:mad:ark weld the door shut and let him keep the key. maybe he'll drive himself crazy tring to use it.
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Ally;1152687 wrote: AND THROW AWAY THE KEY.:mad:
ark weld the door shut and let him keep the key. maybe he'll drive himself crazy tring to use it.
:mad:ark weld the door shut and let him keep the key. maybe he'll drive himself crazy tring to use it.
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scholle-kid;1152689 wrote: ark weld the door shut and let him keep the key. maybe he'll drive himself crazy tring to use it.
LIKE UR STYLE THERE SCHOLL-KID.:mad:
LIKE UR STYLE THERE SCHOLL-KID.
:mad:
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Ally;1152698 wrote: LIKE UR STYLE THERE SCHOLL-KID.:mad:
won't be doing that in Canada, judges are sucks here.
:mad:won't be doing that in Canada, judges are sucks here.
Life is just to short for drama.
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Odie;1152688 wrote: yes, a part of court ruling, just means he will be evaluated yearly....to see if it he fit for release..........that simple.......
thing is though, with a schizophrenic, they have good days and bad.....if he has good ones.....he may be aloud out.
Ours laws are very negligent, even for murder 1, maximum sentence is 25 years without parole.
MENTALLY ILL OR NOT HE BUCHERED AN INNOCENT YOUNG MAN WHO WAS SLEEPING AT THE TIME AND NO HARM TO ANYONE FGS.HE DESERVES THE FULL WAIT OF THE LAW WATEVER THAT IS.:mad:
thing is though, with a schizophrenic, they have good days and bad.....if he has good ones.....he may be aloud out.
Ours laws are very negligent, even for murder 1, maximum sentence is 25 years without parole.
MENTALLY ILL OR NOT HE BUCHERED AN INNOCENT YOUNG MAN WHO WAS SLEEPING AT THE TIME AND NO HARM TO ANYONE FGS.HE DESERVES THE FULL WAIT OF THE LAW WATEVER THAT IS.
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Ally;1152702 wrote: MENTALLY ILL OR NOT HE BUCHERED AN INNOCENT YOUNG MAN WHO WAS SLEEPING AT THE TIME AND NO HARM TO ANYONE FGS.HE DESERVES THE FULL WAIT OF THE LAW WATEVER THAT IS.:mad:
oh hey, I fully agree!
and his mother does to.
:mad:oh hey, I fully agree!
and his mother does to.
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Odie;1152707 wrote: oh hey, I fully agree!
and his mother does to.
His mother stated that she will be at every hearing from now on, "Instead of birthday parties ,it'll be hearings".
This really hit hard because if you think about it from the other side , year years will be marked not by the stepping stones of her sons journey into life , but by the hearings trying to keep the majority safe from her sons butcher .
and his mother does to.
His mother stated that she will be at every hearing from now on, "Instead of birthday parties ,it'll be hearings".
This really hit hard because if you think about it from the other side , year years will be marked not by the stepping stones of her sons journey into life , but by the hearings trying to keep the majority safe from her sons butcher .
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spot;1152307 wrote: Just think, the jury must have had all these notions too before they became educated in the duty of the court.
If you drove the car into the group of people, then reversed over them again, then drove forward and hit them again to ensure that they were dead, no expert would say "he could not control the car".
The man in the case was in exactly the position I described, nothing to do with your extrapolation. Why not try answering what I asked and then we'll both feel we've communicated?
You are kidding me with that reply right?
I get your analogy Spot, his brain is like the car not functioning right bla bla bla. It’s bsh1t, a car does not think, a car does not hear voices, a car does not carry a knife, yes he is screwed in the head and his engine is not firing on all pistons, but he is too sick for society proven by his criminal ruthless act and should be put to sleep like a dog.
If you drove the car into the group of people, then reversed over them again, then drove forward and hit them again to ensure that they were dead, no expert would say "he could not control the car".
The man in the case was in exactly the position I described, nothing to do with your extrapolation. Why not try answering what I asked and then we'll both feel we've communicated?
You are kidding me with that reply right?
I get your analogy Spot, his brain is like the car not functioning right bla bla bla. It’s bsh1t, a car does not think, a car does not hear voices, a car does not carry a knife, yes he is screwed in the head and his engine is not firing on all pistons, but he is too sick for society proven by his criminal ruthless act and should be put to sleep like a dog.
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mikeinie;1153141 wrote: You are kidding me with that reply right?
