Who the hell is Bianca Jagger?

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What kind of moron puts themselves in this sort of publicity nightmare voluntarily?

What a gormless bloody nonentity. Look how famous I am, I divorced a rock star.An Austrian man who found a platinum ring belonging to human-rights activist Bianca Jagger is suing her for not paying him a reward. Reinhard Ringler found the ring, worth 200,000 euros ($254,000; £175,000), in Salzburg last year. According to Austrian law, he is due 5% of the value - 10,000 euros.

Ms Jagger, who was once married to the Rolling Stone singer Mick Jagger, refuses to pay as she says Mr Ringler took too long to return the item. She claims he is not entitled to the reward as he took eight days to give it to the police.

BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Jagger ring wrangle goes to court

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AussiePam;1143622 wrote: I don't know, Spot. But I do know Australia paid presumably some inordinant amount to bring some female offspring of the English Queen out to the Ex colonies to make nice noises to the survivors of the recent awful bushfires. I can't remember who Princess Anne or Ann is and bear her absolutely no ill will, and recognise she was probably just following orders from her public relations and political masters and has no more idea possibly of where Australia is even than we Aussies have of who she is and maybe can even create a sentence which is more elegant than this one... but geeeeesch... and yes, Bianca Jagger - wasn't she connected with some bloke who the current First Lady of France was also um connected with???????


Have you been drinking Pam?

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"some female offspring of the English Queen"? She didn't come out to represent the English Queen, she came out to represent the Australian Head of State. The Australian Queen. I'd have been rather unhappy if she'd not done it, too.

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I always thought Bianca Jagger was a bit up herself to be honest.

A very spoiled, priviliged member of the Rock and Roll and Celebrity set, who in her youth lived a life of hedonism and making sure she got all the money she needed by aligning herself with rich men, and then in later life decided on a career in lecturing people about the terrible situation in the world and the immorality of the West in terms of the third world.

Quite.

Now don't get me wrong, she may have done some good in saving ordinary people's lives, and that's a good thing, and she deserves credit for that, but like Bono, and Geldof and all the rest, just lay off the flipping lectures guys and stick to playing your guitars and helping whoever it is you want to help.

I am really sick about being lectured to by a bunch of rich, hedonist, capitalist musicians, actors, and fashion models, about how unethical my own relatively materially poor life is, because of their outrage that I don't support their various and assorted fashionable causes.

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Galbally;1143628 wrote: I always thought Bianca Jagger was a bit up herself to be honest.

A very spoiled, priviliged member of the Rock and Roll and Celebrity set, who in her youth lived a life of hedonism and making sure she got all the money she needed by aligning herself with rich men, and then in later life decided on a career in lecturing people about the terrible situation in the world and the immorality of the West in terms of the third world.

Quite.

Now don't get me wrong, she may have done some good in saving ordinary people's lives, and that's a good thing, and she deserves credit for that, but like Bono, and Geldof and all the rest, just lay off the flipping lectures guys and stick to playing your guitars and helping whoever it is you want to help.

I am really sick about being lectured to by a bunch of rich, hedonist, capitalist musicians, actors, and fashion models, about how unethical my own relatively materially poor life is, because of their outrage that I don't support their various and assorted fashionable causes.


Exactly. I don't know why actors, muscians etc. think all of a sudden they have the answer to everything. All they usually have is the funds to make a bigger difference and the face recognition to, perhaps, nudge others into doing something. We all do what we can with what we have. These "stars" definitely don't have the edge on "smarts", except in their own minds....................

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Bianca sounds like the typical tightwad. The guy should have kept the ring.:wah:

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No dis-respect to any of the posters here but none of you seem to have any idea of what Bianca has done, does and the millions she has invested after the civel war to re-build Nicaragua. She is not just the ex of a rock star. She is an inspiration to the suffering and the dim-wit wags of our footballers could do well to take a leaf out of her book.

Bianca Jagger (born Bianca Pérez-Mora Macías on May 2, 1950) is a British-Nicaraguan social and human rights advocate, former actress, and fashion icon of the 1970s. Jagger is a Council of Europe Goodwill Ambassador, Chair of the World Future Council, Chair of the Bianca Jagger Human Rights Foundation, and a member of the Director's Leadership Council of Amnesty International US. Jagger is a naturalised British citizen. She was formerly married to Mick Jagger of The Rolling Stone.

