel would not be much help either.

So that leaves who? England, and the United States, to fend off the entire Chinese army, the African nations who will have joined, and the entire Arabian army as well? England and the United States by themselves I don't believe can succeed. This is where I pray that Russia will come in as an ally. If not, and you are right that Russia would choose to join the other side, then I don't see how we could win the war. It would just be too much power against us.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:24 pm

TruthBringer;1111000 wrote: Good assesment Oscar. The only thing I disagree with is that The Russians will side with the Chinese. I don't see this happening. And I must admit it has alot to do with what I have studied in prophecy as well.

Edgar Cayce stated that Russia would one day become the hope of the World. He stated that in reference to his other comments about World War 3.

Jeane Dixon herself stated that Russia would aid the United States in defeating the Chinese Communist Army.

Surely England, France, Spain, Italy, and the United States will have their hands full with the armies of the North Africans, the Chinese, and the Arabs.

Russia is the wild card. Russia could tilt the balance in our favor.

According to Nostradamus, France is going to be assaulted in so many different ways, that it will have to put all of it's strength into defending it's own borders. So France will not be much help against the outside military conflicts that will be occuring at the same time.

Same goes for Spain. Spain is supposed to suffer some massive attacks during this period. No way for Spain to concentrate on fighting battles that are raging outside of it's boundaries either.

And Italy. Italy is supposed to get whooped. I mean Nostradamus makes it plainly clear that the city of Rome will fall and be burned. So Italy most likely won't be any help at all.

Israel at this time will most likely be invaded by every opposing country in the entire Middle East. If it even is able to survive the attacks it would experience, it would be a miracle. So Israel would not be much help either.

So that leaves who? England, and the United States, to fend off the entire Chinese army, the African nations who will have joined, and the entire Arabian army as well? England and the United States by themselves I don't believe can succeed. This is where I pray that Russia will come in as an ally. If not, and you are right that Russia would choose to join the other side, then I don't see how we could win the war. It would just be too much power against us.

I promised to research my books from when i studied Nostradamus and i just have not had time. However, i do distinctly remember one phrophecy post 2000, which spoke of,

The first missle shall be fired from the East,

One tenth of the new world (America) will be anhiliated

The safest place is within the king of ten kings

The victor will be born on American soil.

Now, that was just an interpretation and the 'King of ten kings' was perplexing until Greece became the 10th country to join the EU.

Russia certainly is the wild card. Russia is outside of the European Union at present. They have already issued their threat to the President Elect Obama to remove warheads from Eastern Europe, Poland which is part of the EU. Britain gives America the backing at present for these warheads but i think if it came to war, Russia would be fool hardy to back China and it's possible they will want to stay with the Eastern European bloc and join Britain and America.

The difficulty i have is with France being assaulted by many ways. An attack on France would be an attack on Britain as France is also EU but Britain's closest neighbour. It's hard to imagine war raging in France only 26 miles across the sea from Britain. At the moment, Italy has very much a fascist rule and i can see this being a huge problem.

I believe your spot on re: Israel and Israel will be the centre pin for the Arabs to conquer.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:41 am

mnclcats;1111029 wrote: I know this is so much easier said than done, but why couldn't there have been any predictions about massive world Peace? Negativity is so evil and is spread faster than anything - it would be a wonderful thing if there was a pill or drink or shot that could be given to the "evil-doers" - now that would be a sight to see! Ahhhh....dreams and wishful thinking - it's a wonderful thing.

Nostradamus does predict peace by 2020. However, you only have to look at the way the conflict is going in the Middle East to realise that this is brewing up for a maga storm.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:18 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"A missile is seen in the night sky

Near the source of the Rhone.

Famine and war will come, and help

will be too late.

When (Iran) mobilizes to invade Macedonia."

NOTE:

In this prediction Nostradamus describes a missile flying through the air in the night sky during World War 3, and near the source of the "Rhone" or what I would take to be the Rhone River (a major river in Europe). He then states that "Famine and war will come (perhaps as a result of the missile strike)", but that "help will be too late." And he also gives us a clue as to when this event will occur, because he states that at this exact time the Arab army will be preparing to "invade Macedonia" (a geographical and historical region of the Balkan peninsula in southeastern Europe).

The Medieval Macedonia, the one Nostradamus would have been familiar with, was much different than the Macedonia of today. Therefore I believe he was referring to the Macedonia region during the Medieval ages, which spanned a much wider area and contained more land within its borders.

As far as the "Missile" that Nostradamus claims will be seen flying through the air "in the night sky" (at night) near the source of the Rhone river, I have a theory at the moment that this might very well relate to the same "dreadful act" that Nostradamus mentioned in the prophecy before this one. The one relating to the attack on the city of Rome, Italy. The reason I believe this to be the case, is because Nostradamus states that the missile will be seen near the "source of the Rhone". This gives us a clue as to where the missile might strike, because the main source of the Rhone river is actually the large glaciers of the massifs of Monte Rosa, Dom, and Grand Combin. The Monte Rosa Massif located in the eastern part of the Pennine Alps. It is located between Switzerland (Valais) and Italy (Piedmont and Aosta Valley).

Piedmont is one of the 20 Regions of Italy. It has an area of 25,399 km² and a population of about 4.4 million. The capital is Turin, the local dialect is Piedmontese and Occitan is also spoken although it is not an official language and it could be considered like a dialect, spoken by a minority in the so called Occitan Valleys. The name is a contraction of the Italian "Ai piedi del monte", meaning "At the base of the mountain".

The Aosta Valley is a mountainous autonomous region in north-western Italy. It is bordered by France to the west, Switzerland to the north and the region of Piedmont to the south and east. With an area of 3,263 km² and a population of about 120,000, it is the smallest, least populous, and least densely populated region of Italy. It is the only Italian region which has no provinces (the province of Valle d'Aosta was dissolved in 1945).

So it is entirely possible that those living within the regions of Piedmont and the Aosta Valley of Italy will be able to see the "missile" flying through the night sky toward the city of Rome, Italy.