I get your analogy Spot, his brain is like the car not functioning right bla bla bla. It’s bsh1t, a car does not think, a car does not hear voices, a car does not carry a knife, yes he is screwed in the head and his engine is not firing on all pistons, but he is too sick for society proven by his criminal ruthless act and should be put to sleep like a dog.
Isn't it strange that since, say, 1860, jurists throughout the Western world have disagreed fundamentally with your position?
Perhaps, if you're right, we're approaching a new age of barbarism.
It's been called barbarism for the last three thousand years because it imitates the sound of sheep following each other. The ancient Greeks intended the word as an insult.
Here, this is the bit you might need when thinking about it. It was written in 1843 and it's been authoritative in all courts deriving from English Case Law ever since.... the jurors ought to be told in all cases that every man is to be presumed to be sane, and to possess a sufficient degree of reason to be responsible for his crimes, until the contrary be proved to their satisfaction; and that to establish a defence on the ground of insanity, it must be clearly proved that, at the time of the committing of the act, the party accused was labouring under such a defect of reason, from disease of the mind, as not to know the nature and quality of the act he was doing; or, if he did know it, that he did not know he was doing what was wrong.
People tend not to use a defence of insanity because, unlike a murder conviction, it can easily lead to their being locked up for life. It's a very dangerous defence because if it succeeds the "sentence" can be worse than that for a murder conviction.
I get your analogy Spot, his brain is like the car not functioning right bla bla bla. It’s bsh1t, a car does not think, a car does not hear voices, a car does not carry a knife, yes he is screwed in the head and his engine is not firing on all pistons, but he is too sick for society proven by his criminal ruthless act and should be put to sleep like a dog.
Isn't it strange that since, say, 1860, jurists throughout the Western world have disagreed fundamentally with your position?
Perhaps, if you're right, we're approaching a new age of barbarism.
It's been called barbarism for the last three thousand years because it imitates the sound of sheep following each other. The ancient Greeks intended the word as an insult.
Here, this is the bit you might need when thinking about it. It was written in 1843 and it's been authoritative in all courts deriving from English Case Law ever since.... the jurors ought to be told in all cases that every man is to be presumed to be sane, and to possess a sufficient degree of reason to be responsible for his crimes, until the contrary be proved to their satisfaction; and that to establish a defence on the ground of insanity, it must be clearly proved that, at the time of the committing of the act, the party accused was labouring under such a defect of reason, from disease of the mind, as not to know the nature and quality of the act he was doing; or, if he did know it, that he did not know he was doing what was wrong.
People tend not to use a defence of insanity because, unlike a murder conviction, it can easily lead to their being locked up for life. It's a very dangerous defence because if it succeeds the "sentence" can be worse than that for a murder conviction.
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lock the door and throw away the key.
Life is just to short for drama.
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Odie;1153174 wrote: lock the door and throw away the key.
That's exactly what they do when someone's found not guilty of murder by reason of insanity, Odie.
That's exactly what they do when someone's found not guilty of murder by reason of insanity, Odie.
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spot;1153176 wrote: That's exactly what they do when someone's found not guilty of murder by reason of insanity, Odie.
they will institutional him yes, but they cannot hold him there.....
they will institutional him yes, but they cannot hold him there.....
Life is just to short for drama.
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Do most chinese immigrants ride Greyhound buses in Canada with knives big enough to do what he did ?
Here in the lower 48 we had a guy, a sports celebrity of sorts who allegedly murdered his wife and her companion with a knife. He got away with it so far. The glove didn't fit or something like that. Maybe Canadas laws aren't so lenient after all.:-3
Here in the lower 48 we had a guy, a sports celebrity of sorts who allegedly murdered his wife and her companion with a knife. He got away with it so far. The glove didn't fit or something like that. Maybe Canadas laws aren't so lenient after all.:-3
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Odie;1153189 wrote: they will institutional him yes, but they cannot hold him there.....
There are currently thirty nine people in British jails who are guaranteed by law to die in jail and have no possibility of parole.
As for holding people in the high-security psychiatric hospitals here, many of them will die of old age without release. It's meaningless to say "they cannot hold him there.....", it simply doesn't match the existing facts of how the real world is.
There are currently thirty nine people in British jails who are guaranteed by law to die in jail and have no possibility of parole.
