What if ... In a BNP Britain...

[Chezzie]

The BNP would kick out all those people who were not born in Britain. What if every other country in the world kicked out the Brits? A staggering 5.5 million people would be sent back here – far more than would leave our shores. This includes 800,000 from Spain, most of whom are pensioners.

If non-white people were ordered out of Britain then the NHS would collapse overnight. 16% of nurses are from minority ethnic communities, as are 40% of new dentists and 58% of new doctors!

The BNP would introduce apartheid into Britain. The BNP call for whites to be given first preference in housing, education and jobs. This is no different from apartheid South Africa, a racist regime which the BNP supported.

Mixed-race relationships would be outlawed. The BNP constitution opposes any racial integration. Articles in BNP journals condemn mixed-race relationships as “mongrelising the white race.

The BNP’s answer to violent crime is to allow every household to have a gun. We kid you not. This barmy idea was in the BNP’s 2005 general election manifesto.




The British National Party leader, Nick Griffin, presents himself as a modern, respectable politician but he is nothing of the sort. For over 30 years he has been a hardline fascist. He is also a champion of the politics of factionalism which he uses to shore up and preserve his own position against those who would challenge his authority. Now in his bid to get elected to the European Parliament in June 2009, he is building links with openly Nazi and fascist politicians internationally.

At the same time Griffin is spearheading the BNP's "Racism Cuts Both Ways" campaign. Launched in October 2008 it purports to prove the existence of a "silent epidemic of racist targeting of indigenous Britons". A 12-page glossy pamphlet (pictured left) being distributed as part of the campaign is full of racist venom directed especially at Muslims, whom it accuses of being "sickos", "paedophiles" and teaming up "to lure girls - often as young as twelve or thirteen - into a nightmare world of sexual abuse, rape, beatings, drug addiction and prostitution".

Muslims in Britain have been the main target of the BNP in recent years, although Griffin has by no means abandoned his antisemitism. Early in 2008 the BNP distributed a leaflet in the north west of England, where Griffin will head the BNP list in the European elections, which claimed Muslims were responsible for 95% of the heroin trade. Four BNP activists, including a local councillor, were arrested in November 2008 on suspicion of publishing and distributing leaflets intended to stir up racial hatred.

The real BNP: NICK GRIFFIN: BNP leader

Since the discussions on the BNP have begun, I have been interested to see what the party offers. Like I have said, changes need to be made. Mostly on:

Immigration control

Prisons

Policing

Helping our future generation

Schooling

Economy

I have no faith in ANY of the politicians , Labour, Tory and Lib Dem especially. I am not alone in thinking this way. I need to know that the next party in power will deliver. No false promises. No lying and cheating to line their own pockets. Working in Westminster for our benefit and not theirs.

I can't envisage a happy life under BNP but what's the alternative, what party is going to get us back on track?

[Snowfire]

I'd like to contribute properly to this in a while.

Idi Amin decided one day he didnt like Asians living in his country. He chucked them all out. The economy of that country collapsed completely and never recovered. Tells a story doesnt it

[Oscar Namechange]

Snowfire;1175135 wrote: I'd like to contribute properly to this in a while.

Idi Amin decided one day he didnt like Asians living in his country. He chucked them all out. The economy of that country collapsed completely and never recovered. Tells a story doesnt it


http://www.mail-archive.com/ugandanet@k ... 17848.html



He also slaughtered his own people in a corrupt government that took aid out of the mouths of his own people. Tells a story doesn't it;)

[Snowfire]

oscar;1175152 wrote: [Ugnet] Did Idi Amin really kill 300,000 people?



He also slaughtered his own people in a corrupt government that took aid out of the mouths of his own people. Tells a story doesn't it;)


Sorry Oscar but where in that article does it negate my statement that Idi Amin threw out the Asian community from Uganda and therefore destroying their economy ?

What, from that article, are you trying to say. I know full well what this monster did to his own people. I remember reading at the time his methods of torture.

Sorry your point is lost on me.

