We now have a situation in this country where yobs know that not only can they get members of the public arrested but also the police.
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And what on earth persuades you the officer's statement was true? It certainly wasn't tested by the court, after all. I'd sooner believe the guy who had his head smashed into the counter if I were asked.
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spot;1144685 wrote: And what on earth persuades you the officer's statement was true? It certainly wasn't tested by the court, after all. I'd sooner believe the guy who had his head smashed into the counter if I were asked. To be honest, my opinion is different on this one. He 'thought' the yob was going to head-butt him. I see he was investigated before as well. It's ironic that plod will arrest a member of the public to notch up his targets but now it's happening to them, there will probably be up-roar down the plod department.
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Pearson did not make a formal complaint but Staffordshire Police launched an investigation following an anonymous tip-off. Details were passed on to the Crown Prosecution Service which decided to prosecute Sergeant Woodward.
From this, it seems the incident wasn't reported initially. His own force acted on an anonymous tip-off. I wonder if the incident was reported then as it should have been.
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OpenMind;1144787 wrote: From this, it seems the incident wasn't reported initially. His own force acted on an anonymous tip-off. I wonder if the incident was reported then as it should have been. Shame the guy was on the run..... I'd like to have heard the details of the trial.
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spot;1144685 wrote: And what on earth persuades you the officer's statement was true? It certainly wasn't tested by the court, after all. I'd sooner believe the guy who had his head smashed into the counter if I were asked.
I know two policemen who were invalided out of the police. One was clubbed across his spine and narrowly escaped being paralysed but now cannot do any kind of physical work. the other had both knee caps smashed with a baseball bat and spent three days in a coma after the swing to the head knocked him out to take his mind off what was happening. Perhaps his colleagues were tempted to smash a few heads of the counter with the culprit. No doubt you feel he must have provoked the attacker to such extremes of violence by trying to arrest him.
As a member of the public if you see a fight you can walk the other way-we expect policemen to weigh in and sort things out. I suspect you would be one of the first to criticise if they do nothing. There are undoubtedly some dodgy and incompetent policemen out there and a few outright thugs but on the whole they do a difficult job and get little help from the general public or at times the prosecution service and a judiciary that seems divorced from reality. At least you don't go out to work of an evening down the pub knowing there is a good chance someone will try and kick your head in.
I know two policemen who were invalided out of the police. One was clubbed across his spine and narrowly escaped being paralysed but now cannot do any kind of physical work. the other had both knee caps smashed with a baseball bat and spent three days in a coma after the swing to the head knocked him out to take his mind off what was happening. Perhaps his colleagues were tempted to smash a few heads of the counter with the culprit. No doubt you feel he must have provoked the attacker to such extremes of violence by trying to arrest him.
As a member of the public if you see a fight you can walk the other way-we expect policemen to weigh in and sort things out. I suspect you would be one of the first to criticise if they do nothing. There are undoubtedly some dodgy and incompetent policemen out there and a few outright thugs but on the whole they do a difficult job and get little help from the general public or at times the prosecution service and a judiciary that seems divorced from reality. At least you don't go out to work of an evening down the pub knowing there is a good chance someone will try and kick your head in.
Policeman hauled before court for defending himself against yob
I'd give a damn if they weren't all self-selected bastards. No sane society would tolerate such an organization. Most crime is a simple reaction to their existence, shut them down and crime would immediately diminish. And I'm invited to help pay their salaries? No thank you!
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
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spot;1145120 wrote: I'd give a damn if they weren't all self-selected bastards. No sane society would tolerate such an organization. Most crime is a simple reaction to their existence, shut them down and crime would immediately diminish. And I'm invited to help pay their salaries? No thank you!
Spot, do I understand that you think that if the police did not exist, then crime would diminish ????????? Or have I got that wrong ? If I read it right, then would burglaries and robberies and muggings diminish ? (As, according to records, most of these sort of crimes are committed to fund drug habits - and no I aint offering proof of that statement, cos it's been in all the papers for all to see !) .
That statement is outrageously uninformed, how on earth you reach that conclusion
I haven't the faintest clue !