As for holding people in the high-security psychiatric hospitals here, many of them will die of old age without release. It's meaningless to say "they cannot hold him there.....", it simply doesn't match the existing facts of how the real world is.
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Odie this is what sends chills up my spine. Mental illness is so misunderstood for the most part. Schizophrenia is probably the most dangerous of all. I have had 2 friends who have brothers (as it more prevalent in men) who spent their entire adult lives tormented and dangerous at times to the point they were afraid of them constantly. They both committed suicide. I read that Mr. Li begged to be killed as well he is tormented and knows it. If they don't confine him forever in a maximum facility it could happen again. This man is a monster inside there is no changing that. Yes he is sick, yes he killed another human being in such a brutal fashion that the public should be protected from him.
[QUOTE]they will institutional him yes, but they cannot hold him there.....[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]they will institutional him yes, but they cannot hold him there.....[/QUOTE]
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CARLA;1153205 wrote: Yes he is sick, yes he killed another human being in such a brutal fashion that the public should be protected from him.John Straffen was committed to the Broadmoor high-security psychiatric hospital in 1951. He died there a year ago. Is that the sort of thing you have in mind?
Odie says it can't happen. Odie says things without bothering to check first.
Odie says it can't happen. Odie says things without bothering to check first.
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CARLA;1153205 wrote: Odie this is what sends chills up my spine. Mental illness is so misunderstood for the most part. Schizophrenia is probably the most dangerous of all. I have had 2 friends who have brothers (as it more prevalent in men) who spent their entire adult lives tormented and dangerous at times to the point they were afraid of them constantly. They both committed suicide. I read that Mr. Li begged to be killed as well he is tormented and knows it. If they don't confine him forever in a maximum facility it could happen again. This man is a monster inside there is no changing that. Yes he is sick, yes he killed another human being in such a brutal fashion that the public should be protected from him.
Oh Carla, I am so sorry to hear this!
I am quite certain Li will never get out.
how could he after what he has done?
it was the way it was worded.........that he will have yearly evaluations.
They know now what he is capable of, he has murdered someone, they will not release him. Schizophrenics never get better.
to bad it's always found out later.
Oh Carla, I am so sorry to hear this!
I am quite certain Li will never get out.
how could he after what he has done?
it was the way it was worded.........that he will have yearly evaluations.
They know now what he is capable of, he has murdered someone, they will not release him. Schizophrenics never get better.
to bad it's always found out later.
Life is just to short for drama.
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Odie;1153211 wrote: Oh Carla, I am so sorry to hear this!
I am quite certain Li will never get out.
how could he after what he has done?
it was the way it was worded...that he will have yearly evaluations......
They know now what he is capable of, he has murdered someone, they will not release him. Schizophrenics never get better.
I do apologize Odie, I obviously misunderstood "they will institutional him yes, but they cannot hold him there..... ".
I am quite certain Li will never get out.
how could he after what he has done?
it was the way it was worded...that he will have yearly evaluations......
They know now what he is capable of, he has murdered someone, they will not release him. Schizophrenics never get better.
I do apologize Odie, I obviously misunderstood "they will institutional him yes, but they cannot hold him there..... ".
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Spot I hope this is the case as Mr. Li is a danger to the public.
[QUOTE]John Straffen was committed to the Broadmoor high-security psychiatric hospital in 1951. He died there a year ago. Is that the sort of thing you have in mind?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]John Straffen was committed to the Broadmoor high-security psychiatric hospital in 1951. He died there a year ago. Is that the sort of thing you have in mind?[/QUOTE]
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spot;1153213 wrote: I do apologize Odie, I obviously misunderstood "they will institutional him yes, but they cannot hold him there..... ".
tis okay, yes he will be put there, but they cannot hold him there, but I do think in this case...he will be there forever either doped up, chained or in a straight jacket.
tis okay, yes he will be put there, but they cannot hold him there, but I do think in this case...he will be there forever either doped up, chained or in a straight jacket.
Life is just to short for drama.
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Odie;1153216 wrote: tis okay, yes he will be put there, but they cannot hold him there, but I do think in this case...he will be there forever either doped up or chained.
You really have got this "they cannot hold him" bit lodged firmly into your head, haven't you. Like in "sick or not sick, too many mental ill patients get away with murder! and in Canada, they have the right to walk out of any institution".
Would you simply accept that you're mistaken, or would you prefer me to go and find the relevant detail? You're so obviously wrong it hurts.
