£16,000 a year benefits not enough to live on the A.A grumpy column

Post by **pantoandy** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:00 am

good afternoonand welcome back to grumpy mansion.

tea and cake be ok ???.

afterwards we could debate this story which i find incredible but i,ll bite my tongue

for now untill i reach the bottom of the page.

A TEENAGE mum who left her £1million family home at 14 to have a baby with a Big Issue seller is demanding more handouts.

Solicitor’s daughter Catherine Scott fell pregnant by the 29-year-old magazine worker she met at a train station.

Four years later, she has given birth to twins by another man more than twice her age, and believes taxpayers should foot the bill.

She and unemployed fiancé Dean Evans, 40, already live in a three-bedroom flat in Margate, Kent, with newborn twins Amber and Presley set to join them.

But Catherine, who left a family home in Sevenoaks, Kent, believes the council should provide them with a four-bedroom house in a posher area.

She and Dean, who has five other children by three ex-wives, are also demanding more benefits and say that £16,000 a year is “not enough to live on”.

“It’s a farce,” Catherine told Closer Magazine. “We’re not being fussy but we don’t know anyone here and there are 52 steps up to our front door.

“We also have to share the garden with six neighbours.” Catherine admitted she refused to attend school from the age of 12 and became pregnant a year later.

She gave birth to a son at 14 but after six months left him with her parents, Katherine and John, saying she could not cope.

She moved in with a friend and had an affair with her pal’s then-husband, Dean, in 2007.

The couple – who compare themselves to celebrity parents Brad Pitt, 45, and Angelina Jolie, 33 – have already been evicted from one flat for not paying their rent and claim their human rights have been breached because the council will not rehouse them.

But Catherine, a smoker, insists she’ll “make a good mum this time”. She added: “I’m a natural with the twins because I’m more grown up. I can’t wait to take my babies out of the hospital to show them off.

“We’ll be OK – we’ll get child benefit, child tax credits and milk tokens.

“We don’t want the twins to turn out like us. We want them to do well at school.

“I didn’t, because I left at 12, and now Dean’s 13-year-old son Dylan is better at maths than me. Of course, if Amber fell pregnant when she was young I’d support her, but I’d rather she was a ballet dancer or a model.”

Dean, who claims to have slept with more than 200 women and aspires to have 10 children, pays no child maintenance since being injured at work in September 2006.

He said he is hoping for a £200,000 compensation payout to give his new family a “good start”.

And he added: “I do my best on my benefits, but more money would be nice. I got a crisis loan off the DSS and topped it up with the Government maternity grant so I could get them nice stuff.

“More than £1,000 went on clothes – I got Presley a Spurs kit and bib. I also bought a double buggy, a couple of cots and a new puppy.”

Catherine’s sister Charlotte, 20, spoke out from the Scott family home. “What has she done now, for God’s sake?” she said. “We do not want to talk about her.”

Catherine gave birth by caesarean at Pembury Hospital in Kent 11 days ago.

Her fiancé was not present at the birth but he sent his ex-wife Sue Blake, 51, who he broke up with in 1998, to hold her hand.

Catherine now plans to have Amber and Presley’s names tattooed on her shoulders.

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what a pair of scrounging ratbags they get everything laid on for them milk glasses council tax and rent paid and still they want more !!!!!

a house in a posher area incredible i cannot believe the gall of these pair of ratbags.

and to quote layabout dean quote who claims to have slept with more than 200 women and aspires to have 10 children, pays no child maintenance since being injured at work in September 2006.

He said he is hoping for a £200,000 compensation payout to give his new family a “good start”.

And he added: “I do my best on my benefits, but more money would be nice. I got a crisis loan off the DSS and topped it up with the Government maternity grant so I could get them nice stuff.

