Wtf.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:28 pm

Well I dont know anybody who speaks bad of you......and rightly so;)

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:31 pm

Themis;1112406 wrote: I know that many may not like me or think(fink) me foolish, I know that I have some love from members, they speak with me everyday.. although we lose with the absence of Nomad and Accountable(my twin) and Kathy's young heart I still smile

let me tell you this: I don't hate anybody.. especially Americans who are my blood...

JFK, RIP.

I enjoy your threads Themis. They are varied and thought provocing. I respect your views and anyone on this forum who can't grasp that we all have oppossing views.......is a bigot :-6:-6

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:40 pm

I just pm'd you Themis:-6:p;)

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:23 pm

Themis;1112406 wrote: I know that many may not like me or think(fink) me foolish, I know that I have some love from members, they speak with me everyday.. although we lose with the absence of Nomad and Accountable(my twin) and Kathy's young heart I still smile

let me tell you this: I don't hate anybody.. especially Americans who are my blood...

JFK, RIP.

I fear that some of our American friends are a touch oversensitive at the moment and seeing anti-US sentiment where it does not exist.

You are more than welcome in the Garden - I know of no-one who speaks against you.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:27 pm

Bryn Mawr;1112551 wrote: I fear that some of our American friends are a touch oversensitive at the moment and seeing anti-US sentiment where it does not exist.

You are more than welcome in the Garden - I know of no-one who speaks against you.

Oh Bryn, I do see it exist from some members here.....

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:34 pm

Kathy Ellen;1112557 wrote: Oh Bryn, I do see it exist from some members here.....

Against US foreign policy, not against Americans per se.

Everyone's different and I cannot speak for everyone but I do see several of the American members being oversensitive.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:52 pm

Bryn Mawr;1112573 wrote: Against US foreign policy, not against Americans per se.

Everyone's different and I cannot speak for everyone but I do see several of the American members being oversensitive.

Bryn, Unfortunately you haven't seen the sarcasm against the people....Please look more carefully next time.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:59 pm

Kathy Ellen;1112602 wrote: Bryn, Unfortunately you haven't seen the sarcasm against the people....Please look more carefully next time.

I'm looking - must be a different viewpoint

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:20 pm

No, really Bryn, it has been there. I think that is what the glitch has been here lately, many are afraid to post sometimes. (I know I have not posted much, because it does upset a person, and hurts their feelings to read it) It has lightened up lately, but next time there is something we see, I think it is a good time to discuss it. It might be totally different perceptions of a statement or phrase, and there is a lack of understanding on both sides. I think it would be a good idea to have a discussion about it, and not a debate. Then people feel defensive, and the subject itself is not resolved.

That is what makes FG a unique place-a multi-cultural forum. I think since we are all good friends after all these years, we could talk about it, if it happens again. This idea should go for anyone.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:24 pm

chonsigirl;1112643 wrote: No, really Bryn, it has been there. I think that is what the glitch has been here lately, many are afraid to post sometimes. (I know I have not posted much, because it does upset a person, and hurts their feelings to read it) It has lightened up lately, but next time there is something we see, I think it is a good time to discuss it. It might be totally different perceptions of a statement or phrase, and there is a lack of understanding on both sides. I think it would be a good idea to have a discussion about it, and not a debate. Then people feel defensive, and the subject itself is not resolved.

That is what makes FG a unique place-a multi-cultural forum. I think since we are all good friends after all these years, we could talk about it, if it happens again. This idea should go for anyone.

Chonsi, You're always the wise woman, aren't you....That's a good idea:-6

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:33 pm

chonsigirl;1112643 wrote: No, really Bryn, it has been there. I think that is what the glitch has been here lately, many are afraid to post sometimes. (I know I have not posted much, because it does upset a person, and hurts their feelings to read it) It has lightened up lately, but next time there is something we see, I think it is a good time to discuss it. It might be totally different perceptions of a statement or phrase, and there is a lack of understanding on both sides. I think it would be a good idea to have a discussion about it, and not a debate. Then people feel defensive, and the subject itself is not resolved.

That is what makes FG a unique place-a multi-cultural forum. I think since we are all good friends after all these years, we could talk about it, if it happens again. This idea should go for anyone.

No-one should be afraid to post their opinion and I really would be happy if we could discuss this lack of understanding.

I have seen a lot of anger about the abuse of power, both by Israel against Gaza and by the US against Iraq, but I cannot say I have seen personal animosity against Americans.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:21 pm

It's one of the reasons I haven't been here much.