You really have got this "they cannot hold him" bit lodged firmly into your head, haven't you. Like in "sick or not sick, too many mental ill patients get away with murder! and in Canada, they have the right to walk out of any institution".
Would you simply accept that you're mistaken, or would you prefer me to go and find the relevant detail? You're so obviously wrong it hurts.
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spot;1153219 wrote: You really have got this "they cannot hold him" bit lodged firmly into your head, haven't you. Like in "sick or not sick, too many mental ill patients get away with murder! and in Canada, they have the right to walk out of any institution".
Would you simply accept that you're mistaken, or would you prefer me to go and find the relevant detail? You're so obviously wrong it hurts.
He will be held there by court order.
Would you simply accept that you're mistaken, or would you prefer me to go and find the relevant detail? You're so obviously wrong it hurts.
He will be held there by court order.
Life is just to short for drama.
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Odie;1153222 wrote: He will be held there by court order.
As is every murderer in the country. As is every killer not guilty by reason of insanity. Neither the prisoner in prison nor the patient held in a high-security psychiatric hospital has "the right to walk out of any institution". They can each be released when, firstly, a period specified by the court has passed and, secondly, a group of specialists has decided they pose no more danger to the community than the average citizen on the streets does. In the one case they're a parole board, in the other they're exceptionally well-trained psychiatrists. Until both those conditions have been met the system can and will continue to hold him, he has not under any circumstances whatever "the right to walk out of any institution".
The bits in quote marks are what you wrote earlier in the thread. They're what I'm taking exception to.
As is every murderer in the country. As is every killer not guilty by reason of insanity. Neither the prisoner in prison nor the patient held in a high-security psychiatric hospital has "the right to walk out of any institution". They can each be released when, firstly, a period specified by the court has passed and, secondly, a group of specialists has decided they pose no more danger to the community than the average citizen on the streets does. In the one case they're a parole board, in the other they're exceptionally well-trained psychiatrists. Until both those conditions have been met the system can and will continue to hold him, he has not under any circumstances whatever "the right to walk out of any institution".
The bits in quote marks are what you wrote earlier in the thread. They're what I'm taking exception to.
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reddog;1153194 wrote: Do most chinese immigrants ride Greyhound buses in Canada with knives big enough to do what he did ?
Here in the lower 48 we had a guy, a sports celebrity of sorts who allegedly murdered his wife and her companion with a knife. He got away with it so far. The glove didn't fit or something like that. Maybe Canadas laws aren't so lenient after all.:-3
Or just as lenient. At the time of that ruling people were expressing the same degree of fear and anger at the system that you are reading here about this ruling.
Here in the lower 48 we had a guy, a sports celebrity of sorts who allegedly murdered his wife and her companion with a knife. He got away with it so far. The glove didn't fit or something like that. Maybe Canadas laws aren't so lenient after all.:-3
Or just as lenient. At the time of that ruling people were expressing the same degree of fear and anger at the system that you are reading here about this ruling.
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CARLA;1153205 wrote: I read that Mr. Li begged to be killed as well he is tormented and knows it.
This brings to mind the question of , If a person knows he is tormented and has 'begged ' to killed, isn't it more barbaric to hold them in a high-security psychiatric hospital drugged up or any other way for the rest of their natural lives?
This brings to mind the question of , If a person knows he is tormented and has 'begged ' to killed, isn't it more barbaric to hold them in a high-security psychiatric hospital drugged up or any other way for the rest of their natural lives?
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I have wondered about that as well Jester. Fear and just plain shock at what they were witnessing can you imagine. 
[QUOTE]Im still wrapping my head around why nobody tried to stop him.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Im still wrapping my head around why nobody tried to stop him.[/QUOTE]
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"Ewwing" is right just reading what he did to this young man makes me ill and hard to believe but he did it.
[QUOTE]This is just mind boggling. Im actually physically, 'ewwing', each time this comes up.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]This is just mind boggling. Im actually physically, 'ewwing', each time this comes up.[/QUOTE]
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WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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Jester;1153318 wrote: Im still wrapping my head around why nobody tried to stop him.:-3
They panicked and exited the bus.
doubt anyone would have helped a man with a rambo knife stabbing his victim, only to behead him, carry his head up the bus and ate his blood.
They panicked and exited the bus.
doubt anyone would have helped a man with a rambo knife stabbing his victim, only to behead him, carry his head up the bus and ate his blood.
Life is just to short for drama.