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Galbally;1143628 wrote: .

Quite.

Now don't get me wrong, she may have done some good in saving ordinary people's lives, and that's a good thing, and she deserves credit for that, but like Bono, and Geldof and all the rest, just lay off the flipping lectures guys and stick to playing your guitars and helping whoever it is you want to help.

I am really sick about being lectured to by a bunch of rich, hedonist, capitalist musicians, actors, and fashion models, about how unethical my own relatively materially poor life is, because of their outrage that I don't support their various and assorted fashionable causes.


She never played a guitar anyway galbally. She does not have 'fashionable causes'. She was re-building Nicuagua before she even met Jagger. Are you now saying that if a women of great intelligence has a cause, she should give all that nonsense up just because she marries a rock star? You can not have any idea of her life before Jagger.

Bianca Jagger has remained in the public eye through modelling, acting and as a human-rights campaigner. She is a member of the Executive Director Leadership Council for Amnesty International (USA) and the Coalition for International Justice. Her campaigns include successfully stopping rainforest destruction in Nicaragua and Honduras, and the documentation of mass rapes of Serbian women in Yugoslavia. Most recently, she has been working for Christian Aid in Africa, tackling the Aids orphan crisis.

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AussiePam;1143622 wrote: I don't know, Spot. But I do know Australia paid presumably some inordinant amount to bring some female offspring of the English Queen out to the Ex colonies to make nice noises to the survivors of the recent awful bushfires. I can't remember who Princess Anne or Ann is and bear her absolutely no ill will, and recognise she was probably just following orders from her public relations and political masters and has no more idea possibly of where Australia is even than we Aussies have of who she is and maybe can even create a sentence which is more elegant than this one... but geeeeesch... and yes, Bianca Jagger - wasn't she connected with some bloke who the current First Lady of France was also um connected with??????? And who exactly did Australia sen to Britain to make nice noises to the London Tube Bomb victems?

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oscar;1143851 wrote: No dis-respect to any of the posters here but none of you seem to have any idea of what Bianca has done, does and the millions she has invested after the civel war to re-build Nicaragua. She is not just the ex of a rock star. She is an inspiration to the suffering and the dim-wit wags of our footballers could do well to take a leaf out of her book.That rather avoids my question though - what kind of moron puts themselves in this sort of publicity nightmare voluntarily?

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spot;1143879 wrote: That rather avoids my question though - what kind of moron puts themselves in this sort of publicity nightmare voluntarily? Your question was ambiguous. Do you mean she put herself in the publicity over the ring or through her work?

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oscar;1143887 wrote: Your question was ambiguous. Do you mean she put herself in the publicity over the ring or through her work?


Over the ring, for goodness sake. What other publicity nightmare is there?

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spot;1143892 wrote: Over the ring, for goodness sake. What other publicity nightmare is there? Right..... she could have made less fuss granted. The fact that most people have not heard of her is because she goes about her work in a quiet dignified manner without the glare of the press.

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oscar;1143906 wrote: Right..... she could have made less fuss granted. The fact that most people have not heard of her is because she goes about her work in a quiet dignified manner without the glare of the press.


In that case she's dropped the most awesomely pointless clanger of all time with this, hasn't she. She'd have done far better to have denied it was the same ring than to have been so ungracious.

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spot;1143912 wrote: In that case she's dropped the most awesomely pointless clanger of all time with this, hasn't she. She'd have done far better to have denied it was the same ring than to have been so ungracious. I'm not defending her for defence sake but what is she supposed to do? The guy had no qualms about keeping the ring when he thought it was worthless but as soon as he realised it was valuable, he's sticking his hand out for his reward. She offered a solution which included giving his daughter some money as he had given the ring to his daughter initially. Now he knows it's valuable, he wants the full amount and seems to have forgotton about the daughter. I don't care how much money the woman is worth, it is her property.