I understand what the Americans are saying and initially thought maybe everyones just being oversensitive, at the time I couldn't see anything outwardly bad.

But, now, everytime I pop in theres yet another thread thats goading. It's getting boring and tiresome in my opinion.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:28 pm

Betty Boop;1112685 wrote: It's one of the reasons I haven't been here much.

I understand what the Americans are saying and initially thought maybe everyones just being oversensitive, at the time I couldn't see anything outwardly bad.

But, now, everytime I pop in theres yet another thread thats goading. It's getting boring and tiresome in my opinion.

I agree Betty...think that's why it's hard to post in FG.....

But, I do think things will get better and we'll start having some fun...:-6

We have a new member here named "Leave me Alone." We can party at his flat.....Unfortunately, our party ended early tonight as the American football games came on at 6 tonight.

What a waste of my pretty, blue party dress:p

Are you ever going to open up your inn again....It seemed lovely:-6

Post by **Betty Boop** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:35 pm

Kathy Ellen;1112689 wrote: I agree Betty...think that's why it's hard to post in FG.....

But, I do think things will get better and we'll start having some fun...:-6

We have a new member here named "Leave me Alone." We can party at his flat.....Unfortunately, our party ended early tonight as the American football games came on at 6 tonight.

What a waste of my pretty, blue party dress:p

Are you ever going to open up your inn again....It seemed lovely:-6

Maybe I will, and will pester Theia to get back to running it :wah:. Really busy with uni at the moment, in the last two weeks of our semester so have a big exam to prepare for and a 2000 word essay to get done. Must go to sleep, have a lecture tomorrow.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:42 pm

JAB;1112679 wrote: But that's not up to you decide though, Bryn. Feelings are just that - feelings. They are never wrong to the individual feeling them. For you to say Americans are being 'overly sensitive' just excuses the comments and gives folks justification to continue the practice.

Perhaps it is certain non-Americans that are being 'overly sensitive' hearing the feedback.

I've every right to decide my opinions about what is being posted - I see the posts and I see the responses and, in my humble opinion, the Americans are being oversensitive.

We see a different perspective on the world news over here - we see the death toll in Iraq and Gaza and the film of injuries caused by white phosphorus and the lack of due cause and yes, we are angry at what is being done in our name. If we call it as we see it then we are accused of being anti-American and against the American people.

Sorry, not true.

I am anti-war. The war in Iraq is illegal and unjust. The war in Gaza is not war, it is massacre.

How does stating this become anti-American - does the war in Iraq or the support of Israel define America?

Just as you have the right to your feelings, I have the right to mine and they say that the war is wrong and should be fought wherever it is supported.

Does that make me anti-American - I do not believe so.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:47 pm

Betty Boop;1112691 wrote: Maybe I will, and will pester Theia to get back to running it :wah:. Really busy with uni at the moment, in the last two weeks of our semester so have a big exam to prepare for and a 2000 word essay to get done. Must go to sleep, have a lecture tomorrow.

Good luck Betty with uni....It's a tough road but worth all the work:-6

Miss you in the garden...would love to come to your inn and sit near the fireplace with a lovely book and glass of merloe and just chat with you and Theia:-4

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:54 pm

Betty Boop;1112685 wrote: It's one of the reasons I haven't been here much.

I understand what the Americans are saying and initially thought maybe everyones just being oversensitive, at the time I couldn't see anything outwardly bad.

But, now, everytime I pop in theres yet another thread thats goading. It's getting boring and tiresome in my opinion.
I agree, very boring and tiresome..

Real conversation has moved away from the garden, that's the real shame of it, IMO.

It's great that the OP doesn't profess to hate Americans. It might even have been worth the space he used up writing that had he not posted about fat and stupid Americans within days of this post.

Not to worry though.. he's someones pet, so much more important to the place then the members we've lost lately... let's all rush to reassure him that it's just fine being an ******* because he has issues. That sends a nice positive message to the other ******** out there that it's free passes at Americans here in the garden..

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:01 pm

Here'a a thought... why don't we americans just turn these threads into discussions on anal sex? how about oral sex? three ways?

we can create a thread titled wtf but a thread asking about whether folks have ever engaged in anal sex is somehow out-of-bounds to you people?

Get's the thread yanked faster then most of you can yank yourselves!

I agree... WTF???

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:43 pm

Bryn Mawr;1112697 wrote: I've every right to decide my opinions about what is being posted - I see the posts and I see the responses and, in my humble opinion, the Americans are being oversensitive.