After the missile strikes, Nostradamus states that "famine and war" will come. This could be a description of the aftermath of a Nuclear or biological strike on Italy. "Help will be too late" would make sense because the strike would be so quick that there may not be anything that could be done to prevent it.

And of course, as mentioned before, all while this is taking place, the Arab army will be preparing to "invade" the areas of what used to be Medieval Macedonia.

The Rhone, or the RhÃ´ne is one of the major rivers of Europe, running through Switzerland and France. Near its mouth, the river divides into two branches, known as the Grand RhÃ´ne and the Petit RhÃ´ne.

A map of the areas of Medieval Macedonia (Where the Arab army is supposed to invade):

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:55 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"The sky will burn at forty-five degrees,

Fire approaches the great new city,

On the instant a great scattered flame leaps up,

When they will want proof of the Normans."

NOTE:

In this prediction it almost looks as if Nostradamus is describing a modern day nuclear bomb exploding either next to or right above a city. He describes this even clearer when he mentions that "on the instant" (just like the mushroom cloud of a nuclear bomb which comes up from the ground instantly) a "great scattered flame" will "leap up from the ground" (another clue that it could be a nuclear explosion), and "approaches the great new city". He also mentions that the "sky will burn at forty-five degrees), perhaps again describing the effects of a mushroom cloud of a nuclear bomb.

As far as the "great new city" that he mentions. That could be just about any city. However, I have my own theories as to it being related to the last two predictions which I believe describe some kind of a nuclear or biological attack on the city of Rome, Italy.

As I mentioned before, it is obvious that many Islamic fanatics want to destroy any historical cities related to Christianity. And to do away with Christianity all-together. Rome, Italy falls into the category of a major historical city for Christianity. And what better way to destroy it than with a Nuclear Bomb?

A nuclear explosion occurs as a result of the rapid release of energy from an intentionally high-speed nuclear reaction. The driving reaction may be nuclear fission, nuclear fusion or a multistage cascading combination of the two, though to date all fusion based weapons have used a fission device to initiate fusion, and a pure fusion weapon remains a hypothetical device. Atmospheric nuclear explosions are associated with "mushroom clouds", although mushroom clouds can occur with large chemical explosions, and it is possible to have an air-burst nuclear explosion without these clouds. Nuclear explosions produce large amounts of radiation and radioactive debris.

The dominant effects of a nuclear weapon (the blast and thermal radiation) are the same physical damage mechanisms as conventional explosives, but the energy produced by a nuclear explosive is millions of times more per gram and the temperatures reached are in the tens of megakelvins.

The energy released from a nuclear weapon detonated in the troposphere can be divided into four basic categories:

* Blast—40-50% of total energy

* Thermal radiation—30-50% of total energy

* Ionizing radiation—5% of total energy

* Residual radiation—5-10% of total energy

However, depending on the design of the weapon and the environment in which it is detonated the energy distributed to these categories can be increased or decreased to the point of nullification. The blast effect is created by immense amounts of energy, spanning the electromagnetic spectrum, with the surroundings. Locations such as submarine, surface, airburst, or exo-atmospheric determine how much energy is produced as blast and how much as radiation. In general, denser mediums around the bomb, like water, absorb more energy, and create more powerful shockwaves while at the same time limiting the area of its effect.

That is important information about water causing the blast to absorb more energy and create more powerful shockwaves because any country who would have the capabilities to launch a nuclear bomb would also most certainly know beforehand how to increase it's impact on the designated target. And Nostradamus stated in the prediction I posted previously that:

"From the East will come a dreadful act

Which will strike at the Adriatic sea

and the heirs of Romulus (Rome, Italy)."

Obviously, if it turns out to be a nuclear or biological strike on the city of Rome, than the strike on the water next to it would be very clever, because it would increase the amount of damage done to the city because it would absorb more energy before releasing it's blast.

Most of the material damage caused by a nuclear air burst is caused by a combination of the high static overpressures and the blast winds. The long compression of the blast wave weakens structures, which are then torn apart by the blast winds. The compression, vacuum and drag phases together may last several seconds or longer, and exert forces many times greater than the strongest hurricane. Nuclear weapons emit large amounts of electromagnetic radiation as visible, infrared, and ultraviolet light. The chief hazards are burns and eye injuries. On clear days, these injuries can occur well beyond blast ranges. The light is so powerful that it can start fires that spread rapidly in the debris left by a blast.

As far as what Nostradamus says about "they" wanting "proof of the normans", I have yet to come up with a possible meaning for this sentence. What we can take from it immediately, however, is that it will somehow coincide with the attack that Nostradamus seems to be describing in this quatrain.

The Normans were the people who gave their names to Normandy, a region in northern France. They descended from Viking conquerors of the territory and the native population of mostly Frankish and Gallo-Roman stock. So perhaps the last line gives us a clue that some person/country will be wanting/waiting for France to prove something when suddenly this attack takes place.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:34 pm

TruthBringer;1112779 wrote: NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"The sky will burn at forty-five degrees,

Fire approaches the great new city,

On the instant a great scattered flame leaps up,

When they will want proof of the Normans."

NOTE:

In this prediction it almost looks as if Nostradamus is describing a modern day nuclear bomb exploding either next to or right above a city. He describes this even clearer when he mentions that "on the instant" (just like the mushroom cloud of a nuclear bomb which comes up from the ground instantly) a "great scattered flame" will "leap up from the ground" (another clue that it could be a nuclear explosion), and "approaches the great new city". He also mentions that the "sky will burn at forty-five degrees), perhaps again describing the effects of a mushroom cloud of a nuclear bomb.

As far as the "great new city" that he mentions. That could be just about any city. However, I have my own theories as to it being related to the last two predictions which I believe describe some kind of a nuclear or biological attack on the city of Rome, Italy.

As I mentioned before, it is obvious that many Islamic fanatics want to destroy any historical cities related to Christianity. And to do away with Christianity all-together. Rome, Italy falls into the category of a major historical city for Christianity. And what better way to destroy it than with a Nuclear Bomb?

