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hello and welcome once again to grumpy towers.

after trawling the papers and not any reportable decent news in it unless you include amy winebarrel being nisted as a pewt as usual i thought i would write my own article today being pro BNP they are in my opinion not the winging whiners or dangerous facists the government would have you think.

firstly the bnp wishes to reverse the tide of mass illegal immigration ensure harsher prison sentences for criminals more prisons built access to doctors and hospitals without targets, the return of troops from the middle east,, policing without excessive paperwork, employment for all generaly a return to how britain was in the 60s and 70s is this such a bad thing ?

the present government are fearfull of the BNP gaining power as it would undo the EU superstate and the politcally correct liberal mamby pamby world in which we now find ourselves that favours criminals and immigrants over the hard working taxpayer the same one that finds us in a crime ridden drug and alcohol swilling benefits dependant society.

would a step back be wrong would a return to old england the way it used to be be wrong ? an england with morals and respect for the elderly a england at work

an england without politcal correctness governed from london not from brussels ?

people are fearfull of the change the BNP aims to end the 2 party politics where labour have a go then the conservatives with the liberals trailing in last as usual.

the present government hide real facts and present the likes of the BNP as right wing national front type facists to brainwash the public in to not voting for them

so they can keep their own fat greedy noses in the trough.

the BNP are not like this the labour government is buttering up the immigrant vote so it hopes it can be returned to power with gordon brown at the helm

and when it all goes tits up the labour government will drop this vote like a hot potato because its served its uses.

no one knows what secret paperwork regarding immigration or other secret documents regarding britains role in the EU superstate or top secret items exist in the corridors of power that they dont want us to see or know about but surely one day the chickens will come home to roost and like a timebomb will explode finding us a minority in our own EU governed country awash with crime drugs and mass unemployment well past the 3 million mark.

a country in turmoil with inner city race riots rival races fighting on the streets

by then it will be too late the government whoever they may be will be unable to control it .

the BNP are loyalists loyal to the queen crown and country and every day i see my country being decemated from within is it to late to turn back the clock ?

at least give the BNP a chance what have you got to lose ?

yes they may make things harder but they would at least deal with british problems first and put britain at the top of its agenda.

LETS PUT THE GREAT BACK IN TO BRITAIN AND VOTE BNP who,s agenda is below

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British National Party Policies.

IMMIGRATION — time to say ENOUGH!

On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years.

To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.

We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.

EUROPE — back to British independence!

We are opposed to the Single European Currency, and support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures. At the same time, we are for the best possible relationship with our European neighbours and believe that the nations of Europe should be free to trade and cooperate whenever it is mutually beneficial, though without being forced into a political and economic straitjacket – political unification. Accordingly, we stand for British withdrawal from the European Union. In place of the EU, we intend to aim towards greater national self-sufficiency, and to work to restore Britain’s family and trading ties with Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and to trade with the rest of the world as it suits us. Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP will use the £43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home.

LAW AND ORDER — crack down on crime!

The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence. We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket that is stopping them from doing their job properly. The liberal fixation with the ‘rights’ of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims. We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed.

ECONOMY — British workers first!

Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour’s statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes

EDUCATION — discipline, standards, achievement!

We are against the ‘trendy’ teaching methods that have made Britain one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe. We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises and we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers and put far greater emphasis on training young people in the industrial and technological skills necessary in the modern world. We will also seek to instill in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain.

AGRICULTURE — quality before quantity!

We see a strong, healthy agriculture sector as vital to the country. Britain’s farming industry will be encouraged to produce a much greater part of the nation’s need in food products. Priority will be switched from quantity to quality, as we move from competing in a global economy to maximum self-sufficiency for Britain. We will ensure a major shift to healthier and more sustainable organic farming. We are pledged to ensure the restoration of Britain’s once great fishing industry with the reimposition of the former exclusion zones around our coast.

HEALTH — first-class healthcare for all!

We are wholly committed to a free, fully funded National Health Service for all British citizens. We will revitalise the Health Service by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention — low pay. We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them. More emphasis must be placed on healthy living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets.

TRANSPORT — time to invest!

Increased investment is needed in Britain’s public transport system to bring it up to the highest standards in the world. The fiasco of rail privatisation with different companies running services and track leading to higher fares and lower safety also needs to be resolved. Congestion of our towns and cities must be eased by the provision of greater incentives to use rail and bus transport instead of private cars. The first step is to end the crime and squalor that puts so many people off public transport. Motorists must not be made the scapegoats for government failure. Fuel tax should be cut, motorway speed limits raised, and hidden speed cameras should be banned. Far more must be done to encourage the development and use of cleaner fuels.

ENVIRONMENT — a cleaner, greener future!

Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms. We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. “The polluter pays to clean up the mess” must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and ensure that developments take place on a more human scale.

FOREIGN AID — time to spend our money on our own people!

We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning. The billions of pounds saved every year by this policy will also be reallocated to vital services in Britain.

PENSIONERS — pensioners before asylum seekers!

The conditions in which many of Britain’s old people are forced to live are a national disgrace. We are pledged to ensure that all our old folk are able to live in comfortable homes, and will restore the earnings link with pensions. Elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care.

NORTHERN IRELAND — an end to sectarianism!

Britain has shamefully allowed the terrorists in Northern Ireland to come close to winning when the IRA could have been destroyed years ago. Government weakness has led to hundreds of deaths and given those same terrorists a share in government. We would end all attempts to force the people of Northern Ireland to accept foreign interference in their affairs and deal with terrorism — from whatever side — once and for all. No one with links to a terrorist organisation that refuses to lay down its arms should be allowed to enter government. We would abolish state-supported segregation in education. In the long run, we wish to end the conflict in Ireland by welcoming Eire as well as Ulster as equal partners in a federation of the nations of the British Isles.

DEFENCE — no more cuts!

Successive cuts in defence spending have left Britain’s armed forces perilously weak. We will boost Britain’s armed forces to ensure that they are able to deal with any emergency, and defend our homeland and our independence. We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete. We will close all foreign military bases on British soil, and refuse to risk British lives in meddling ‘peace-keeping’ missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake — a position of armed neutrality. We will also restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service.

FOREIGN AFFAIRS — Britain’s interests first!

Britain’s foreign relations should be determined by the protection of our own national interest and not by our like or dislike of other nations’ internal politics. We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests. We will maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the ‘international community’, or any other country.

DEMOCRACY — letting the people decide!

