oscar;1113649 wrote: Feeling patriotic, I confess to getting some-what narked at the celtic one for high-lighting only British inadequeny's and wish he'd explain some of the financial bloopers that his own country is making. Your right and the Daily mail has to be the biggest culprit for panicking the nation into believing we are in total melt-down.
I can explain why we in Ireland have gotten into this mess. Firstly we have simply loved this boom too well, Too many people made so much easy money out of property, they were prepared to look the other way when it was apparent that we were sqaundering the real wealth we gained in the 1990s on a housing bubble in the noughties. We were not investing our capital in really productive things instead that would benefit the nation long-term, and instead listened to the BS of the slick financial types out for a quick buck, big big mistake. You have done something similar in the UK, though the situations are somewhat different and of course our overall economy is much smaller than yours.
Now that bubble has collapsed, and the debts accrued by financing it are crippling, as well as the hit the economy, employment, and tax revenues are experiencing from a collpase in the construction industry, which was 20 percent of our entire economy in 2006. This was on the cards anyway for us, unfortunately it has happened while the rest of the world has also gone into economic free fall, and that means that what was going to be a local but manageable short-term disaster has probably turned into a possible economic armageddon for Ireland.
To compound this, the men and women elected to serve in Dail Eireann seem to have forgotten that they are answerable to the citizens of this Republic and are not there to facilitate the vested interests of banks and property developers, we are in a economic firestorm at the moment, and they are throwing every resource we have left trying to prop up people and a system that is discredited and should be allowed to fail and then reformed, otherwise they are going to bankrupt and discredit the good name of the Irish nation.
I can tell you sincerely, that there are going to be very very serious political repercussions over here in 2009, of this I can assure you, the people are already angry and when the full gravity of what is being done to our State to protect the interests of the monied and the powerful few becomes fully apparent and the consequences for us ordinary citizens, that anger will turn to something much more. I am sure that Milkennie will agree with me completely on all of this.
And here it comes. The bankruptcy wave.
And here it comes. The bankruptcy wave.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
And here it comes. The bankruptcy wave.
jimbo;1113962 wrote: thanks hoff 
:D:D honest and fair as ever ... the only thing i see even a hint of bias in your posts is when you talk of aston villa :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Me? Biased about the Villa? Never!
COME ON YOU LIONS,
SUNDERLAND 1 VILLA 2,
TEN MEN, ALL HEROS!
UP THE VILLA!
:D:D honest and fair as ever ... the only thing i see even a hint of bias in your posts is when you talk of aston villa :rolleyes::rolleyes:Me? Biased about the Villa? Never!
COME ON YOU LIONS,
SUNDERLAND 1 VILLA 2,
TEN MEN, ALL HEROS!
UP THE VILLA!
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
And here it comes. The bankruptcy wave.
Galbally;1113963 wrote: I can explain why we in Ireland have gotten into this mess. Firstly we have simply loved this boom too well, Too many people made so much easy money out of property, they were prepared to look the other way when it was apparent that we were sqaundering the real wealth we gained in the 1990s on a housing bubble in the noughties. We were not investing our capital in really productive things instead that would benefit the nation long-term, and instead listened to the BS of the slick financial types out for a quick buck, big big mistake. You have done something similar in the UK, though the situations are somewhat different and of course our overall economy is much smaller than yours.
Now that bubble has collapsed, and the debts accrued by financing it are crippling, as well as the hit the economy, employment, and tax revenues are experiencing from a collpase in the construction industry, which was 20 percent of our entire economy in 2006. This was on the cards anyway for us, unfortunately it has happened while the rest of the world has also gone into economic free fall, and that means that what was going to be a local but manageable short-term disaster has probably turned into a possible economic armageddon for Ireland.
To compound this, the men and women elected to serve in Dail Eireann seem to have forgotten that they are answerable to the citizens of this Republic and are not there to facilitate the vested interests of banks and property developers, we are in a economic firestorm at the moment, and they are throwing every resource we have left trying to prop up people and a system that is discredited and should be allowed to fail and then reformed, otherwise they are going to bankrupt and discredit the good name of the Irish nation.
