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When did news reporting change from informing the public of facts to using the news hour(s) as a platform to sway public opinion? Some people in the news are talking about the blatant bias we currently are experiencing, but nothing is being done to change this. There does not seem to be much truth in reporting anymore. Why do you think this has been allowed to evole this way?




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Kindle;1110032 wrote: When did news reporting change from informing the public of facts to using the news hour(s) as a platform to sway public opinion?You're an American? 1776?

There does not seem to be much truth in reporting anymore.You're an American? No way! Who'd a thunk it.
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You always have to shift through a news report-whether on TV or in print. Each has it's own agenda also, besides the report itself. The days of the anchors we listened to and believed everything-Cronkite, Brinkley and the rest-are long gone. I think disillusionment set in during the mid-60s, but it existed before that when newspapers first began.
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That's entertainment. :thinking:

We need to not take information that is given us at face value and jump to conclusions. We should queston and research. The news is supposed to be facts, but only certain facts are presented to us. There is only a certain amount of time on a broadcast and a certain amount of space on a page.
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Or, for those who prefer to be informed rather than amused, there's the BBC.
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spot;1110034 wrote: You're an American? 1776?

You're an American? No way! Who'd a thunk it.


Now stop it Spot :lips::lips::lips:
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Themis;1110350 wrote: You media is owned by Jews..Would you like to back that up with some facts, bearing in mind that this is the US media the thread's discussing?
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Themis;1110365 wrote: MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN, owner of NY Daily News, US News & World Report and chair of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American Organizations, one of the largest pro-Israel lobbying groups.

LESLIE MOONVES, president of CBS television, great-nephew of David Ben-Gurion, and co-chair with Norman Ornstein of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.

JONATHAN MILLER, chair and CEO of AOL division of AOL-Time-Warner

NEIL SHAPIRO, president of NBC News

JEFF GASPIN, Executive Vice-President, Programming, NBC

DAVID WESTIN, president of ABC News

SUMNER REDSTONE, CEO of Viacom, "world's biggest media giant" (Economist, 11/23/2) owns Viacom cable, CBS and MTVs all over the world, Blockbuster video rentals and Black Entertainment TV.

MICHAEL EISNER, major owner of Walt Disney, Capitol Cities, ABC.

RUPERT MURDOCH, Owner Fox TV, New York Post, London Times, News of the World (Jewish mother)

MEL KARMAZIN, president of CBS

DON HEWITT, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes, CBS

JEFF FAGER, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes II. CBS

DAVID POLTRACK, Executive Vice-President, Research and Planning, CBS

SANDY KRUSHOW, Chair, Fox Entertainment

LLOYD BRAUN, Chair, ABC Entertainment

BARRY MEYER, chair, Warner Bros.

SHERRY LANSING. President of Paramount Communications and Chairman of Paramount Pictures' Motion Picture Group.

HARVEY WEINSTEIN, CEO. Miramax Films.

BRAD SIEGEL., President, Turner Entertainment.

PETER CHERNIN, second in-command at Rupert Murdoch's News. Corp., owner of Fox TV

MARTY PERETZ, owner and publisher of the New Republic, which openly identifies itself as pro-Israel. Al Gore credits Marty with being his "mentor."

ARTHUR O. SULZBERGER, JR., publisher of the NY Times, the Boston Globe and other publications.

WILLIAM SAFIRE, syndicated columnist for the NYT.

TOM FRIEDMAN, syndicated columnist for the NYT.

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post. Honored by Honest Reporting.com, website monitoring "anti-Israel media."

RICHARD COHEN, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post

JEFF JACOBY, syndicated columnist for the Boston Globe

NORMAN ORNSTEIN, American Enterprise Inst., regular columnist for USA Today, news analyst for CBS, and co-chair with Leslie Moonves of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.

ARIE FLEISCHER, Dubya's press secretary.

STEPHEN EMERSON, every media outlet's first choice as an expert on domestic terrorism.

DAVID SCHNEIDERMAN, owner of the Village Voice and the New Times network of "alternative weeklies."

DENNIS LEIBOWITZ, head of Act II Partners, a media hedge fund

KENNETH POLLACK, for CIA analysts, director of Saban Center for Middle East Policy, writes op-eds in NY Times, New Yorker

BARRY DILLER, chair of USA Interactive, former owner of Universal Entertainment

KENNETH ROTH, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch

RICHARD LEIBNER, runs the N.S. Bienstock talent agency, which represents 600 news personalities such as Dan Rather, Dianne Sawyer and Bill O'Reilly.