The British people invented modern Parliamentary democracy. Yet in recent years the British people have been denied their democratic rights. On issue after issue, the views of the majority of British people have been ignored and overridden by a Politically Correct ‘elite’ which thinks it knows best. On immigration, on Capital Punishment, on the surrender of British sovereignty to the EU and in numerous other areas, democracy has been absent as Labour, Tories and Lib-Dems conspire in election after election to offer the British people no real choice on such vital issues. The BNP exists to give the British people that choice, and thus to restore and defend the basic democratic rights we have all been denied. We favour more democracy, not less, not just at national but at regional and local level.

Power should be devolved to the lowest level possible so that local communities can make decisions which affect them. We will remove legal curbs on freedom of speech imposed by successive Governments over the last 40 years. We will implement a Bill of Rights guaranteeing fundamental freedoms to the British people. We will ensure that ordinary British people have real democratic power over their own lives and that Government, local and national, is truly accountable to the people who elect it.
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I might consider a reply to your tirade if you learn to place capital letters at the beginning of sentences.

Your post has grown since I placed my reply......cutting and pasting again ?
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Bruv;1109681 wrote: I might consider a reply to your tirade if you learn to place capital letters at the beginning of sentences.

Your post has grown since I placed my reply......cutting and pasting again ?


At least he has passion about retaining Britain for the British. (Have we got the grammar police active again?).

Do you want Britain to become a 'Third World Country' ? Britain is now on the slippery slope and rapidly sliding into insignificant oblivion - time for every thinking Briton to make themselves heard, and not be afraid of using the ballot box to reverse this downward hurtle. For Britain's sake give this British party a chance to get our once respected nation back on track. The other major parties have lost their way and have no answers ! True, the BNP have not been given the chance to prove themselves - so let's give them that chance. They will do no worse than the existing major parties, and it is quite likely they will do a hellova lot better !!!!
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posted by pantoandy

would a step back be wrong would a return to old england the way it used to be be wrong ? an england with morals and respect for the elderly a england at work

an england without politcal correctness governed from london not from brussels ?


Make up your mind, english national party or british national party?

Course you do know that the british people voted in favour of joining the eec in a referendum don't you? More to the point it was the wartime generation that was overwhelmingly in favour of it.

On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years.




The native british people have been a minority since roman times-just ask the welsh. Come to that the english were immigrants from germany in the first place and so is the royal family.

the BNP are loyalists loyal to the queen crown and country and every day i see my country being decemated from within is it to late to turn back the clock ?




Maybe we should start with them? Let's have a proper british monarch instead of the pseudo british germanic bunch we have now. House of Windsor indeed, we all know their real name is saxe coburg. As for the aristocracy they are all descended from french thugs let's get rid of them as well.

Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour’s statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes


What a pity we are a trading nation and need to export to survive. Better stick with free trade and liberal capitalism -another british idea-mercantilism will bankrupt us all.

To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership.


hear hear, confiscate all the big landed estates (that the bastards stole from the common people in the first place) and ban foreigners from owning land in the UK
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gmc;1109741 wrote: posted by pantoandy



Make up your mind, english national party or british national party?

Course you do know that the british people voted in favour of joining the eec in a referendum don't you? More to the point it was the wartime generation that was overwhelmingly in favour of it.



The native british people have been a minority since roman times-just ask the welsh. Come to that the english were immigrants from germany in the first place and so is the royal family.



Maybe we should start with them? Let's have a proper british monarch instead of the pseudo british germanic bunch we have now. House of Windsor indeed, we all know their real name is saxe coburg. As for the aristocracy they are all descended from french thugs let's get rid of them as well.



What a pity we are a trading nation and need to export to survive. Better stick with free trade and liberal capitalism -another british idea-mercantilism will bankrupt us all.



hear hear, confiscate all the big landed estates (that the bastards stole from the common people in the first place) and ban foreigners from owning land in the UK


Well said Scottish one:yh_worshp:yh_worshp:yh_worshp

For Panto

I am in agreement with you re: crime however, i blame nearly all youth crime on the parents and would like to see some of those in court also.

This crime policy the BNP has........ What happens then Panto if in some court cases against the said criminal.. The police themselves are guilty of lying under oath, holding back witnesses and evidence etc etc. Don't tell me it doesn't go on or I'll link a mass of mis-carraiges of Justice for you.

What about, just as one example, the Guildford Four who were fitted up by police?

What about them? Don't be deluded that this does not still go on today, just look at 'John Charles De Menzes' case.
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GMC - the referendum for the EEC was for trading only, not flippin European government, to the extent of loosing our British identity and ripping us off financially !!! Another example of misleading the people - a common practice amongst our so- called ' leaders'. If I could afford it I would get out of this dying country, that is being 'run' by corrupt con-men!!
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G#Gill;1109952 wrote: GMC - the referendum for the EEC was for trading only, not flippin European government, to the extent of loosing our British identity and ripping us off financially !!! Another example of misleading the people - a common practice amongst our so- called ' leaders'. If I could afford it I would get out of this dying country, that is being 'run' by corrupt con-men!!


I agree that the EU and Brussels is a pain in the backside at time's.

Much of the problems in Britain are not the EU but the ridiculous British Human Rights Brigade with laws pushed through merely as a tool to line the pockets of lawyers such as 'Cherie Blair'.

If 'Jack Straw' keeps his promises to rid us of some of these farcical human rights, the country can recover in other policies.
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G#Gill;1109952 wrote: GMC - the referendum for the EEC was for trading only, not flippin European government, to the extent of loosing our British identity and ripping us off financially !!! Another example of misleading the people - a common practice amongst our so- called ' leaders'. If I could afford it I would get out of this dying country, that is being 'run' by corrupt con-men!!


If you are content to see the UK as a third world country off the shores of europe living on faded past glories feeling sorry for yourself because the british empire is dead and grasping the delusion we have a special relationship with america vote ukip or for one of those other parties that delude themselves that a country incapable of feeding it's own population can survive without trade with other countries. The bulk of our trade is with europe and it's eastern Europe where the biggest growth is going to come from. It didn't wiork in the fifties and sicties when we could have been right in there at the beginning shaping the eu and it won't work now.

Membership of the eec is what helped turn this country around with help from the regional fund and all the inward investment that resulted and still continues because we were members. Unless of course you hold to the demented view put forward by maggie thatcher that we can survive as a service economy and don't need industry any more. I suppose you were one of those that drove round in a rover or a mini metro just because it was british-crap, but british crap. Leaving the EU and telling your main trading partner to get stuffed is hardly a recipe for success. We need them it's a moot point whether they need us. Britain does best when it looks beyond it's shores.

