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farmer giles
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having been to a few football matches and been run down by police horses and struck with police battons ... yes it happens :thinking:

this a couple of years ago when i was in my mid forties and without any lawfull reason what so ever :mad:



it seems some one has fought back about some of the thugs in blue



we all know they have a hard job to do but they must not be or seen to be above the law ... shame one of the fg three is not here to debate this really :sneaky::sneaky:



Interesting press release from the FSF. Ok, this wasn't a Spurs fan but it shows what can happen and that fans CAN have a say when badly treated.

Stoke City supporter awarded £2,750 compensation following unlawful police action.

Stoke City fan Lyndon Edwards, 38, has been awarded £2,750 in compensation following unlawful police action in Manchester last year.

Greater Manchester Police (GMP) used section 27 of the Violent Crime

Reduction Act to round up more than 80 Stoke City fans prior to their club`s

Premier League tie with Manchester United match at Old Trafford on Saturday, 15 November, 2008.

Even though Stoke`s fans had been well-behaved - the pub landlord made no complaints and has since invited them back - supporters were detained for up to four hours and forcibly transported by the police back to Stoke-on-Trent on coaches, missing the game.

Deprived of toilet facilities on the coach, Lyndon and his fellow supporters were instructed to urinate into cups, which spilled over the floor of the bus so that they had to sit with urine sloshing around their feet for the 40-mile journey back.

Stoke City fan Lyndon contacted the Football Supporters` Federation (FSF) to complain about his appalling treatment at the hands of the GMP.

The FSF teamed up with civil-rights organisation Liberty and took GMP`s use of section 27 to judicial review. GMP have conceded that the legislation was never intended to be used on large groups of people.

Its original purpose was to target individuals or small groups displaying drunken behaviour - something the police showed no evidence for in this case.

The case has huge implications for all football supporters across England and Wales. The FSF had heard of an increasing number of police forces using this illegal tactic to effectively impose football banning orders at will across entire counties.

In a remarkably similar case South Yorkshire Police has also agreed to compensate Plymouth Argyle fans unjustly served section 27 orders following their team`s visit to Doncaster Rovers on Saturday, 6 December, 2008. The level of compensation is still being negotiated.

Lyndon Edwards, Stoke City fan, said: 'I am very pleased that the GMP has conceded they were in the wrong and satisfied with the compensation awarded. Hopefully the forthcoming judicial review will have a positive outcome for football supporters too and prevent section 27 from being used in this manner again.

'I would like to take this opportunity to thank the FSF and Liberty for all of their hard work and support which has been absolutely vital to a satisfactory outcome.'

'I`d also like to thank Stoke City who offered to underwrite £20,000 of Lyndon`s legal costs, great credit should go to both Tony Scholes and Peter Coates at Stoke.'

Malcolm Clarke, chair of the FSF, said: 'We are delighted that as a result of the FSF and Liberty Stoke fans who suffered this appalling treatment are now receiving financial compensation. Police need to think very carefully in future before ever using this legislation inappropriately on football supporters ever again.

'This is an important victory for football fans everywhere - not just those at Stoke City. We were of hearing more and more similar cases from fans across the country but since Lyndon`s case went to court these seem to have stopped.'

'I`d also like to thank Stoke City who offered to underwrite £20,000 of Lyndon`s legal costs, great credit should go to both Tony Scholes and Peter Coates at Stoke.'

James Welch, legal director at Liberty, said: 'This is yet another example of overly broad powers being used inappropriately. If you give the police powers that are not tightly defined, they are going to abuse them. Congratulations to the FSF for raising this important issue.'
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farmer giles;1202208 wrote: having been to a few football matches and been run down by police horses and struck with police battons ... yes it happens :thinking:

this a couple of years ago when i was in my mid forties and without any lawfull reason what so ever :mad:



it seems some one has fought back about some of the thugs in blue



we all know they have a hard job to do but they must not be or seen to be above the law ... shame one of the fg three is not here to debate this really :sneaky::sneaky:



Interesting press release from the FSF. Ok, this wasn't a Spurs fan but it shows what can happen and that fans CAN have a say when badly treated.