Just because a woman has a ring worth a lot of money, it does not mean they have enough funds to pay out a ridiculous reward. I'm sitting here now with two diamond rocks on my finger. Should i lose one, should it not be up to me to offer what i can afford to the finder and not have a demand simply on the notion that if my rings are worth money then so must i be. What a dumb law.

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oscar;1143855 wrote: She never played a guitar anyway galbally. She does not have 'fashionable causes'. She was re-building Nicuagua before she even met Jagger. Are you now saying that if a women of great intelligence has a cause, she should give all that nonsense up just because she marries a rock star? You can not have any idea of her life before Jagger.

Bianca Jagger has remained in the public eye through modelling, acting and as a human-rights campaigner. She is a member of the Executive Director Leadership Council for Amnesty International (USA) and the Coalition for International Justice. Her campaigns include successfully stopping rainforest destruction in Nicaragua and Honduras, and the documentation of mass rapes of Serbian women in Yugoslavia. Most recently, she has been working for Christian Aid in Africa, tackling the Aids orphan crisis.


Again, I am not really trying to denigrate Bianca Jagger, and I did say that if she has done these things to help people, then more power to her and all of that.

Its more the general pompous rock-star, movie star, celebrity thing when they get all serious and start banging on about their causes. I know, I shouldn't be so jaded and misanthropic, but its hard not to be sometimes with all of these shitehawks we have to put with nowadays. Seriously.

Now, like John Lennon said I suppose its better to use your celebrity for something positive rather than negative, but again, its just gets to be a pain in the arse listening to mostly superficial not particularly bright (but famous) people (with a platform) banging on all the time, about this that or the other.

Like you say, she has done a lot of good and thats to be apaulded, and its the same with a lot of other "stars" etc, I am just bored and tired of the whole culture of celebrity at the minute really, I think thats my real rant.

Seriously though, just hand the guy over the money, he did find the ring, and its the law, and she can well afford it, get over it Bianca.

Anyway, your just backing her up cause your a Stones fan, admit it! :wah:

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oscar;1143930 wrote: I'm not defending her for defence sake but what is she supposed to do? The guy had no qualms about keeping the ring when he thought it was worthless but as soon as he realised it was valuable, he's sticking his hand out for his reward. She offered a solution which included giving his daughter some money as he had given the ring to his daughter initially. Now he knows it's valuable, he wants the full amount and seems to have forgotton about the daughter. I don't care how much money the woman is worth, it is her property.

Just because a woman has a ring worth a lot of money, it does not mean they have enough funds to pay out a ridiculous reward. I'm sitting here now with two diamond rocks on my finger. Should i lose one, should it not be up to me to offer what i can afford to the finder and not have a demand simply on the notion that if my rings are worth money then so must i be. What a dumb law.


Perhaps you missed the bit about "According to Austrian law, he is due 5% of the value"? I'm sure handing it in once its value became apparent is an action we'd all take but to try to weasel out of a personal and lawful obligation in such a circumstance is something you'd expect from a low-life chiseller, not a gracious humanitarian. I take it to be a demonstration of how divorced from reality stuck-up rich gits like her can get.

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spot;1143944 wrote: Perhaps you missed the bit about "According to Austrian law, he is due 5% of the value"? I'm sure handing it in once its value became apparent is an action we'd all take but to try to weasel out of a personal and lawful obligation in such a circumstance is something you'd expect from a low-life chiseller, not a gracious humanitarian. I take it to be a demonstration of how divorced from reality stuck-up rich gits like her can get. Ok then Spot....... let me put it another way. You inherit a ring from your dearly loved grand-mother that over time has become extremely valuable. You don't sell the ring because it was your grandmothers and it has great sentimental value. Your just an ordinary person living on benifit in a council house with no savings. You lose it only to find some absurd law says you must pay 10% of it's value which could be a few grand. Where do you get this money from?

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Galbally;1143940 wrote: Again, I am not really trying to denigrate Bianca Jagger, and I did say that if she has done these things to help people, then more power to her and all of that.

Its more the general pompous rock-star, movie star, celebrity thing when they get all serious and start banging on about their causes. I know, I shouldn't be so jaded and misanthropic, but its hard not to be sometimes with all of these shitehawks we have to put with nowadays. Seriously.