I can tell you sincerely, that there are going to be very very serious political repercussions over here in 2009, of this I can assure you, the people are already angry and when the full gravity of what is being done to our State to protect the interests of the monied and the powerful few becomes fully apparent and the consequences for us ordinary citizens, that anger will turn to something much more. I am sure that Milkennie will agree with me completely on all of this.
I fully agree. I am furious!:-5
Even with the Nationalization of Anglo Irish, they amended the legislation to let the feckers off the hook. They originally were going to freeze the bank deposits of those with massive loans against the bank as security against the loans, then they removed it so those thieves now can move whatever money they have left anywhere they want (like out of the country) while we are saddled with their bad debt.
The government does not understand why confidence is not being rebuilt in the banking system, and it is because this miss the point…. No Accountability!
The same feckers that bankrupted the whole thing are still running the banks, no investigated, no one charged, how could anyone possible have any confidence?
We need an election and we need one now.
Now that bubble has collapsed, and the debts accrued by financing it are crippling, as well as the hit the economy, employment, and tax revenues are experiencing from a collpase in the construction industry, which was 20 percent of our entire economy in 2006. This was on the cards anyway for us, unfortunately it has happened while the rest of the world has also gone into economic free fall, and that means that what was going to be a local but manageable short-term disaster has probably turned into a possible economic armageddon for Ireland.
To compound this, the men and women elected to serve in Dail Eireann seem to have forgotten that they are answerable to the citizens of this Republic and are not there to facilitate the vested interests of banks and property developers, we are in a economic firestorm at the moment, and they are throwing every resource we have left trying to prop up people and a system that is discredited and should be allowed to fail and then reformed, otherwise they are going to bankrupt and discredit the good name of the Irish nation.
I can tell you sincerely, that there are going to be very very serious political repercussions over here in 2009, of this I can assure you, the people are already angry and when the full gravity of what is being done to our State to protect the interests of the monied and the powerful few becomes fully apparent and the consequences for us ordinary citizens, that anger will turn to something much more. I am sure that Milkennie will agree with me completely on all of this.
I fully agree. I am furious!:-5
Even with the Nationalization of Anglo Irish, they amended the legislation to let the feckers off the hook. They originally were going to freeze the bank deposits of those with massive loans against the bank as security against the loans, then they removed it so those thieves now can move whatever money they have left anywhere they want (like out of the country) while we are saddled with their bad debt.
The government does not understand why confidence is not being rebuilt in the banking system, and it is because this miss the point…. No Accountability!
The same feckers that bankrupted the whole thing are still running the banks, no investigated, no one charged, how could anyone possible have any confidence?
We need an election and we need one now.
And here it comes. The bankruptcy wave.
mikeinie;1114015 wrote: I fully agree. I am furious!:-5
Even with the Nationalization of Anglo Irish, they amended the legislation to let the feckers off the hook. They originally were going to freeze the bank deposits of those with massive loans against the bank as security against the loans, then they removed it so those thieves now can move whatever money they have left anywhere they want (like out of the country) while we are saddled with their bad debt.
The government does not understand why confidence is not being rebuilt in the banking system, and it is because this miss the point…. No Accountability!
The same feckers that bankrupted the whole thing are still running the banks, no investigated, no one charged, how could anyone possible have any confidence?
We need an election and we need one now.
I agree, I want a General election, I knew Fianna Fail were morally bankrupt, but the actions of the top people in the Government in recent days are truly, awfully gobsmacking. It's an affront to this state, (which they supposedly fought for) what they are doing now, I actually cannot believe it.
Frankly, I have completely lost fundamental confidence in the people that are supposed to be running our State in the interest of the citizens of the Republic of Ireland.
These people need to be removed now, and a reckoning has to be made immeadiately for what has gone on, before the rest of the world also loses fundamental confidence in the Republic of Ireland as an economic entity.