We see a different perspective on the world news over here - we see the death toll in Iraq and Gaza and the film of injuries caused by white phosphorus and the lack of due cause and yes, we are angry at what is being done in our name. If we call it as we see it then we are accused of being anti-American and against the American people.

Sorry, not true.

I am anti-war. The war in Iraq is illegal and unjust. The war in Gaza is not war, it is massacre.

How does stating this become anti-American - does the war in Iraq or the support of Israel define America?

Just as you have the right to your feelings, I have the right to mine and they say that the war is wrong and should be fought wherever it is supported.

Does that make me anti-American - I do not believe so.

No, it does not make you anti-American at all, Bryn.

I think sometimes when discussing the war in Gaza, there are layers not discussed yet, and I think most of us shy away from it. I think that is one reason, more reticency on our parts, because it will delve into religious ideology, political policy, and various other topics which might be considered off topic but would explain our viewpoint. So, we are afraid to add those components to make a more rounded discussion, to see what the American opinion about Israel would be. (conflicting news reports alone would make an interesting thread on that topic also)

You have every right to your opinions, as do we all. I think it is not that thread alone we were refering to, things have shown up on multiple threads. I think as our number dwindle, I think back to AC, he had some valid points at the time-and then we sadly were afraid to speak out. I think we have passed that point, and are looking for a peaceful garden, full of the discussion we have always had before, but more understanding back and forth between us all. The blame is partially ours, for not saying something when we see it-the conflict within ourselves at causing a disruption in FG, and then letting it "slide" has led us to talk about it now.

I have nothing but respect for your opinions, Bryn.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:20 am

Themis;1112954 wrote: I understand where you are coming from but you must understand my statement regarding Americans being fat and dumb was in the context of the perception of what a bloke just said... the statement that I read it somewhere was an unverified verification of the lack of facts, I noticed that no one understood but then I realized the lack of replies to this comment was a bit surprising..

If you wish to really believe that I think all Americans are fat and Dumb then please go ahead........

I believe in what America stands for and not what it's become, if this hurts your feelings on a personal level there is nothing I can do or would wish to.

A lot of members are very sensitive... I believe we all should accommodate this in the best way that we can.

Oh, you don't hurt my feelings at all, I consider the source, when it comes to you. It would be admirable if you had the balls to keep one name, be the same person when you flit to and from the garden, dropping your little crap bombs and then leaving all traumatized when folks get fed up enough to call you on it rather then pretend its okay because they think you are new or you haven't crapped on something important to them yet...

How about giving us your bigoted views on folks that have strong religious belief, dear... let's let some of the newer folks see just how sensitive and unoffensive you can be when you really put your heart into it..:rolleyes:

There used to be rules about multiple user accounts here. Perhaps if those rules applied to you too, others wouldn't sit there wondering why folks are so sensitive when they call you on your crap or don't automatically give you the pat on the back of encouragement you advertise for with these threads once you do get called on it.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:44 am

Bryn Mawr;1112573 wrote: Against US foreign policy, not against Americans per se.

Everyone's different and I cannot speak for everyone but I do see several of the American members being oversensitive.
I think so too. That, I think comes from America being so insulated within itself. I remember. But when they come out from under the bed, and see the world for themselves, that sensitivity lessens with time. I remember that too. The trick is to listen. And view the world and it's inhabitants with new eyes and understanding.

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:30 am

flopstock;1112712 wrote: Here'a a thought... why don't we americans just turn these threads into discussions on anal sex? how about oral sex? three ways?we can create a thread titled wtf but a thread asking about whether folks have ever engaged in anal sex is somehow out-of-bounds to you people?

Get's the thread yanked faster then most of you can yank yourselves!

I agree... WTF???

aaah, the good ol' days! :-4

:D :wah:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:42 am

Themis;1114006 wrote: I do not have multiple or duplicate accounts, I change my name simply because I get bored of the old ones, WTF as it got to do with you?

I am not Anti American either, your post are just bitter, I can learn so very much by reading your words and I would seriously suggest that you both take a vacation.

Some people should stop letting others depress them so much, this forum is for people to express themselves or their views and opinions.

You tell them Themis.. Well said.

If they don't like your threads or posts, they should ignore them. Responding to them shows they want to be admired by you but can't admit it.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:43 am

Raven;1114012 wrote: I think so too. That, I think comes from America being so insulated within itself. I remember. But when they come out from under the bed, and see the world for themselves, that sensitivity lessens with time. I remember that too. The trick is to listen. And view the world and it's inhabitants with new eyes and understanding.