Must be elation of the football :rolleyes:

[fuzzywuzzy]

what I find interesting about different views and politics of people is this, it doesn't matter who stands for parliament. It doesn't matter whether they are whackoes or racists or namby pambys......................They are not representative of the people:

Until that is ................the majority elects them. They are only representative of the people if the "MAJORITY" of people are of the same mind.

[Oscar Namechange]

Snowfire;1175195 wrote: Sorry Oscar but where in that article does it negate my statement that Idi Amin threw out the Asian community from Uganda and therefore destroying their economy ?

What, from that article, are you trying to say. I know full well what this monster did to his own people. I remember reading at the time his methods of torture.

Sorry your point is lost on me.

Must be elation of the football :rolleyes: I had to nip out.....Did Chelsea win on aggregate?

[Bryn Mawr]

fuzzywuzzy;1175198 wrote: what I find interesting about different views and politics of people is this, it doesn't matter who stands for parliament. It doesn't matter whether they are whackoes or racists or namby pambys......................They are not representative of the people:

Until that is ................the majority elects them. They are only representative of the people if the "MAJORITY" of people are of the same mind.


They only represent the people if, after they are elected, they enact the policies the people want them to enact.

All too often we have elected politicians on a manifesto that is torn up the moment they are in power.

All to often we have to vote against the manifesto from hell only to have the winning party claim the victory as a ringing endorsement of every bad policy in their manifesto.

All too often we vote for a set of policies only for the winning party to invent additional policies and claim a mandate for carrying them out as well despite opposition from those who elected them.

We, the people, deserve more say than just one be all and end all vote every four or five years.

[Bryn Mawr]

oscar;1175208 wrote: I had to nip out.....Did Chelsea win on aggregate?


Just - and very shakey they looked too.

[Oscar Namechange]

Bryn Mawr;1175213 wrote: Just - and very shakey they looked too. Thanks Bryn :-6:-6

[FUBAR]

Bryn Mawr;1175211 wrote: They only represent the people if, after they are elected, they enact the policies the people want them to enact.

All too often we have elected politicians on a manifesto that is torn up the moment they are in power.

All to often we have to vote against the manifesto from hell only to have the winning party claim the victory as a ringing endorsement of every bad policy in their manifesto.

All too often we vote for a set of policies only for the winning party to invent additional policies and claim a mandate for carrying them out as well despite opposition from those who elected them.

We, the people, deserve more say than just one be all and end all vote every four or five years.


There should be a way to recall a government back for a vote when they get carried away with their dictatorial powers. Something like if you get fed up with your representative and you can get more people signing a petition with more signatures than their majority is they have to stand again. Or even better banning organized political parties as they have an inbuilt interest to stay in power rather than doing good for the country.

[gmc]

FUBAR;1175302 wrote: There should be a way to recall a government back for a vote when they get carried away with their dictatorial powers. Something like if you get fed up with your representative and you can get more people signing a petition with more signatures than their majority is they have to stand again. Or even better banning organized political parties as they have an inbuilt interest to stay in power rather than doing good for the country.


In the UK parliament is sovereign. It can stop the government any time it likes but our MP's forget this and back the party leaders regardless because if they want to get any government positions they have to be in with the leaders. maybe the problem is having professional politicians who have never had a "normal" job. When one party has too many seats they tend to get carried away and think they will always be in power.

[FUBAR]

gmc;1175304 wrote: In the UK parliament is sovereign. It can stop the government any time it likes but our MP's forget this and back the party leaders regardless because if they want to get any government positions they have to be in with the leaders. maybe the problem is having professional politicians who have never had a "normal" job. When one party has too many seats they tend to get carried away and think they will always be in power.