Spot, if we had no police force, there would be total anarchy and lawlessness, and you blinkin well know it !
Spot, do I understand that you think that if the police did not exist, then crime would diminish ????????? Or have I got that wrong ? If I read it right, then would burglaries and robberies and muggings diminish ? (As, according to records, most of these sort of crimes are committed to fund drug habits - and no I aint offering proof of that statement, cos it's been in all the papers for all to see !) .
That statement is outrageously uninformed, how on earth you reach that conclusion
I haven't the faintest clue !
Spot, if we had no police force, there would be total anarchy and lawlessness, and you blinkin well know it !
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G#Gill;1145135 wrote: Spot, do I understand that you think that if the police did not exist, then crime would diminish ????????? Or have I got that wrong ? If I read it right, then would burglaries and robberies and muggings diminish ? (As, according to records, most of these sort of crimes are committed to fund drug habits - and no I aint offering proof of that statement, cos it's been in all the papers for all to see !) .
That statement is outrageously uninformed, how on earth you reach that conclusion
I haven't the faintest clue !
Spot, if we had no police force, there would be total anarchy and lawlessness, and you blinkin well know it !
The difference is that I think about it and reach a conclusion and you don't think about it and you reach the opposite one. Which is natural enough, if you think about it.
That statement is outrageously uninformed, how on earth you reach that conclusion
I haven't the faintest clue !
Spot, if we had no police force, there would be total anarchy and lawlessness, and you blinkin well know it !
The difference is that I think about it and reach a conclusion and you don't think about it and you reach the opposite one. Which is natural enough, if you think about it.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Policeman hauled before court for defending himself against yob
spot;1145120 wrote: I'd give a damn if they weren't all self-selected bastards. No sane society would tolerate such an organization. Most crime is a simple reaction to their existence, shut them down and crime would immediately diminish. And I'm invited to help pay their salaries? No thank you!
What utter bollocks.
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The difference is that I think about it and reach a conclusion and you don't think about it and you reach the opposite one. Which is natural enough, if you think about it.
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe you think about and reach a conclusion based on a false premise?
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[QUOTE]Spot, if we had no police force, there would be total anarchy and lawlessness, and you blinkin well know it !
Actually there wouldn't. The strong would emerge and exert their control over those too weak to resist until they band together to overthrow the tyrant and start working on a system of laws to control the power of government and curb the activities of the criminal underclass and with some kind of police force to uphold the law. When you need to enforce the law you have a police state when you uphold it it is a democracy and the forces of law and order have general support.
Unless of course you are an anarchist and suffer from the delusion that all would be well in the best of all possible worlds in a huggy kissy type utopia.
What utter bollocks.
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The difference is that I think about it and reach a conclusion and you don't think about it and you reach the opposite one. Which is natural enough, if you think about it.
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe you think about and reach a conclusion based on a false premise?
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[QUOTE]Spot, if we had no police force, there would be total anarchy and lawlessness, and you blinkin well know it !
Actually there wouldn't. The strong would emerge and exert their control over those too weak to resist until they band together to overthrow the tyrant and start working on a system of laws to control the power of government and curb the activities of the criminal underclass and with some kind of police force to uphold the law. When you need to enforce the law you have a police state when you uphold it it is a democracy and the forces of law and order have general support.
Unless of course you are an anarchist and suffer from the delusion that all would be well in the best of all possible worlds in a huggy kissy type utopia.
Policeman hauled before court for defending himself against yob
gmc;1145169 wrote: Unless of course you are an anarchist and suffer from the delusion that all would be well in the best of all possible worlds in a huggy kissy type utopia.
That, while poorly worded, encapsulates my position.
That, while poorly worded, encapsulates my position.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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gmc;1145104 wrote: I know two policemen who were invalided out of the police. One was clubbed across his spine and narrowly escaped being paralysed but now cannot do any kind of physical work. the other had both knee caps smashed with a baseball bat and spent three days in a coma after the swing to the head knocked him out to take his mind off what was happening. Perhaps his colleagues were tempted to smash a few heads of the counter with the culprit. No doubt you feel he must have provoked the attacker to such extremes of violence by trying to arrest him.