Hi Raven....... Great to have you back :-6:-6

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:32 am

oscar;1114232 wrote: Hi Raven....... Great to have you back :-6:-6
Great to be back! I've missed all of you terribly! Hope to catch up soon! Cant wait to meet some of you on the the meet! Are you coming? xx

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:43 am

Raven;1114252 wrote: Great to be back! I've missed all of you terribly! Hope to catch up soon! Cant wait to meet some of you on the the meet! Are you coming? xx

I shall be there. :-6

Will you help me throw Jimbo in the Thames?:sneaky:

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:46 am

oscar;1114262 wrote: I shall be there. :-6

Will you help me throw Jimbo in the Thames?:sneaky:
Of course I will! Sounds fun! Hope he has had his typhoid jab, cause the Thames is NAAAAAAASTY!:yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:49 am

Raven;1114266 wrote: Of course I will! Sounds fun! Hope he has had his typhoid jab, cause the Thames is NAAAAAAASTY!:yh_rotfl

The Thames will be far more polluted once Jumbo kebab has had his dip in it.

It's not as bad now.. Mr O even fishes there.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:52 am

oscar;1114270 wrote: The Thames will be far more polluted once Jumbo kebab has had his dip in it.

It's not as bad now.. Mr O even fishes there.
EEEEWWWW!!! I cross the Thames everyday in a little faerie boat called the Duchess. Tilbury to Gravesend. On some days it's like crossing a sewer! PHEW!

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:12 am

For you Themis.

:-6:-6:-6:-6:-6

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:34 pm

Raven;1114012 wrote: I think so too. That, I think comes from America being so insulated within itself. I remember. But when they come out from under the bed, and see the world for themselves, that sensitivity lessens with time. I remember that too. The trick is to listen. And view the world and it's inhabitants with new eyes and understanding.

You, certainly, are prepared to discuss deep differences without feeling you're under attack :-6

I find it very hard to understand the attitude of some who appear to think "disagree with the actions of our armed forces and you insult us all, disagree with the actions of our government and you attack us all" regardless of what is being disagreed with or why.

As you say, the trick is to listen. Then, if you don't like what you hear, say why it is wrong, not that you shouldn't be disagreed with in the first place.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:51 pm

Bryn Mawr;1114381 wrote: You, certainly, are prepared to discuss deep differences without feeling you're under attack :-6

I find it very hard to understand the attitude of some who appear to think "disagree with the actions of our armed forces and you insult us all, disagree with the actions of our government and you attack us all" regardless of what is being disagreed with or why.

As you say, the trick is to listen. Then, if you don't like what you hear, say why it is wrong, not that you shouldn't be disagreed with in the first place.

As ever Bryn..... wise words:-6:-6:-6

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:31 pm

Themis;1114545 wrote: Oh thank you oscar

and one for you.

YouTube - Within You, Without You

Thank you Themis......... We Understand each other :-6:-6:-6

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:08 am

jimbo;1114916 wrote: i disagree with 90% of what you say mate ,yet i feel no malice towards you at all ,your personal integrity shines like a beacon :-6:-6

it takes a big man to admit when he is wrong as you have here with themis

that is what makes our differences so very interesting ,i know you believe you are right .... even though logic and facts seem to tell me you are wrong

when we went to war the 2nd time ,just after 9/11 ,my daughter lives near there and i never knew if she was alive or dead ,i thought to go to war on the facts i was given at the time (WMD ,stock piles of nerve gas etc)but now knowing the true facts i admit i was wrong

then thats where things get blurred here ,even though my army is fighting alongside your army ,every time i talk about the war i get accused of being anti american ,when my daughter is american and i have lived there and plan to again one day

You just had to do it didn't you? Mentioned the war again. tut tut Jumbo sausage.

:D

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:32 am

jimbo;1114916 wrote:

every time i talk about the war i get accused of being anti american ,when my daughter is american and i have lived there and plan to again one day

Yeah, you did :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:22 am

jimbo;1114938 wrote: oopps so i did

you tosser :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

sorry about that :-5:-5

its all this hush hush trying not to get on anyones nerves by talking about normal things that every one talks about every day and not mentioning the ... you know

Mentioning the what??

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:34 am

flopstock;1112712 wrote: we can create a thread titled wtf but a thread asking about whether folks have ever engaged in anal sex is somehow out-of-bounds to you people?

It wasnt sex !

It was a valid medical procedure.

Thats what he said anyway.