Russia again!

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:46 pm

spot;1147911 wrote: You're the one who says they should ask permission. Permission to do what?

-your really getting off on all of these things that have been repeated so many times now aren't you?

how very sad.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:04 pm

Odie;1147973 wrote: -your really getting off on all of these things that have been repeated so many times now aren't you?

how very sad.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

I stand by my last post on here.

I don't like vindictiveness either.

Post by **spot** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:17 pm

Odie;1147973 wrote: -your really getting off on all of these things that have been repeated so many times now aren't you?

how very sad.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Simply because you have no answer, any answer would show how untenable your position is. So you keep avoiding giving an answer. So I keep asking for one to show how untenable your position is. You might think it's rubbing it in, I think it's inviting you to destroy my argument in a single sentence. You'd think you'd jump at the chance if it were possible, wouldn't you.

Post by **spot** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:42 pm

More fool the Canadians for allowing themselves to be provoked, eh? The Russians wouldn't do it if they didn't learn anything in the process. Lighting up the radar stations and timing the scrambles and intercepts regularly is all intelligence freely handed to them. Of course they're not going to enter Canadian airspace, whether an armed plane escorts them off the line or not. The diplomatic outrage of a Russian bomber downed on Canadian soil by a surface to air missile isn't acceptable to either side. Don't you remember the humble pie George Bush had to force down his throat to get his spyplane crew back from China?

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:43 pm

Jester;1148019 wrote: Its to do with proximity, the russian bomber had come provocatively close to canadian airspace, they were warned off by air to air interceptor aircraft.

It was close enough to scramble interceptor aircraft and check the intentions of the russian bomber.

Most folks get what yer saying Odie, I understood ya perfectly!

Thank you very much!:-6

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:48 pm

OpenMind;1148008 wrote: I stand by my last post on here.

I don't like vindictiveness either.

no one likes vindictiveness.

its more than sad, its immaturity and insecurity.

and, I am finished here.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:21 pm

Spot.

Cynical, mediocre, or what?

Do you have any boundaries?

When someone expresses fear

The savage steps in to kill.

The human gives comfort

(at least in the modern world).

Ridicule is an expression of one's own fears.

Taunt and tempt,

Prod and poke.

Restrain thine intellect

and gather thine mettle.

Direct it where it is needed.

Not on us commoners.

Your intellect is rare but indeed wasted if you use it to downface a woman's fears.

In reality, you are as I am, nothing but a gentleman. Yet you know what I am accused of.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:29 pm

What's the big deal? They regularly fly in to towards UK airspace and get intercepted it was so commonplace it hardly gets reported except recently they started doing it again-that got a minor headline. just as american war planes would get intercepted as they fly towards russian airspace or chinese airspace as well come to that. They wind up the swedes and the finns as well in much the same way. A 1950's era turbpprop bomber is hardly a major threat. Good job canadians aren't as hysterical and paranoid as their American neighbours.

Arguably they have as much right to arctic or antarctic resources as any other nation and it would be better to sort these things out peaceably rather than start rattling sabres since that will have only one outcome.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:34 pm

The word 'itchy' comes to mind.:-6

Post by **spot** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:11 pm

OpenMind;1148039 wrote: Your intellect is rare but indeed wasted if you use it to downface a woman's fears.It's a fear she's been taught by unscrupulous bastards. For some reason she's not managed to actually think about it. How on earth does one get someone who's in that state to let the penny drop? The resistance is absolute, the lack of realization that logical thought is desirable, applicable or trustworthy. All that matters is clinging onto the learnt superstitions. And I'm meant to sit back and leave people to wallow when I can painlessly at least invite them to use what small gift of intellect God might have granted them? It doesn't take much to realize the bloody Russians aren't going to press on and have their bombers crash and burn to worldwide gloating, whether they're met by escorts or not. And that's the Western myth we all have to parrot? Bugger that.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:49 pm

spot;1148073 wrote: It's a fear she's been taught by unscrupulous bastards. For some reason she's not managed to actually think about it. How on earth does one get someone who's in that state to let the penny drop? The resistance is absolute, the lack of realization that logical thought is desirable, applicable or trustworthy. All that matters is clinging onto the learnt superstitions. And I'm meant to sit back and leave people to wallow when I can painlessly at least invite them to use what small gift of intellect God might have granted them? It doesn't take much to realize the bloody Russians aren't going to press on and have their bombers crash and burn to worldwide gloating, whether they're met by escorts or not. And that's the Western myth we all have to parrot? Bugger that.

Fear is a terrible thing to experience. It cannot be reasoned with. There are two options depending on the circumstances.

Option 1 is to hold onto the person and hug them tightly until the emotion passes and then discuss the rationality afterwards.

Option 2 is to remove the person from the source of the fear to a safe place, hug them tightly until the emotion passes, then make a cup of tea laced with something stronger and find them somewhere relatively comfortable to sleep it off.

:D

Post by **spot** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:53 pm

I'm not that empathic, I'll stick with my hammer.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:09 pm

spot;1148133 wrote: I'm not that empathic, I'll stick with my hammer.

In that case, I'll drink the tea. Shame to see it wasted.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:14 pm

spot;1148022 wrote: More fool the Canadians for allowing themselves to be provoked, eh?

we enjoy meeting these Russian Aircraft's and demanding they turn around.

kind of a power trip, and its ours.

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:19 pm

I believe Stephen Harper's government is playing this episode for maximum effect for a few reasons :

1. It gets favourable notices from the Americans, some of whom believe Canada is a haven for fanatics bent on harming the USA.

2. Harper wants to ingratiate himself with Obama. The Conservatives made no attempt to hide their preference for McCain in the US federal election, and Harper had a nauseating sychophantic relationship with George W. Bush and his neocon rabble.It's an act of appeasement.

3. The big press coverage of the incident in Canada takes the spotlight off a faltering economy.

4. Harper's minority government may well collapse in the spring. All this Roger Ramjet posturing provides good fodder for a possible election campaign.

In short, it's Stephen Harper sucking up to the Americans and the Canadian electorate.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:36 pm

The Russians have been playing air space games with us for a quite some time.