A nuclear explosion occurs as a result of the rapid release of energy from an intentionally high-speed nuclear reaction. The driving reaction may be nuclear fission, nuclear fusion or a multistage cascading combination of the two, though to date all fusion based weapons have used a fission device to initiate fusion, and a pure fusion weapon remains a hypothetical device. Atmospheric nuclear explosions are associated with "mushroom clouds", although mushroom clouds can occur with large chemical explosions, and it is possible to have an air-burst nuclear explosion without these clouds. Nuclear explosions produce large amounts of radiation and radioactive debris.

The dominant effects of a nuclear weapon (the blast and thermal radiation) are the same physical damage mechanisms as conventional explosives, but the energy produced by a nuclear explosive is millions of times more per gram and the temperatures reached are in the tens of megakelvins.

The energy released from a nuclear weapon detonated in the troposphere can be divided into four basic categories:

* Blast—40-50% of total energy

* Thermal radiation—30-50% of total energy

* Ionizing radiation—5% of total energy

* Residual radiation—5-10% of total energy

However, depending on the design of the weapon and the environment in which it is detonated the energy distributed to these categories can be increased or decreased to the point of nullification. The blast effect is created by immense amounts of energy, spanning the electromagnetic spectrum, with the surroundings. Locations such as submarine, surface, airburst, or exo-atmospheric determine how much energy is produced as blast and how much as radiation. In general, denser mediums around the bomb, like water, absorb more energy, and create more powerful shockwaves while at the same time limiting the area of its effect.

That is important information about water causing the blast to absorb more energy and create more powerful shockwaves because any country who would have the capabilities to launch a nuclear bomb would also most certainly know beforehand how to increase it's impact on the designated target. And Nostradamus stated in the prediction I posted previously that:

"From the East will come a dreadful act

Which will strike at the Adriatic sea

and the heirs of Romulus (Rome, Italy)."

Obviously, if it turns out to be a nuclear or biological strike on the city of Rome, than the strike on the water next to it would be very clever, because it would increase the amount of damage done to the city because it would absorb more energy before releasing it's blast.

Most of the material damage caused by a nuclear air burst is caused by a combination of the high static overpressures and the blast winds. The long compression of the blast wave weakens structures, which are then torn apart by the blast winds. The compression, vacuum and drag phases together may last several seconds or longer, and exert forces many times greater than the strongest hurricane. Nuclear weapons emit large amounts of electromagnetic radiation as visible, infrared, and ultraviolet light. The chief hazards are burns and eye injuries. On clear days, these injuries can occur well beyond blast ranges. The light is so powerful that it can start fires that spread rapidly in the debris left by a blast.

As far as what Nostradamus says about "they" wanting "proof of the normans", I have yet to come up with a possible meaning for this sentence. What we can take from it immediately, however, is that it will somehow coincide with the attack that Nostradamus seems to be describing in this quatrain.

The Normans were the people who gave their names to Normandy, a region in northern France. They descended from Viking conquerors of the territory and the native population of mostly Frankish and Gallo-Roman stock. So perhaps the last line gives us a clue that some person/country will be wanting/waiting for France to prove something when suddenly this attack takes place.

A very interesting interpretation.

I have a different slant on htis one as i'm still seeing America here.

Nostradamus refered to America as the new world. The great new city could well be New York and Manhattan. The water is there and fits perfectly.

The proof of the Normans could be the proof that the American's are dead. Much of America is descended from British and European settlers (the Normans).

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:33 am

Its funny because I have read prediction stuff like this over the years, and though to be honest the whole nostradamus thing doesn't really do it for me, I can see why people get so worked up about him, as he seems on occasion to fit in with the mood of the times, whether this is because he was actually clairvoyant and saw our future laid out before us, or whether because his quatrains are general, and appeal to a need we have to know what's coming, so we fill in the gaps; I just don't know.

If you read his stuff, he constantly refers to France, Italy, Spain, and less often England, Germany, and the Moselms and other areas around the Mediterranian basin. This is because he lived in Medieval France, was French, and lived in the part of France that was directly effected by the politics of the area around the Mediterranian Sea. That would be my reading of why Italy and France are discussed so much, not because they are necessarily going to be the epicentre of World War Three (should such a thing happen this century). Though of course its possible.

As an aside what I do find interesting is that I have actually pondered where Islamic terrorists would most like to strike in Europe if they had access to a WMD, and my undoubted opinion would be that it would be Rome, its the Centre of the World's largest religion, it is also a seminal city in Western Civilization, and it's destruction would fit into their sort of millenarian doctrine and its medievalist mindset. As a symbolic hammer-blow against everything they despise. So its odd that I would come to the same conclusions but by a different path.

Of course if you want to get into the specifics of World War Three, in terms of these pondering, I have to point out that modern France is a full member of NATO, (as is Italy) and it maintains its own fully capable independent Nuclear deterrent on its submarine fleet and also its air-force, along with Britain (which also has the capability of independently launching a massive first-strike Nuclear attack against any country it choses from its fleet of Trident Nuclear submarines). Any of the situations you are describing would result in the French or British using that Deterrent against the aggressors, so its an unlikely scenario.

What is interesting about Nostradamus is that despite the fact that his quatrains are generally indecipherable and so general as to be essentially meaningless, there are this small glimpses or descriptions of things, that sound like modern-day realities like aircraft, or missiles, or telephones, but written exactly as you would imagine a medieval mind would interpret the image of seeing these things, with no context on which to understand them and therefore using medieval imagery to describe dog-fights with fighter aircraft, or a missile attack from a naval vessel, that is intriguiging about Nostradamus.

Though again, I have to say very clearly I don't believe that human beings have the ability to predict the future, no more than I believe in Santa, so its not my thing.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:40 am

Thank you both for your insight. I would like to start by stating that I have considered both possibilities. Rome, and a city in the United States. And one other possibility which would be a city in Israel.

