Families Should Have No More Than 2 Children In The Uk??

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:51 am

kazalala;1127985 wrote: hi suzy:D:-4 hope ye ok:-4

I'm good thanks love, just felt I had to stay away for a while, tempretures were more icy than outside if you get my drift :wah:

Hope you and the family are good :-4

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:54 am

kazalala;1127982 wrote: Others Oscar? do you mean Spot? As far as i can see Shaz answered a question from spot perfectly innocently, she is quite new to the forum and therefore isnt aware of spots posting style. (i have only just begun to understand his posts myself:o) From then on she has only had to defend her posts and explain herself, ,,,, honestly! for having an opinion:rolleyes:

I invite a friend of mine to this forum, raving about how good it is and how friendly,, and what does she do? land herself in this thread!!:rolleyes::yh_rotfl While i am well aware Shaz can hold her own,, i hope her initiation isnt enough to put her off:sneaky:

well said Kaz, bravo!

-a horrible way for Shaz to realize what some are like here......even worse being a newbie here.

Shaz will stay, she is one of us now and a remarkable lady, so caring, so funny, so understanding, your friend is tops!:-4

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:57 am

SuzyB;1127980 wrote:

And just think after having numerous labours your bits would be like a bucket after, :sneaky:

Fanny like a wizzards sleeve you mean???:yh_rotfl

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:59 am

oscar;1128004 wrote: Fanny like a wizzards sleeve you mean???:yh_rotfl

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotflThats the one

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:59 am

Odie;1128000 wrote: well said Kaz, bravo!

-a horrible way for Shaz to realize what some are like here......even worse being a newbie here.

Shaz will stay, she is one of us now and a remarkable lady, so caring, so funny, so understanding, your friend is tops!:-4

Of course she will stay...She's British. I'm sure she's got more back bone than to be rubbished off by lil ole Oscar.

:):)

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:00 am

SuzyB;1128008 wrote: :yh_rotfl:yh_rotflThats the one

Or di you mean... Labia like a horses collar? :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:01 am

oscar;1128009 wrote: Of course she will stay...She's British. I'm sure she's got more back bone than to be rubbished off by lil ole Oscar.

:):)

being British has nothing to do with how people feel.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:02 am

SuzyB;1127996 wrote: I'm good thanks love, just felt I had to stay away for a while, tempretures were more icy than outside if you get my drift :wah:

Hope you and the family are good :-4
lovely to see you then:-4 ye we ok thanks:D

Odie;1128000 wrote: well said Kaz, bravo!

-a horrible way for Shaz to realize what some are like here......even worse being a newbie here.

Shaz will stay, she is one of us now and a remarkable lady, so caring, so funny, so understanding, your friend is tops!:-4

oh Odie i will probs get wrong off her for butting in,,, she dont need my help at all,,,:rolleyes: think i just felt a bit crap she landed in it and i have been telling her to come here for aaaaaaaages:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl im sure she will probably thik it very funny:D

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:06 am

kazalala;1128013 wrote: lovely to see you then:-4 ye we ok thanks:D

oh Odie i will probs get wrong off her for butting in,,, she dont need my help at all,,,:rolleyes: think i just felt a bit crap she landed in it and i have been telling her to come here for aaaaaaaages:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl im sure she will probably thik it very funny:D

Couse she will... She's British and the British have a sense of humour.

;);)

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:32 am

oscar;1128018 wrote: Couse she will... She's British and the British have a sense of humour.

;);)

-as said before, being British has nothing to do with this.

everyone has humour, when it is actually humour.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:58 am

oscar;1128018 wrote: Couse she will... She's British and the British have a sense of humour.

;);)

Odie;1128027 wrote: -as said before, being British has nothing to do with this.

everyone has humour, when it is actually humour.

You can only p!ss on someones leg and tell them it's raining so many times before the humor is lost..:-5

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:02 pm

...is it just me or are the ladies' avatars getting steadily sexier????

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:04 pm

Clodhopper;1128044 wrote: ...is it just me or are the ladies' avatars getting steadily sexier????

why thank you

D:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Post by **Betty Boop** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:05 pm

Clodhopper;1128044 wrote: ...is it just me or are the ladies' avatars getting steadily sexier????

I have no idea, thats only something a man would notice :p:wah: Reminds me, I need to take off that Christmas suit...

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:17 pm

Clodhopper;1128044 wrote: ...is it just me or are the ladies' avatars getting steadily sexier????

thanks......glad you noticed!:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:18 pm

Betty Boop;1128047 wrote: I have no idea, thats only something a man would notice :p:wah: Reminds me, I need to take off that Christmas suit...