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Jester;1153371 wrote: Odie I'd have beat that man to death with the butt end of his own knife. Im certain they were scared, no doubt most folks woudl be an dit was wise to close the perp in th ebus, no doubt there too. I know I'd have gone in to stop him. Im not saying I'm tough or nothing, I'm just saying that I would not have been able to let it happen.
Its an absolutely unbeliveable situation.
Wish you had of been there.
It was worse than horrific what he did to him.:-5:-5
Its an absolutely unbeliveable situation.
Wish you had of been there.
It was worse than horrific what he did to him.:-5:-5
Life is just to short for drama.
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JAB;1153377 wrote: I suppose it's easy to sit here after the fact and judge what you would or would not have done but distracting him from his gruesome task comes to mind here.
Throw something at him, cause a commotion, beat the crap out of him but don't just stand there or leave
This guy should be found 'guilty by reason of insanity'. He should be locked up in an institution until rehabilitated. If he is, then transfer him to a maximum prison 'til he rots. If he's not capable of being rehabilitated then he stays in the straight jacket until he dies.
to me, sick or not, yes, he should have been found guilty!:-5:-5
Throw something at him, cause a commotion, beat the crap out of him but don't just stand there or leave
This guy should be found 'guilty by reason of insanity'. He should be locked up in an institution until rehabilitated. If he is, then transfer him to a maximum prison 'til he rots. If he's not capable of being rehabilitated then he stays in the straight jacket until he dies.
to me, sick or not, yes, he should have been found guilty!:-5:-5
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Jester;1153346 wrote: Ive seen some evil stuff in my time, that would be the topper for sure, but I could not sit there and let it happen no matter what the personal risk.
I thought for a few minutes after first reading this thread then looking at the articles from other sources and Im certain that I would have torn the doors off the bus after him and I know I'd have granted his wish to be killed.
This is just mind boggling. Im actually physically, 'ewwing', each time this comes up. I'm with you Jester. Weapon or no weapon, the guy was alone yet there were many other passengers. Look at what the passengers did on the hi-jacked plane destined for the Whitehouse 9/11 that crashed in Passadena? They stormed the terrorists. I don't think i could have just watched a guy die and do nothing. I do believe i would have had to do some-thing. maybe not on my own... sure... but at least rally the other passengers to storm him.
I thought for a few minutes after first reading this thread then looking at the articles from other sources and Im certain that I would have torn the doors off the bus after him and I know I'd have granted his wish to be killed.
This is just mind boggling. Im actually physically, 'ewwing', each time this comes up. I'm with you Jester. Weapon or no weapon, the guy was alone yet there were many other passengers. Look at what the passengers did on the hi-jacked plane destined for the Whitehouse 9/11 that crashed in Passadena? They stormed the terrorists. I don't think i could have just watched a guy die and do nothing. I do believe i would have had to do some-thing. maybe not on my own... sure... but at least rally the other passengers to storm him.
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Jester;1153451 wrote: Its hard to get folks to overcome such a drastic moment. The passengers on the PA flight had time to think it through. I think this is more of a time when you just react to the horrific moment. It's so difficult to second guess it this far past in hindight. About all I can wrap my head aroudn is that I would have tried to do something.
But here again after the fact- what is the answer to what he's done now, one could argue as spot did that hes not able to understand the cirminal side of this and therefore its not a criminal act, and he'd be correct, the man did not act with malice in this case. But in my opinion that does not negate his responsibility in this issue, he still did it. The brutality of it indicates that the man can never be rehabilitated since he did not 'know' he was doing it in the first place. Do we lock them up for life or do we execute him to ensure the rest of society is safe- thats the million dollar question.
He murdered, he should be executed. I know that sounds harsh, but that protects the rest of society.
Again, I'm with you here. Even if he did not act in malice, the man is ill enough to commit this henoius crime. The key point to me is that if he must never be in a position to ever do this again. If he is successfully re-habilitated in a high secure unit and return to 'sanity'.. then his 'sane' mind would allow him to understand the enormity of which he has done. Then he must understand why he must be detained for the rest of his life. The question is....... Are his rights being put above the rights of innocent people to be kept safe by their government?
But here again after the fact- what is the answer to what he's done now, one could argue as spot did that hes not able to understand the cirminal side of this and therefore its not a criminal act, and he'd be correct, the man did not act with malice in this case. But in my opinion that does not negate his responsibility in this issue, he still did it. The brutality of it indicates that the man can never be rehabilitated since he did not 'know' he was doing it in the first place. Do we lock them up for life or do we execute him to ensure the rest of society is safe- thats the million dollar question.