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Much of the problems in Britain are not the EU but the ridiculous British Human Rights Brigade with laws pushed through merely as a tool to line the pockets of lawyers such as 'Cherie Blair'.

If 'Jack Straw' keeps his promises to rid us of some of these farcical human rights, the country can recover in other policies.


there's nothing stopping jack straw from not implementing those bits he doesn't want to. Straw is a closet fascist bear in mind he was the one that wanted to do away with jury trials, and lock people up without trial for no good reason. If all else fails you now have somewhere to go if you want to take the british government on. Like for instance if they decide to extradite you to america for doing something that isn't illegal in this country but the amercans think you might be a terrorist. You're getting angry at the wrong institutions get angry at our politicians who ratify treaties and then read them afterwards.

Being British clearly means different things to different people in different parts of the country. One of the key things to me is a readiness to stand up to closet fascists dickheads like the british national party who usually know very little about their own country's history and what makes us so unique.
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G#Gill;1109952 wrote: GMC - the referendum for the EEC was for trading only, not flippin European government, to the extent of loosing our British identity and ripping us off financially !!! Another example of misleading the people - a common practice amongst our so- called ' leaders'. If I could afford it I would get out of this dying country, that is being 'run' by corrupt con-men!!


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gmc;1109741 wrote: posted by pantoandy



Make up your mind, english national party or british national party?

Course you do know that the british people voted in favour of joining the eec in a referendum don't you? More to the point it was the wartime generation that was overwhelmingly in favour of it.



The native british people have been a minority since roman times-just ask the welsh. Come to that the english were immigrants from germany in the first place and so is the royal family.



Maybe we should start with them? Let's have a proper british monarch instead of the pseudo british germanic bunch we have now. House of Windsor indeed, we all know their real name is saxe coburg. As for the aristocracy they are all descended from french thugs let's get rid of them as well.



What a pity we are a trading nation and need to export to survive. Better stick with free trade and liberal capitalism -another british idea-mercantilism will bankrupt us all.



hear hear, confiscate all the big landed estates (that the bastards stole from the common people in the first place) and ban foreigners from owning land in the UK


i cannot make sense of your tirade and i suspect you are also anti english

but this doward spiral affects us all wether we are english welsh or scottish

there needs to be change scotland and wales have also been decemated

welsh coal and scottish shipbuiling as examples .

we need to pull together not fight among ourselves which is what the establishment want while the immigrants take over
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pantoandy;1109978 wrote: i cannot make sense of your tirade and i suspect you are also anti english

but this doward spiral affects us all wether we are english welsh or scottish

there needs to be change scotland and wales have also been decemated

welsh coal and scottish shipbuiling as examples .

we need to pull together not fight among ourselves which is what the establishment want while the immigrants take over


Andy..... The divide between English and celtic died out many years ago. We are The United Kingdom..

I'm a criminal Andy... how would the bnp treat me out of interest?
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oscar;1109980 wrote: Andy..... The divide between English and celtic died out many years ago. We are The United Kingdom..

I'm a criminal Andy... how would the bnp treat me out of interest?


lock you up i suppose no wrist slap sentance like community order
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pantoandy;1110305 wrote: lock you up i suppose no wrist slap sentance like community order


What crime would constitute a 'locking up'? I didn't get a community order. Infact, the judge in my trial in his full summing up actually sympathised with me.

Make your own mind up........ This link is me.

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IMMIGRATION — time to say ENOUGH!

On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years.

To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.

We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.


Only White britons?




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kazalala;1110512 wrote: Only White britons?


Very good point Kaz...... You see.... If you look close enough at the BNP's policey's, you will find the true meaning?? You know what i mean without my having to spell it out. :(:(
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oscar;1110516 wrote: Very good point Kaz...... You see.... If you look close enough at the BNP's policey's, you will find the true meaning?? You know what i mean without my having to spell it out. :(:(


Yep .. and i would like to know what the bnp class as "native britons" My aunt was born in Britain then adopted by my nana and grandad she is black. Is she a native briton? would she be asked to go back to her country ( wherever that is:confused:). She is 50 now. My Grandad by the way was polish, he settled here after the war and not only took on a single mother with 6 children but worked all his life and provided for them, even after retiring he always gave what he could to help his community,, if he was still alive,, would he be asked to go back to Poland?




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kazalala;1110524 wrote: Yep .. and i would like to know what the bnp class as "native britons" My aunt was born in Britain then adopted by my nana and grandad she is black. Is she a native briton? would she be asked to go back to her country ( wherever that is:confused:). She is 50 now. My Grandad by the way was polish, he settled here after the war and not only took on a single mother with 6 children but worked all his life and provided for them, even after retiring he always gave what he could to help his community,, if he was still alive,, would he be asked to go back to Poland?


I fear the BNP do not publically advertise their true Naziesque beliefs openly in a bid to gain more voters. It's only when your inside these 'organisations' (and i say organisation as opposed to political party) that you see the full picture. This is no different to Labour or the Tory's not showing their full hand of course.

The BNP are just another name for 'The National Front' who want to see every citizen of any race including mixed race back off to their 'homeland' under depotation regulations.

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kazalala;1110512 wrote: Only White britons?


typical of the government brainwashed to play the nazi card or national front card.

just because white britons were mentioned it does not exclude the ethnic british as well.

read the rest of the manifesto and it makes many changes this euro superstate liberal government do not want as it would undo what they have created but we the voter did not ask for mainly teflon tonys united europe.

if we continue down this road we will be a bankrupt third world country with mass unemployment over run with illegal immigrants taking the best with the governments blessing and leaving the scraps for the british this would be what another labour government would lead us in to.

we are almost bankrupt now thanks to brown and blair and the country is in the grip of a 1930,s type recession although the majority of this is being played out in the north ( thats past watford gap services...) but the politicians in their leafy suburban houses in stockbroker belt surrey refuse to accept this and do not see past london.

the time for change is coming the british need to get together not fight among ourselves and send this labour euro disease to the backbenches where it can do no harm.