True. Politics is regarded as a job now with pensions,holidays etc. Maybe there should be a limit on how many times you can be an MP so professional ones will be gone. Or get rid of party whips. They are only there so people toe the party line instead of voting for what they believe in. Secret free voting would put a curb on some of the things that get through these days. The more you look at it party politics is destroying democracy more than anything else. It is self, party then country now more than ever.....-1

[Chezzie]

FUBAR;1175313 wrote: True. Politics is regarded as a job now with pensions,holidays etc. Maybe there should be a limit on how many times you can be an MP so professional ones will be gone. Or get rid of party whips. They are only there so people toe the party line instead of voting for what they believe in. Secret free voting would put a curb on some of the things that get through these days. The more you look at it party politics is destroying democracy more than anything else. It is self, party then country now more than ever.....-1


That's the problem. The politicians today are only interested in what's in it for them and not what's best for us. Your local councillors and politicians I feel work their socks off and the Westminster lot sit back and rake in as much cash as they can .

The top pm's are a disgrace really. Always trying smear campaigns, claiming for porn and second homes and goodness knows what else...Get rid of them all I say, nothing but lying leeches who never stick to any pledges and promises and dig us deeper in the doo doo.

We need people who want what we want and don't want to get rich doing it.

Im sick of Tory....I'm sick to the back teeth of Labour.......I need to read up on the Lib dems as im not up to par on them. I like corduroy:)

[Oscar Namechange]

Chezzie;1175469 wrote: Im sick of Tory....I'm sick to the back teeth of Labour.......I need to read up on the Lib dems as im not up to par on them. I like corduroy:)


Some Councils are an absolute disgrace and no better than the top MP's. I gave up local council after we had a very expensive meeting one day that went on for four hours to decide the colour of some new leaflets. They were more worried about the quality of leaflests to impress that the actual imformation content that helped people in council housing. Most are a bunch of jobsworths who'd rather fine you heavilly for putting a tin can in your green bin than actually repair the street lighting and potholes in your road.

I looked at the Lib dem Party and to be fair there are some good policies. I found them over-all to be too similar to Labour.

[qsducks]

Chezzie;1175119 wrote:
The BNP would kick out all those people who were not born in Britain. What if every other country in the world kicked out the Brits? A staggering 5.5 million people would be sent back here – far more than would leave our shores. This includes 800,000 from Spain, most of whom are pensioners.

If non-white people were ordered out of Britain then the NHS would collapse overnight. 16% of nurses are from minority ethnic communities, as are 40% of new dentists and 58% of new doctors!

The BNP would introduce apartheid into Britain. The BNP call for whites to be given first preference in housing, education and jobs. This is no different from apartheid South Africa, a racist regime which the BNP supported.

Mixed-race relationships would be outlawed. The BNP constitution opposes any racial integration. Articles in BNP journals condemn mixed-race relationships as “mongrelising the white race.

The BNP’s answer to violent crime is to allow every household to have a gun. We kid you not. This barmy idea was in the BNP’s 2005 general election manifesto.




The British National Party leader, Nick Griffin, presents himself as a modern, respectable politician but he is nothing of the sort. For over 30 years he has been a hardline fascist. He is also a champion of the politics of factionalism which he uses to shore up and preserve his own position against those who would challenge his authority. Now in his bid to get elected to the European Parliament in June 2009, he is building links with openly Nazi and fascist politicians internationally.

At the same time Griffin is spearheading the BNP's "Racism Cuts Both Ways" campaign. Launched in October 2008 it purports to prove the existence of a "silent epidemic of racist targeting of indigenous Britons". A 12-page glossy pamphlet (pictured left) being distributed as part of the campaign is full of racist venom directed especially at Muslims, whom it accuses of being "sickos", "paedophiles" and teaming up "to lure girls - often as young as twelve or thirteen - into a nightmare world of sexual abuse, rape, beatings, drug addiction and prostitution".

Muslims in Britain have been the main target of the BNP in recent years, although Griffin has by no means abandoned his antisemitism. Early in 2008 the BNP distributed a leaflet in the north west of England, where Griffin will head the BNP list in the European elections, which claimed Muslims were responsible for 95% of the heroin trade. Four BNP activists, including a local councillor, were arrested in November 2008 on suspicion of publishing and distributing leaflets intended to stir up racial hatred.

