An issue close to my own heart here but unfortunately, it seems to only be the opposition who is recognising that something has has to be done about youth crime here.
You're grounded: Tories want to give courts power to stop thugs from leaving their homes | Mail Online
Courts would get the power to 'ground' teenage thugs under Tory proposals being unveiled today.
Youngsters who police believed were causing trouble could be banned from leaving their homes, except to attend school.
Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling will tell the Local Government Association today:
'I think our police need the power to ground a young persistent troublemaker - in the hope that we can stop them from getting so far into trouble that they end up in the criminal justice system.
Youngsters who police believed were causing trouble could be banned from leaving their homes
Our police should have powers to go straight to a magistrate and get an order against that troublemaker confining them to their home for up to a month - except for during school hours.
'And if they break that curfew order they should expect to find themselves in the cells.'
The grounding order will be a civil penalty, as with existing anti-social behaviour orders. But if a thug breaks the order they will have committed a crime, and could end up in court.
Mr Grayling also wants to give officers the power to remove badly behaved children from the streets and take them to a police station where their parents could be forced to collect them.
'I don't think we should be shifting ten-year-olds out of their home areas,' he will say in his speech today. 'I think we should be sending them home to bed.
'So I will instruct our police to remove young troublemakers from our streets altogether, not just move them on to disrupt a different street.
'If police find young people doing something stupid out in their communities, I think we should give them the power, sometimes, to take them back to the police station and make their parents come and get them.'
The Home Office has already given police dispersal powers to break up intimidating groups of people from pre- designated zones. Officers can send home anyone under 16 who is out in the dispersal zone after 9pm.
But researchers have dismissed the zones as a 'sticking plaster' and say they have pushed up crime in neighbouring areas, notably criminal damage, by simply moving on the yobs.
Mr Grayling, in his first major announcements since becoming Shadow Home Secretary, yesterday said all those involved in violent attacks or found with knives in city centres would end up behind bars rather than be issued with a caution.
In 2007, 60 per cent of under 18s found to have committed an offence received only a caution, up from 56 per cent in 2003.
There were 75,300 youths cautioned in 2007 compared with 58,600 in 2003.
Mr Grayling will outline plans this week to give police charging powers of their own so that they can charge youths in custody with offences such as carrying knives rather than referring the cases to prosecutors.
The Tories are also looking to change police targets so that issuing a caution does not count as a crime solved, and a case taken to court counts as a bigger success than a caution.
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grounding does sound like it would work, but a friends corrupt son was on house alert.....which is the same, not aloud to leave his home.
but come the wee hours of the morning, he would escape thru his bedroom window, and be back in bed by morning.
.........of course until the cops spotted him one night, questioned him as to why a 14 year old was out at 3 am...........then his father put bars on his bedroom window.
because of embarrassment at his friends and neighbors seeing the bars, he now leaves through the front door when his parents are sleeping.
these types of kids will find a way if the want to.:sneaky:
throw them into the military for a year.
but come the wee hours of the morning, he would escape thru his bedroom window, and be back in bed by morning.
.........of course until the cops spotted him one night, questioned him as to why a 14 year old was out at 3 am...........then his father put bars on his bedroom window.
because of embarrassment at his friends and neighbors seeing the bars, he now leaves through the front door when his parents are sleeping.
these types of kids will find a way if the want to.:sneaky:
throw them into the military for a year.
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Themis;1142803 wrote: Band Aid policies will not fix Britain's broken society, another nanny state proposal for a police state instead of justice and education.. criminals are those who think laws do not apply to them, the Lords are lawless..
Men can steel a country and be rewarded while other men steel bread to feed their family are punished so severely..
Democracy is not fit for purpose with business men and Lawyers who dictate. I can not dis-agree with you there Themis. As Odie said, these kids get round it some-how especially here where the parents would probably be arrested for 'False imprisonment' under our human rights laws for confining them. There has to be major changes in the law or i can see Britain just being infested with the spawn of these vile parents here who's only exercise is to bend down and pick their benifit cheque up off the door-mat. I'd like to see our military go into some of these estates and deal with these gangs.
Men can steel a country and be rewarded while other men steel bread to feed their family are punished so severely..
Democracy is not fit for purpose with business men and Lawyers who dictate. I can not dis-agree with you there Themis. As Odie said, these kids get round it some-how especially here where the parents would probably be arrested for 'False imprisonment' under our human rights laws for confining them. There has to be major changes in the law or i can see Britain just being infested with the spawn of these vile parents here who's only exercise is to bend down and pick their benifit cheque up off the door-mat. I'd like to see our military go into some of these estates and deal with these gangs.