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pantoandy;1110605 wrote: typical of the government brainwashed to play the nazi card or national front card.

just because white britons were mentioned it does not exclude the ethnic british as well.

read the rest of the manifesto and it makes many changes this euro superstate liberal government do not want as it would undo what they have created but we the voter did not ask for mainly teflon tonys united europe.

if we continue down this road we will be a bankrupt third world country with mass unemployment over run with illegal immigrants taking the best with the governments blessing and leaving the scraps for the british this would be what another labour government would lead us in to.

we are almost bankrupt now thanks to brown and blair and the country is in the grip of a 1930,s type recession although the majority of this is being played out in the north ( thats past watford gap services...) but the politicians in their leafy suburban houses in stockbroker belt surrey refuse to accept this and do not see past london.

the time for change is coming the british need to get together not fight among ourselves and send this labour euro disease to the backbenches where it can do no harm.

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im not a very politically minded person,, so i dont think i am brainwashed,,,(typical answer by the way), but if it means all british why say white.




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kazalala;1110622 wrote: im not a very politically minded person,, so i dont think i am brainwashed,,,(typical answer by the way), but if it means all british why say white.


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kazalala;1110524 wrote: Yep .. and i would like to know what the bnp class as "native britons" My aunt was born in Britain then adopted by my nana and grandad she is black. Is she a native briton? would she be asked to go back to her country ( wherever that is:confused:). She is 50 now. My Grandad by the way was polish, he settled here after the war and not only took on a single mother with 6 children but worked all his life and provided for them, even after retiring he always gave what he could to help his community,, if he was still alive,, would he be asked to go back to Poland?


Actually the history of black people in the UK goes back hundreds of years. even good queen bess had a reggae band to entertain her (OK maybe not a reagae band)

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Not to mention how much of our empire was built on the wealth generated by slavery. We're a mongrel nation, always have been and arguably that diversity is one of the reasons we have been so successful. That willingness to adopt new cultures and welcome immigrants and refugees, especially if they bring new skills. Even the language we use just sucks in whatever it takes to deal with new concepts and adapts to change as it goes along making up words as necessary without being too precious about using foreign words if they fit the purpose.

The BNP is a narrow minded, inward looking bigots, frightened of the big bad world around them happy to sit around wallowing in misery feeling sorry for themselves.

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typical of the government brainwashed to play the nazi card or national front card.


Typical response of the right wing ******** overly impressed by the last BNP pamphlet he read. in the fifty year period between 1947 and 1997 when most of the immigration took place that causes you such concern in only thirteen of them were there actually labour governments, there has never been a liberal government since the early 20th century. It's not the liberal establishment you need to blame but right wing politicians hanging on to faded dreams of empire and turning their backs on the industrial roots that made the UK such a powerhouse. Maggie thatcher and her service economy and too much credence given to monetarist economic theories and not enough to basic liberal capitalism.
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gmc;1112904 wrote: Actually the history of black people in the UK goes back hundreds of years. even good queen bess had a reggae band to entertain her (OK maybe not a reagae band)

The National Archives | Exhibitions & Learning online | Black presence | Early times

Not to mention how much of our empire was built on the wealth generated by slavery. We're a mongrel nation, always have been and arguably that diversity is one of the reasons we have been so successful. That willingness to adopt new cultures and welcome immigrants and refugees, especially if they bring new skills. Even the language we use just sucks in whatever it takes to deal with new concepts and adapts to change as it goes along making up words as necessary without being too precious about using foreign words if they fit the purpose.

The BNP is a narrow minded, inward looking bigots, frightened of the big bad world around them happy to sit around wallowing in misery feeling sorry for themselves.

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Typical response of the right wing ******** overly impressed by the last BNP pamphlet he read. in the fifty year period between 1947 and 1997 when most of the immigration took place that causes you such concern in only thirteen of them were there actually labour governments, there has never been a liberal government since the early 20th century. It's not the liberal establishment you need to blame but right wing politicians hanging on to faded dreams of empire and turning their backs on the industrial roots that made the UK such a powerhouse. Maggie thatcher and her service economy and too much credence given to monetarist economic theories and not enough to basic liberal capitalism.


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to quote g gill

Do you want Britain to become a 'Third World Country' ? Britain is now on the slippery slope and rapidly sliding into insignificant oblivion - time for every thinking Briton to make themselves heard, and not be afraid of using the ballot box to reverse this downward hurtle. For Britain's sake give this British party a chance to get our once respected nation back on track. The other major parties have lost their way and have no answers ! True, the BNP have not been given the chance to prove themselves - so let's give them that chance. They will do no worse than the existing major parties, and it is quite likely they will do a hellova lot better !!!!

what will you get if you vote labour or conservative things to get better ??

if you think that you live on cloud cuckoo land like gordon brown

what will you get i,ll tell you

1, more uncontrolled immigration more middle easterns africans etc all queueing up at calais to sneak in on lorries or jumping freight trains at coquelles the slum camps at calais will remain

2, higher taxes and more stealth taxes by the back door ( labours favorite way in )

3, more job losses as more industries go abroad or just go under

4, more power given away to unelected eurocrats in brussels

5, the euro i.d cards more big brother is watching you nanny state politcal correctness bowing to the forigners rather than causing offence .

6, eperdemic out of control crime

THE COUNTRY WILL RIP ITS SELF APART FROM THE INSIDE THIS IS WHAT I DO NOT WANT MY KIDS TO GROW UP TO

USE THE BALLOT BOX TO REVERSE THIS SITUATION BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!!!!!!

OR IS IT JUST A CASE OF **** YOU JACK IM ALRIGHT ??????
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pantoandy;1113369 wrote: to quote g gill

Do you want Britain to become a 'Third World Country' ? Britain is now on the slippery slope and rapidly sliding into insignificant oblivion - time for every thinking Briton to make themselves heard, and not be afraid of using the ballot box to reverse this downward hurtle. For Britain's sake give this British party a chance to get our once respected nation back on track. The other major parties have lost their way and have no answers ! True, the BNP have not been given the chance to prove themselves - so let's give them that chance. They will do no worse than the existing major parties, and it is quite likely they will do a hellova lot better !!!!

what will you get if you vote labour or conservative things to get better ??

if you think that you like on cloud cuckoo land like gordon brown

what will you get i,ll tell you

1, more uncontrolled immigration more middle easterns africans etc all queueing up at calais to sneak in on lorries or jumping freight trains at coquelles the slum camps at calais will remain

2, higher taxes and more stealth taxes by the back door ( labours favorite way in )

3, more job losses as more industries go abroad or just go under

4, more power given away to unelected eurocrats in brussels

5, the euro i.d cards more big brother is watching you nanny state politcal correctness bowing to the forigners rather than causing offence .