At this stage I would urge people to start making serious representations to the President to dissolve this Dail forthwidth based on her basic duty to protect the interests of the citizens. I mean it.
Even with the Nationalization of Anglo Irish, they amended the legislation to let the feckers off the hook. They originally were going to freeze the bank deposits of those with massive loans against the bank as security against the loans, then they removed it so those thieves now can move whatever money they have left anywhere they want (like out of the country) while we are saddled with their bad debt.
The government does not understand why confidence is not being rebuilt in the banking system, and it is because this miss the point…. No Accountability!
The same feckers that bankrupted the whole thing are still running the banks, no investigated, no one charged, how could anyone possible have any confidence?
We need an election and we need one now.
I agree, I want a General election, I knew Fianna Fail were morally bankrupt, but the actions of the top people in the Government in recent days are truly, awfully gobsmacking. It's an affront to this state, (which they supposedly fought for) what they are doing now, I actually cannot believe it.
Frankly, I have completely lost fundamental confidence in the people that are supposed to be running our State in the interest of the citizens of the Republic of Ireland.
These people need to be removed now, and a reckoning has to be made immeadiately for what has gone on, before the rest of the world also loses fundamental confidence in the Republic of Ireland as an economic entity.
At this stage I would urge people to start making serious representations to the President to dissolve this Dail forthwidth based on her basic duty to protect the interests of the citizens. I mean it.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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To be honest, I'm wondering if it's time to move into the country and make sure I've a big enough garden to feed myself...I've never seen anything like this. Ever.
The crowd: "Yes! We are all individuals!"
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
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Clodhopper;1114123 wrote: To be honest, I'm wondering if it's time to move into the country and make sure I've a big enough garden to feed myself...I've never seen anything like this. Ever.
You obviously don't remember the Wilson government or Thatcher's.
Have you any idea of how much worse it is in America or Germany say?
Even Russia has it's problems.
Then look at the scare tactic headlines from Fleet Street who just love you to believe it's a 100 times worse than it is.
You obviously don't remember the Wilson government or Thatcher's.
Have you any idea of how much worse it is in America or Germany say?
Even Russia has it's problems.
Then look at the scare tactic headlines from Fleet Street who just love you to believe it's a 100 times worse than it is.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
And here it comes. The bankruptcy wave.
oscar;1114259 wrote: You obviously don't remember the Wilson government or Thatcher's.
Have you any idea of how much worse it is in America or Germany say?
Even Russia has it's problems.
Then look at the scare tactic headlines from Fleet Street who just love you to believe it's a 100 times worse than it is.
Why is that I wonder? What are they trying to cover with 'the world is coming to an end' smoke screen?
What is it EXACTLY they are trying to divert our attention from?
(I love conspiracy theories! Dont you?) Lets start one!
Have you any idea of how much worse it is in America or Germany say?
Even Russia has it's problems.
Then look at the scare tactic headlines from Fleet Street who just love you to believe it's a 100 times worse than it is.
Why is that I wonder? What are they trying to cover with 'the world is coming to an end' smoke screen?
What is it EXACTLY they are trying to divert our attention from?
(I love conspiracy theories! Dont you?) Lets start one!
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
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Wilson I just about remember. Thatcher was dramatic and threw out sooo many babies with the bathwater, but in this crisis the bath, the bathroom and the whole firkin house seem to be going as well!
btw, I stopped reading the papers a few years ago - basically when the Independent stopped being so. Mainly rely on the BBC website. Have missed all this "end of the world is nigh" stuff.
btw, I stopped reading the papers a few years ago - basically when the Independent stopped being so. Mainly rely on the BBC website. Have missed all this "end of the world is nigh" stuff.
The crowd: "Yes! We are all individuals!"
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
And here it comes. The bankruptcy wave.
Clodhopper;1114282 wrote: Wilson I just about remember. Thatcher was dramatic and threw out sooo many babies with the bathwater, but in this crisis the bath, the bathroom and the whole firkin house seem to be going as well!
btw, I stopped reading the papers a few years ago - basically when the Independent stopped being so. Mainly rely on the BBC website. Have missed all this "end of the world is nigh" stuff.