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oscar;1143205 wrote: I can not dis-agree with you there Themis. As Odie said, these kids get round it some-how especially here where the parents would probably be arrested for 'False imprisonment' under our human rights laws for confining them. There has to be major changes in the law or i can see Britain just being infested with the spawn of these vile parents here who's only exercise is to bend down and pick their benifit cheque up off the door-mat. I'd like to see our military go into some of these estates and deal with these gangs.
we have a few gangs here as well, the police have done an amazing job in rounding most up..........but they are back on the streets shortly.:-5:-5
we have a few gangs here as well, the police have done an amazing job in rounding most up..........but they are back on the streets shortly.:-5:-5
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Odie;1143406 wrote: we have a few gangs here as well, the police have done an amazing job in rounding most up..........but they are back on the streets shortly.:-5:-5 Yes but you have real police in Canade and the States Odie......... We've got 'Blunkett's army of tossers'. 
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oscar;1143424 wrote: Yes but you have real police in Canade and the States Odie......... We've got 'Blunkett's army of tossers'. :mad::mad:
omg, this day and age and what goes on.......that is sad.
:mad::mad:omg, this day and age and what goes on.......that is sad.
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Odie;1142795 wrote: grounding does sound like it would work, but a friends corrupt son was on house alert.....which is the same, not aloud to leave his home.
but come the wee hours of the morning, he would escape thru his bedroom window, and be back in bed by morning.
.........of course until the cops spotted him one night, questioned him as to why a 14 year old was out at 3 am...........then his father put bars on his bedroom window.
because of embarrassment at his friends and neighbors seeing the bars, he now leaves through the front door when his parents are sleeping.
these types of kids will find a way if the want to.:sneaky:
throw them into the military for a year.
I agree, boot camp until 21 years of age. They will have schooling and the discipline that their parents aren't able to provide adequately. The fact that his father put bars on the window showed he tried so can't be held guilty of not caring.
but come the wee hours of the morning, he would escape thru his bedroom window, and be back in bed by morning.
.........of course until the cops spotted him one night, questioned him as to why a 14 year old was out at 3 am...........then his father put bars on his bedroom window.
because of embarrassment at his friends and neighbors seeing the bars, he now leaves through the front door when his parents are sleeping.
these types of kids will find a way if the want to.:sneaky:
throw them into the military for a year.
I agree, boot camp until 21 years of age. They will have schooling and the discipline that their parents aren't able to provide adequately. The fact that his father put bars on the window showed he tried so can't be held guilty of not caring.
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Jester;1143594 wrote: Why should the military have to waste thier time training some thug kid that should have been properly disciplined as a child? Been there done that, even have the T shirt- I was a Drill Sgt. I dont want to waste my time with thug kids, I dont want your rejects, I want your best and your brightest! I dont want to send a thug to a foriegn country, with my flag sewn on his shoduler as a shining example of my countries finest!
Just cane them. Its quick, its simple, its a clear example of the consequence of breaking a socially unacceptable behavior to everyone, its relatively harmless, leaves no permanent scar and I gurantee it will stop the behavior in the 'sheeple' kids of the same generation, and will be almost non existant in the following generation.
The thugs should be beaten and turned out, not rewarded with petty punishment that makes them laugh at authority, that makes for progression from teen thugary to hardened criminal.
when i was in school ( a long time ago:rolleyes:) we still had the cane which was given for any type of bad behaviour the teacher decided. I had a friend who was always getting in to trouble, or being late or giving cheek whatever,,, she had to report to get her cane nearly every day or at least a few times a week, it didnt stop her. I had another friend who one day came with me to town, when i asked where she got the money, she said she had taken it from the counter in her house, and she was already grounded and wasnt supposed to be out! i was shocked as i knew her parents would be so mad,,, she said oh i will get a good hiding when i get home,, so what it hurts for a while then goes away.
Some Teachers would give the cane or the slipper(a trainer wacked on your behind) for any reason at all,,, they were human,, they got mad,,had a bad day whatever,,, one teacher wanted to give me the slipper for forgetting my band to tie back my hair for p.e. i said no, my mother dont hit me with shoes and neither will you, i will accept a punishment not a beating. a system can be abused.
I had neighbours who used physical violence as a punishment for their kids,, it made no difference to their behaviour except to make it worse.
I do believe we are too soft on criminals specially young criminals or young people who are going wrong. they need to know there is a consequence to their actions and at the moment that does not seem to exist in this country.