TERRY SEMEL, CEO, Yahoo, former chair, Warner Bros.

MARK GOLIN, VP and Creative Director, AOL

WARREN LIEBERFORD, Pres., Warner Bros. Home Video Div. of AOL- TimeWarner

JEFFREY ZUCKER, President of NBC Entertainment

JACK MYERS, NBC, chief.NYT 5.14.2

SANDY GRUSHOW, chair of Fox Entertainment

GAIL BERMAN, president of Fox Entertainment

STEPHEN SPIELBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks

JEFFREY KATZENBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks

DAVID GEFFEN, co-owner of Dreamworks

LLYOD BRAUN, chair of ABC Entertainment

JORDAN LEVIN, president of Warner Bros. Entertainment

MAX MUTCHNICK, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"

DAVID KOHAN, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"

HOWARD STRINGER, chief of Sony Corp. of America

AMY PASCAL, chair of Columbia Pictures

JOEL KLEIN, chair and CEO of Bertelsmann's American operations

ROBERT SILLERMAN, founder of Clear Channel Communications

BRIAN GRADEN, president of MTV entertainment

IVAN SEIDENBERG, CEO of Verizon Communications

WOLF BLITZER, host of CNN's Late Edition

LARRY KING, host of Larry King Live

TED KOPPEL, host of ABC's Nightline

ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN Reporter

PAULA ZAHN, CNN Host

MIKE WALLACE, Host of CBS, 60 Minutes

BARBARA WALTERS, Host, ABC's 20-20

MICHAEL LEDEEN, editor of National Review

BRUCE NUSSBAUM, editorial page editor, Business Week

DONALD GRAHAM, Chair and CEO of Newsweek and Washington Post, son of

CATHERINE GRAHAM MEYER, former owner of the Washington Post

HOWARD FINEMAN, Chief Political Columnist, Newsweek

WILLIAM KRISTOL, Editor, Weekly Standard, Exec. Director

Project for a New American Century (PNAC)

RON ROSENTHAL, Managing Editor, San Francisco Chronicle

PHIL BRONSTEIN, Executive Editor, San Francisco Chronicle,

RON OWENS, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

JOHN ROTHMAN, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

MICHAEL SAVAGE, Talk Show Host, KFSO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco) Syndicated in 100 markets

MICHAEL MEDVED, Talk Show Host, on 124 AM stations

DENNIS PRAGER, Talk Show Host, nationally syndicated from LA. Has Israeli flag on his home page.

BEN WATTENBERG, Moderator, PBS Think Tank.

ANDREW LACK, president of NBC

DANIEL MENAKER, Executive Director, Harper Collins

DAVID REMNICK, Editor, The New Yorker

NICHOLAS LEHMANN, writer, the New York

HENRICK HERTZBERG, Talk of the Town editor, The New Yorker

SAMUEL NEWHOUSE JR, and DONALD NEWHOUSE own Newhouse Publications, includes 26 newspapers in 22 cities; the Conde Nast magazine group, includes The New Yorker; Parade, the Sunday newspaper supplement; American City Business Journals, business newspapers published in more than 30 major cities in America; and interests in cable television programming and cable systems serving 1 million homes.

DONALD NEWHOUSE, chairman of the board of directors, Associated Press.

PETER R KANN, CEO, Wall Street Journal, Barron's

RALPH J. & BRIAN ROBERTS, Owners, Comcast-ATT Cable TV.

LAWRENCE KIRSHBAUM, CEO, AOL-Time Warner Book Group


Thankyou for taking the time to reseach and post this. I do like to see evidence and this was very informative :):)
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Themis;1110365 wrote: MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN, owner of NY Daily News, US News & World Report and chair of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American Organizations, one of the largest pro-Israel lobbying groups.

LESLIE MOONVES, president of CBS television, great-nephew of David Ben-Gurion, and co-chair with Norman Ornstein of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.

JONATHAN MILLER, chair and CEO of AOL division of AOL-Time-Warner

NEIL SHAPIRO, president of NBC News

JEFF GASPIN, Executive Vice-President, Programming, NBC

DAVID WESTIN, president of ABC News

SUMNER REDSTONE, CEO of Viacom, "world's biggest media giant" (Economist, 11/23/2) owns Viacom cable, CBS and MTVs all over the world, Blockbuster video rentals and Black Entertainment TV.