Now, like John Lennon said I suppose its better to use your celebrity for something positive rather than negative, but again, its just gets to be a pain in the arse listening to mostly superficial not particularly bright (but famous) people (with a platform) banging on all the time, about this that or the other.

Like you say, she has done a lot of good and thats to be apaulded, and its the same with a lot of other "stars" etc, I am just bored and tired of the whole culture of celebrity at the minute really, I think thats my real rant.

Seriously though, just hand the guy over the money, he did find the ring, and its the law, and she can well afford it, get over it Bianca.

Anyway, your just backing her up cause your a Stones fan, admit it! :wah: A lot of our rock stars get on the mission after they become famous. Bianca did not do that. She was recognised in her own right before she met Jaggs. She has a right to carry on her work.

It has nothing to do with being a Stones Fan.

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oscar;1143952 wrote: Ok then Spot....... let me put it another way. You inherit a ring from your dearly loved grand-mother that over time has become extremely valuable. You don't sell the ring because it was your grandmothers and it has great sentimental value. Your just an ordinary person living on benifit in a council house with no savings. You lose it only to find some absurd law says you must pay 10% of it's value which could be a few grand. Where do you get this money from?


10%? Where did 10% come from all of a sudden?

I don't know any other country that has a minimum finder's reward legislated, perhaps the Austrians finally rebelled against cheapskates showing no appreciation.

For every thousand pounds this ring you're inventing is valued at, the Austrian law provides for a finder's fee of £50. I honestly don't see that as an unreasonable thank-you whether it's a legal requirement or it's a spontaneous reaction. Your what-if benefit claimant's granny's ring is worth in excess of sixty thousand pounds? have a look at Diamond Rings, Engagement & Eternity Rings, Wedding Bands, Diamond Earrings, Pendants - - the most expensive ring I can get it to quote me for is £14,000. I don't think I've seen one worth more than that outside the Tower of London.

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oscar;1143954 wrote: A lot of our rock stars get on the mission after they become famous. Bianca did not do that. She was recognised in her own right before she met Jaggs. She has a right to carry on her work.Where on earth do you dream all this up from? She was 21, and 4 months pregnant, when she married Mick Jagger. How many famous political activists can you think of who were "recognised in her own right" at 21 (besides Swampy)? She got "political" eight years later, the year she divorced, when it suited her to build an independent reputation. There are street-cleaners in Calcutta who've contributed more to the world through a sense of altruism than that woman.

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spot;1144007 wrote: Where on earth do you dream all this up from? She was 21, and 4 months pregnant, when she married Mick Jagger. How many famous political activists can you think of who were "recognised in her own right" at 21 (besides Swampy)? She got "political" eight years later, the year she divorced, when it suited her to build an independent reputation. There are street-cleaners in Calcutta who've contributed more to the world through a sense of altruism than that woman. Firstly.....begging of your pardons.... it was 5%

Why are you so critical of her? She doesn't flaunt her work and do publicity stunts to raise her profile as Bono or that idiot McCartney does. She just gets on with it.

I don't know for sure but i bet she is not the one who has taken this to court but the greedy idiot who was quite happy to give the ring to his daughter until he found out it was of value.

I am not going to post Bianca Jaggers full history. It's pointless, you appear to have made up your mind about the woman.

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oscar;1144046 wrote: I am not going to post Bianca Jaggers full history. It's pointless, you appear to have made up your mind about the woman.
You don't need to and I'd scarcely heard of her, I have no position. I reacted to the news report, not the woman.

What would be nice is if you actually addressed my points. She was 21, and 4 months pregnant, when she married Mick Jagger? True or not? Does that leave room for her having an independent reputation as an activist beforehand?

She got "political" eight years later, the year she divorced. True or not? It's what I see when I look at her timeline.

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spot;1144068 wrote: You don't need to and I'd scarcely heard of her, I have no position. I reacted to the news report, not the woman.

What would be nice is if you actually addressed my points. She was 21, and 4 months pregnant, when she married Mick Jagger? True or not? Does that leave room for her having an independent reputation as an activist beforehand?

She got "political" eight years later, the year she divorced. True or not? It's what I see when I look at her timeline.