As a member of the public if you see a fight you can walk the other way-we expect policemen to weigh in and sort things out. I suspect you would be one of the first to criticise if they do nothing. There are undoubtedly some dodgy and incompetent policemen out there and a few outright thugs but on the whole they do a difficult job and get little help from the general public or at times the prosecution service and a judiciary that seems divorced from reality. At least you don't go out to work of an evening down the pub knowing there is a good chance someone will try and kick your head in.
I must stop agreeing with you gmc....... people are talking :wah:
If you remember, some weeks back we were talking about the pitch battles between rival football fans and i said then that i've witnessed some awful one's. That's one example of how they don't have a choice but to wade in.
However, with this officer, he was in the nick when it happened. Going from my time in the nick, there is enough of them on duty confined to the station to over-power a potenial violent criminal and why was it left just to him to subdue the offender? Sounds iffy to me and the fact that he's been investigated before.
As with any proffession, you get good and you get the idiots. My experience has left me with the knowledge that they are all idiots but that does not mean we can have a country with no police.
As a member of the public if you see a fight you can walk the other way-we expect policemen to weigh in and sort things out. I suspect you would be one of the first to criticise if they do nothing. There are undoubtedly some dodgy and incompetent policemen out there and a few outright thugs but on the whole they do a difficult job and get little help from the general public or at times the prosecution service and a judiciary that seems divorced from reality. At least you don't go out to work of an evening down the pub knowing there is a good chance someone will try and kick your head in.
I must stop agreeing with you gmc....... people are talking :wah:
If you remember, some weeks back we were talking about the pitch battles between rival football fans and i said then that i've witnessed some awful one's. That's one example of how they don't have a choice but to wade in.
However, with this officer, he was in the nick when it happened. Going from my time in the nick, there is enough of them on duty confined to the station to over-power a potenial violent criminal and why was it left just to him to subdue the offender? Sounds iffy to me and the fact that he's been investigated before.
As with any proffession, you get good and you get the idiots. My experience has left me with the knowledge that they are all idiots but that does not mean we can have a country with no police.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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spot;1145200 wrote: That, while poorly worded, encapsulates my position.
Be careful the communists don't come and get you.
Be careful the communists don't come and get you.
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gmc;1145591 wrote: Be careful the communists don't come and get you.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl There are times gmc when i could actually come to feel some affection for you :wah:
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oscar;1145761 wrote: :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl There are times gmc when i could actually come to feel some affection for you :wah:
Could this be bigamy or bigotry?
:yh_rotfl
Could this be bigamy or bigotry?
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OpenMind;1145900 wrote: Could this be bigamy or bigotry?:yh_rotfl Buttercup has already accussed us of using FG for fore-play :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
:yh_rotfl Buttercup has already accussed us of using FG for fore-play :yh_rotfl:yh_rotflAt the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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OpenMind;1145900 wrote: Could this be bigamy or bigotry?:yh_rotfl
I don't know but I'm glad we are at opposite ends of the country.
:yh_rotflI don't know but I'm glad we are at opposite ends of the country.
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gmc;1148264 wrote: I don't know but I'm glad we are at opposite ends of the country.
The further apart, the more urgent the ardour.:sneaky:
The further apart, the more urgent the ardour.:sneaky:
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OpenMind;1148349 wrote: The further apart, the more urgent the ardour.:sneaky:
Your attempts to cheer me up are failing dismally.
Your attempts to cheer me up are failing dismally.
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gmc;1148359 wrote: Your attempts to cheer me up are failing dismally.
There's just no cheering some folk.:rolleyes::wah:
There's just no cheering some folk.:rolleyes::wah:
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gmc;1148359 wrote: Your attempts to cheer me up are failing dismally. I'm coming ot Fifi Land soon so get ready :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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gmc;1148264 wrote: I don't know but I'm glad we are at opposite ends of the country. You know you love me really :yh_rotfl
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