Those 3 scenarios have run through my head more times than I can count. So instead of trying to pick one, I just decided that I would go purely off of the hints and clues that Nostradamus provided in his own writing. And by doing this, I would have to say at least in my opinion that I have indeed come to the same conclusion as Galbally, and that Rome is being described as the target of some kind of serious attack.

Israel and the United States are still possibilities, of course, but every time I study the quatrains I become more convinced that it's Italy.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:40 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"Troops will approach from Russia.

The destroyer will ruin the ancient city

Italy will be destroyed

And no one will know how to put out

the great fire which will have been ignited."

NOTE:

In this one Nostradamus lays it all out pretty clear for us. He states that "Troops will approach from Russia", which could be Russian troops themselves, or troops from another country who would have already invaded Russia (China - according to Jeane Dixon). Regardless, Nostradamus states that these "troops" will approach from the country of Russia.

Then he goes on to write that, "The destroyer will ruin the ancient city". Since this sentence could refer to any city in the World that is "ancient", we have only to go to the next line of the quatrain for a clue as to what city he is referring to because he makes it very clear for us when he writes that "Italy will be destroyed". So again, I believe he is referring to the city of Rome, Italy. It is also quite possible that Nostradamus used two different terms to describe the city of Rome. "Great new city" (possibly referring to the Vatican City that came into existence in 1929) and "Ancient city" (possibly referring to the city of Rome itself which has been around for thousands of years). Either way, we know that once again, "Italy" is the target in this quatrain.

The "destroyer" could mean many different things. It could be a launching device, it could be a person (the Anti-Christ perhaps), it could be a name for the device itself, it could even be the description of an actual modern day destroyer-battleship, which would be more than capable of launching a nuclear missile. There are just too many possibilities to be able to narrow it down to just one. One thing we do know however, is that whatever this "destroyer" is, Nostradamus claims that it will be responsible for the destruction of "The ancient city" in Italy.

Thats exactly what he says. That Italy will "be destroyed". Now obviously he doesn't mean that the land mass of Italy will be obliterated, so what I take from this is that Italy will be shaken from top to bottom with war and that there will be great destruction inside of Italy that will result in complete and utter devastation.

For a better understanding of the final 2 lines of this quatrain, we can simply go back to the last 3 posts/prophecies from before which seemed to be describing an attack on the city of Rome. I believe this quatrain is related to them because here again Nostradamus mentions a large fire when he states that "And no one will know how to put out the great fire which will have been ignited". This I take to be related to the possible nuclear or biological attack that Nostradamus seemed to be describing in the previous predictions related to this region of the World.

In order for a fire to be "ignited" to the degree that "no one" would know how to put it out, that would have to be an extremely persistant fire that could only come from something which would most likely be related to a weapon of some kind or another. If it were a natural fire, then surely many people would know how to put it out, as Rome would be equipped with its own fire department/emergency service that can deal with putting out the flames. But if it were a fire created from say a nuclear type device, then that would definately qualify as a fire that would not be able to be extinguished right away, and/or by normal means. In fact, there may be nothing that could be done to extinguish the flames if indeed they were caused by a nuclear explosion. The survivors and those around the city would just have to wait for things to get better.

No matter how a person chooses to look at it, at least according to Nostradamus, Italy is definately going to be in for some serious trouble during World War 3.

Russia is a transcontinental country extending over much of northern Eurasia. It is a semi-presidential republic comprising 83 federal subjects. Russia shares land borders with the following countries (counterclockwise from northwest to southeast): Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania (via Kaliningrad Oblast), Poland (via Kaliningrad Oblast), Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, China, Mongolia and North Korea, and is also close to the United States (Alaska) and Japan. It borders the Arctic Ocean, the Pacific Ocean, the Caspian Sea, the Baltic Sea, and the Black Sea.

At 17,075,400 square kilometres (6,592,800 sq mi), Russia is the largest country in the world, covering more than an eighth of the Earth’s land area; with 142 million people, it is the ninth largest by population. It extends across the whole of northern Asia and 40% of Europe, spanning 11 time zones and incorporating a great range of environments and landforms. Russia has the world's greatest reserves of mineral and energy resources, and is considered an energy superpower. It has the world's largest forest reserves and its lakes contain approximately one-quarter of the world's unfrozen fresh water.

A map of the location of Russia:

Italy is located on the Italian Peninsula in Southern Europe, and on the two largest islands in the Mediterranean Sea, Sicily and Sardinia. Italy shares its northern Alpine boundary with France, Switzerland, Austria and Slovenia. The independent states of San Marino and the Vatican City are enclaves within the Italian Peninsula, while Campione d'Italia is an Italian exclave in Switzerland. Italy has been the home of many European cultures, such as the Etruscans and the Romans, and later was the birthplace of the universities and of the movement of the Renaissance, that began in Tuscany and spread all over Europe. Italy's capital Rome was for centuries the center of Western civilization; it also spawned the Baroque movement and seats the Catholic Church. Italy possessed a colonial empire from the second half of the nineteenth century to the mid-twentieth century. Today, Italy is a democratic republic and a developed country with the 8th-highest Quality-of-life index rating in the world.

A map of the location of Italy:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:00 pm

You must remember galbally that the 16th century of Nostradamus's life-time saw religious persecution and burning of witches. Nostradamus also wrote in anagrams of gaelic french to disguise his writings and saving his own persecution.

He knew that latter day scholars would be able to un-ravel his quatrains without fear of persecution.

Nostradamus Code, Prophecies and Predictions Decoded- Leaders and Anarchists

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:48 am

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"Karol will pass away when Europe to the east of the Rhine and Russia

have reversed their coin. An age of wars kills the consecrated iron man.

After a year of pillage, Rome stripped bare; the bells no longer ring. Age."