Jagger's father was a businessman and her mother a housewife. They divorced when Jagger was ten and she stayed with her mother, who had to take care of four children on a small income. When Jagger was studying political science at the Paris Institute of Political Studies, she demonstrated against the Somoza regime after the massacre of students perpetrated by Somoza's National Guard. In Paris, she also became acquainted with French literature, among which especially Voltaire, Rousseau and Camus influenced her. She has also been fascinated by Gandhi's non-violent success and the eastern philosophy at large. She traveled extensively in India. She received a scholarship to study in France and became involved with actor Michael Caine. In addition to her extensive charitable works, in the 1970s and early 1980s, Jagger had a public reputation as a jet-setter and party-goer, being closely associated in the public mind with New York City's nightclub Studio 54. She has had relationships with two US Democratic politicians, Robert Torricelli and Christopher Dodd

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Awards

For her work, Jagger has earned several awards, including:

1983 Honorary Doctorate of Humanities degree from Stone Hill College in Massachusetts

1994 United Nations Earth Day award

1996 Hispanic Federation of New York City’s Humanitarian Award

1996 Woman of the Year Title from the Boys Town of Italy

1996 Abolitionist of the Year Award from the National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty

1997 Green Globe award from the Rain Forest Alliance

1997 Amnesty International USA Media Spotlight Award for Leadership

1997 Inducted to the Hall of Fame in Miami Children’s Hospital Foundation

1998 American Civil Liberties Union Award

2000 Champion of Justice Award

2003 International Award from International Services

2004 World Achievement Award from Mikhail Gorbachev

2004 Right Livelihood Award

2006 World Citizenship Award from The Nuclear Age Peace Foundation

2006 Office of the Americas Peace and Justice Award

2008 Honorary Doctorate of Human Rights degree from Simmons College in Massachusetts



Films And TV

Bianca also appeared in several movies and tv shows

********** Blues (1972)

Flesh Colour (1978)

The Rutles: All You Need Is Cash (1978, as Martini)

The American Success Company (1979; as Corrine)

The Cannonball Run (1981, as sheik's sister)

In Our Hands (1984)

Miami Vice (1985) TV episode Free Verse

Street Hawk (1985) TV episode The Unthinkable

Hotel (1986) TV episode Separation

The Colbys (1987) TV episode Betrayal

Success (1989)

C.H.U.D. 2 (1989)

The Party's Over (2003, a documentary movie on American politics)

Done quite a bit aint she:sneaky:

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Chezzie;1144089 wrote: also:sneaky:



Awards

For her work, Jagger has earned several awards, including:

1983 Honorary Doctorate of Humanities degree from Stone Hill College in Massachusetts

1994 United Nations Earth Day award

1996 Hispanic Federation of New York City’s Humanitarian Award

1996 Woman of the Year Title from the Boys Town of Italy

1996 Abolitionist of the Year Award from the National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty

1997 Green Globe award from the Rain Forest Alliance

1997 Amnesty International USA Media Spotlight Award for Leadership

1997 Inducted to the Hall of Fame in Miami Children’s Hospital Foundation

1998 American Civil Liberties Union Award

2000 Champion of Justice Award

2003 International Award from International Services

2004 World Achievement Award from Mikhail Gorbachev

2004 Right Livelihood Award

2006 World Citizenship Award from The Nuclear Age Peace Foundation

2006 Office of the Americas Peace and Justice Award

2008 Honorary Doctorate of Human Rights degree from Simmons College in Massachusetts



Films And TV

Bianca also appeared in several movies and tv shows

********** Blues (1972)

Flesh Colour (1978)

The Rutles: All You Need Is Cash (1978, as Martini)

The American Success Company (1979; as Corrine)

The Cannonball Run (1981, as sheik's sister)

In Our Hands (1984)

Miami Vice (1985) TV episode Free Verse

Street Hawk (1985) TV episode The Unthinkable

Hotel (1986) TV episode Separation

The Colbys (1987) TV episode Betrayal

Success (1989)

C.H.U.D. 2 (1989)

The Party's Over (2003, a documentary movie on American politics)

Done quite a bit aint she:sneaky:


Well done Chezz..... all i need add to that is that she was very political long before she ever met Jagger. Maybe not here or the States but if anything her marraige to Jaggs could have labelled her inaccurately. She would have been far more successfull in her own right i feel had she not of been labeled as the Rocks star's wife by the few who knew nothing of her career before she married him.