MICHAEL EISNER, major owner of Walt Disney, Capitol Cities, ABC.

RUPERT MURDOCH, Owner Fox TV, New York Post, London Times, News of the World (Jewish mother)

MEL KARMAZIN, president of CBS

DON HEWITT, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes, CBS

JEFF FAGER, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes II. CBS

DAVID POLTRACK, Executive Vice-President, Research and Planning, CBS

SANDY KRUSHOW, Chair, Fox Entertainment

LLOYD BRAUN, Chair, ABC Entertainment

BARRY MEYER, chair, Warner Bros.

SHERRY LANSING. President of Paramount Communications and Chairman of Paramount Pictures' Motion Picture Group.

HARVEY WEINSTEIN, CEO. Miramax Films.

BRAD SIEGEL., President, Turner Entertainment.

PETER CHERNIN, second in-command at Rupert Murdoch's News. Corp., owner of Fox TV

MARTY PERETZ, owner and publisher of the New Republic, which openly identifies itself as pro-Israel. Al Gore credits Marty with being his "mentor."

ARTHUR O. SULZBERGER, JR., publisher of the NY Times, the Boston Globe and other publications.

WILLIAM SAFIRE, syndicated columnist for the NYT.

TOM FRIEDMAN, syndicated columnist for the NYT.

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post. Honored by Honest Reporting.com, website monitoring "anti-Israel media."

RICHARD COHEN, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post

JEFF JACOBY, syndicated columnist for the Boston Globe

NORMAN ORNSTEIN, American Enterprise Inst., regular columnist for USA Today, news analyst for CBS, and co-chair with Leslie Moonves of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.

ARIE FLEISCHER, Dubya's press secretary.

STEPHEN EMERSON, every media outlet's first choice as an expert on domestic terrorism.

DAVID SCHNEIDERMAN, owner of the Village Voice and the New Times network of "alternative weeklies."

DENNIS LEIBOWITZ, head of Act II Partners, a media hedge fund

KENNETH POLLACK, for CIA analysts, director of Saban Center for Middle East Policy, writes op-eds in NY Times, New Yorker

BARRY DILLER, chair of USA Interactive, former owner of Universal Entertainment

KENNETH ROTH, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch

RICHARD LEIBNER, runs the N.S. Bienstock talent agency, which represents 600 news personalities such as Dan Rather, Dianne Sawyer and Bill O'Reilly.

TERRY SEMEL, CEO, Yahoo, former chair, Warner Bros.

MARK GOLIN, VP and Creative Director, AOL

WARREN LIEBERFORD, Pres., Warner Bros. Home Video Div. of AOL- TimeWarner

JEFFREY ZUCKER, President of NBC Entertainment

JACK MYERS, NBC, chief.NYT 5.14.2

SANDY GRUSHOW, chair of Fox Entertainment

GAIL BERMAN, president of Fox Entertainment

STEPHEN SPIELBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks

JEFFREY KATZENBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks

DAVID GEFFEN, co-owner of Dreamworks

LLYOD BRAUN, chair of ABC Entertainment

JORDAN LEVIN, president of Warner Bros. Entertainment

MAX MUTCHNICK, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"

DAVID KOHAN, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"

HOWARD STRINGER, chief of Sony Corp. of America

AMY PASCAL, chair of Columbia Pictures

JOEL KLEIN, chair and CEO of Bertelsmann's American operations

ROBERT SILLERMAN, founder of Clear Channel Communications

BRIAN GRADEN, president of MTV entertainment

IVAN SEIDENBERG, CEO of Verizon Communications

WOLF BLITZER, host of CNN's Late Edition

LARRY KING, host of Larry King Live

TED KOPPEL, host of ABC's Nightline

ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN Reporter

PAULA ZAHN, CNN Host

MIKE WALLACE, Host of CBS, 60 Minutes

BARBARA WALTERS, Host, ABC's 20-20

MICHAEL LEDEEN, editor of National Review

BRUCE NUSSBAUM, editorial page editor, Business Week

DONALD GRAHAM, Chair and CEO of Newsweek and Washington Post, son of

CATHERINE GRAHAM MEYER, former owner of the Washington Post

HOWARD FINEMAN, Chief Political Columnist, Newsweek

WILLIAM KRISTOL, Editor, Weekly Standard, Exec. Director

Project for a New American Century (PNAC)

RON ROSENTHAL, Managing Editor, San Francisco Chronicle

PHIL BRONSTEIN, Executive Editor, San Francisco Chronicle,

RON OWENS, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

JOHN ROTHMAN, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

MICHAEL SAVAGE, Talk Show Host, KFSO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco) Syndicated in 100 markets

MICHAEL MEDVED, Talk Show Host, on 124 AM stations

DENNIS PRAGER, Talk Show Host, nationally syndicated from LA. Has Israeli flag on his home page.