I am not saying i am right you are wrong,, or vice versa,, its just my personal belief violence isnt the answer.
Just cane them. Its quick, its simple, its a clear example of the consequence of breaking a socially unacceptable behavior to everyone, its relatively harmless, leaves no permanent scar and I gurantee it will stop the behavior in the 'sheeple' kids of the same generation, and will be almost non existant in the following generation.
The thugs should be beaten and turned out, not rewarded with petty punishment that makes them laugh at authority, that makes for progression from teen thugary to hardened criminal.
when i was in school ( a long time ago:rolleyes:) we still had the cane which was given for any type of bad behaviour the teacher decided. I had a friend who was always getting in to trouble, or being late or giving cheek whatever,,, she had to report to get her cane nearly every day or at least a few times a week, it didnt stop her. I had another friend who one day came with me to town, when i asked where she got the money, she said she had taken it from the counter in her house, and she was already grounded and wasnt supposed to be out! i was shocked as i knew her parents would be so mad,,, she said oh i will get a good hiding when i get home,, so what it hurts for a while then goes away.
Some Teachers would give the cane or the slipper(a trainer wacked on your behind) for any reason at all,,, they were human,, they got mad,,had a bad day whatever,,, one teacher wanted to give me the slipper for forgetting my band to tie back my hair for p.e. i said no, my mother dont hit me with shoes and neither will you, i will accept a punishment not a beating. a system can be abused.
I had neighbours who used physical violence as a punishment for their kids,, it made no difference to their behaviour except to make it worse.
I do believe we are too soft on criminals specially young criminals or young people who are going wrong. they need to know there is a consequence to their actions and at the moment that does not seem to exist in this country.
I am not saying i am right you are wrong,, or vice versa,, its just my personal belief violence isnt the answer.
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Jester;1143788 wrote: Kaz I think your right- the secret isnt just the spanking, its the training and proper discipline that goes with it, one without the other is fruitless.
But we're not talking about a spanking from a parent at this point, we're talking about the government stepping in and doing what the parents have failed to do with some kids, the ones who become junior criminals on thier way to becoming murderers and drug dealers or worse disgruntaled citizens who become terrorists for any faction that gives them some similance of care.
The method of canning employed by Singapore is at a level that is out of the parents hands. Its a legal punishment for a crime.
These thug kids in the UK and other places are breaking social behaviors that are criminal, they have passed the level at which their parents can control them and they are being put back in the house and 'grounded' as if the parents can handle them, which they cannot. All you've done is endanger the parents by keeping a locked animal in the same cage. I'm with you Jester. My parents never even raised their voices to us but mainly because they didn't have to. We just knew that if we behaved badly while out, it brought shame on our parents and that was enough because we respected our parents. These yobs of today have no respect for anything or anybody including our police.
There are enough services in this country that if a parent admits they can not control their teen, help is out there. Some don't want that help because the parents themselves believe they are above the law.
I'd like to see a system where the parents are dragged before the courts and fined heavilly. If they are on benifit, then tough, they have to go with out their booze and ciggs for a few months. All the time they claim child benifit from the government then they should be responsible for it's behaviour. Failing that, take them into care away from the parents.
But we're not talking about a spanking from a parent at this point, we're talking about the government stepping in and doing what the parents have failed to do with some kids, the ones who become junior criminals on thier way to becoming murderers and drug dealers or worse disgruntaled citizens who become terrorists for any faction that gives them some similance of care.
The method of canning employed by Singapore is at a level that is out of the parents hands. Its a legal punishment for a crime.
These thug kids in the UK and other places are breaking social behaviors that are criminal, they have passed the level at which their parents can control them and they are being put back in the house and 'grounded' as if the parents can handle them, which they cannot. All you've done is endanger the parents by keeping a locked animal in the same cage. I'm with you Jester. My parents never even raised their voices to us but mainly because they didn't have to. We just knew that if we behaved badly while out, it brought shame on our parents and that was enough because we respected our parents. These yobs of today have no respect for anything or anybody including our police.
There are enough services in this country that if a parent admits they can not control their teen, help is out there. Some don't want that help because the parents themselves believe they are above the law.
I'd like to see a system where the parents are dragged before the courts and fined heavilly. If they are on benifit, then tough, they have to go with out their booze and ciggs for a few months. All the time they claim child benifit from the government then they should be responsible for it's behaviour. Failing that, take them into care away from the parents.