6, eperdemic out of control crime

THE COUNTRY WILL RIP ITS SELF APART FROM THE INSIDE THIS IS WHAT I DO NOT WANT MY KIDS TO GROW UP TO

USE THE BALLOT BOX TO REVERSE THIS SITUATION BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!!!!!!

OR IS IT JUST A CASE OF **** YOU JACK IM ALRIGHT ??????


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pantoandy;1113369 wrote: to quote g gill

Do you want Britain to become a 'Third World Country' ? Britain is now on the slippery slope and rapidly sliding into insignificant oblivion - time for every thinking Briton to make themselves heard, and not be afraid of using the ballot box to reverse this downward hurtle. For Britain's sake give this British party a chance to get our once respected nation back on track. The other major parties have lost their way and have no answers ! True, the BNP have not been given the chance to prove themselves - so let's give them that chance. They will do no worse than the existing major parties, and it is quite likely they will do a hellova lot better !!!!

what will you get if you vote labour or conservative things to get better ??

if you think that you like on cloud cuckoo land like gordon brown

what will you get i,ll tell you

1, more uncontrolled immigration more middle easterns africans etc all queueing up at calais to sneak in on lorries or jumping freight trains at coquelles the slum camps at calais will remain

2, higher taxes and more stealth taxes by the back door ( labours favorite way in )

3, more job losses as more industries go abroad or just go under

4, more power given away to unelected eurocrats in brussels

5, the euro i.d cards more big brother is watching you nanny state politcal correctness bowing to the forigners rather than causing offence .

6, eperdemic out of control crime

THE COUNTRY WILL RIP ITS SELF APART FROM THE INSIDE THIS IS WHAT I DO NOT WANT MY KIDS TO GROW UP TO

USE THE BALLOT BOX TO REVERSE THIS SITUATION BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!!!!!!

OR IS IT JUST A CASE OF **** YOU JACK IM ALRIGHT ??????


I'll use the ballot box to keep dickheads like the BNP getting in to power. Luckily they have less chance up than the tories have
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gmc;1113973 wrote: I'll use the ballot box to keep dickheads like the BNP getting in to power. Luckily they have less chance up than the tories have


please do not swear at me i have not swore or insulted you in my column

but they have got more chance than gordon browns labour government

you dont seriously think he,s got a chance at the next election do you .

labour will get slaughtered at the next election if it wasnt for the tories internal fighting and had ian duncan smith the courage to step up to number 10 all this would never have happened



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The day the BNP achieves power is the day I start the civil war. I'm serious. I'd rather be dead than have the BNP in government.

Behind them are the gulags and concentration camps. The BNP is evil, pure and simple.

I've spoken with some members on another message board. They were notable for their malice and deceit - they'll say anything you want to hear, but their aganda remains racist, vicious, insular, impractical and WRONG.

Against them, I wouldn't just vote, I'd fight.:mad:
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Cheers, Jimbo.

will the real BNP stand up


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Clodhopper;1114187 wrote: Cheers, Jimbo.







The real BNP wears a Nazi uniform.
I totally agree with that. It's exactly the same sentiment that brought Hitler to power. Anyone see V for Vendetta? Thats your BNP.
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pantoandy;1114156 wrote: please do not swear at me i have not swore or insulted you in my column

but they have got more chance than gordon browns labour government

you dont seriously think he,s got a chance at the next election do you .

labour will get slaughtered at the next election if it wasnt for the tories internal fighting and had ian duncan smith the courage to step up to number 10 all this would never have happened



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If I want to call the BNP a bunch of dickheads it is my right to do so just as it is your right to call labour a bunch of dickheads if you so choose. Come to that you can call gordon brown a wanker and i would heartily agree with you. If you want to be pedantic it is vulgar slang rather than a swearword. Offensive you may find it to be and that is your choice, I find the BNP and their stance offensive.

from the oxford english dictionary

********

• noun vulgar slang a stupid, irritating, or ridiculous man




Perhaps english is your second language and you were unaware of the difference? I have not sworn at you or insulted you just vehemently disagreed with you. If you choose to throw the toys out the pram, take umbrage or have a hissy fit please feel free.

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I totally agree with that. It's exactly the same sentiment that brought Hitler to power. Anyone see V for Vendetta? Thats your BNP.


I did, quite enjoyed the film although seeing guy fawkes portrayed as a defender of liberty was a bit hard to take. I could fully understand the desire to blow the present incumbents at Westminster to bits, however, it's not a tactic I could approve of.
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gmc;1114339 wrote: Come to that you can call gordon brown a wanker and i would heartily agree with you. .



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tut tut gmc. Don't encourage him :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

At least he didn't get an infraction for telling an American member to **** off.

Unlike bad Oscar. In comparison, he's been rather polite.
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oscar;1114343 wrote: tut tut gmc. Don't encourage him :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

At least he didn't get an infraction for telling an American member to **** off.

Unlike bad Oscar. In comparison, he's been rather polite.


im always polite on my column we,ll just agree to disagree then

at least the bnp would not sign us away to brussels unlike teflon treason tony

they would in my belief return britain to how it used to be .

the reason people think that the bnp are racist nazis as this is what the government want you to believe by brainwashing you about the big bad bnp

because the establishment are frightened of the bnp getting in to power and the

traitors will suffer for that by losing their cushy fat cat overpaid jobs jags and second houses.

the establishment dont care what happens to you wether you live well or on the breadline taxed to the hilt as long as they can keep their greedy noses in the trough they only care at election time when they make empty promises.

come on wake up and smell the coffee this country is going down the pan.

we must stop it now.

JUST VISIT THE BNP WEBSITE AND READ AND MAKE YOUR OWN MIND UP FROM THERE.

or are you one of the better off who just want to protect your own trough gmc ??????
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oscar;1114343 wrote: tut tut gmc. Don't encourage him :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

At least he didn't get an infraction for telling an American member to **** off.

Unlike bad Oscar. In comparison, he's been rather polite.


It's interesting what the censor thingy in the forum considers a swearword. dickheads was OK but ******** is censored. I don't consider it particularly rude, offensive, to some perhaps, but hardly obscene, same with bollocks, cobblers, pillock and all these other earthy terms. It's like blasphemy-it offends some but as a non believer I fail to see why I should not be allowed to express my opinion of religion freely and object to the churches claiming special dispensation from being criticised.



posted by pantoandy

JUST VISIT THE BNP WEBSITE AND READ AND MAKE YOUR OWN MIND UP FROM THERE.

or are you one of the better off who just want to protect your own trough gmc ??????