BEN WATTENBERG, Moderator, PBS Think Tank.

ANDREW LACK, president of NBC

DANIEL MENAKER, Executive Director, Harper Collins

DAVID REMNICK, Editor, The New Yorker

NICHOLAS LEHMANN, writer, the New York

HENRICK HERTZBERG, Talk of the Town editor, The New Yorker

SAMUEL NEWHOUSE JR, and DONALD NEWHOUSE own Newhouse Publications, includes 26 newspapers in 22 cities; the Conde Nast magazine group, includes The New Yorker; Parade, the Sunday newspaper supplement; American City Business Journals, business newspapers published in more than 30 major cities in America; and interests in cable television programming and cable systems serving 1 million homes.

DONALD NEWHOUSE, chairman of the board of directors, Associated Press.

PETER R KANN, CEO, Wall Street Journal, Barron's

RALPH J. & BRIAN ROBERTS, Owners, Comcast-ATT Cable TV.

LAWRENCE KIRSHBAUM, CEO, AOL-Time Warner Book Group


So how do you know they are jewish? I'm fairly sure rupert murdoch isn't for example.
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spot;1110034 wrote: You're an American? 1776?

You're an American? No way! Who'd a thunk it.


Seriously spot....everytime???
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shelbell;1110926 wrote: Seriously spot....everytime???


The question was about America!!

"When did news reporting change from informing the public of facts to using the news hour(s) as a platform to sway public opinion" relates to an American phenomenon. The place has been called "The United States of Amnesia" to reflect this tendency to forget the past and ignore present reality while inventing useless high-tension entertainment like Amber Alerts.

It's Gore Vidal's phrase, not mine. I'd love to have coined it but I'm not that clever.
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Kindle;1110032 wrote: When did news reporting change from informing the public of facts to using the news hour(s) as a platform to sway public opinion? Some people in the news are talking about the blatant bias we currently are experiencing, but nothing is being done to change this. There does not seem to be much truth in reporting anymore. Why do you think this has been allowed to evole this way?


The media is not reporting in a bias fashion to sway public opinion. They are not that powerfull and your government is guilty of proganda in the first instance to sway American opinion that it needs to fund a terrorist Israeli government. Does your government for example advertise the fact that the American tax-payer has been donating to the average 2 billion Dollars it give's Israel every year since 1971? While your own country is in financial meltdown, your government continue's to tax you and give it to the Israeli government.

The invasion of Gaza and the murder of innocent Palistinian's is reported as it is....with fact. The media also reports fairly on rocket attacks on Southern Israel by Hamas, however, Hamas is not killing 1,055 (the latest figure) innocent people, one third of being confirmed as children. Hamas is not causing new born babie's dying because they have cut off electricity in hospitals. Hamas is not bombing the UN compound depriving children of basic food and water after 'Rice' told them not to. Hamas is not herding women and children into safe houses and then bombing them 24 hours later.

The rest of the world reports the facts. America shields you from it. On another thread, i was even asked by an American to back up with a link that the UN compound had been bombed. So, propoganda or factual reporting??????
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spot;1111038 wrote: The question was about America!!

"When did news reporting change from informing the public of facts to using the news hour(s) as a platform to sway public opinion" relates to an American phenomenon. The place has been called "The United States of Amnesia" to reflect this tendency to forget the past and ignore present reality while inventing useless high-tension entertainment like Amber Alerts.

It's Gore Vidal's phrase, not mine. I'd love to have coined it but I'm not that clever.


Amber alerts are NOT entertainment!!
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shelbell;1112879 wrote: Amber alerts are NOT entertainment!!


They're certainly bloody ineffective as a quick reaction to child abductions!
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spot;1111038 wrote: while inventing useless high-tension entertainment like Amber Alerts.

.


Shame on you.