The BBC is so censored it's pathetic. They are great if you have problems with your garden.
But when every other news paper in the world screeches CrisisCrisisCrisis! You have to wonder what it is we're not seeing? Whatever happened to the crisis in India? What did they find out about that? Was it Pakistan or not? Whatever happened to Osama Bin Laden? Is one bloke so hard to find? And why did Israel stop bombing all of a sudden? Whats up with that?
Nobody follows through with anything anymore!
btw, I stopped reading the papers a few years ago - basically when the Independent stopped being so. Mainly rely on the BBC website. Have missed all this "end of the world is nigh" stuff.
The BBC is so censored it's pathetic. They are great if you have problems with your garden.
But when every other news paper in the world screeches CrisisCrisisCrisis! You have to wonder what it is we're not seeing? Whatever happened to the crisis in India? What did they find out about that? Was it Pakistan or not? Whatever happened to Osama Bin Laden? Is one bloke so hard to find? And why did Israel stop bombing all of a sudden? Whats up with that?
Nobody follows through with anything anymore!~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
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Raven;1114287 wrote: The BBC is so censored it's pathetic. They are great if you have problems with your garden.
But when every other news paper in the world screeches CrisisCrisisCrisis! You have to wonder what it is we're not seeing? Whatever happened to the crisis in India? What did they find out about that? Was it Pakistan or not? Whatever happened to Osama Bin Laden? Is one bloke so hard to find? And why did Israel stop bombing all of a sudden? Whats up with that? Nobody follows through with anything anymore!
For the answers to your questions, the only answer is to go on line and read every newspaper in Britain to get a balanced view. This will give you the answers to why Israel has stopped bombing etc. It doesn't have to take hours. I read all the papers every day and just look for the reports on what I'm interested in, ie Gaza. The naswers are there, you just have to seek them out.
But when every other news paper in the world screeches CrisisCrisisCrisis! You have to wonder what it is we're not seeing? Whatever happened to the crisis in India? What did they find out about that? Was it Pakistan or not? Whatever happened to Osama Bin Laden? Is one bloke so hard to find? And why did Israel stop bombing all of a sudden? Whats up with that?
Nobody follows through with anything anymore!For the answers to your questions, the only answer is to go on line and read every newspaper in Britain to get a balanced view. This will give you the answers to why Israel has stopped bombing etc. It doesn't have to take hours. I read all the papers every day and just look for the reports on what I'm interested in, ie Gaza. The naswers are there, you just have to seek them out.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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I've found the BBC to be pretty good. When Gorbachov was stuck in his dacha and the communists were attempting a counter-revolution he got HIS news from the BBC World Service. That's one heck of an endorsement.
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Clodhopper;1114333 wrote: I've found the BBC to be pretty good. When Gorbachov was stuck in his dacha and the communists were attempting a counter-revolution he got HIS news from the BBC World Service. That's one heck of an endorsement.
The BBC is the most fair and respected arena in the world. They reported very fairly on me so i back them.
The BBC is the most fair and respected arena in the world. They reported very fairly on me so i back them.
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Oscar: You actually touched on the reasons I am so concerned about this crisis. more than I was about the Wilson or Thatcher ones: they just involved this country, pretty much. The present crisis affects the whole world - you mention the US and Germany; I think it's everyone.
Add this to climate change and the future's pretty scary right now. Hence my comment about moving out of London and growing my own food. I was glad to hear Obama (Is that the Ulster O'bamas he's connected to, or the Leinster cadet branch?) emphasising the need to deal with climate change in his inauguration speech.
Add this to climate change and the future's pretty scary right now. Hence my comment about moving out of London and growing my own food. I was glad to hear Obama (Is that the Ulster O'bamas he's connected to, or the Leinster cadet branch?) emphasising the need to deal with climate change in his inauguration speech.