He murdered, he should be executed. I know that sounds harsh, but that protects the rest of society.
Again, I'm with you here. Even if he did not act in malice, the man is ill enough to commit this henoius crime. The key point to me is that if he must never be in a position to ever do this again. If he is successfully re-habilitated in a high secure unit and return to 'sanity'.. then his 'sane' mind would allow him to understand the enormity of which he has done. Then he must understand why he must be detained for the rest of his life. The question is....... Are his rights being put above the rights of innocent people to be kept safe by their government?
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oscar;1153485 wrote: Again, I'm with you here. Even if he did not act in malice, the man is ill enough to commit this henoius crime. The key point to me is that if he must never be in a position to ever do this again. If he is successfully re-habilitated in a high secure unit and return to 'sanity'.. then his 'sane' mind would allow him to understand the enormity of which he has done. Then he must understand why he must be detained for the rest of his life. The question is....... Are his rights being put above the rights of innocent people to be kept safe by their government?
I agree that 'if' he was to be rehabilitated he should then face what he did and be put away for the rest of his natural life.
But, since it was ruled that he not be held criminally responsible for the murder ,would he be sent to prison??
I agree that 'if' he was to be rehabilitated he should then face what he did and be put away for the rest of his natural life.
But, since it was ruled that he not be held criminally responsible for the murder ,would he be sent to prison??
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scholle-kid;1153519 wrote: I agree that 'if' he was to be rehabilitated he should then face what he did and be put away for the rest of his natural life.
But, since it was ruled that he not be held criminally responsible for the murder ,would he be sent to prison?? Its a grey area isn't it? Without googling I know we have had this question here in Britain. If they are not guilty of murder due to being insane at the time, are they guilty of murder if they are re-habilitated and their sanity restored?
We have a guy here called Peter Sutcliffe. If Spot was around right now he could remember better but there has been uproar in the press here over rumours that he is to be released and even the Prime Minister has had to come out and re-assure the public.
I'd like to query Spot on Peter Sutcliffe and 'Charles Bronson who is Britains most notorious inmate. If he returns to the thread, he will put me right. Also Spot, was 'Ian Brady' found to be insane?
But, since it was ruled that he not be held criminally responsible for the murder ,would he be sent to prison?? Its a grey area isn't it? Without googling I know we have had this question here in Britain. If they are not guilty of murder due to being insane at the time, are they guilty of murder if they are re-habilitated and their sanity restored?
We have a guy here called Peter Sutcliffe. If Spot was around right now he could remember better but there has been uproar in the press here over rumours that he is to be released and even the Prime Minister has had to come out and re-assure the public.
I'd like to query Spot on Peter Sutcliffe and 'Charles Bronson who is Britains most notorious inmate. If he returns to the thread, he will put me right. Also Spot, was 'Ian Brady' found to be insane?
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In the US there is ' double jeopardy' which means a person can not be trid for the same thing twice, so if this li guy was here and if he was found to be rehabilitated he would be set free.
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scholle-kid;1153532 wrote: In the US there is ' double jeopardy' which means a person can not be trid for the same thing twice, so if this li guy was here and if he was found to be rehabilitated he would be set free. That's interesting.... we had the same double jeopardy law here and only recently under this government, they abolished it. The reason they over-threw the law was more down to the advancement of DNA over the years. Murderers who got off years ago are now quite worried. We have had a case recently where a man got away with a rape and murder 30 years ago. He was nailed after new DNA technology proved it was him. Under Double Jepordy, he'd still be free.
BBC NEWS | UK | Double jeopardy law ushered out
They abolished it after 800 years.
BBC NEWS | UK | Double jeopardy law ushered out
They abolished it after 800 years.
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Canada's bus beheading man found not guilty
WINNIPEG -- A year ago today, Kayli Shaw boarded a Greyhound bus for a long cross-country journey from Edmonton to her home in Ontario.
She was looking forward to seeing her boyfriend and took a seat four rows behind the driver.
The sun was setting as the bus travelled along the flat Trans-Canada Highway that carves across Manitoba.
All of a sudden a passenger rushed past her yelling for the bus driver to stop. Someone was being stabbed.