NOTE:

Here it looks like Nostradamus is writing about the currency of Europe changing right around the time of World War 3. With the European Union, this has already started to become a reality. He says it will happen to the part of Europe that is to the "East of the Rhine and Russia"

The European countries that are East of the Rhine river include Germany, Liechtenstein, Italy, Slovenia, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Austria, Poland, Croatia, Hungary, Romania, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Albania, Finland, Sweden, Lithuania, and Latvia, among others.

The European Union is composed of 27 independent sovereign countries which are known as member states. These include: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom.

Clearly many of the European countries that are east of the Rhine river also happen to be member states of the European Union. Nostradamus wrote that when these countries "reverse their coin" (The European Union), then an "age of wars" will kill "the consecrated iron man".

The word consecrated means to make or declare sacred; set apart or dedicate to the service of a deity: to consecrate a new church building. So a "consecrated" man would be just that. "Iron" man I take to mean a man of war or someone who likes war or lives by war. Therefore if we put all the words together "Concecrated iron man" I believe Nostradamus is telling us that many of the men of today, the ones who make war sacred, and who dedicate themselves to it and serve it as if it was a deity, will mostly all be killed during World War 3 and during the "Age of wars" (Age of Pisces) as Nostradamus puts it.

The last line of the quatrain is also interesting, because Nostradamus gives us another clue related to the attack/assault on Rome when he writes that: "After a year of pillage, Rome stripped bare; the bells no longer ring." The bells no longer ring could be a reference to the Vatican city and its church bells. So perhaps in other words he is saying that the city of Rome, Italy will have been decimated. He does say that Rome will be pillaged for a whole year, and then "stripped bare". It's a very sad ending when you think about it. But perhaps a necessary one.

At the very end of this quatrain Nostradamus simply states one word. "Age". Perhaps the reason he ends it with this word is because he wants to give us all a hint that we may soon be entering into a brand new age (the Age of Aquarius) and that the age of Pisces will soon be coming to an end. This could be his reference to the end of the Age of wars, and to the beginning of an age of Peace. An age that many people continue to hope for.

The Rhine is one of the longest and most important rivers in Europe at 1,320 kilometres (820 mi), with an average discharge of more than 2,000 cubic metres per second (71,000 cu ft/s). The name of the Rhine comes from the archaic German Rhine, which in turn comes from Middle High German. The Rhine and the Danube formed most of the northern inland frontier of the Roman Empire, and since those days the Rhine has been a vital navigable waterway, carrying trade and goods deep inland. It has also served as a defensive feature, and has been the basis for regional and international borders. The many castles and prehistoric fortifications along the Rhine testify to its importance as a waterway. River traffic could be stopped at these locations, usually for the purpose of collecting tolls, by the state controlling that portion of the river. The Rhine's origins are in the Swiss Alps in the canton of Graubünden, where its two main initial tributaries are called Vorderrhein and Hinterrhein. The Vorderrhein (anterior Rhine) springs from Lake Tuma near the Oberalp Pass and passes the impressive Ruinaulta (the Swiss Grand Canyon). The Hinterrhein (posterior Rhine) starts from the Paradies Glacier near the Rheinquellhorn at the southern border of Switzerland. One of the latter tributaries originates in Val di Lei in Italy. Both tributaries meet near Reichenau, still in Graubünden. From Reichenau, the Rhine flows north as the Alpenrhein passing Chur and forming the border between Liechtenstein and then Austria on the east side, and canton St. Gallen of Switzerland on the west side, then emptying into Lake Constance. Emerging from Lake Constance, flowing generally westward as the Hochrhein it passes the Rhine Falls and is joined by the Aar river. The Aar more than doubles the Rhine's water discharge to an average of nearly 1,000 cubic meters per second. The Aar also contains the waters from the summit of Finsteraarhorn, at 4,274 metres the highest point of the Rhine basin. The Rhine roughly forms the boundary with Germany from Lake Constance until it turns north at the so-called Rhine knee at Basel. The Rhine is the longest river in Germany. It is here that the Rhine encounters some of its main tributaries, such as the Neckar, the Main and later the Moselle, which contributes an average discharge of over 300 cubic metres per second (11,000 cu ft/s). The Rhine then turns west and enters the Netherlands, where together with the rivers Meuse and Scheldt it forms the extensive Rhine-Meuse-Scheldt delta, one of the larger river deltas in western Europe. Crossing the border into the Netherlands at Spijk, close to Nijmegen and Arnhem the Rhine is at its widest, but the river then splits into three main distributaries: the Waal, Nederrijn ("Lower Rhine") and IJssel.

Map of the location of the Rhine river:

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:14 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"Weapons will be heard fighting in the sky.

In the same year, the divines will become enemies.

They will unjustly debate holy laws,

Through thunder and war the true believers will die."

NOTE:

Weapons fighting in the sky, debates about "holy laws", thunder, war, people dead. Again, seems like another general description of World War 3.

"Weapons heard fighting in the sky" I would take to mean aircraft battles taking place above cities, etc.

Nostradamus also writes that in that same year as these air battles, the two "Divines" will become enemies. I take the "Divines" to mean the major World religions. The two religions that come to mind are Christianity and Islam.

Nostradamus mentions that these "Divines" will "unjustly debate holy laws". The key word here is "unjustly". Unjustly means not just or right; unfair; contrary to justice. Therefore Nostradamus is making it clear to us that these debates over "Holy laws" are pointless, and are not right, and unfair. This would accurately describe the debates and even the wars that spring up over the doctrines of Christianity vs Islam/Islam vs Christianity.

On the very last line of this quatrain Nostradamus writes that "Through thunder and war the true believers will die". Obviously Nostradamus is telling us that because of the unwillingness of either religion to back down/and or compromise, the anger directed towards each of their followers will sprout into wars, and could also be a major factor towards the cause of World War 3. He also makes it clear that these hard-core religious followers on both sides of the equation, those that are willing to take up arms against each other in blind faith, will end up suffering death as a result of their decisions.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Sun Feb 08, 2009 7:35 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"Saturn in Cancer, Jupiter with Mars,

In February "Chaldondon Salvaterre,

The Sierra Morena assailed from three sides,

Near "Verbiesque" conflict mortal war."

