This video may be of interest to not only Americans, but others as well, however, it's just one mans view of the forthcoming health care proposal that the Obama administration will propose.
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I'm not going to view this. Can you tell me, in a nutshell, what the problem with whatever this plan actually is?
Also, is Mr. Obama an absolute dictator, or have any other people had a hand th this thing>
Also, is Mr. Obama an absolute dictator, or have any other people had a hand th this thing>
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Lon;1184103 wrote: This video may be of interest to not only Americans, but others as well, however, it's just one mans view of the forthcoming health care proposal that the Obama administration will propose.
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I cannot imagine a more biased and distorted presentation of very few facts, a lot of non-sequiturs and zero logic.
Not impressed!
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I cannot imagine a more biased and distorted presentation of very few facts, a lot of non-sequiturs and zero logic.
Not impressed!
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Our health care system in the Uk is far from perfect and is fraught with problems, no less since this government of ours has shifted where the money goes from the shop floor, ie doctors, nurses and patients to the medical management, which is far too top heavy. But it does provide care for everyone, not exluding those that cannot afford to pay. We are not under the Jackboot of the profiteering medical insurance companies
I'm not sure how social health care would work for 3000,000,000 Americans but I heard nothing from Dick Morris that made any sense whatsoever. Just scaremongering. He started off saying..."Once we extend full health care to everyone that lives in the United States, you can never take it back " So is extending that health care such a bad thing. Of course not, surely.
Your system seems fine for those that are fully insured but Dick Morris said himself, that 50,000,000 people were not covered. They're not all illegal immigrants as he implied. Many of them must be uninsured for a variety of reasons.
I'm not sure how social health care would work for 3000,000,000 Americans but I heard nothing from Dick Morris that made any sense whatsoever. Just scaremongering. He started off saying..."Once we extend full health care to everyone that lives in the United States, you can never take it back " So is extending that health care such a bad thing. Of course not, surely.
Your system seems fine for those that are fully insured but Dick Morris said himself, that 50,000,000 people were not covered. They're not all illegal immigrants as he implied. Many of them must be uninsured for a variety of reasons.
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Bryn Mawr;1184122 wrote: I cannot imagine a more biased and distorted presentation of very few facts, a lot of non-sequiturs and zero logic.
Not impressed!
Well, the one thing that was spot on is the shortage of doctors and the increasing number of people that would be eligible for health care.
Not impressed!
Well, the one thing that was spot on is the shortage of doctors and the increasing number of people that would be eligible for health care.
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Bill Sikes;1184121 wrote: I'm not going to view this. Can you tell me, in a nutshell, what the problem with whatever this plan actually is?
Also, is Mr. Obama an absolute dictator, or have any other people had a hand th this thing>
Nutshell? You gotta be kiddin?
Also, is Mr. Obama an absolute dictator, or have any other people had a hand th this thing>
Nutshell? You gotta be kiddin?
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Snowfire;1184123 wrote: I'm not sure how social health care would work for 3000,000,000
Psst! You're about 2,700,000,000 Americans out! Shh! I won't tell anyone!
Psst! You're about 2,700,000,000 Americans out! Shh! I won't tell anyone!
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Lon;1184174 wrote: Nutshell? You gotta be kiddin?
Well, the main points, anyway?
Well, the main points, anyway?
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Bill Sikes;1184176 wrote: Psst! You're about 2,700,000,000 Americans out! Shh! I won't tell anyone!
Ah !
Maybe they have more illegal immigrants than first though
Ah !
Maybe they have more illegal immigrants than first though"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
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Snowfire;1184180 wrote:
Oh, it's only a triping errer, no need tor .
Have a nice mug of sherry, I'm about to - then hence to bed, once more t' enjoy tranquil repose, as they may or may not say Up North.
Oh, it's only a triping errer, no need tor
.Have a nice mug of sherry, I'm about to - then hence to bed, once more t' enjoy tranquil repose, as they may or may not say Up North.
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Lon;1184172 wrote: Well, the one thing that was spot on is the shortage of doctors and the increasing number of people that would be eligible for health care.
but that is under the existing system - who is to say that by changing the funding and motivation of the service the rate of uptake against the rate of loss would not change?
but that is under the existing system - who is to say that by changing the funding and motivation of the service the rate of uptake against the rate of loss would not change?
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If someone has never had a serious major health problem, I am not sure they have very good perspective on just what constitutes good health care. I have had major surgeries for Prostate Cancer (Prostatectomy), Gall Bladder Removal (Cholesystectomy), Thyroid Removal (Thyroidectomy), Cartilage Removal from right and left knees (Meniscectomy) and am currently being treated for Non Hodgkins Lymphoma (Waldenstrom's Disease). Despite all the foregoing I am in remarkably good shape and quite physically active at age 74. My wife has had Breast Cancer resulting in a Partial Mastectomy with Breast Reconstruction. Not all hospitals, clinics and doctors are equal in their facilities and skill level. I am fortuante to have been able to seek out the best for both my wife and myself and have it covered by Private Insurance prior to Medicare and since retiring, Medicare and Private Insurance. My concerns about any future health plans in the US is purely selfish on my part. I want nothing less than what I have been able to receive in the past.