"I thought it was just a joke," said Shaw, speaking publicly for the first time from London.
She looked behind her and saw Vince Li stabbing Tim McLean repeatedly.
"I just freaked out," said Shaw, who left all her things and clamoured for the door. "I just wanted to get out of there as fast as possible."
That unfolding nightmare haunts Shaw to this day.
She, like others who witnessed the horror that July night, can't get the bloody images out of her head.
Li stabbed the 22-year-old carnival worker dozens of times, carving up his body and scattering it around the bus. Part of McLean's heart and his eyes were never found.
When she closes her eyes, Shaw sees Li holding up McLean's head, "taunting police" from inside the locked bus. She sees police standing outside the bus and firefighters leaning up against emergency vehicles as Li continues defiling McLean.
"It's been hell," said the 23-year-old. "If someone drops a pencil, I'll jump. I'm afraid to get on buses. I have nightmares every night. I can't sleep through the night at all. I barricade myself into my apartment."
Li was found not criminally responsible for his actions in March. He is now locked up in an institution where doctors say he is making progress -- taking his medication, watching movies, playing cards and reading a Chinese edition of the Bible.
Winnipeg lawyer Jay Prober is preparing to file a class-action lawsuit against Greyhound on behalf of passengers. Prober, who is also fighting a lawsuit on behalf of the McLean family, alleges the company didn't do enough to protect the ridership.
The bus line has introduced greater security measures. Passengers boarding in major cities must now pass through metal detectors and check their luggage rather than carry it on board.
While Li is in a mental institution getting the counselling he needs, passengers have been left to grapple with their nightmares virtually on their own, Prober said.
"It's had a severe impact emotionally ... There are some serious issues," he said.
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oh wonderful, he's making progress.:rolleyes:
There should be a new law here introduced, whether insane or not..you still get jail time.
I can only imagine how his parents feel, when their son's
murderer is taking his meds and getting better, while their son was massacred.
There was no excuse not to have him thrown in jail for life.
She was looking forward to seeing her boyfriend and took a seat four rows behind the driver.
The sun was setting as the bus travelled along the flat Trans-Canada Highway that carves across Manitoba.
All of a sudden a passenger rushed past her yelling for the bus driver to stop. Someone was being stabbed.
"I thought it was just a joke," said Shaw, speaking publicly for the first time from London.
She looked behind her and saw Vince Li stabbing Tim McLean repeatedly.
"I just freaked out," said Shaw, who left all her things and clamoured for the door. "I just wanted to get out of there as fast as possible."
That unfolding nightmare haunts Shaw to this day.
She, like others who witnessed the horror that July night, can't get the bloody images out of her head.
Li stabbed the 22-year-old carnival worker dozens of times, carving up his body and scattering it around the bus. Part of McLean's heart and his eyes were never found.
When she closes her eyes, Shaw sees Li holding up McLean's head, "taunting police" from inside the locked bus. She sees police standing outside the bus and firefighters leaning up against emergency vehicles as Li continues defiling McLean.
"It's been hell," said the 23-year-old. "If someone drops a pencil, I'll jump. I'm afraid to get on buses. I have nightmares every night. I can't sleep through the night at all. I barricade myself into my apartment."
Li was found not criminally responsible for his actions in March. He is now locked up in an institution where doctors say he is making progress -- taking his medication, watching movies, playing cards and reading a Chinese edition of the Bible.
Winnipeg lawyer Jay Prober is preparing to file a class-action lawsuit against Greyhound on behalf of passengers. Prober, who is also fighting a lawsuit on behalf of the McLean family, alleges the company didn't do enough to protect the ridership.
The bus line has introduced greater security measures. Passengers boarding in major cities must now pass through metal detectors and check their luggage rather than carry it on board.
While Li is in a mental institution getting the counselling he needs, passengers have been left to grapple with their nightmares virtually on their own, Prober said.
"It's had a severe impact emotionally ... There are some serious issues," he said.
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oh wonderful, he's making progress.:rolleyes:
There should be a new law here introduced, whether insane or not..you still get jail time.
I can only imagine how his parents feel, when their son's
murderer is taking his meds and getting better, while their son was massacred.
There was no excuse not to have him thrown in jail for life.
Life is just to short for drama.
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Odie;1223124 wrote: There should be a new law here introduced, whether insane or not..you still get jail time.Why do people get sent to jail, Odie?
Really. Serious question. I'm trying to work out how you can possibly think the way you post.