Betty Boop must have clothes for Valentines Day, bring it on baby!:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:27 pm

why thank you

Must admit, I always thought Jennifer Saunders was a bit of a babe...:-4

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:33 pm

Clodhopper;1128082 wrote: Must admit, I always thought Jennifer Saunders was a bit of a babe...:-4

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:14 pm

Clodhopper;1128044 wrote: ...is it just me or are the ladies' avatars getting steadily sexier????

hey, thanks for noticing, sweetie...

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:17 pm

flopstock;1128101 wrote: hey, thanks for noticing, sweetie...

oooo yours is even better than mine:sneaky::yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:17 pm

hey, thanks for noticing, sweetie...

If he isn't a gay heartthrob yet, he soon will be!;)

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:41 pm

jimbo;1128106 wrote: too right buddy

there is by the way a puddle by your right foot

:)
No worries, thats mine.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:52 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbo

too right buddy

there is by the way a puddle by your right foot

No worries, thats mine.

__________________

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Come to the Clodhopper Arms, where the Real Ale drinkers are hooked up to the Lager pumps and such little accidents never occur.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:27 pm

YZGI;1128043 wrote: You can only p!ss on someones leg and tell them it's raining so many times before the humor is lost..:-5

you got that one right!

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:48 pm

I read once how the population of white anglo peoples is declining and the population of other races is improving. Those in what we would often refer to as third world countries are having children with progressively larger and larger families. Where as the anglo populations of the world are declining in family numbers and therefore population and race structure.

I saw this on a 'supremisist' site and I could argue with quite a few of their points but this I could not argue with .

Are we declining because we are told to, or are we declining because there is another colonial type situation going on in which the few control the many? And it will be the white few who do this?

There is all this talk about overpopulation and it seems only those in western societies are taking heed of this.............where will this lead us?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:48 pm

jimbo;1128106 wrote: too right buddy

there is by the way a puddle by your right foot

:) :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl HOWS YOUR FROSTED RIM JIM?:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Hope6 · Post by **Hope6** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:28 pm

both my parents were from a family of 9 children, my mother was 4th in her family and my dad was the youngest in his, if their parents had been restricted to having only 1 or 2 children, neither of them would have been born and that means i would have never existed as well!

i like to think i'm of some value to the world!

shazzoom · Post by **shazzoom** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:36 am

Hello everyone,, how u all doing??

Speaking of children,, all they want is to be loved and cared for and they should blossom into young adults.

shazzoom · Post by **shazzoom** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:07 am

Hello Jester,

They need food, clothes, attention and education to set them on their ways and the more children you have the more you have to share but it does learn them not to be so greedy.

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:43 am

Kindle;1127004 wrote: It is not small at all. Check the net.

WHILE CHINA HAS 21% OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION, it has only 10% of land suitable for cultivation. More than 160 million people are added to the population every year. In response, the Chinese government has vigorously promoted family planning; in 1979 they announced the controversial 'one child policy,' with rewards and penalties to induce couples to limit their family to one child. For thousands of years, Chinese culture has dictated every family must have a son or risk dishonoring their ancestors; the birth of a boy is celebrated while the birth of a girl is not acknowledged. More than 6 million women in China are called 'Lai-De' or 'Zheo-Di' (both of which mean, 'next time bring a boy'). There are no official statistics for abandoned babies, and abandoning children is a crime that carries stiff penalties. But some parents are willing to take the risk because, if they can only have one child, they don't want it to be a girl. Abandoned children are left to die beside roads, rivers and railway stations; others are picked up by gangs and used for begging. There are some 40,000 orphanages with between 1 and 3 million Chinese orphans; two in five babies entering the system die.

Having adopted a daughter from China, I learned much about the situation there with regards to their one child law.

The first thing that surprised me when being there was although the facts are correct that there are many girls up for adoption because of the preference to having a son vs a daughter is true, (and this is what you always hear about), the number of boys abandoned is also incredibly high, but gets little publicity.

A 1 child policy is exactly that, if a second child happens also to be a boy, the child also needs to be abandoned. This gets little publicity though, and therefore many young boys are left to grow up in orphanages and not be adopted as the outside world mostly adopts the little girls because of what they hear regarding the situation.