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Bryn Mawr;1184196 wrote: but that is under the existing system - who is to say that by changing the funding and motivation of the service the rate of uptake against the rate of loss would not change?
It's the motivation of the service that many are concerned about.
It's the motivation of the service that many are concerned about.
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Lon;1184205 wrote: It's the motivation of the service that many are concerned about.
Do you see it as a job or a vocation?
Do you see it as a job or a vocation?
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Bryn Mawr;1184207 wrote: Do you see it as a job or a vocation?
Sorry Bryn, but you have lost me---I am not following you.
Sorry Bryn, but you have lost me---I am not following you.
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Lon;1184223 wrote: Sorry Bryn, but you have lost me---I am not following you.
What is the motive for people to enter the profession?
One of the sad things over here is that many become doctors and nurses because they believe in what they are doing only to be taken advantage of by successive cheapskate governments who paid them far less than they were worth.
Given that it is a far more commercial operation in the US I wondered whether there was any vocational element in staff recruitment over there.
Total side issue - the main point is that the OP was stretching logic by claiming that, because under the present, insurance based, commercial system the number of staff was not rising it directly followed that, under a new social system, colonoscopies would be banned and more people would die of colon cancer as a result.
What is the motive for people to enter the profession?
One of the sad things over here is that many become doctors and nurses because they believe in what they are doing only to be taken advantage of by successive cheapskate governments who paid them far less than they were worth.
Given that it is a far more commercial operation in the US I wondered whether there was any vocational element in staff recruitment over there.
Total side issue - the main point is that the OP was stretching logic by claiming that, because under the present, insurance based, commercial system the number of staff was not rising it directly followed that, under a new social system, colonoscopies would be banned and more people would die of colon cancer as a result.
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Bryn Mawr;1184292 wrote: What is the motive for people to enter the profession? I don't truly believe it's all about money.
The schooling is long and demanding. Litagation against doctors turns many away. Many MD's have left medicine and changed careers. Some have gone to Oz and NZ. My NZ doc is a Yank.
One of the sad things over here is that many become doctors and nurses because they believe in what they are doing only to be taken advantage of by successive cheapskate governments who paid them far less than they were worth. US Medicare is not very generous in paying doctors eitherr.
Given that it is a far more commercial operation in the US I wondered whether there was any vocational element in staff recruitment over there.
Total side issue - the main point is that the OP was stretching logic by claiming that, because under the present, insurance based, commercial system the number of staff was not rising it directly followed that, under a new social system, colonoscopies would be banned and more people would die of colon cancer as a result.
I fully expect that there would be a rationing of benefits and procedures.
The schooling is long and demanding. Litagation against doctors turns many away. Many MD's have left medicine and changed careers. Some have gone to Oz and NZ. My NZ doc is a Yank.
One of the sad things over here is that many become doctors and nurses because they believe in what they are doing only to be taken advantage of by successive cheapskate governments who paid them far less than they were worth. US Medicare is not very generous in paying doctors eitherr.
Given that it is a far more commercial operation in the US I wondered whether there was any vocational element in staff recruitment over there.
Total side issue - the main point is that the OP was stretching logic by claiming that, because under the present, insurance based, commercial system the number of staff was not rising it directly followed that, under a new social system, colonoscopies would be banned and more people would die of colon cancer as a result.
I fully expect that there would be a rationing of benefits and procedures.
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Lon;1184172 wrote: Well, the one thing that was spot on is the shortage of doctors and the increasing number of people that would be eligible for health care.
The shortage of doctors in my state is because of high insurance premiums. They have closed several hospitals in the city because of it.:-5
The shortage of doctors in my state is because of high insurance premiums. They have closed several hospitals in the city because of it.:-5
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Lon;1184358 wrote: I fully expect that there would be a rationing of benefits and procedures.
Then the presenter should have demonstrated that it would be so - not treated the viewers as gullible idiots who wouldn't know a rational argument if they saw one.
Truly, even if he had the most valid points ever presented, I would disbelieve them purely because of they way he tried to put them over.
Then the presenter should have demonstrated that it would be so - not treated the viewers as gullible idiots who wouldn't know a rational argument if they saw one.
Truly, even if he had the most valid points ever presented, I would disbelieve them purely because of they way he tried to put them over.
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Bryn Mawr;1184464 wrote: Then the presenter should have demonstrated that it would be so - not treated the viewers as gullible idiots who wouldn't know a rational argument if they saw one.
Truly, even if he had the most valid points ever presented, I would disbelieve them purely because of they way he tried to put them over.
All proposals of future health care and it's results in the U.S. tend to be mere speculation without basis in fact, as are critiques of such proposals. What is carved in rock, is present and past health care. Discriminating because of the way some facts are presented is quite discriminatory and tends to show bias.