Stoke City supporter awarded £2,750 compensation following unlawful police action.

Stoke City fan Lyndon Edwards, 38, has been awarded £2,750 in compensation following unlawful police action in Manchester last year.

Greater Manchester Police (GMP) used section 27 of the Violent Crime

Reduction Act to round up more than 80 Stoke City fans prior to their club`s

Premier League tie with Manchester United match at Old Trafford on Saturday, 15 November, 2008.

Even though Stoke`s fans had been well-behaved - the pub landlord made no complaints and has since invited them back - supporters were detained for up to four hours and forcibly transported by the police back to Stoke-on-Trent on coaches, missing the game.

Deprived of toilet facilities on the coach, Lyndon and his fellow supporters were instructed to urinate into cups, which spilled over the floor of the bus so that they had to sit with urine sloshing around their feet for the 40-mile journey back.

Stoke City fan Lyndon contacted the Football Supporters` Federation (FSF) to complain about his appalling treatment at the hands of the GMP.

The FSF teamed up with civil-rights organisation Liberty and took GMP`s use of section 27 to judicial review. GMP have conceded that the legislation was never intended to be used on large groups of people.

Its original purpose was to target individuals or small groups displaying drunken behaviour - something the police showed no evidence for in this case.

The case has huge implications for all football supporters across England and Wales. The FSF had heard of an increasing number of police forces using this illegal tactic to effectively impose football banning orders at will across entire counties.

In a remarkably similar case South Yorkshire Police has also agreed to compensate Plymouth Argyle fans unjustly served section 27 orders following their team`s visit to Doncaster Rovers on Saturday, 6 December, 2008. The level of compensation is still being negotiated.

Lyndon Edwards, Stoke City fan, said: 'I am very pleased that the GMP has conceded they were in the wrong and satisfied with the compensation awarded. Hopefully the forthcoming judicial review will have a positive outcome for football supporters too and prevent section 27 from being used in this manner again.

'I would like to take this opportunity to thank the FSF and Liberty for all of their hard work and support which has been absolutely vital to a satisfactory outcome.'

'I`d also like to thank Stoke City who offered to underwrite £20,000 of Lyndon`s legal costs, great credit should go to both Tony Scholes and Peter Coates at Stoke.'

Malcolm Clarke, chair of the FSF, said: 'We are delighted that as a result of the FSF and Liberty Stoke fans who suffered this appalling treatment are now receiving financial compensation. Police need to think very carefully in future before ever using this legislation inappropriately on football supporters ever again.

'This is an important victory for football fans everywhere - not just those at Stoke City. We were of hearing more and more similar cases from fans across the country but since Lyndon`s case went to court these seem to have stopped.'

'I`d also like to thank Stoke City who offered to underwrite £20,000 of Lyndon`s legal costs, great credit should go to both Tony Scholes and Peter Coates at Stoke.'

James Welch, legal director at Liberty, said: 'This is yet another example of overly broad powers being used inappropriately. If you give the police powers that are not tightly defined, they are going to abuse them. Congratulations to the FSF for raising this important issue.'


dear god ,, the thread i just put up is only one sentence long,,, how can i compete fgs!:p:p:D




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Victoria
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Post by Victoria »

They do have a hard job and being faced with thousands of fans looking for a fight must be un nerving.

Having said that they are supposed to be trained professionals and not yobs with sticks as some of them seem to think.

A couple of years ago after a pub brawl following a match my brother and several others were hauled in simply because of the team shirts they were wearing.

My brother spent several hours in a cell without any idea why he was there.

He was denied legal advice, a phone call or any information.

It was CCTV that got him off the hook the fan involved took off his shirt before injuring another man.. The thugs bare back was in plain view, my brother stood up and took off his shirt to reveal a large tattoo asking 'do you think I did this myself while in the cell'? 'No, well f... off then'

They had no option but to let him go ( no apology) but I dread to think what they may have wrongly charged him with had he not so clearly been innocent .
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Post by Sunshine »

kazalala;1202217 wrote: dear god ,, the thread i just put up is only one sentence long,,, how can i compete fgs!:p:p:D


Sometimes, all it takes is one sentence to get an idea across Kaz.
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