“More than £1,000 went on clothes – I got Presley a Spurs kit and bib. I also bought a double buggy, a couple of cots and a new puppy.” unquote .

thats more than most families working and on benefits can aford !.

how the hell do they justify a £1,000 to spend on clothes ?

most children are happy enough with a pair of £3.00 jeans from tesco thats what i buy for myself yet i imagine all their clothes will be named designer gear.

when my daughter emily came along we bought quite a few second hand bits for her my eldest son was the same.

even at xmas we bought a toy market stall and baby annabell for emily granted they where second hand but in good condition and she loves them.

this benefits culture needs to be stopped .

i dont know about giving them more money but i,d kick that idle layabout dean off his arse and make him get a job and earn his keep.

i,d give him a month to find a job or stop his benefits that,d soon dampen his asperations to have 10 children all kept by the state.

excuse me while i go and bang my head against the wall :-5 .

AAG

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:22 am

Oscar shall return soon to join in your disgust

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:11 am

As a pensioner that started work at 15, paid into a private pension, have a mortgage to pay etc and living on £11,000 per year these stories make my blood boil. I'd love to have £300 a week to live on !

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed May 13, 2009 3:06 pm

Our benifit system is a joke. It disgusts me that there are so many area's that could benifit from government investment such as youth activities and pensioners yet we give our tax payers money away to the likes of these people.

What i believe has been lacking in this country for many years is family commitment. There was a time when if your offspring was out of work or preganant, it was un-thinkable that they would expect hand-outs unless in real dire need. Instead, the family unit would rally round, chip in and get on with it themselves.

I'm particually annoyed with this story due to my families circumstances. My nephew has fathered a baby at the ages of 15 yrs old. His girlfriend went in a mother and baby unit and my family didn't like her being there. She was promptly moved out two days ago to move in with my sister. This forfits her right to a council flat and benifits. My sister has her own children to feed but there was not a doubt when it was decided that the mother should not be in the unit dependent on benifit. That's what families should do in times like this. The girl in the article should have been the responsibility of her parents and family and not the tax payer. Some of the mothers in that mother and baby unit have been there for months and some in bed and breakfast for up to 3 years depending on the area and availability of council accomodation. when they do get it, it may be a dingy flat in a tower block. This girl wants a biggger house. How about placing her kids in care until he gets a job?

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Wed May 13, 2009 3:34 pm

Completely agree. This is disgusting. It's just the sort of thing Quinnscommentary points out as the result of welfare and in this sort of case he's right. (I am still glad we operate a Welfare State, though!)

Reckon Oscar's right and the kids would be better off in care until the parents have had a good dose of reality. Even then, it might be too late. Do wonder what sort of a job the solicitor parents did to produce a girl as stupid and arrogant as this.

Note: remember the babies are innocent.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:06 pm

Bez;1187971 wrote: As a pensioner that started work at 15, paid into a private pension, have a mortgage to pay etc and living on £11,000 per year these stories make my blood boil. I'd love to have £300 a week to live on !

These stories are supposed to make your blood boil and wind you up, just so you'll become hateful and prejudice against people. So when they round them all up and take them to prison camps you won't batter an eyelid ......"because they brought it on themselves."

Just a different way of looking at it.

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Thu May 14, 2009 12:42 am

fuzzywuzzy;1188293 wrote: These stories are supposed to make your blood boil and wind you up, just so you'll become hateful and prejudice against people. So when they round them all up and take them to prison camps you won't batter an eyelid ......"because they brought it on themselves."

Just a different way of looking at it.

I'm neither prejudiced or hateful towards people but resent their greed and arrogance and the fact that they're living off our hard earned taxes.

There are many genuine cases that rely on benefits.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 14, 2009 6:13 am

Bez;1188401 wrote: I'm neither prejudiced or hateful towards people but resent their greed and arrogance and the fact that they're living off our hard earned taxes.

There are many genuine cases that rely on benefits. Your right Bez. The welfare state was introduced as a safety net for those in dire need, not a lifestyle.

I also resent their greed and arrogance and i wouldn't be surprised if the parents of this obnoxious scrounging parasite washed their hands of her because they knew darn well our welfare state would pick the tab up instead of them having to put their hands in their pockets.