NOTE:

On the first line of this quatrain Nostradamus mentions that "Saturn" will be in "Cancer". Obviously he is talking about the constellation of Cancer and the planet Saturn crossing it's domain. In Astrology, this is a unique combination, due to the fact that the energies of these two are almost completely opposite. In fact, this same conjunction occurred back in June of 2003, or around the same time that the United States invaded the country of Iraq in March of that same year.

In Astrology, Cancer is all loving and compassionate; while Saturn is harsh, unforgiving, and judging. There is a schizoid quality to this combination: Cancer sees the goodness in all things and Saturn mirrors the dark depressive realms. Cancer is all-giving and embracing; Saturn is withholding, limiting and the great imposer of rules and structure. Cancer is the archetypal nurturing mother, and Saturn is the archetypal judgmental, demanding father. Cancer teaches with love. Saturn instructs through discipline and hard work. As you might imagine, integrating these two energies isn't easy, especially during these fragile and charged times in which we live. During the time that this conjunction takes place, The act of opening our hearts, practicing compassion, forgiveness and nurturance will be harder, but the payoff will be enormous. So big, it might just save our lives. Saturn is all about long-term commitment. Saturn in Cancer is all about long-term commitment to spiritual values and the lessons of opening our hearts even in the hardest of times.

Usually Saturn brings some forms of death. However, more than any other quality, Saturn represents inner fear. Due to the Moon's rulership of Cancer and its irrational fears of the unknown, the hunker-down mentality we saw after 9/11 may become more prevalent during the time of this conjunction causing people to isolate themselves and cling to home and hearth. Up the Terror Alert, close the borders, seal the airports, keep out the intruders; this will be Cancer gone haywire. A Saturn in Cancer foreign policy sounds more like, "You are either part of the family, or you might as well fend for yourself." Or as George W Bush, a Cancer native put it, "You're either with us or against us." It is up to each of us to resist this growing paranoia and cynicism that will occur during this period. We can't allow Saturn to limit our ability to reach out in a gentle way and welcome others who look, sound or act different.

When this conjunction occurs the American people will have a great opportunity as a Nation. Because Cancer is compassion and Saturn confers great seriousness, it is possible that if enough of us insist on acting in accord with these principles, even if it means going against popular sentiment, we can redirect our nation's personality back to one of caring for and loving all people. If you think spirituality has nothing to do with politics and national identity, think again. Your spiritual practice has a great deal of influence over how our nation behaves. The more of us that insist upon kindness, compassion, and emotional openness in our own lives, the more our leaders will reflect these values.

Saturn in Cancer could mean the death of the traditional family, as we have known it. Some may think this is a good thing; that the days of the nuclear family were over long ago and popular culture just needs to catch up. Saturn represents rules and structure, and Cancer represents a shell we use to shelter ourselves from those we consider outsiders. Since emotional and personal security is the underlying issue for all Cancer natives, Saturn will be forcing all of us to redefine who we think of as family, who we turn to in tough times, who we would welcome into our own shelter should the need arise. In all of these cases, the definition of family must be extended to include many more individuals than just our blood relatives and close friends. It is true that a first impulse might be to hole up inside one's own shell, but this would be counterproductive to the times. Isolation is the first impulse, but reaching out and holding tight to as many as possible is the real lesson of Saturn in Cancer.

The Saturn in Cancer conjunction will be a time to reinvigorate our caring, nurturing selves and reign in our judgmental, fearful selves. We will be tested; that is the nature of Saturn. Saturn is the teacher, and instructs us to pay attention to the destructive traits and behaviors that live deep within us. We all must heal our impulse to fear, to withhold, and to imagine ourselves as anything but responsible for the terrible conditions in which our brothers and sisters around the globe live. If we each use this time properly, we will all come out of the Saturn in Cancer conjunction with stronger, more open, more compassionate hearts, and a world that is committed to the Cancerian values of love, peace and harmony.

Within the same first line of this quatrain, Nostradamus also mentions that "Jupiter" will be with "Mars".

In Astrology, Jupiter is the thinking person's Planet. As the guardian of the abstract mind, this Planet rules higher learning and bestows upon us a yen for exploring ideas, both intellectually and spiritually. Intellectually speaking, Jupiter assists us in formulating our ideology. In the more spiritual realm, Jupiter lords over religions and philosophy. A search for the answers is what Jupiter proposes, and if it means spanning the globe to find them, well, that's probably why Jupiter also rules long-distance travel. In keeping with this theme, Jupiter compels us to assess our ethical and moral values; it also addresses our sense of optimism. Luck and good fortune are associated with Jupiter for good reason. This is a kind and benevolent Planet, one which wants us to grow and flourish in a positive way. Jupiter may be judge and jury, but it's mostly an honorable helpmate, seeing to it that we're on the right path.

In Astrology, Mars is the action Planet of the Zodiac. The 'Red Planet,' after all, should be pretty fiery, and Mars does not disappoint. Energy, passion, drive and determination are all right up Mars's alley. This Planet commands you (and yes, Mars does rule the military) to stand up, be noticed and get things done -- sitting on the sidelines belongs somewhere else in the heavens. Simply put, Mars speaks to the power and confident expression of the individual. Ambition and competition are also within Mars's realm. Whether it's at work or on the field of play, Mars encourages us to face challenges and to be our best -- or better. Aggression is part of the plan here, although Mars also values courage and honor. Assertion and a daring, fearless nature please this Planet.

During this conjunction with Jupiter and Mars that Nostradamus is describing, we will all be experiencing the effects of both planets combined together.

On the second line of this quatrain, Nostradamus writes that "In February "Chaldondon Salvaterre,". Obviously Nostradamus is giving us a clue that something is going to happen during the month of February. The "Chaldondon Salvaterre" to this day remains a mystery to many translators and scholars. It could very well relate to the name of a person or place, but at this time has never been properly translated publicly.