The real BNP: NICK GRIFFIN: BNP leader

Since the discussions on the BNP have begun, I have been interested to see what the party offers. Like I have said, changes need to be made. Mostly on:

Immigration control

Prisons

Policing

Helping our future generation

Schooling

Economy

I have no faith in ANY of the politicians , Labour, Tory and Lib Dem especially. I am not alone in thinking this way. I need to know that the next party in power will deliver. No false promises. No lying and cheating to line their own pockets. Working in Westminster for our benefit and not theirs.

I can't envisage a happy life under BNP but what's the alternative, what party is going to get us back on track?


Jeez, you ain't voting for these cretens are you Chez? Jeez, we have them over here too...their called Republicans.:-5

[Chezzie]

qsducks;1175478 wrote: Jeez, you ain't voting for these cretens are you Chez? Jeez, we have them over here too...their called Republicans.:-5


No I am not voting for them Ducky, far too extreme views for my liking BUT they do have a couple of ideas that if were less fascist could work. Immigration in UK is killing us and we need to get a grip fast and control it more efficiently. We need to only allow folk in who can provide for themselves and not come here to leech off our benefit system. If I wanted to emigrate say to Canada or New Zealand say, I have to prove I have a skill that that country needs, that I have X amount of pounds saved so if things don't go to plan I'm self sufficient, list is endless, infact it used to work on a point system, not sure if it still does and if you didn't get the required amount of points your application would be denied.

[qsducks]

Chezzie;1175494 wrote: No I am not voting for them Ducky, far too extreme views for my liking BUT they do have a couple of ideas that if were less fascist could work. Immigration in UK is killing us and we need to get a grip fast and control it more efficiently. We need to only allow folk in who can provide for themselves and not come here to leech off our benefit system. If I wanted to emigrate say to Canada or New Zealand say, I have to prove I have a skill that that country needs, that I have X amount of pounds saved so if things don't go to plan I'm self sufficient, list is endless, infact it used to work on a point system, not sure if it still does and if you didn't get the required amount of points your application would be denied.


Yeah, your not like that Chez, I know from reading your past posts. You seem very tolerant of others. BUT, we have the same problem...they come in from all over too and want all the bennies, etc. and they take our work for pennies a day. I don't even bother going to the ER anymore with the kids...we the working class who have insurance are bumped to last:-5. I wish they would do the same here with the skills, self sufficient, etc.:-5

[Oscar Namechange]

Chezzie;1175494 wrote: No I am not voting for them Ducky, far too extreme views for my liking BUT they do have a couple of ideas that if were less fascist could work. Immigration in UK is killing us and we need to get a grip fast and control it more efficiently. We need to only allow folk in who can provide for themselves and not come here to leech off our benefit system. If I wanted to emigrate say to Canada or New Zealand say, I have to prove I have a skill that that country needs, that I have X amount of pounds saved so if things don't go to plan I'm self sufficient, list is endless, infact it used to work on a point system, not sure if it still does and if you didn't get the required amount of points your application would be denied. If you look at the finer detail of BNP policy on immigration, they are saying exactly as you have just said. As i have said on another thread, my friends have nothing to fear from the BNP. They came here with their own money, bought houses and set up bussiness's which in turn they pay thousands a year for in tax. They have never applied for council housing or benifit. They learnt the language, embraced the British way of life and abide by British law. They also do not demand that we build a mosque in the middle of the village for them. :sneaky: The BNP has no problem here.

Interesting that Labour have just proposed the following on immigration:

Immigrants to be paid £3,000 to clear off home and never come back. The BNP would offer £100,000.

No immigrant to recieve any benifit handout until they have worked for two years.

No immigrant to be given a council house for ten years.

Too little too late.

[kazalala]

a Nick Griffin quote

Without the White race, nothing matters. [Other right-wing parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create 'Black Britons', while we affirm that non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last one has left our land."




Until every last one has left our land

[Oscar Namechange]

kazalala;1175514 wrote: a Nick Griffin quote



Until every last one has left our land The BNP policy today is the same as Enoch Powell proposed. Or do you think Enoch powell was a racist?