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Jester;1143788 wrote: Kaz I think your right- the secret isnt just the spanking, its the training and proper discipline that goes with it, one without the other is fruitless.
But we're not talking about a spanking from a parent at this point, we're talking about the government stepping in and doing what the parents have failed to do with some kids, the ones who become junior criminals on thier way to becoming murderers and drug dealers or worse disgruntaled citizens who become terrorists for any faction that gives them some similance of care.
The method of canning employed by Singapore is at a level that is out of the parents hands. Its a legal punishment for a crime.
These thug kids in the UK and other places are breaking social behaviors that are criminal, they have passed the level at which their parents can control them and they are being put back in the house and 'grounded' as if the parents can handle them, which they cannot. All you've done is endanger the parents by keeping a locked animal in the same cage.
Yes thats it .. a lot of parents cant be bothered to follow through and dont like grounding cos they dont want them under their feet:rolleyes: but something should definately be done about it, at the moment there are none or very little consequences to their actions and i dont understand how our government just cannot see that. The thing is we have so many human rights laws now nothing can be done to them so not only do we need to change the way we deal with these thugs, but also a lot of other laws needs to be changed, and not just for YOUNG thugs either.
I dont think Britain will ever bring back corporal punishment, but they certainly need to get tougher thats for sure!
But we're not talking about a spanking from a parent at this point, we're talking about the government stepping in and doing what the parents have failed to do with some kids, the ones who become junior criminals on thier way to becoming murderers and drug dealers or worse disgruntaled citizens who become terrorists for any faction that gives them some similance of care.
The method of canning employed by Singapore is at a level that is out of the parents hands. Its a legal punishment for a crime.
These thug kids in the UK and other places are breaking social behaviors that are criminal, they have passed the level at which their parents can control them and they are being put back in the house and 'grounded' as if the parents can handle them, which they cannot. All you've done is endanger the parents by keeping a locked animal in the same cage.
Yes thats it .. a lot of parents cant be bothered to follow through and dont like grounding cos they dont want them under their feet:rolleyes: but something should definately be done about it, at the moment there are none or very little consequences to their actions and i dont understand how our government just cannot see that. The thing is we have so many human rights laws now nothing can be done to them so not only do we need to change the way we deal with these thugs, but also a lot of other laws needs to be changed, and not just for YOUNG thugs either.
I dont think Britain will ever bring back corporal punishment, but they certainly need to get tougher thats for sure!
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kazalala;1143884 wrote: Yes thats it .. a lot of parents cant be bothered to follow through and dont like grounding cos they dont want them under their feet:rolleyes: but something should definately be done about it, at the moment there are none or very little consequences to their actions and i dont understand how our government just cannot see that. The thing is we have so many human rights laws now nothing can be done to them so not only do we need to change the way we deal with these thugs, but also a lot of other laws needs to be changed, and not just for YOUNG thugs either.
I dont think Britain will ever bring back corporal punishment, but they certainly need to get tougher thats for sure! Due to my own experience, and that of others who have contacted me since, we are so sick of this, we are lobbying MP's. All of the measures brought in by government do not work.
CSO's....... wate of space and tax payers money. Kids laugh at them as they have no power of arrest. I actually witnessed a kid spit on one and she did nothing.
Good behaviour contracts...... my own research shows that depending on area, 70% on these re-offend immediately.
ASBO's..... now a badge of honour.
Parenting Orders..... Useless if the parent doesn't give a shyte where their vile spawn is in the first place.
Dispersal orders...... useless..... a police station has to log ex amount of calls before they are granted an order. If residents fear reprisals, the police don't get the calls to warrant one.
Most violent acts carried out by yobs are not first offences. Most have been cautioned by police for assault prior.
Most violent assaults are carried out while the yob is on bail.
Invest into old school borstals and get them off the streets away from decent people and away from their parents.
I dont think Britain will ever bring back corporal punishment, but they certainly need to get tougher thats for sure! Due to my own experience, and that of others who have contacted me since, we are so sick of this, we are lobbying MP's. All of the measures brought in by government do not work.
CSO's....... wate of space and tax payers money. Kids laugh at them as they have no power of arrest. I actually witnessed a kid spit on one and she did nothing.
Good behaviour contracts...... my own research shows that depending on area, 70% on these re-offend immediately.
ASBO's..... now a badge of honour.
Parenting Orders..... Useless if the parent doesn't give a shyte where their vile spawn is in the first place.
Dispersal orders...... useless..... a police station has to log ex amount of calls before they are granted an order. If residents fear reprisals, the police don't get the calls to warrant one.