I have made up my own mind. I do actually have one which is why I am not taken in by the likes of the BNP. Like many in the UK I have parents and grandparents who fought and hard against tosspots like the BNP. Yes I have looked at the website, i have a fairly eclectic approach to politics.

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Course it's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black-the left are not above outright intimidation and bullying-just ask any council planning official or when the bbc when tony liar and his sidekick gordie boy try and shut them up. They do it for the common good of course.

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Good grief I've even been known to read the daily mail:eek:

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Any would be politician waving the flag of patriotism needs to be treated with cynicism.

Actually written by two composers jews specially for the film cabaret it has been described as the best three minute explanation for the rise of nazism ever written.

YouTube - Cabaret: Tomorrow belongs to me

Ironically the right in germany has adopted it as a theme song-except they don't get the irony of course.

Don't actually mean to offend you but when you come out with bnp tripe worrying about your sensibilities is the last thing I would do. I feel no remorse at all. It's a bit like the nazis complaining about the way they are lampooned

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Had a quick look at the website. Lowest common denominator politics:"Look! We take action against paedophiles! We must be good!"

Course they don't say they'll round up the traitors (ie anyone who doesn't agree with them) and lock them away in camps/starve them/use killing fields/drop them out of planes. But that's where their sort of movement always ends up. The terrible lure of the apparently simple answer.
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pantoandy;1115955 wrote: im always polite on my column we,ll just agree to disagree then

at least the bnp would not sign us away to brussels unlike teflon treason tony

they would in my belief return britain to how it used to be .the reason people think that the bnp are racist nazis as this is what the government want you to believe by brainwashing you about the big bad bnp

because the establishment are frightened of the bnp getting in to power and the

traitors will suffer for that by losing their cushy fat cat overpaid jobs jags and second houses.

the establishment dont care what happens to you wether you live well or on the breadline taxed to the hilt as long as they can keep their greedy noses in the trough they only care at election time when they make empty promises.

come on wake up and smell the coffee this country is going down the pan.

we must stop it now.

JUST VISIT THE BNP WEBSITE AND READ AND MAKE YOUR OWN MIND UP FROM THERE.

or are you one of the better off who just want to protect your own trough gmc ??????


In fact Panto, the early passion for joining Europe was not Tony Blair nor a Labour Government..... It was non other than Edward Heath and the Conservatives

BBC NEWS | Have Your Say | Sir Edward Heath: Your tributes

To be fair, i agree with many of your coloums. It has to be said that, yes, there is much wrong in this country. We would all love to see a return to old-fashioned value's in this country... none more than my-self. Youth and knife crime is some-thing that bugs me the most.

However, without boring every-one rigid, life was not so grand years ago. Folk tend to look back with rose-tinted specs and sigh wistfully for the good old days.

I was brought up with old fashioned value's. I was raised that if you wanted some-thing, you worked for it. Life is too selfish these days..... It's all about me me me. Or the middle me generation as i call it.

Let me ask you this Panto?

Should this country ever be invaded at some time in future history when your long and gone..... would you want a world where countries shut their borders to any-one other than a native? Would you rather leave this earth knowing that should this country be invaded and your family suffer persecution and in-human dictatorship... there would be another country that would offer asylum to YOUR family and they could live in peace and safety?

The BNP are hypocrites. I actually found my-self on the BNP websites. On one hand, the BNP says lock all all criminals up and throw away the key but on the other hand, they highlighted my case and applauded what i did. Where's the logic in that?
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oscar;1116166 wrote: In fact Panto, the early passion for joining Europe was not Tony Blair nor a Labour Government..... It was non other than Edward Heath and the Conservatives

BBC NEWS | Have Your Say | Sir Edward Heath: Your tributes

To be fair, i agree with many of your coloums. It has to be said that, yes, there is much wrong in this country. We would all love to see a return to old-fashioned value's in this country... none more than my-self. Youth and knife crime is some-thing that bugs me the most.

However, without boring every-one rigid, life was not so grand years ago. Folk tend to look back with rose-tinted specs and sigh wistfully for the good old days.

I was brought up with old fashioned value's. I was raised that if you wanted some-thing, you worked for it. Life is too selfish these days..... It's all about me me me. Or the middle me generation as i call it.

Let me ask you this Panto?

Should this country ever be invaded at some time in future history when your long and gone..... would you want a world where countries shut their borders to any-one other than a native? Would you rather leave this earth knowing that should this country be invaded and your family suffer persecution and in-human dictatorship... there would be another country that would offer asylum to YOUR family and they could live in peace and safety?

The BNP are hypocrites. I actually found my-self on the BNP websites. On one hand, the BNP says lock all all criminals up and throw away the key but on the other hand, they highlighted my case and applauded what i did. Where's the logic in that?


as i said we will just agree to disagree but the foreigners dont come here because they are persecuted they come here to live off us take our homes jobs and claim benefits and abuse our system i say deport them now lets get rid of

all these so called reffies or as i term them illegal immigrants .

at the end of the day they entered the country illegally thus breaking the law .

as to our troops they are away fighting a war which the british armed forces has no right to be fighting only to suit the political means of the faceless establishment in whitehall who answer to their masters in parliment.

if there was a civil war if the people revolted against this tide of reffies job losses taxes etc and it did happen over maggies poll tax riots the police would never cope and could not call on the armed forces as they are abroad and could not be brought back in time to quell any unrest.
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pantoandy;1116614 wrote: as i said we will just agree to disagree but the foreigners dont come here because they are persecuted they come here to live off us take our homes jobs and claim benefits and abuse our system i say deport them now lets get rid of

all these so called reffies or as i term them illegal immigrants .

at the end of the day they entered the country illegally thus breaking the law .

as to our troops they are away fighting a war which the british armed forces has no right to be fighting only to suit the political means of the faceless establishment in whitehall who answer to their masters in parliment.

if there was a civil war if the people revolted against this tide of reffies job losses taxes etc and it did happen over maggies poll tax riots the police would never cope and could not call on the armed forces as they are abroad and could not be brought back in time to quell any unrest.
It would be interesting to explore the reasons you feel this way.

I totally understand how you feel about illegal immigrants. Britain is not that hard to get in via the legal route. But are you aware of how MUCH money it costs to get an entry clearance visa?

And frankly, when things go south in your own country, who do you turn to? The country that colonised you perhaps? And showed you the face of democracy? That puts out a helping hand in the form of hope for something better?