The term ‘abandoned’ although technically correct as a term, is very different than what we think. It is not abandonment out of choice; the penalties are very stiff for having a second child and would bankrupt a family. To bring a child to an orphanage would again identify the mother of having the child and therefore subject them to the fine, so yes, the children can be left ‘ beside roads, rivers and railway stations;’ but it is a myth that they are left there to die. They are most often left in a way so that they are easily found, and well wrapped up, and even with notes begging for someone to care for the child.

It would be wrong to depict the mothers as uncaring and cruel, it is the system, and I am sure that there are as many broken hearts of mothers as there are children ‘abandoned’.

Over the years due to the law, the population growth of men vs woman has been increasing creating a gap, so the laws have been modified in some ways.

Natural born twins are allowed.

If the first born child is a girl, the family can now receive government funding; this is done to try to offset the preference for sons and the abandonment of girls. However the outcome of this is: In the countryside where farming is predominant the preference is for boys as they are needed for farming and strength, in the cities where houses are expensive, the preference has turned towards wanting girls to receive the government subsidies.

One can argue if their law is wrong or right, but how does anyone manage a population of over 1 billion people and continuously growing.

The law can be seen as cruel, but the Chinese themselves are a people who love their children very much and have a very strong sense of family, this law and the stiff penalties that enforce it, put people in positions where they need to do what they must really not want to.

shazzoom · Post by **shazzoom** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:46 am

Mike your post is very informative, well done.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:07 am

to adopt a child from China here its costs you well over 50,000.

such a crock when so many needs homes!

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:20 am

Odie;1128730 wrote: to adopt a child from China here its costs you well over 50,000.

such a crock when so many needs homes!

Good God? Why???

Who is making the money?

I didn't have to spend anything other than government document fees, travel costs and a personal & moderate donation paid directly to the orphanage.

It took a few years to go through the process, but at least it was official and no funny business.

Part of the problem is that people do not want to wait, so they take short cuts and go through agencies and lawyers so it can happen fast, and get ripped off everywhere, or worse, you may not really know the real background and situation.

Paying out that kind of money would worry me, no wonder you hear stories of corruption with regards to adoption.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:38 am

mikeinie;1128774 wrote: Good God? Why???

Who is making the money?

I didn't have to spend anything other than government document fees, travel costs and a personal & moderate donation paid directly to the orphanage.

It took a few years to go through the process, but at least it was official and no funny business.

Part of the problem is that people do not want to wait, so they take short cuts and go through agencies and lawyers so it can happen fast, and get ripped off everywhere, or worse, you may not really know the real background and situation.

Paying out that kind of money would worry me, no wonder you hear stories of corruption with regards to adoption.

that's it, our friends went thru an agency......twice!

it was an excellent agency, no crap whatsoever, they searched many agencies to find the right one.

Kindle · Post by **Kindle** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:46 am

People in the States also go through agencies and the cost is very high. But, when you want children so much......................

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:20 pm

Kindle;1128802 wrote: People in the States also go through agencies and the cost is very high. But, when you want children so much......................

so true, and if you do it with the government, so much red tape and years and years to wait.........so I say, go and do it!

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:24 pm

I just checked the list of Today's Posts and directly under this thread was one called Neutering.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:39 pm

AussiePam;1129143 wrote: I just checked the list of Today's Posts and directly under this thread was one called Neutering.

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:09 pm

If your country shares good politics with China it's cheap and easy ....but lawyers are making most of money. They are practically giving children away in Romania. But forget about Russia. When Iraq and Afghanistan eventually settles down you'll be able to adopt some orphans from their I'm sure.

Milkenie another problem china has got with abondonment is the pre school tests. There have been cases where children have been abondoned and even murdered because they didn't do so well. Parents get rid of the child and begin from scratch.

I find it amazing that in a country where uncles and aunts played such a huge family role within the culture, that now we have children who never know what a uncle or aunt is ( probably third generation now?)

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:20 pm

fuzzywuzzy;1129171 wrote: If your country shares good politics with China it's cheap and easy ....but lawyers are making most of money. They are practically giving children away in Romania. But forget about Russia. When Iraq and Afghanistan eventually settles down you'll be able to adopt some orphans from their I'm sure.

Milkenie another problem china has got with abondonment is the pre school tests. There have been cases where children have been abondoned and even murdered because they didn't do so well. Parents get rid of the child and begin from scratch.

I find it amazing that in a country where uncles and aunts played such a huge family role within the culture, that now we have children who never know what a uncle or aunt is ( probably third generation now?)

Sorry, but is there any evidence of this, or where is this reported? I have never heard of anything like that, and I find it very hard to believe.