Most violent acts carried out by yobs are not first offences. Most have been cautioned by police for assault prior.
Most violent assaults are carried out while the yob is on bail.
Invest into old school borstals and get them off the streets away from decent people and away from their parents.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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oscar;1143902 wrote: Due to my own experience, and that of others who have contacted me since, we are so sick of this, we are lobbying MP's. All of the measures brought in by government do not work.
CSO's....... wate of space and tax payers money. Kids laugh at them as they have no power of arrest. I actually witnessed a kid spit on one and she did nothing.
Good behaviour contracts...... my own research shows that depending on area, 70% on these re-offend immediately.
ASBO's..... now a badge of honour.
Parenting Orders..... Useless if the parent doesn't give a shyte where their vile spawn is in the first place.
Dispersal orders...... useless..... a police station has to log ex amount of calls before they are granted an order. If residents fear reprisals, the police don't get the calls to warrant one.
Most violent acts carried out by yobs are not first offences. Most have been cautioned by police for assault prior.
Most violent assaults are carried out while the yob is on bail.
Invest into old school borstals and get them off the streets away from decent people and away from their parents.
I honestly cant say what i think will actually work,, although we did ,, and still do i think have borstal type institutions before:-3
My husband was attacked a couple of years ago on new years day,, the lads in question didnt want to pay their fare, but also quite fancied having my husbands car,,ok the fare he could put up with doing without,,, the car no,, its our livelyhood, he wouldnt give up his keys and ended up in the middle of the street going toe to toe with these young lads. Luckily another taxi came along and again luckily he wasnt the type to ignore,, he stoppped his car and got out to help... the attackers ran away. My husband got on the phone to the police while the other taxi driver followed the boys back to a house where they entered. the police had their names,, it would have also been on record at the taxi office as they booked the car,, they went to the house they were followed to arrested them ,,, but guess what,,, they got away with it because my husband and the other driver couldnt pick out their photo from a set that all looked practically the same. :rolleyes:One of them had just got out of jail and had an asbo prohibiting him from being on the estate he was. didnt matter.
CSO's....... wate of space and tax payers money. Kids laugh at them as they have no power of arrest. I actually witnessed a kid spit on one and she did nothing.
Good behaviour contracts...... my own research shows that depending on area, 70% on these re-offend immediately.
ASBO's..... now a badge of honour.
Parenting Orders..... Useless if the parent doesn't give a shyte where their vile spawn is in the first place.
Dispersal orders...... useless..... a police station has to log ex amount of calls before they are granted an order. If residents fear reprisals, the police don't get the calls to warrant one.
Most violent acts carried out by yobs are not first offences. Most have been cautioned by police for assault prior.
Most violent assaults are carried out while the yob is on bail.
Invest into old school borstals and get them off the streets away from decent people and away from their parents.
I honestly cant say what i think will actually work,, although we did ,, and still do i think have borstal type institutions before:-3
My husband was attacked a couple of years ago on new years day,, the lads in question didnt want to pay their fare, but also quite fancied having my husbands car,,ok the fare he could put up with doing without,,, the car no,, its our livelyhood, he wouldnt give up his keys and ended up in the middle of the street going toe to toe with these young lads. Luckily another taxi came along and again luckily he wasnt the type to ignore,, he stoppped his car and got out to help... the attackers ran away. My husband got on the phone to the police while the other taxi driver followed the boys back to a house where they entered. the police had their names,, it would have also been on record at the taxi office as they booked the car,, they went to the house they were followed to arrested them ,,, but guess what,,, they got away with it because my husband and the other driver couldnt pick out their photo from a set that all looked practically the same. :rolleyes:One of them had just got out of jail and had an asbo prohibiting him from being on the estate he was. didnt matter.
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kazalala;1143918 wrote: I honestly cant say what i think will actually work,, although we did ,, and still do i think have borstal type institutions before:-3
My husband was attacked a couple of years ago on new years day,, the lads in question didnt want to pay their fare, but also quite fancied having my husbands car,,ok the fare he could put up with doing without,,, the car no,, its our livelyhood, he wouldnt give up his keys and ended up in the middle of the street going toe to toe with these young lads. Luckily another taxi came along and again luckily he wasnt the type to ignore,, he stoppped his car and got out to help... the attackers ran away. My husband got on the phone to the police while the other taxi driver followed the boys back to a house where they entered. the police had their names,, it would have also been on record at the taxi office as they booked the car,, they went to the house they were followed to arrested them ,,, but guess what,,, they got away with it because my husband and the other driver couldnt pick out their photo from a set that all looked practically the same. :rolleyes:One of them had just got out of jail and had an asbo prohibiting him from being on the estate he was. didnt matter. Your experience leads me to my next theory. All kids push the boundaries, it's normal. As these feral kids are never accountable to any-one, if they get away with an incident as happened to your husband, then next time the boundaries are pushed further and some-one gets hurt.