Really. Serious question. I'm trying to work out how you can possibly think the way you post.
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spot;1223135 wrote: Why do people get sent to jail, Odie?
Really. Serious question. I'm trying to work out how you can possibly think the way you post.
oh c'mon Spot, really?
Really. Serious question. I'm trying to work out how you can possibly think the way you post.
oh c'mon Spot, really?
Life is just to short for drama.
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Odie;1152081 wrote: did I mention I hate our Canadian laws?:-5:-5
I hear ya Odie
I hear ya Odie
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Tan;1223226 wrote: I hear ya Odie
knew you would understand.
knew you would understand.
Life is just to short for drama.
Canada's bus beheading man found not guilty
I agree with you, this is an incredible injustice and so unfair. Canada is way too soft on criminals, and the law is on the side of the criminals not the victims. This guy should have been sent somewhere for execution.
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mikeinie;1223256 wrote: I agree with you, this is an incredible injustice and so unfair. Canada is way too soft on criminals, and the law is on the side of the criminals not the victims. This guy should have been sent somewhere for execution.
- sad to know he is in a mental institution and a year later after he massacred a man to death.......he is doing much better with help and meds.
....each year he will be given an evaluation to see if he is well enough to leave........
as said, I can only imagine how his victims parents, family, friends and ones who witness this feel.
- sad to know he is in a mental institution and a year later after he massacred a man to death.......he is doing much better with help and meds.
....each year he will be given an evaluation to see if he is well enough to leave........
as said, I can only imagine how his victims parents, family, friends and ones who witness this feel.
Life is just to short for drama.
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Odie;1223304 wrote: - sad to know he is in a mental institution and a year later after he massacred a man to death.......he is doing much better with help and meds.
....each year he will be given an evaluation to see if he is well enough to leave........
as said, I can only imagine how his victims parents, family, friends and ones who witness this feel.
Surely he is in the best place?? He has a mental illness and is now responding to treatment??
Maybe his victims family and friends should be holding doctors responsible for allowing this severely ill man to slip past the radar and not be signalled up for someone who desperately needed psychiatric treatment for possible Schizophrenia??
....each year he will be given an evaluation to see if he is well enough to leave........
as said, I can only imagine how his victims parents, family, friends and ones who witness this feel.
Surely he is in the best place?? He has a mental illness and is now responding to treatment??
Maybe his victims family and friends should be holding doctors responsible for allowing this severely ill man to slip past the radar and not be signalled up for someone who desperately needed psychiatric treatment for possible Schizophrenia??
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spot;1223135 wrote: Why do people get sent to jail, Odie?
Really. Serious question. I'm trying to work out how you can possibly think the way you post.
Let me see, here in Canada you get jail time for..... gosh gee murder, but if you are a creepy kind of murderer like Paul Bernardo, you get your own room hmmm just so nobody kills you in jail.
The justice system here in Canada is governed by a bunch of freakin bleeding hearts. It's quite sick.
Ing, yes mister Ing, he is here from the USA he robs a department store, he shoots a security guard in the hand. He goes to Jail.... he is held here in freakin Calgary because The Canadian justice system says "he can't go back to the USA he will face the death penalty"..... why you ask? Because he and some dude named Lake allegedly killed 11 or so people in California.....
Yah Canada, let our tax dollars go towards saving the likes of Ing.... later Ing was released to the USA and eventually he killed his self.:-5
Ok but if you have some pot on ya, you face jail time. Hmmmmmmm interesting.
Just my opinions.
Really. Serious question. I'm trying to work out how you can possibly think the way you post.
Let me see, here in Canada you get jail time for..... gosh gee murder, but if you are a creepy kind of murderer like Paul Bernardo, you get your own room hmmm just so nobody kills you in jail.
The justice system here in Canada is governed by a bunch of freakin bleeding hearts. It's quite sick.
Ing, yes mister Ing, he is here from the USA he robs a department store, he shoots a security guard in the hand. He goes to Jail.... he is held here in freakin Calgary because The Canadian justice system says "he can't go back to the USA he will face the death penalty"..... why you ask? Because he and some dude named Lake allegedly killed 11 or so people in California.....
Yah Canada, let our tax dollars go towards saving the likes of Ing.... later Ing was released to the USA and eventually he killed his self.:-5
Ok but if you have some pot on ya, you face jail time. Hmmmmmmm interesting.
Just my opinions.
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