I'm sure parents who have lost a child and are frantic to find them would not answer your opinion as kindly.




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spot;1112903 wrote: They're certainly bloody ineffective as a quick reaction to child abductions!


Children are being located through this all the time.




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Kindle;1113007 wrote: Children are being located through this all the time.


The last time I counted there were 35 children in the entire history of Amber Alerts from the entire US added up over all the years that the scheme has been in existence who weren't either related to the person accused of taking them or with that person with initial parental permission. That was in 2007.

The whole scheme nationally had declared 198 alerts. Ever. That was in 2007, I don't imagine the picture's changed a lot.

By what stretch of linguistic abuse can you say "Children are being located through this all the time" given that the scheme covers over 300 million people?

Would you like to tell me my numbers are wrong?
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spot;1113015 wrote: The last time I counted there were 35 children in the entire history of Amber Alerts from the entire US added up over all the years that the scheme has been in existence who weren't either related to the person accused of taking them or with that person with initial parental permission. That was in 2007.

The whole scheme nationally had declared 198 alerts. Ever. That was in 2007, I don't imagine the picture's changed a lot.

By what stretch of linguistic abuse can you say "Children are being located through this all the time" given that the scheme covers over 300 million people?

Would you like to tell me my numbers are wrong?


I am thankful for the 35.




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Kindle;1113019 wrote: I am thankful for the 35.I'm not, I think it's a frightful confidence trick given the actual numbers of abducted children who go missing year after year in the US. The grotesquely exaggerated publicity given to each Amber Alert case means that the ignorant multitude glued to their televisions believe effective policing's taking place whereas the system in practice is a whitewash.

Would you like to at least have the decency to retract your "children are being located through this all the time"?
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spot;1113027 wrote:

Would you like to at least have the decency to retract your "children are being located through this all the time"?


I would not!

In regards to the value of life, you obviously have very different values than most of the people I know.




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Kindle;1113030 wrote: I would not!

You obviously have very different values than most of the people I know.


It would seem so. I'm anxious that the genuine scale of missing children is recognized and made a priority instead of allowing this sticking plaster scheme to pretend it has the problem under control.

Try mixing some logic and fact with your empathic reaction.
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Idgie;1113039 wrote: Actually Spot, since 1984, The National Center For Missing and Exploited Children has assisted law-enforcement with more than 148,160 missing-child cases, resulting in the recovery of more than 132,000 children.

Since 1997, the AMBER Alert program has been credited with the safe recovery of 426 children. To date there is a network of 120 AMBER Plans across the country.

Statistics


Are you reading this, Spot!




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Idgie;1113039 wrote: Actually Spot, since 1984, The National Center For Missing and Exploited Children has assisted law-enforcement with more than 148,160 missing-child cases, resulting in the recovery of more than 132,000 children.

Since 1997, the AMBER Alert program has been credited with the safe recovery of 426 children. To date there is a network of 120 AMBER Plans across the country.

Statistics


Thanks for the numbers, Idgie. I don't think it will make a difference in Spot's thoughts on this tho.




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Idgie;1113039 wrote: Actually Spot, since 1984, The National Center For Missing and Exploited Children has assisted law-enforcement with more than 148,160 missing-child cases, resulting in the recovery of more than 132,000 children.

Since 1997, the AMBER Alert program has been credited with the safe recovery of 426 children. To date there is a network of 120 AMBER Plans across the country.

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I'm utterly delighted to have had my 1997 figures brought up to date.

What does The National Center For Missing and Exploited Children have to do with Amber Alerts? Absolutely nothing whatever.

Twelve years of national statistics for Amber Alerts totals around 500 cases solved and unsolved, successful and unsuccessful? Less than one child per state per year? That's so pathetic. I rest my case. Every Amber Alert masks several hundred genuinely missing children on low priority going-nowhere reports who stay lost. Even The National Center For Missing and Exploited Children lists sixteen thousand of them reported and still missing.
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Kindle;1113019 wrote: I am thankful for the 35.


I couldn't agree more. That's 35 kids that were reunited with their families. That's 35 kids that could have been murdered, molested, etc. I would say that any number would be a positive!!!
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Britain is considering using the Amber Alert system.

I'd far rather go with a truely inspiring lady called 'Sarah Payne' and her 'Sarah's Law'.