The crowd: "Yes! We are all individuals!"
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
And here it comes. The bankruptcy wave.
Galbally;1114033 wrote: I agree, I want a General election, I knew Fianna Fail were morally bankrupt, but the actions of the top people in the Government in recent days are truly, awfully gobsmacking. It's an affront to this state, (which they supposedly fought for) what they are doing now, I actually cannot believe it.
Frankly, I have completely lost fundamental confidence in the people that are supposed to be running our State in the interest of the citizens of the Republic of Ireland.
These people need to be removed now, and a reckoning has to be made immeadiately for what has gone on, before the rest of the world also loses fundamental confidence in the Republic of Ireland as an economic entity.
At this stage I would urge people to start making serious representations to the President to dissolve this Dail forthwidth based on her basic duty to protect the interests of the citizens. I mean it.
Are Fine Gael a serious alternative?
Over here were ruled by Dumb but we only have Dumber to fall back on.
Frankly, I have completely lost fundamental confidence in the people that are supposed to be running our State in the interest of the citizens of the Republic of Ireland.
These people need to be removed now, and a reckoning has to be made immeadiately for what has gone on, before the rest of the world also loses fundamental confidence in the Republic of Ireland as an economic entity.
At this stage I would urge people to start making serious representations to the President to dissolve this Dail forthwidth based on her basic duty to protect the interests of the citizens. I mean it.
Are Fine Gael a serious alternative?
Over here were ruled by Dumb but we only have Dumber to fall back on.
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Clodhopper;1114342 wrote: Oscar: You actually touched on the reasons I am so concerned about this crisis. more than I was about the Wilson or Thatcher ones: they just involved this country, pretty much. The present crisis affects the whole world - you mention the US and Germany; I think it's everyone.
Add this to climate change and the future's pretty scary right now. Hence my comment about moving out of London and growing my own food. I was glad to hear Obama (Is that the Ulster O'bamas he's connected to, or the Leinster cadet branch?) emphasising the need to deal with climate change in his inauguration speech.
Clodhopper..... I am a Labourite and i trawl as many sources as possible to get the imfo i need. Although Jimbo calls me 'Gordon's Queen of spin' i can assure you that it is not as bad as the media report it to be. The housing market is one prime example of how media shock tactics can force a market into a downward spiral. The media tell you that your house is going to be worthless, so what do you do? Sell up now to get the best possible price and suddenly the country is swamped with property for sale at cut price offers. Don't be fooled by the media.
I am not denying that this country is in for a rough ride. Of course we are, the same as every EU country is however, we are far better off in this country. The country is seeing massive fiscal injection into the infrastructure to kick start the economy and millions being invested into more jobs in health, education and transport. The government steps are not going to work overnight as people feel they should.
Google some European newspapers to see how better off we are right here.
Add this to climate change and the future's pretty scary right now. Hence my comment about moving out of London and growing my own food. I was glad to hear Obama (Is that the Ulster O'bamas he's connected to, or the Leinster cadet branch?) emphasising the need to deal with climate change in his inauguration speech.
Clodhopper..... I am a Labourite and i trawl as many sources as possible to get the imfo i need. Although Jimbo calls me 'Gordon's Queen of spin' i can assure you that it is not as bad as the media report it to be. The housing market is one prime example of how media shock tactics can force a market into a downward spiral. The media tell you that your house is going to be worthless, so what do you do? Sell up now to get the best possible price and suddenly the country is swamped with property for sale at cut price offers. Don't be fooled by the media.
I am not denying that this country is in for a rough ride. Of course we are, the same as every EU country is however, we are far better off in this country. The country is seeing massive fiscal injection into the infrastructure to kick start the economy and millions being invested into more jobs in health, education and transport. The government steps are not going to work overnight as people feel they should.
Google some European newspapers to see how better off we are right here.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
And here it comes. The bankruptcy wave.
Bryn Mawr;1114349 wrote: Are Fine Gael a serious alternative?
Over here were ruled by Dumb but we only have Dumber to fall back on.