As i said in my previous post, my nephews girlfriend and baby were put in the mother and baby unit. It wasn't entirely safe there and it just wasn't what the family wanted for the baby (in my avitar with me) so their was no question that she should move in with my sister. Not only does this stop her being dependent on benifit for years, it means my sis can have the baby if she wants to work a few hours a week which is what she wants to do. We are not the worlds perfect family but in times like this we rally round and all chip in. It's what all families should do.

If i had a £1 for all the times i've heard people say 'I'm entitled to this, I'm entitled to that'.

I have an extremely odious neighbour very similar to this woman and as soon as she gets her giro, she's down the supermarket stocking up on cheap booze.

The Tories were talking about radical change to the welfare system where these young families are given food vouchers instead of just cash handouts.

What i'd like to see is.... if the parents of any teenage girl getting pregnant are working and earning good money and if they refuse to put their hands in their pockets to fund their daughter and new grand-child..... then hike their income tax up to 60%.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Thu May 14, 2009 6:16 am

oscar;1188496 wrote:

The Tories were talking about radical change to the welfare system where these young families are given food vouchers instead of just cash handouts.

I'd agree with that in principle. Why I should subsidise someones cigarrette and alcahol dependancy, I dont know

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 14, 2009 6:20 am

Snowfire;1188498 wrote: I'd agree with that in principle. Why I should subsidise someones cigarrette and alcahol dependancy, I dont know When i look at my neighbour and i see dirty ragged children and her smoking and drinking all day and night, I'm in favour of it.

The problem is that in America where there is the system, it is easy to sell food vouchers on. It would need a water tight system here to stop to same. I did like the idea of vouchers that could only be used on utility bills also.

Post by **pantoandy** » Fri May 15, 2009 2:13 am

what a bloody good idea oscar

food vouchers you can spend only at tesco with your name and clubcard number on the voucher and you must have a photo i.d card to use them any other ideas ????

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Fri May 15, 2009 3:05 am

pantoandy;1189043 wrote: what a bloody good idea oscar

food vouchers you can spend only at tesco with your name and clubcard number on the voucher and you must have a photo i.d card to use them any other ideas ????

I want value for my tax so I'd rather it was Lidls or Aldis

A photo card can be done cheaply and easily. Maybe if it was in a form of a swipe card that was topped up the the DHSS every week, that would work.The supermarket could monitor quite easily so no cigarettes and alcohol were sold

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 15, 2009 5:17 am

Snowfire;1189056 wrote: I want value for my tax so I'd rather it was Lidls or Aldis

A photo card can be done cheaply and easily. Maybe if it was in a form of a swipe card that was topped up the the DHSS every week, that would work.The supermarket could monitor quite easily so no cigarettes and alcohol were sold
Sainsbury for the Oscar's. Tesco is where working class people with germs go

Although Mr O is not averse to the odd snoop around Lidle and Asda.

Yes, it could be monitered as you said. If we all end up with ID cards soon then i can't see too many problems.

I like the idea of vouchers also that can only be redeemed in rent and power bills. This might stop my neighbour being threatened with eviction due to rent arrears and coming down my house to borrow ten quid because her electric ran out and the kids had no light or heat in the house. :-5 Or her little boy not knowing the difference between an apple and a pear in my fruit bowl :-5

Another thing that hacks me off...... why do folk on benifit not just have one or two cats and a dog but 6 cats and a Rottweiller. Then they are too bone idle to walk the thing? :-5:-5

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Fri May 15, 2009 5:26 am

oscar;1189089 wrote: I like the idea of vouchers also that can only be redeemed in rent

Local Authorities will pay landlords direct for accommodation. This seems to be a good thing (unlike many of their tenants).

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 15, 2009 5:34 am

Bill Sikes;1189090 wrote: Local Authorities will pay landlords direct for accommodation. This seems to be a good thing (unlike many of their tenants). Yes but unfortunately, they do still have the choice of weather they want the rent sent to them in a giro or paid direct. If they insisted that all rent was paid direct, we wouldn't have this problem.