This is the right for every mother to be imformed of the wher-abouts of every sex offenders residence should they need to consult the national register.
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I once saw a site that shows the list of sex offenders-I forget what it was. But I pulled it up, since there is an elementary school across the street. Someone one block away on the list showed up, I was surprised they were allowed to live so close to young children., there are restrictions on how close they can be to schools.
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chonsigirl;1113515 wrote: I once saw a site that shows the list of sex offenders-I forget what it was. But I pulled it up, since there is an elementary school across the street. Someone one block away on the list showed up, I was surprised they were allowed to live so close to young children., there are restrictions on how close they can be to schools.


The one thing the site listing sex offenders by ZIP code I saw did not do was to give a realistic indication of the severity of the offence that gave rise to the listing.

It is very possible that a person with a low grade offence who is not considered to be a danger to others would be allowed to live that close.
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oscar;1113502 wrote: Britain is considering using the Amber Alert system.

I'd far rather go with a truely inspiring lady called 'Sarah Payne' and her 'Sarah's Law'.

This is the right for every mother to be imformed of the wher-abouts of every sex offenders residence should they need to consult the national register.


The US has this also. You can go on the net and it will show with a star on a map every sex offender. It is truely frightening to see. Neighborhoods you would think are free of these kinds of people, are not. It's a real eyeopener.

This plus the Amber Alert and anything else they can come up with to catch these creeps is good.




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oscar;1113502 wrote: Britain is considering using the Amber Alert system.

I'd far rather go with a truely inspiring lady called 'Sarah Payne' and her 'Sarah's Law'.

This is the right for every mother to be imformed of the wher-abouts of every sex offenders residence should they need to consult the national register.


Why not have both Oscar? Sounds like a good combination to me.
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Bryn Mawr;1113533 wrote: The one thing the site listing sex offenders by ZIP code I saw did not do was to give a realistic indication of the severity of the offence that gave rise to the listing.

It is very possible that a person with a low grade offence who is not considered to be a danger to others would be allowed to live that close.


Also, if accused, you are guilty. They tend to err on the side of caution when it comes to children.




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Bryn Mawr;1113533 wrote: The one thing the site listing sex offenders by ZIP code I saw did not do was to give a realistic indication of the severity of the offence that gave rise to the listing.

It is very possible that a person with a low grade offence who is not considered to be a danger to others would be allowed to live that close.


Yes, you are right, Bryn. It just listed the offender, the address, and restricted area.
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chonsigirl;1113570 wrote: Yes, you are right, Bryn. It just listed the offender, the address, and restricted area.


A serious failing in my eyes - the danger of tarring them all with the same brush and considering a marginal case to be as bad as the worst of the predatory paedophiles is very real.
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Bryn Mawr;1113598 wrote: A serious failing in my eyes - the danger of tarring them all with the same brush and considering a marginal case to be as bad as the worst of the predatory paedophiles is very real.


Then there is the question of vigilante's.
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Bryn Mawr;1113598 wrote: A serious failing in my eyes - the danger of tarring them all with the same brush and considering a marginal case to be as bad as the worst of the predatory paedophiles is very real.


My middle daughter was friends with a girl in the neighborhood and then we found out her dad was on the sex offenders list. Needless to say, daughter wasn't allowed over there again.

I think one way to look at the list is too look more for the older offenders because they are the ones that have probably done the worst offences. The young one are probably more apt to have done something with an underage kid, yet not so far apart in age. Of course I do know of a couple of younger offenders that have commited terrible acts toward younger children. Oh well, I just contradicted myself and guess mine is a moot point. :thinking::thinking:
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Bryn Mawr;1113598 wrote: A serious failing in my eyes - the danger of tarring them all with the same brush and considering a marginal case to be as bad as the worst of the predatory paedophiles is very real.


When something is first started, it never runs as good as it will when they streamline it to get the best information out of the system. Right now, something is better than nothing. You err with the safety of the children.




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shelbell;1113615 wrote: My middle daughter was friends with a girl in the neighborhood and then we found out her dad was on the sex offenders list. Needless to say, daughter wasn't allowed over there again.

I think one way to look at the list is too look more for the older offenders because they are the ones that have probably done the worst offences. The young one are probably more apt to have done something with an underage kid, yet not so far apart in age. Of course I do know of a couple of younger offenders that have commited terrible acts toward younger children. Oh well, I just contradicted myself and guess mine is a moot point. :thinking::thinking:


Did you ever find out what her dad had done to be put on the register? That his daughter was allowed to live at home and still did is interesting.