I think anything, including a Fine Gael majority government is preferable to the present government, they simply cannot fix this problem, because they helped create it, and are therefore shielding the other people who have contributed to it.
We need a general election and a new political beginning so that someone can actually be made accountable for this debacle, Fianna Fail are not the people to do it anyway, thats for certain.
Over here were ruled by Dumb but we only have Dumber to fall back on.
I think anything, including a Fine Gael majority government is preferable to the present government, they simply cannot fix this problem, because they helped create it, and are therefore shielding the other people who have contributed to it.
We need a general election and a new political beginning so that someone can actually be made accountable for this debacle, Fianna Fail are not the people to do it anyway, thats for certain.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
And here it comes. The bankruptcy wave.
Galbally;1114397 wrote: I think anything, including a Fine Gael majority government is preferable to the present government, they simply cannot fix this problem, because they helped create it, and are therefore shielding the other people who have contributed to it.
We need a general election and a new political beginning so that someone can actually be made accountable for this debacle, Fianna Fail are not the people to do it anyway, thats for certain.
Accountability is the key to it all - even if it doesn't help too much in the here and now it will have a big effect next time round.
To that end, a new start would make it far easier to target those responsible.
We need a general election and a new political beginning so that someone can actually be made accountable for this debacle, Fianna Fail are not the people to do it anyway, thats for certain.
Accountability is the key to it all - even if it doesn't help too much in the here and now it will have a big effect next time round.
To that end, a new start would make it far easier to target those responsible.
And here it comes. The bankruptcy wave.
The Dail passed the Nationalization bill for Anglo Irish bank tonight 79 TDs to 67, I am appalled to be honest. That is the end for this government and also probably this economy, we are going to be dragged into the mire with this bank and its motley crew of developers that owe it billions for now near worthless properties.
Appalling, when these banks were monstrously profitable there was no mention of the public getting their dirty hands near any of them, now that this bank has been judged by the free market to be a basket case and insolvent business, we have to buy it (and probably all of them actually) with money we don't have and won't be able to pay back because a lot of us are going to be unemployed with no basic services because they are spending the money saving their friend's arses, how dare they. :-5
Appalling, when these banks were monstrously profitable there was no mention of the public getting their dirty hands near any of them, now that this bank has been judged by the free market to be a basket case and insolvent business, we have to buy it (and probably all of them actually) with money we don't have and won't be able to pay back because a lot of us are going to be unemployed with no basic services because they are spending the money saving their friend's arses, how dare they. :-5
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Scrat;1114698 wrote: I do know one thing, our lives are going to change. Will it be so extreme? In China people are moving back to the country in droves just for that reason. I will admit, in March I'm starting a large garden myself not so much as I will need it as it's something I always wanted to do.
I think also that Oscar is making a good point about the media too. I think Ireland needs a revolt.
One of the worries here and in Ireland is that work will dry up. This is actually the best time of all for builders, plumbers etc. People who don't want to sell their home but can not afford to up-grade and indeed those who look to add equity to their home, tend to go for home extensions and improvements in times such as this.
I think also that Oscar is making a good point about the media too. I think Ireland needs a revolt.
One of the worries here and in Ireland is that work will dry up. This is actually the best time of all for builders, plumbers etc. People who don't want to sell their home but can not afford to up-grade and indeed those who look to add equity to their home, tend to go for home extensions and improvements in times such as this.
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A very wise man (I forget who) once said, "Things are never as bad - or as good - as first reports make them out to be."
Hope he was right.
So far, none of my friends have lost their jobs. Good few edgy about the next six months (none looking further than that).
Hope he was right.
So far, none of my friends have lost their jobs. Good few edgy about the next six months (none looking further than that).
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Clodhopper;1114783 wrote: A very wise man (I forget who) once said, "Things are never as bad - or as good - as first reports make them out to be."
Hope he was right.
So far, none of my friends have lost their jobs. Good few edgy about the next six months (none looking further than that).