There was a story in the Mail saturday written by the chap himself. To cut a long story short, a group of 13 yr olds were known to police as trouble makers. Due to this guy having to phone police, they attacked him one night. He was badly injured with a black eye, split lip etc but the part of the story that leapt out of the pages to me was when the officer was taking his statement, he said to the guy 'Of course, you do know they will accuse you of assaulting them don't you?. Guess what happened? He was taken to the police station and questioned under cautione etc. This is down to the law being as in my case, if 4 scroats make an allegation and provide similar police statements and you don't have a witness, as in this guy's case, you are arrested dispite the fact that you've been beaten up. That law has to change.
My husband was attacked a couple of years ago on new years day,, the lads in question didnt want to pay their fare, but also quite fancied having my husbands car,,ok the fare he could put up with doing without,,, the car no,, its our livelyhood, he wouldnt give up his keys and ended up in the middle of the street going toe to toe with these young lads. Luckily another taxi came along and again luckily he wasnt the type to ignore,, he stoppped his car and got out to help... the attackers ran away. My husband got on the phone to the police while the other taxi driver followed the boys back to a house where they entered. the police had their names,, it would have also been on record at the taxi office as they booked the car,, they went to the house they were followed to arrested them ,,, but guess what,,, they got away with it because my husband and the other driver couldnt pick out their photo from a set that all looked practically the same. :rolleyes:One of them had just got out of jail and had an asbo prohibiting him from being on the estate he was. didnt matter. Your experience leads me to my next theory. All kids push the boundaries, it's normal. As these feral kids are never accountable to any-one, if they get away with an incident as happened to your husband, then next time the boundaries are pushed further and some-one gets hurt.
There was a story in the Mail saturday written by the chap himself. To cut a long story short, a group of 13 yr olds were known to police as trouble makers. Due to this guy having to phone police, they attacked him one night. He was badly injured with a black eye, split lip etc but the part of the story that leapt out of the pages to me was when the officer was taking his statement, he said to the guy 'Of course, you do know they will accuse you of assaulting them don't you?. Guess what happened? He was taken to the police station and questioned under cautione etc. This is down to the law being as in my case, if 4 scroats make an allegation and provide similar police statements and you don't have a witness, as in this guy's case, you are arrested dispite the fact that you've been beaten up. That law has to change.
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Cameron wants to ground teenage thugs
oscar;1143943 wrote: Your experience leads me to my next theory. All kids push the boundaries, it's normal. As these feral kids are never accountable to any-one, if they get away with an incident as happened to your husband, then next time the boundaries are pushed further and some-one gets hurt.
There was a story in the Mail saturday written by the chap himself. To cut a long story short, a group of 13 yr olds were known to police as trouble makers. Due to this guy having to phone police, they attacked him one night. He was badly injured with a black eye, split lip etc but the part of the story that leapt out of the pages to me was when the officer was taking his statement, he said to the guy 'Of course, you do know they will accuse you of assaulting them don't you?. Guess what happened? He was taken to the police station and questioned under cautione etc. This is down to the law being as in my case, if 4 scroats make an allegation and provide similar police statements and you don't have a witness, as in this guy's case, you are arrested dispite the fact that you've been beaten up. That law has to change.
I tihnk there are probably a lot of laws need changing,, its most likely the best place to start.
There was a story in the Mail saturday written by the chap himself. To cut a long story short, a group of 13 yr olds were known to police as trouble makers. Due to this guy having to phone police, they attacked him one night. He was badly injured with a black eye, split lip etc but the part of the story that leapt out of the pages to me was when the officer was taking his statement, he said to the guy 'Of course, you do know they will accuse you of assaulting them don't you?. Guess what happened? He was taken to the police station and questioned under cautione etc. This is down to the law being as in my case, if 4 scroats make an allegation and provide similar police statements and you don't have a witness, as in this guy's case, you are arrested dispite the fact that you've been beaten up. That law has to change.
I tihnk there are probably a lot of laws need changing,, its most likely the best place to start.
FOC THREAD PART1
In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
Martin Luther King Jr.