A nonentity Spot????????????? I don't think so :wah:

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oscar;1144100 wrote: Well done Chezz..... all i need add to that is that she was very political long before she ever met Jagger. Maybe not here or the States but if anything her marraige to Jaggs could have labelled her inaccurately. She would have been far more successfull in her own right i feel had she not of been labeled as the Rocks star's wife by the few who knew nothing of her career before she married him.

A nonentity Spot????????????? I don't think so :wah:


And the first of those awards was in 1983? That agrees with what I wrote.

"When Jagger was studying political science at the Paris Institute of Political Studies, she demonstrated against the Somoza regime after the massacre of students perpetrated by Somoza's National Guard"? What student back around 1971 didn't? I was out carrying banners against the imperialist rape of Vietnam before then. What you're claiming is that the woman was famous for it - at 21? Get a grip, find some perspective. The only reason you've ever heard of her is that she married Mick Jagger and you know it.

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oscar;1143954 wrote: A lot of our rock stars get on the mission after they become famous. Bianca did not do that. She was recognised in her own right before she met Jaggs. She has a right to carry on her work.

It has nothing to do with being a Stones Fan.


Fair enough, I will go with your take on this one then.

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oscar;1143930 wrote: I'm sitting here now with two diamond rocks on my finger. Should i lose one, should it not be up to me to offer what i can afford to the finder and not have a demand simply on the notion that if my rings are worth money then so must i be. What a dumb law.


No. Emphatically unequivocally not.

Pay the man and pay him well.

Pay until your eyes bleed.

[Galbally]

Ok, here is my new position.

Bianca Jagger is a lovely woman.

But she should pay the man his money.

That way, everyone's a winner!

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Nomad;1144173 wrote: No. Emphatically unequivocally not.

Pay the man and pay him well.

Pay until your eyes bleed. What if i were to offer him double to what he's claiming?:wah:

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Sorry Oscar but yes she should pay the man.

On holiday year before last in York, we stayed in a cottage and my girls found a large gold ear-ring. The cottage owners only lived next door so I told the girls to go and hand it in to her. Ended up being her ear ring. Was megga expensive and she had lost it gardening months before, she had put an insurance claim in but the insurance people wanted a valuation off a jeweller and she was going to sort it that very afternoon so they had saved her loads of hassle and the ear ring had alot of sentimental value. My girls got £10 each. She was so grateful.

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Chezzie;1144202 wrote: Sorry Oscar but yes she should pay the man.

On holiday year before last in York, we stayed in a cottage and my girls found a large gold ear-ring. The cottage owners only lived next door so I told the girls to go and hand it in to her. Ended up being her ear ring. Was megga expensive and she had lost it gardening months before, she had put an insurance claim in but the insurance people wanted a valuation off a jeweller and she was going to sort it that very afternoon so they had saved her loads of hassle and the ear ring had alot of sentimental value. My girls got £10 each. She was so grateful. I'm not saying she should not pay him. I'm doubting if he would have gone to court if she had been Joe Bloggs on benifit. He also gave away the ring to his daughter when he thought it was worthless. She has offered the daughter money for the ring but he is the one wanting to now go to court for the full amount. It smacks of hypocricy to me.

You just reminded me of an event when one of our cats went missing some years ago. I put a photo of him in all the local shops with £50 reward on it. The cat found his way home himself after 5 weeks although we never knew where he went. I took all the ads out the shops but forgot one. A week after he came home, i let him out only to have a small boy on my doorstep clutching the cat. I just didn't have the heart and had to give him the money :wah:

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Oh, that is funny Oscar.

She is a cheapskate not to pay the man a reward. She can always hock the ring to get the loot if she doesn't have it....................:wah:

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Let's give a face to the leading lady of this thread.

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along-for-the-ride;1144370 wrote: Let's give a face to the leading lady of this thread. Yeah get down :guitarist:guitarist:guitarist:guitarist:guitarist Alright