A good quote.
There is plenty of work out there. Let's be honest, the guy who's had it cushy in a nice air conditioned office is not going to want to deliver leaflets in sub zero temperatures is he?
I do actually have a lot of faith in Gordon Brown and he has some good eggs in the Cabinet. It is certainly not a British problem but affecting every Western Country as well.
At times like this, we have to be grateful for what we have and use it to our best advantage.
Hope he was right.
So far, none of my friends have lost their jobs. Good few edgy about the next six months (none looking further than that).
A good quote.
There is plenty of work out there. Let's be honest, the guy who's had it cushy in a nice air conditioned office is not going to want to deliver leaflets in sub zero temperatures is he?
I do actually have a lot of faith in Gordon Brown and he has some good eggs in the Cabinet. It is certainly not a British problem but affecting every Western Country as well.
At times like this, we have to be grateful for what we have and use it to our best advantage.
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And here it comes. The bankruptcy wave.
Scrat;1114698 wrote: I do know one thing, our lives are going to change. Will it be so extreme? In China people are moving back to the country in droves just for that reason. I will admit, in March I'm starting a large garden myself not so much as I will need it as it's something I always wanted to do.
I think also that Oscar is making a good point about the media too. I think Ireland needs a revolt.
China is suffering from a drop in export certainly. It is a shame that China had progressed as a nation and now the sins of the West are reversing the tide. The crunch in America and Britain is going to have an enormous effect on the export of consumer goods.
I think also that Oscar is making a good point about the media too. I think Ireland needs a revolt.
China is suffering from a drop in export certainly. It is a shame that China had progressed as a nation and now the sins of the West are reversing the tide. The crunch in America and Britain is going to have an enormous effect on the export of consumer goods.
And here it comes. The bankruptcy wave.
JAB;1114793 wrote: I love Brussels Sprouts; please do try and locate your ode. 
No problem JAB, I will look for it buried as it is in the archives for you. I am glad to have met another Sproutophile.
No problem JAB, I will look for it buried as it is in the archives for you. I am glad to have met another Sproutophile.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
And here it comes. The bankruptcy wave.
Scrat;1114698 wrote: I do know one thing, our lives are going to change. Will it be so extreme? In China people are moving back to the country in droves just for that reason. I will admit, in March I'm starting a large garden myself not so much as I will need it as it's something I always wanted to do.
I think also that Oscar is making a good point about the media too. I think Ireland needs a revolt.
I think we need an election, not a revolt (yet) but a good kick up the arse of these gobshites wouldn't go astray either. The country has somehow managed to retain its AAA credit rating apparently, which is a good thing, but this debacle has a long way to go, and a lot more stuff will be coming down the line for us.
Watching Obama on the steps of the Capitol yesterday, I was struck by the fact that over there (whether you agree or disagree with him) people have a leader and someone they can rally round, we just don't have that over here at present, we need new leadership, because we will need to ready to take a lot of pain over the next few years, and my current government inspire no confidence in me whatsoever.
The one thing I am glad about is that because we are in the Eurozone, the government can't start doing really crazy things like unilaterally devaluing the currency, or printing money, or any of that nonsense. I am really worried about Sterling though, because if Sterling collapses then that has very serious implications for us, for the Brits, and everyone else in Western Europe actually.
I dunno how the Brits feel about what's happening to them, but I suspect its similar to the way we feel over here. Totally p*ssed off. :-5
I think also that Oscar is making a good point about the media too. I think Ireland needs a revolt.
I think we need an election, not a revolt (yet) but a good kick up the arse of these gobshites wouldn't go astray either. The country has somehow managed to retain its AAA credit rating apparently, which is a good thing, but this debacle has a long way to go, and a lot more stuff will be coming down the line for us.
Watching Obama on the steps of the Capitol yesterday, I was struck by the fact that over there (whether you agree or disagree with him) people have a leader and someone they can rally round, we just don't have that over here at present, we need new leadership, because we will need to ready to take a lot of pain over the next few years, and my current government inspire no confidence in me whatsoever.