The worst job grabbers here are not here illegally. They are here because you belong to the European Union. And that is legal. Freely moving people with no borders. Thats why you get Romanian folk raping British women just so they can go to jail to learn english. (Saw that in the Metro) Poland has invaded quite legally. And not very many of their £ they earn are spent here, to bolster this economy they choose to rape. At least in this part of England. But all this is quite legal.

It may not be moral, but it's legal.

And there isnt anything the BNP can do about that. UKIP is the one you want for that. And they are already in EU parliament. Just not the majority.

Another holocaust is not the answer. Why do you feel so strongly about foreigners? Most of us work, invest and contribute to the economic prosperity of Britain. We speak english fluently. And frankly, we make Britain a pretty interesting place to be. I have NEVER received benefits. Nor do I want to. I can make my own way, thank you very much. I work for my keep. Alot harder here, than I ever had to in America. I take care of you when you're sick, and you're thanking me by saying "go home, I dont want you here"? Have you seen the variety of folks who work in the NHS? All of us pay our taxes. Britain IS my home too. I have probably got more ENGLISH in my DNA than most people who hold British passports! I just wasnt born here. Does that make me a foreigner too? I will admit that I have never been treated as such. And no, I am not here illegally. I am here only because I fell in love with, and married an Englishman. HE INVITED ME HERE! Thats why you see so many foreigners here WE WERE INVITED!
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The BNP seems to be trying to use the illegal immigrant issue the way the Nazis used the Jews: blame everything on them. Claim that everything would be so much better if only this one issue could be sorted out. Produce lots of stories showing how horrible they are. It's called scapegoating.

It has enormous appeal to people who are worried for the future and find the appeal of something simple offered as a solution much easier than coping wih the reality of a changing world.

We take things so much for granted. Don't you realise what an amazing thing we've achieved in these islands? That so many different cultures live here in eachother's back pockets? Sure we've got problems, big ones, but generally speaking race relations isn't one of them.

And you want to make it the number one issue? With the history of where that sort of politics leads? With the known origins of the BNP?

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And by the way....I didnt TAKE my home from an Englishman. He sold it to me quite cheerfully. He was quite eager to accept my hard earned BRITISH £ and sell it to me.
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Raven;1116621 wrote: It would be interesting to explore the reasons you feel this way.

I totally understand how you feel about illegal immigrants. Britain is not that hard to get in via the legal route. But are you aware of how MUCH money it costs to get an entry clearance visa?

And frankly, when things go south in your own country, who do you turn to? The country that colonised you perhaps? And showed you the face of democracy? That puts out a helping hand in the form of hope for something better?

The worst job grabbers here are not here illegally. They are here because you belong to the European Union. And that is legal. Freely moving people with no borders. Thats why you get Romanian folk raping British women just so they can go to jail to learn english. (Saw that in the Metro) Poland has invaded quite legally. And not very many of their £ they earn are spent here, to bolster this economy they choose to rape. At least in this part of England. But all this is quite legal.

It may not be moral, but it's legal.

And there isnt anything the BNP can do about that. UKIP is the one you want for that. And they are already in EU parliament. Just not the majority.

Another holocaust is not the answer. Why do you feel so strongly about foreigners? Most of us work, invest and contribute to the economic prosperity of Britain. We speak english fluently. And frankly, we make Britain a pretty interesting place to be. I have NEVER received benefits. Nor do I want to. I can make my own way, thank you very much. I work for my keep. Alot harder here, than I ever had to in America. I take care of you when you're sick, and you're thanking me by saying "go home, I dont want you here"? Have you seen the variety of folks who work in the NHS? All of us pay our taxes. Britain IS my home too. I have probably got more ENGLISH in my DNA than most people who hold British passports! I just wasnt born here. Does that make me a foreigner too? I will admit that I have never been treated as such. And no, I am not here illegally. I am here only because I fell in love with, and married an Englishman. HE INVITED ME HERE! Thats why you see so many foreigners here WE WERE INVITED!


to quote you both

i do not have any problem with those living here legally and do not really blame the the poles romanians etc here its not their fault but the governments fault for letting them in to the uk through an open door policy we have now more illegal immigrants than expected also what i strongly object to is the fact they are not being being prevented from entering the uk at calais and once they are here those who do make it across the channel they are then allowed to go on their merry way with a map and told to report to a uk immigration centre most of which disapear never to be traced again .

this situation must be reversed before the country is over run with them

we are getting reffies from the middle east some of which are bombers

africans which is rife with aids even criminals from abroad because under the EU rules which our rights treasonous teflon tony signed away to brussels in persuit of his euro superstate without borders or frontiers we are powerless to evict.

you talk of the BNP being nazis you watch too many war films mate

the BNP are nothing like nazis hitler was austrian not german and the majority of the german people didnt want nazism but dared not revolt against it.

hitler is dead he shot himself in a bunker in berlin in 1945 to avoid the allies rope how dare you as an englishman quote that monstrosities name :mad::mad::mad:
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pantoandy;1116671 wrote: to quote you both

i do not have any problem with those living here legally and do not really blame the the poles romanians etc here its not their fault but the governments fault for letting them in to the uk through an open door policy we have now more illegal immigrants than expected also what i strongly object to is the fact they are not being being prevented from entering the uk at calais and once they are here those who do make it across the channel they are then allowed to go on their merry way with a map and told to report to a uk immigration centre most of which disapear never to be traced again .

this situation must be reversed before the country is over run with them

we are getting reffies from the middle east some of which are bombers

africans which is rife with aids even criminals from abroad because under the EU rules which our rights treasonous teflon tony signed away to brussels in persuit of his euro superstate without borders or frontiers we are powerless to evict.

you talk of the BNP being nazis you watch too many war films mate

the BNP are nothing like nazis hitler was austrian not german and the majority of the german people didnt want nazism but dared not revolt against it.