As to what events may be occurring in the month of February, we can look to the next two lines for more clues. On line 3 of this quatrain, Nostradamus writes that "The Sierra Morena assailed from three sides". The Sierra Morena is a mountain range which stretches for 400 km East-West across southern Spain. So again, we have Spain involved in the prediction, and it appears that Spain is also due for some serious trouble during World War 3. He writes that it will be "assailed from three sides", showing us the scope of the attack and that it will be a very clever one that will most likely be very effective. Being attacked from three different sides would be difficult for any country to defend against.

On the last line of this quatrain, Nostradamus writes that "Near "Verbiesque" conflict mortal war." The word Verbiesque is a bit of a mystery as well, but perhaps it also refers to an area in or around Spain, since it would be keeping in sync with the rest of the quatrain. Either way, no matter where "Verbiesque" is located, Nostradamus associates it with conflict and mortal war around the same time that Spain is due to be attacked.

A picture of the planet Saturn:

A picture of the Constellation of Cancer:

A picture of the planet Jupiter:

A picture of the planet Mars:

A picture of the Sierra Morena mountain range in Spain:

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:47 am

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"The gods will make it appear to mankind,

That they are the authors of a great conflict:

The once serene sky will show Sword and Lance,

The Left will be the most afflicted."

NOTE:

In this prediction Nostradamus mentions that the men of the World will believe that they are the offers of a "great conflict." By "great conflict" I do believe that Nostradamus is talking about a World War. In this case, I believe it has to do with World War 3. It's interesting that he mentions that it will only "appear" to mankind that they are the authors of the war. The only thing I can take from this is that Nostradamus is trying to tell us that some things exist beyond the realm of our control, and that some things were set in motion long before we may have thought they ever were. Possibly hinting that World War 3 will fall into this category as well.

On the third line Nostradamus writes that the once "serene" sky will show "sword and lance". The word serene means clear and free of storms or unpleasant change. So clearly he is mentioning a time when the sky was free from air battles, but then goes on to make it clear that when this prophecy takes place, it won't be so any longer. The reference to the sky showing "sword and lance" again seems to give us a clue that Nostradamus is talking about the coming "air battles" that will take place during the war.

On the last line of this prediction Nostradamus says that the "Left" will be the most afflicted. If you look on a World Map, and if you were to draw a line between Africa and Europe (England, France, Germany etc.) and the countries of China, Iran, and Russia, you would see that on the right side of that line would be China, Iran, and Russia, and that on the left side would be Europe And Africa. Therefore when Nostradamus mentions that the "The Left will be the most afflicted", I do believe that he is describing the damage that will occur in the Countries of Europe and Africa, as well as in the middle-eastern countries that are closer to them, and that the damage that will occur in those places will be greater than the damage that will occur in the countries on the "right" (China, Iran, Russia, etc.).

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:22 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"The leaders of the Church will remain backward in their

love of God...Of the three sects the Catholic is thrown

into decadence by the partisan differences of it's

worshippers. The Protestants will be entirely undone in

all of Europe and parts of Africa by the Islamics, by

means of poor in Spirit who, led by madmen shall

through worldly luxury commit adultery...

in the meantime so vast a plague that two thirds of the

World fail and decay. So many (die) that no one will

know the true owners of fields and houses.

The weeds in the city streets will rise higher

than the knees, and there shall be a total desolation of

the Clergy."

NOTE:

This prediction is more directed towards the downfall of the Catholic and Protestant Churches than it is about anything else. But Nostradamus does list what appears to be an army of "Islamics" as a reason for the downfall the Protestant religion and for it to be "completely "undone" in "ALL", not just part of, Europe. He also says that much of the Protestant religion will be undone in parts of Africa as well. And again, he lists the same possible army of "Islamics" to be the cause. He also mentions that these "Islamics" will be "led by madmen" and that they shall be "poor in Spirit".

He writes that the "Catholic" church will be thrown into "decadence" (a period of decline) because of it's many "partisan" differences. Partisan means a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person; especially: one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance.

During the last section of this quatrain Nostradamus writes that "in the meantime so vast a plague that two thirds of the World fail and decay. So many (die) that no one will know the true owners of fields and houses." I take this to mean that the "plague" that Nostradamus mentions will be created by one of three sources: One, through a biological agent/weapon that is used by the "Islamics" that Nostradamus mentions above, two, through the natural process of Mother Nature going through one of it's many cycles, or three, because of Human Negligence towards the Earth.

He mentions that this "plague" will kill so many people that "no one will know the true owners of fields and houses". I take this to mean that there will be so many empty houses and fields during this time that it will become too confusing for people to try and figure out who owned what.

On the very last sentence of this quatrain Nostradamus writes that "The weeds in the city streets will rise higher than the knees, and there shall be a total desolation of the Clergy". I suspect that the weeds in the city streets rising higher than the knees will be because there will be no one around to cut them anymore after the cities have been cleared out of people due to this plague.

To finish this quatrain, Nostradamus gives us a clue about the damage that will have been done to the church by writing that "and there shall be a total desolation of the Clergy". Desolation means devastation, ruin. So therefore, we know that the Catholic and Protestant churches are both going to be facing some very serious problems.

A map of Europe:

A map of Africa:

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:04 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"Upon the struggle of the great

They will proclaim the Islamic

resistance is destroyed.

To kill by night, in the mountains,

Rest in shepherd clothing

Red Gulf in the deep valleys"

NOTE:

In this prediction Nostradamus says that "Upon the struggle of the great", which could very well represent the United States, France, Spain, Italy and all of their allies, and that "They will proclaim the Islamic resistance is destroyed". But this is a very interesting line, because Nostradamus doesn't state that the Islamic resistance WILL be destroyed, he only states that people will proclaim that it is. Perhaps meaning that all will not completely be well. Either way though, this prediction shows very clearly that in the end, the Islamics will have at least appeared to have lost the war.

The last part of this prediction mentions "killing by night", "in the mountains", and a "Red gulf" in the deep valleys. What I take from this is that some of the water in the valleys of the mountains will have turned red. Perhaps because of all the bodies that will be lying in or around the rivers? From both sides of the war?