[kazalala]

oscar;1175518 wrote: The BNP policy today is the same as Enoch Powell proposed. Or do you think Enoch powell was a racist?


i dont understand this response sorry

[Oscar Namechange]

kazalala;1175520 wrote: i dont understand this response sorry No problem.... you have to be my age to remember Enoch Powell.

Rivers of Blood speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A link just incase anyone not my age would like to know why he caused such a storm in British politics in the 60's.

[kazalala]

oscar;1175524 wrote: No problem.... you have to be my age to remember Enoch Powell.

Rivers of Blood speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A link just incase anyone not my age would like to know why he caused such a storm in British politics in the 60's.


I do know about enoch powell, and have heard of his rivers of blood speech, i went off to look for it,, googled and found it on a national front website:rolleyes::yh_rotfl I still dont understand your response to my post,, i was showing how Nick Griffin seems to be contradictory,, as in you keep saying BNP has no problems with certain types of Immigrants,, and yet he is quoted as saying

Without the White race, nothing matters. [Other right-wing parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create 'Black Britons', while we affirm that non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last one has left our land."

[Bryn Mawr]

FUBAR;1175302 wrote: There should be a way to recall a government back for a vote when they get carried away with their dictatorial powers. Something like if you get fed up with your representative and you can get more people signing a petition with more signatures than their majority is they have to stand again. Or even better banning organized political parties as they have an inbuilt interest to stay in power rather than doing good for the country.


We had well over a million people petitioning against the war in Iraq saying they did not believe the lies that were being spouted and the bastards *still* went ahead and invaded.

Then, when the lies were proven to be lies they had the gaul to claim that they were "misled" as if the lies had been believable in the first place.

I'd agree with banning political parties but I can see no practical way of preventing secret alliances being formed and, short of moving away from the Parliamentary model completely, I'm slowly coming around to this new fangled idea of proportional representation and having as many parties as possible with subtle variations of policy competing for our votes against league tables showing manifesto promises kept and broken, levels of honesty and corruption etc.

[Bryn Mawr]

FUBAR;1175313 wrote: True. Politics is regarded as a job now with pensions,holidays etc. Maybe there should be a limit on how many times you can be an MP so professional ones will be gone. Or get rid of party whips. They are only there so people toe the party line instead of voting for what they believe in. Secret free voting would put a curb on some of the things that get through these days. The more you look at it party politics is destroying democracy more than anything else. It is self, party then country now more than ever.....-1


The voting must be open so that the people can see how closely the MPs are following the will of the people - secret votes would truly be the death of democracy.

Having said that, I cannot but agree that two (and a half) party politics is turning totally un-democratic and disenfranchising the vast majority of the population.

[Oscar Namechange]

kazalala;1175526 wrote: I do know about enoch powell, and have heard of his rivers of blood speech, i went off to look for it,, googled and found it on a national front website:rolleyes::yh_rotfl I still dont understand your response to my post,, i was showing how Nick Griffin seems to be contradictory,, as in you keep saying BNP has no problems with certain types of Immigrants,, and yet he is quoted as saying In any Party you get a firm statement. It does not cover the fringe elements of policy nor necessarily what members of the Party adhere to.

[kazalala]

oscar;1175539 wrote: In any Party you get a firm statement. It does not cover the fringe elements of policy nor necessarily what members of the Party adhere to.


Omg its no good carrying on with this converstaion,, its too late.,,, im afraid she is already a politician:rolleyes::(

[Bryn Mawr]

oscar;1175539 wrote: In any Party you get a firm statement. It does not cover the fringe elements of policy nor necessarily what members of the Party adhere to.


When it comes from the long time leader of the party it is the de-facto policy of the party.

When it is such a straightforward statement of intent it is anything but a "fringe element" of that policy.

[Oscar Namechange]

kazalala;1175542 wrote: Omg its no good carrying on with this converstaion,, its too late.,,, im afraid she is already a politician:rolleyes::( :wah: The lessons in how to avoid the bleeding obvious are paying off then? :yh_rotfl