hitler is dead he shot himself in a bunker in berlin in 1945 to avoid the allies rope how dare you as an englishman quote that monstrosities name :mad::mad::mad:
Trust me mate, I DO understand the problem. My country shares a border with Mexico. But the bombers here are here LEGALLY! Not ONE of the terrorists were an overstay! The two recently caught and convicted were DOCTORS for cryin out loud! What I am trying to examine, is the REASON for such vitriolic attitudes for those of foreign birth. Lets look at how you describe Hitler. You describe him as a monstrosity. His actions and motivations for those actions were EXACTLY the kind existing today in Britain. Especially in light of current events. We have the economic issues facing us that they did, we have Israel doing the same thing to the Palestinians that Germany did to them, (well almost, not quite) and we have VERY unstable governments around the world, hell bent on destroying their own people, (such as Zimbabwe). The point is, we need to move on from tarring whole entire peoples with the same brush. We need to start judging (if we dare at all) on the basis of individual merit. All countries have a mixed population these days. Hitler was a monstrosity because of what he DID, not because of who he WAS. Not every German was a Hitler youth. Not every African is a Robert Mugabe. Some of the best nurses I work with are from Zimbabwe. They are here because THIS government, the representatives of the British people, believe in letting the truly terrorised folks of other countries, have safe haven from that type of oppression. True, no system is perfect. And there are those that would take advantage of what exists for good, and use it for evil. But its those who would abuse it, that need to be deported and punished, not those who are here on good faith.
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pantoandy;1116614 wrote: as i said we will just agree to disagree but the foreigners dont come here because they are persecuted they come here to live off us take our homes jobs and claim benefits and abuse our system i say deport them now lets get rid of

all these so called reffies or as i term them illegal immigrants .

at the end of the day they entered the country illegally thus breaking the law .

as to our troops they are away fighting a war which the british armed forces has no right to be fighting only to suit the political means of the faceless establishment in whitehall who answer to their masters in parliment.

if there was a civil war if the people revolted against this tide of reffies job losses taxes etc and it did happen over maggies poll tax riots the police would never cope and could not call on the armed forces as they are abroad and could not be brought back in time to quell any unrest.


Panto, I think your are fearing something of which is unlikely to happen in this country. I grew up up in a Conservative house, i went to private Grammar school and i was one of the lucky kids who got driven to school in a Bentley. I had a charmed like life living in an idylic leafy suberb that we all dream of.

Some years ago, i moved to Britstol with my job...I relocated from West Sussex. The first thing that struck me when i got here was how cosmopoitan it was. My husband before he became so ill took employment with a Muslim family business. Over the years, they have become the most loyal froiends we have ever had, infact, i'd go as far as to say, i see them as brothers. Their extended families come and yes, sometimes, without visa's. Most go on to get visa'a. They don't want to come here to scrounge benifit and get a council house. All they want to do is work and earn money. Since we have been here, we have worked and made close friends with Iraniians, Pakistani's Greeks, Turkish, Polish etc. Once a week, we all meet, My Turkish friend makes a huge pot of Turkish stew and we sit putting the world to rights. It's one of my favourite times of the week. The have no greed, no malice, no idea of war, no spite, whatever. I can go into any of those businesses and leave my handbag open all night without a second thought. I am addressed as Madam even by the one's i have known for years. The British could well do to look to these people to learn how to live decently. This is not confined to Bristol. All immigrants are the same. All they want, is a better life and do you really have so much hatred for mankind that you be-grudge them this?
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oscar;1116815 wrote: Panto, I think your are fearing something of which is unlikely to happen in this country. I grew up up in a Conservative house, i went to private Grammar school and i was one of the lucky kids who got driven to school in a Bentley. I had a charmed like life living in an idylic leafy suberb that we all dream of.

Some years ago, i moved to Britstol with my job...I relocated from West Sussex. The first thing that struck me when i got here was how cosmopoitan it was. My husband before he became so ill took employment with a Muslim family business. Over the years, they have become the most loyal froiends we have ever had, infact, i'd go as far as to say, i see them as brothers. Their extended families come and yes, sometimes, without visa's. Most go on to get visa'a. They don't want to come here to scrounge benifit and get a council house. All they want to do is work and earn money. Since we have been here, we have worked and made close friends with Iraniians, Pakistani's Greeks, Turkish, Polish etc. Once a week, we all meet, My Turkish friend makes a huge pot of Turkish stew and we sit putting the world to rights. It's one of my favourite times of the week. The have no greed, no malice, no idea of war, no spite, whatever. I can go into any of those businesses and leave my handbag open all night without a second thought. I am addressed as Madam even by the one's i have known for years. The British could well do to look to these people to learn how to live decently. This is not confined to Bristol. All immigrants are the same. All they want, is a better life and do you really have so much hatred for mankind that you be-grudge them this?
Well said, Madam. Amen to that.
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oscar;1116815 wrote: Panto, I think your are fearing something of which is unlikely to happen in this country. I grew up up in a Conservative house, i went to private Grammar school and i was one of the lucky kids who got driven to school in a Bentley. I had a charmed like life living in an idylic leafy suberb that we all dream of.

Some years ago, i moved to Britstol with my job...I relocated from West Sussex. The first thing that struck me when i got here was how cosmopoitan it was. My husband before he became so ill took employment with a Muslim family business. Over the years, they have become the most loyal froiends we have ever had, infact, i'd go as far as to say, i see them as brothers. Their extended families come and yes, sometimes, without visa's. Most go on to get visa'a. They don't want to come here to scrounge benifit and get a council house. All they want to do is work and earn money. Since we have been here, we have worked and made close friends with Iraniians, Pakistani's Greeks, Turkish, Polish etc. Once a week, we all meet, My Turkish friend makes a huge pot of Turkish stew and we sit putting the world to rights. It's one of my favourite times of the week. The have no greed, no malice, no idea of war, no spite, whatever. I can go into any of those businesses and leave my handbag open all night without a second thought. I am addressed as Madam even by the one's i have known for years. The British could well do to look to these people to learn how to live decently. This is not confined to Bristol. All immigrants are the same. All they want, is a better life and do you really have so much hatred for mankind that you be-grudge them this?


at least there are some decent foreigners 1 to you :D:D:D

but some do abuse the system
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pantoandy;1116878 wrote: at least there are some decent foreigners 1 to you :D:D:D

but some do abuse the system


Ce la vie.
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pantoandy;1116878 wrote: at least there are some decent foreigners 1 to you :D:D:D

but some do abuse the system


When we do put the world to rights, do you know the one thing they do complain about in Britian??

The teenagers!!!!!!!! They are appalled at the lack of respect, manners ans social skills. When the foriegners think our teenagers are disgusting.... then we should start looking elsewhere to clean up our own backyard!!:D
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oscar;1116888 wrote: When we do put the world to rights, do you know the one thing they do complain about in Britian??

The teenagers!!!!!!!! They are appalled at the lack of respect, manners ans social skills. When the foriegners think our teenagers are disgusting.... then we should start looking elsewhere to clean up our own backyard!!:D


Britains teenagers are no worse than any others! It's the education system that needs looking at actually. I cant believe they test those kids like that! Some have 5 or 6 exams in ONE day!! No wonder they are loopy!
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