Truly, even if he had the most valid points ever presented, I would disbelieve them purely because of they way he tried to put them over.
All proposals of future health care and it's results in the U.S. tend to be mere speculation without basis in fact, as are critiques of such proposals. What is carved in rock, is present and past health care. Discriminating because of the way some facts are presented is quite discriminatory and tends to show bias.
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Im not watching either.
Ive seen enough distortion.
The Republican party is in disarray. They arent even good at poop throwing right now. Rush Limmouth is pushing for Palin in 2012 and theyre listening.....nuff said. The empire is crumbling.
Ive seen enough distortion.
The Republican party is in disarray. They arent even good at poop throwing right now. Rush Limmouth is pushing for Palin in 2012 and theyre listening.....nuff said. The empire is crumbling.
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Lon;1184511 wrote: All proposals of future health care and it's results in the U.S. tend to be mere speculation without basis in fact, as are critiques of such proposals. What is carved in rock, is present and past health care. Discriminating because of the way some facts are presented is quite discriminatory and tends to show bias.
Too true it's bias - bias towards factual presentation and against propaganda.
If you (the presenter of the clip) want to influence me then present me with facts - don't try to twist logic to frighten me.
The clip you posted made no attempt to inform, it just tried to influence opinion using emotive trigger words and non-sequiturs.
Too true it's bias - bias towards factual presentation and against propaganda.
If you (the presenter of the clip) want to influence me then present me with facts - don't try to twist logic to frighten me.
The clip you posted made no attempt to inform, it just tried to influence opinion using emotive trigger words and non-sequiturs.
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Bryn Mawr;1184529 wrote: emotive trigger words and non-sequiturs.
Its not everyday you get to throw that out there.
Its not everyday you get to throw that out there.
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Nomad;1184516 wrote: Im not watching either.
Ive seen enough distortion.
The Republican party is in disarray. They arent even good at poop throwing right now. Rush Limmouth is pushing for Palin in 2012 and theyre listening.....nuff said. The empire is crumbling.
Limbaugh has lost his mind------and when he first got stated in Sacramento, California (before moving to the Big Apple) I listened to him regularly and thought he was pretty good. Recent years? BLAGH!! He has either done a 360 or I have.
Ive seen enough distortion.
The Republican party is in disarray. They arent even good at poop throwing right now. Rush Limmouth is pushing for Palin in 2012 and theyre listening.....nuff said. The empire is crumbling.
Limbaugh has lost his mind------and when he first got stated in Sacramento, California (before moving to the Big Apple) I listened to him regularly and thought he was pretty good. Recent years? BLAGH!! He has either done a 360 or I have.
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Bryn Mawr;1184529 wrote: Too true it's bias - bias towards factual presentation and against propaganda.
If you (the presenter of the clip) want to influence me then present me with facts - don't try to twist logic to frighten me.
The clip you posted made no attempt to inform, it just tried to influence opinion using emotive trigger words and non-sequiturs.
I happen to disagree with the clip---------I presented it merely for feedback. I will often post things with which I disagree to see what others think. I don't think that I ever stated anywhere in my posts on this video that I agreed with the presenter. It's well known here in the states that Dick Morris (the presenter) is no Obama supporter. All of his columns and TV commentary are slanted.
If you (the presenter of the clip) want to influence me then present me with facts - don't try to twist logic to frighten me.
The clip you posted made no attempt to inform, it just tried to influence opinion using emotive trigger words and non-sequiturs.
I happen to disagree with the clip---------I presented it merely for feedback. I will often post things with which I disagree to see what others think. I don't think that I ever stated anywhere in my posts on this video that I agreed with the presenter. It's well known here in the states that Dick Morris (the presenter) is no Obama supporter. All of his columns and TV commentary are slanted.
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Lon;1184583 wrote: I happen to disagree with the clip---------I presented it merely for feedback. I will often post things with which I disagree to see what others think. I don't think that I ever stated anywhere in my posts on this video that I agreed with the presenter. It's well known here in the states that Dick Morris (the presenter) is no Obama supporter. All of his columns and TV commentary are slanted.
I had not assumed that you did - that's why I specifically made clear that my remarks related to the presenter and not to you.
I had not assumed that you did - that's why I specifically made clear that my remarks related to the presenter and not to you.
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Lon;1184579 wrote: Limbaugh has lost his mind------and when he first got stated in Sacramento, California (before moving to the Big Apple) I listened to him regularly and thought he was pretty good. Recent years? BLAGH!! He has either done a 360 or I have.
I truly believe he is mentally ill. Im not being viscous. I think he has a disorder. Maybe its the wickedness that comes from ego and notoriety.
People begin to believe the praise. Overall it cant be healthy.
I truly believe he is mentally ill. Im not being viscous. I think he has a disorder. Maybe its the wickedness that comes from ego and notoriety.
People begin to believe the praise. Overall it cant be healthy.
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