Given that listing is usually for life regardless of the original offence and that young people get older I'm not sure your rule of thumb will be too reliable.

These sites need to give a severity rating or they are worse than useless - they will actually make the situation worse.
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Bryn Mawr;1113625 wrote: Did you ever find out what her dad had done to be put on the register? That his daughter was allowed to live at home and still did is interesting.

Given that listing is usually for life regardless of the original offence and that young people get older I'm not sure your rule of thumb will be too reliable.

These sites need to give a severity rating or they are worse than useless - they will actually make the situation worse.


He molested one of his daughters friends at about 12yrs old. He didn't live there, he wasn't allowed, but we found out he did get in some unauthorized visits.

Our offenders are only on the list for 10yrs. I don't know how the other states are.
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Kindle;1113617 wrote: When something is first started, it never runs as good as it will when they streamline it to get the best information out of the system. Right now, something is better than nothing. You err with the safety of the children.


The range of offences that can lead to a person being places on the sex offender's register is so broad that I'm not sure you're right. When Sarah's Law and its equivalents in other countries were first proposed there was a lot of debate that, unless the information was presented in a meaningful way, a lot of damage could be done to the communities involved and that included harming the children in those communities. The fear was centred around exactly the type of website being described where every entry is labelled paedophile.
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Bryn Mawr;1113633 wrote: The range of offences that can lead to a person being places on the sex offender's register is so broad that I'm not sure you're right. When Sarah's Law and its equivalents in other countries were first proposed there was a lot of debate that, unless the information was presented in a meaningful way, a lot of damage could be done to the communities involved and that included harming the children in those communities. The fear was centred around exactly the type of website being described where every entry is labelled paedophile.


I'm thankful that our register isn't like that. It does give a brief description of what their offence was...such as: molestation under 15, rape, etc...
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shelbell;1113631 wrote: He molested one of his daughters friends at about 12yrs old. He didn't live there, he wasn't allowed, but we found out he did get in some unauthorized visits.

Our offenders are only on the list for 10yrs. I don't know how the other states are.


Likely jail time if you reported him then.

Here, the rules are :-

It depends on the offence. Those given a jail sentence of more than 30 months for sexual offending are placed on the register indefinitely. Those imprisoned for between six and 30 months remain on the register for 10 years, or five years if they are under 18. Those sentenced for six months or less are placed on the register for seven years, or three and a half years if under 18. Those cautioned for a sexual offence are put on the register for two years, or one year if under 18.


Thus, if you are cautioned for taking a pee behind the wrong bush after a night down the pub you'll be on the register for two years. A site that just shows those on the register with no indication of severity will not differentiate between you and the worst serial child rapist.
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Bryn Mawr;1113639 wrote: Likely jail time if you reported him then.

Here, the rules are :-



Thus, if you are cautioned for taking a pee behind the wrong bush after a night down the pub you'll be on the register for two years. A site that just shows those on the register with no indication of severity will not differentiate between you and the worst serial child rapist.


Since we stopped our daughter from going there, we didn't know when he was there, so we couldn't report him...I'm sure they'd have to catch him in the act. I'm in Illinois so what I wrote was for our state.
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shelbell;1113646 wrote: Since we stopped our daughter from going there, we didn't know when he was there, so we couldn't report him...I'm sure they'd have to catch him in the act. I'm in Illinois so what I wrote was for our state.


I realise that, I'm just surprised that the mother allows him to visit whilst his daughter's friends are present in breach of his terms and conditions - sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
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Bryn Mawr;1113673 wrote: I realise that, I'm just surprised that the mother allows him to visit whilst his daughter's friends are present in breach of his terms and conditions - sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.


This happened years ago, so I really have no idea what the situation is now, but was giving an example. My oldest daughter lived with a sex offender for about a year. She was not in her right mind at the time. He was on the list because of sex with a minor...it didn't give an age. Thankfully she got her life together and is now married to a wonderful man.
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on this website: National Sex Offender Registry

you can get all the info. Above the person's photo there are tabs that you can click on to get all their info. including their alias, convictions, etc.
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sunny104;1114183 wrote: on this website: National Sex Offender Registry

you can get all the info. Above the person's photo there are tabs that you can click on to get all their info. including their alias, convictions, etc.


Awesome Sunny, thanks. :-6
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