The one thing I am glad about is that because we are in the Eurozone, the government can't start doing really crazy things like unilaterally devaluing the currency, or printing money, or any of that nonsense. I am really worried about Sterling though, because if Sterling collapses then that has very serious implications for us, for the Brits, and everyone else in Western Europe actually.
I dunno how the Brits feel about what's happening to them, but I suspect its similar to the way we feel over here. Totally p*ssed off. :-5
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
And here it comes. The bankruptcy wave.
Raven;1114287 wrote: The BBC is so censored it's pathetic. They are great if you have problems with your garden.
But when every other news paper in the world screeches CrisisCrisisCrisis! You have to wonder what it is we're not seeing? Whatever happened to the crisis in India? What did they find out about that? Was it Pakistan or not? Whatever happened to Osama Bin Laden? Is one bloke so hard to find? And why did Israel stop bombing all of a sudden? Whats up with that? Nobody follows through with anything anymore!
I think it goes back to alastair campbell and the fuss about kelly (forgoten his first name) and the sacking of the then bbc controller. That a non elected spin doctor should be able to have such influence on our media is a damning indictment of new labour and our press and television. Sod showing politicians respect they need to be held to account whether they like it or not. Politicians-of every stamp, don't want objective reporting and given half a chance would emasculate the bbc. Objective reporting is always going to come across as critical of government. Those who want to beak the bbc monopoly and do away with the licence fee do not have the interests of the british people at heart. It would irrevocably damage one of the institutions we can be proud of.
posted by galbally
I dunno how the Brits feel about what's happening to them, but I suspect its similar to the way we feel over here. Totally p*ssed off.
aaaaarrrrggghhh!!:-5:-5:-5:-5
well that's how I feel. I live in labour heartland-you know where they would elect a monkey in a red suit if it was a labour candidate. I never known such outright disenchantment amongst labour supporters, just have a look at the membership figures. Trouble is there is no real viable alternative. The SNP are proving to be just as corrupt and self seeking as labour currently four local local councillors are being investigated by the police for fraud and corruption.
What is really depressing is there are those who think Gordon brown was a good chancellor and is dong well as prime minister. I reckon Robin Cook would have nbeen in with a chance of running the labour party had he lived.we need a smilie that denotes depression.
But when every other news paper in the world screeches CrisisCrisisCrisis! You have to wonder what it is we're not seeing? Whatever happened to the crisis in India? What did they find out about that? Was it Pakistan or not? Whatever happened to Osama Bin Laden? Is one bloke so hard to find? And why did Israel stop bombing all of a sudden? Whats up with that?
Nobody follows through with anything anymore!I think it goes back to alastair campbell and the fuss about kelly (forgoten his first name) and the sacking of the then bbc controller. That a non elected spin doctor should be able to have such influence on our media is a damning indictment of new labour and our press and television. Sod showing politicians respect they need to be held to account whether they like it or not. Politicians-of every stamp, don't want objective reporting and given half a chance would emasculate the bbc. Objective reporting is always going to come across as critical of government. Those who want to beak the bbc monopoly and do away with the licence fee do not have the interests of the british people at heart. It would irrevocably damage one of the institutions we can be proud of.
posted by galbally
I dunno how the Brits feel about what's happening to them, but I suspect its similar to the way we feel over here. Totally p*ssed off.
aaaaarrrrggghhh!!:-5:-5:-5:-5
well that's how I feel. I live in labour heartland-you know where they would elect a monkey in a red suit if it was a labour candidate. I never known such outright disenchantment amongst labour supporters, just have a look at the membership figures. Trouble is there is no real viable alternative. The SNP are proving to be just as corrupt and self seeking as labour currently four local local councillors are being investigated by the police for fraud and corruption.
What is really depressing is there are those who think Gordon brown was a good chancellor and is dong well as prime minister. I reckon Robin Cook would have nbeen in with a chance of running the labour party had he lived.we need a smilie that denotes depression.