We do know that World War 3 will be extremely bloody. And that no matter how it turns out in the end, the death count would be massive.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:06 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"Mabus will soon die, then will come

"A horrible slaughter of

people and animals,

At once vengeance is revealed

coming from a hundred lands

Thirst, and famine when the

comet will pass."

NOTE:

In this prediction Nostradamus mentions the name "Mabus". Mabus could very well be the name that Nostradamus gives to the "third" Anti-Christ. Nostradamus claims that this person will soon die (most likely during or after the war against him). But even after this person's death, things don't seem to be getting very much better at least not right away, because Nostradamus writes that a "horrible slaughter of people and animals" will come soon afterwards.

The horrible slaughter of people and animals could very well be because of the long expected and prophesized Worldwide Pole-Shift that is supposed to be occuring soon after World War 3 or even at the very end of it. A Pole-Shift would definately be something that could destroy huge amounts of people and animals all over the World.

Nostradamus also writes about "vengeance" (punishment inflicted in retaliation for an injury or offense) coming from a "hundred lands". Perhaps the people of the World will be angry at not only Mother Nature, but also at the after-effects of the war and at all of the destruction that it had caused.

On the last line Nostradamus mentions that there will be "thirst and famine", when a "comet passes". This would obviously make alot of people angry as well.

Picture of a symbol related to the third Anti-Christ taken from the Lost Book Of Nostradamus:

Notice the three six pointed stars above the serpent/dragon which could relate to the 666 that Revelations mentions about the sign of the Anti-Christ.

Another picture of a symbol that appears to be related to the third Anti-Christ taken from the Lost Book Of Nostradamus:

Notice the three drops of blood dripping from the serpents mouth. The three drops of blood could be another clue to let us all know that this is a symbol for the third Anti-Christ that Nostradamus writes about in certain quatrains. Also notice that next to the serpent is a cup that appears to be filled with blood. Perhaps this is a symbol for all of the blood that the Anti-Christ will cause to be shed.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:24 pm

NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)

Nostradamus:

"After great trouble for humanity, a greater one is prepared

The Great Mover renews the ages:

Rain, blood, milk, famine, steel and plague,

In the heavens fire seen, a long spark running."

NOTE:

On the first line of this quatrain, Nostradamus states that Humanity will have already gone through a "great trouble". I take this "great trouble" to represent a World War, because a World War is definately something that would effect all of Humanity, and would be global in it's reach. And in this case I believe it is World War 3 that he is describing. But then right after that sentence, comes a clue for something else. After this "great trouble for humanity", Nostradamus states that a "a greater one is prepared". Greater than a World War? There is only one thing I could think of that would be immediately greater than World War 3, and that would be a Global catastrophe of some kind - aka - the Pole-Shift.

Another clue we have that Nostradamus is most likely writing about the coming Pole-Shift, is that on the second line of this quatrain, Nostradamus writes that, "The Great Mover renews the ages". Very interesting. "The Great Mover" is a perfect description of a Pole-Shift because it literally moves the entire Earth when it occurs, and, in the process of doing this it shifts the poles of the Earth as well. But we have an even greater clue that Nostradamus is describing the coming Pole-Shift, because just after those words on line 2 Nostradamus says that what this "Great Mover" does is it "renews the ages". Renews the ages? Another perfect description of a Pole-Shift because many cultures around the World as well as many astrologers, researchers, writers, and psychics believe that at the end of many of the ages that the Earth has passed through (which will soon be Pisces for us as we enter into the age of Aquarius), that there have been major cataclysmic upheavals which have caused Worldwide destruction including almost the complete annihilation of the entire Human race.

Now on the third line of this quatrain, Nostradamus seems to be writing about some of the consequences of a Pole-Shift when he writes that, "Rain, blood, milk, famine, steel and plague". Rain is absolutely one of the consequences of a Pole-Shift. In fact, so much so that it has caused Global floods that have been so big in scale that so many cultures around the World have included these floods in with their traditional history stories. Blood, well, unfortunately that is another consequence that occurs during a Pole-Shift because many people will die as a result of all the different catastrophies that take place. "Milk" is a little harder to understand, however it might go along with the rain such as rain mixed with ash which could give the impression of milk falling from the sky as it turns more of a whitish color. This of course would be from volcanoes exploding around the World. Famine is also a definite result of a Pole-Shift due to all the destruction of crops and fields. Steel, well, there would be tons of steel bent out of shape and lying around from different things such as fires, tidal waves, volcanic eruptions, extremely strong winds, etc. So huge amounts of steel being scattered around would also be a consequence of a Pole-Shift. And lastly we have Plague. Plague would be another definite consequence of a Pole-Shift because there would be many dead bodies lying around both from animals and Humans and those bodies would certainly be at risk for spreading disease as they began to decompose, etc.

So there we have it, "Rain", "Blood", "Famine", "Steel", and "Plague", all things that would accompany a Pole-Shift and all of which Nostradamus seems to use to describe this "Greater" trouble for Humanity.

On the very last line of this quatrain, comes yet even another clue that Nostradamus may be writing about a Pole-Shift when he writes that, "In the heavens fire seen, a long spark running." Fire seen in the sky be it at night or in the daytime, would also be an effect of a Pole-Shift because with all of the Volcanoes exploding, and with all of the flames and ash and smoke causing the sky to change colors, and with the reflection in the sky as to what is happening down on the ground, it would be entirely possible that there would either literally be "fire seen in the heavens", or....that there would only appear to be "fire seen in the heavens". Either way, this would make total sense during a World-Wide Catastrophe such as the Pole-Shift which has been responsible for burying and destroying entire continents, countries, cities, and civilizations around the Earth on more than one occasion.

Picture of how the Earth might look while undergoing some of the effects of the changes during a Pole-Shift:

Picture of how some of the cities around the World might look after they have been stripped bare from the damage of the Pole-Shift: