are the BNP to blame ???

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:10 am

100 romanians have been forced to flee their homes after racial attacks

is this the thin edge of the wedge ,is this the start of racial aggro being the norm :-5:-5:-5:mad:

Around 100 people forced to shelter in a leisure centre following racist violence

More than 100 Romanians have been forced to flee their homes in south Belfast after a series of racist attacks.

Police have now moved the group of 20 families, including one with a five-day-old girl, to a council-run leisure centre, where they will remain for the rest of the day. The families earlier took refuge in a church hall.

For days they had suffered racist abuse from youths claiming to be members of the neo-Nazi group Combat 18, who hurled bricks at their windows and chanted racist slogans.

The families decided to flee after an anti-racist demonstration held in solidarity was disrupted by youths who threw bottles and made Nazi salutes.

Gordon Brown condemned the attacks and said he hoped the authorities were taking appropriate measures to protect the families.

Martin McGuinness, the Deputy First Minister, described the events as “totally shameful.

"We need a collective effort to face down this criminals in society who are quite clearly intent on preying on vulnerable women and children, he said.

Many families are now too scared to return to their homes and are considering leaving Northern Ireland.

Lord Mayor Naomi Long said she hoped the families would not be “driven from Belfast.

They have a right to be in Belfast. They are part of the fabric of this city. I want to see them treated with the respect and dignity that I would demand for any other citizen," she said.

"This is a small number of people who are engaged in this violence. I understand this is cold comfort to the people affected by it."

Malcom Morgan, the pastor of the church where the Romanians sheltered, said the families were welcome to return again.

"It's a sad indictment of our society, but hopefully we can show them a different side to Northern Ireland and a caring side of Northern Ireland," he said.

A spokeswoman for the Police Service of Northern Ireland said: "Police in the south Belfast area assisted several organisations in the temporary relocation of a number of families following consultation with community representatives.

"Families moved to a near-by church and they are being cared for by the appropriate agencies."

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:11 am

i also blame oscer and that bnp moron from here :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:23 am

I dont know if they are directly involved. Its probably the local racist arsholes. I'm sure they'll be cheering from the wings though. You cant expect much else from a leader who names his dogs, Anne and Frank. The Irony's not lost on me for sure

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:27 am

Snowfire;1204461 wrote: I dont know if they are directly involved. Its probably the local racist arsholes. I'm sure they'll be cheering from the wings though. You cant expect much else from a leader who names his dogs, Anne and Frank. The Irony's not lost on me for sure

anne franks the horrible sod

:mad:

i'm afraid this how it will start assoles spouting out racist crap till it seems the norm

then there will be fewer protests then who will stop the new nazi's

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:32 am

The community should swarm them with kindness and offers of friendship allegience and solidarity to counter balance the effects of terror. The immediate neighborhood should form a watch and be in close contact with the police and officials. Pictures should be taken and the filth arrested and sued.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:38 am

The Province has long been a place of bigots. Of all persuasions.There are Loyalist orginisations with allegancies with the far right groups such as the BNP.The Romanians are just another group for these bigots to target.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:17 pm

This is complete and utter bollocks and anti-BNP propoganda.

Combat 18 are an expelled splinter group of the BNP that they have no tie's to.

This is an outright attack on the BNP to even suggest they are linked.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:47 pm

oscar;1204511 wrote: This is complete and utter bollocks and anti-BNP propoganda.

Combat 18 are an expelled splinter group of the BNP that they have no tie's to.

This is an outright attack on the BNP to even suggest they are linked.

chuckle :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

now now nazi :yh_rotfl

i do believe the thread title says are the BNP to blame :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:01 pm

farmer giles;1204539 wrote: chuckle :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

now now nazi :yh_rotfl

i do believe the thread title says are the BNP to blame :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl You also said you blame Oscar and the BNP moron...... the name's Griffin..... Nick Griffin by the way.

If the title of the thread is 'ARE' the BNP to blame, then the answer is NO..... they are not. They have no tie's to Combat 18.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:11 pm

oscar;1204548 wrote: You also said you blame Oscar and the BNP moron...... the name's Griffin..... Nick Griffin by the way.

If the title of the thread is 'ARE' the BNP to blame, then the answer is NO..... they are not. They have no tie's to Combat 18.

as you well know my little nazi know all ... the question i asked was are the BNP to blame for the rise in race hate in these islands

what does bnp stand for any way bristol nazi party :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:35 pm

farmer giles;1204555 wrote: as you well know my little nazi know all ... the question i asked was are the BNP to blame for the rise in race hate in these islands

what does bnp stand for any way bristol nazi party :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotflFirst of all Baldy wankerer........ The article is not suggesting that the attacks were carried out by the BNP and as i have already said, Combat 18 are a splinter group of expelled members of the BNP. The word 'expelled' should be a clue for you.

Besides which, i actually put this attack down to a bunch of yobs claiming they are linked to Combat 18 rather than real members. This certainly is not the MO of the BNP.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:41 pm

oscar;1204582 wrote: First of all Baldy wankerer........ The article is not suggesting that the attacks were carried out by the BNP and as i have already said, Combat 18 are a splinter group of expelled members of the BNP. The word 'expelled' should be a clue for you.

Besides which, i actually put this attack down to a bunch of yobs claiming they are linked to Combat 18 rather than real members. This certainly is not the MO of the BNP.

IRA the real IRA

BNP combat 18 its all the same to me and every other right minded person :rolleyes:

combat 18 gets its name from the positions in the alphabet of hitlers initials 1 =A for adolf 8 =H for hitler

and your beloved race hate moron has his dogs names anne franks

another one of the millions of victims of hitlers race hating master race

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:47 pm

farmer giles;1204588 wrote: IRA the real IRA

BNP combat 18 its all the same to me and every other right minded person :rolleyes:

combat 18 gets its name from the positions in the alphabet of hitlers initials 1 =A for adolf 8 =H for hitler

and your beloved race hate moron has his dogs names anne franks

another one of the millions of victims of hitlers race hating master race

I am very aware of BNP policy but there is nothing to suggest for a moment that the BNP are linked to the incident in the article. I don't really give a toss what or how Combat 18 got their name as they are nothing to do with the BNP.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:50 pm

oscar;1204594 wrote: I am very aware of BNP policy but there is nothing to suggest for a moment that the BNP are linked to the incident in the article. I don't really give a toss what or how Combat 18 got their name as they are nothing to do with the BNP.

they both love adof hitler they both incite racial hatred they are both vile scum

:D

hating people because of the colour of their skin or the country they are from is vile beyond belief :-6:-6

Chookie · Post by **Chookie** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:52 pm

oscar;1204594 wrote: I am very aware of BNP policy but there is nothing to suggest for a moment that the BNP are linked to the incident in the article. I don't really give a toss what or how Combat 18 got their name as they are nothing to do with the BNP.
Yes they are.

Combat 18 is the BNP version of the SA (Sturm Abteilung). Like the SA, they have no direct link (now) so their activities are deniable by their bosses.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:56 pm

how about this then oscar fuhrer :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

BBC News | PANORAMA | Ex-Combat 18 man speaks out

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:58 pm

farmer giles;1204597 wrote: they both love adof hitler they both incite racial hatred they are both vile scum

:D

hating people because of the colour of their skin or the country they are from is vile beyond belief :-6:-6 Sorry Brcknell man but you seem to have the BNP policy totally out of context. BNP do not hate some-one because of the colour of their skin..... that is bollocks. They are oppossed to uncontrolled mass immigration that this countrie can not sustain. As do the UKIP party. There is a world of difference.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:59 pm

oscar;1204606 wrote: Sorry Brcknell man but you seem to have the BNP policy totally out of context. BNP do not hate some-one because of the colour of their skin..... that is bollocks. They are oppossed to uncontrolled mass immigration that this countrie can not sustain. As do the UKIP party. There is a world of difference.

total hogwash and you know it :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:07 pm

farmer giles;1204605 wrote: how about this then oscar fuhrer :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

BBC News | PANORAMA | Ex-Combat 18 man speaks out
Due to the Euro elections, this country has seen an outright smear campaign on the BNP. I suspect that article is part of it. Even if the content were true, you are talking about 20 yrs ago when the BNP was still in the roots of the National Front. The party has since expelled the Combat 18 members and dis-assocciated with them.

Even so, to link such articles is sheer hypocricy when the tax payer is paying MP's who fund and support the thug UAF who don't believe in the freedom of speech.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:33 pm

oscar;1204617 wrote: Due to the Euro elections, this country has seen an outright smear campaign on the BNP. I suspect that article is part of it. Even if the content were true, you are talking about 20 yrs ago when the BNP was still in the roots of the National Front. The party has since expelled the Combat 18 members and dis-assocciated with them.

Even so, to link such articles is sheer hypocricy when the tax payer is paying MP's who fund and support the thug UAF who don't believe in the freedom of speech.

racists in our midst

UNCOVERED - The BNP a racist party

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:41 pm

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In 1989, he left the NF and formed the International Third Position, a fanatically Catholic fascist group. The ITP campaigned against Coca Cola, McDonalds, urbanisation and “Zionism His involvement did not last beyond a few years. In 1991, after a failed business venture, Griffin went his own way.

In 1995, Griffin joined the BNP. He began to edit The Rune, an anti-Semitic quarterly. He also announced that the BNP should prioritise denying the Holocaust to schoolchildren.

He earned a two-year suspended prison sentence for his sick views on the Holocaust. In 1998 he was found guilty of inciting race hatred at Harrow Crown Court for denying that the Holocaust ever took place.

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nice guy huh oscar :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:06 pm

I really don't know what you are trying to prove here.

We have already established that the BNP are most unlikely to be responsible for the attack in the article. That was your question was it not? Are the BNP responsible? And the answer is NO........ so what is your point exactly?

If you want to debate the finer qualities of Griffin's history in the National Front, then why not just put a thread on called 'Let's dis Nick Griffin?

Or are you trying to gather supporters for the UAF?

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:10 pm

oscar;1204673 wrote: the BNP are most unlikely to be responsible for the attack in the article.

Doesn't stop them from being complete sods though, in my opinion. Were they, the UAF, and all their various hangers-on, taken somewhere a *very* long way away, I think that the world would be a better place.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:12 pm

oscar;1204673 wrote: I really don't know what you are trying to prove here.

We have already established that the BNP are most unlikely to be responsible for the attack in the article. That was your question was it not? Are the BNP responsible? And the answer is NO........ so what is your point exactly?

If you want to debate the finer qualities of Griffin's history in the National Front, then why not just put a thread on called 'Let's dis Nick Griffin?

Or are you trying to gather supporters for the UAF?

you said the BNP are not racist i think we all know without a shadow of doubt that they are

:D:D

i have no affection for the UAF ,nor have i mentioned them so why do you bring them up

:D

i know exactly what the BNP stand for i know someone who is a gold member we have a heated debate every time i see him

but at least he is honest about what they stand for he does not lie about it or delude himself :p:p

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:07 pm

farmer giles;1204680 wrote: you said the BNP are not racist i think we all know without a shadow of doubt that they are

:D:D

i have no affection for the UAF ,nor have i mentioned them so why do you bring them up

:D

i know exactly what the BNP stand for i know someone who is a gold member we have a heated debate every time i see him

but at least he is honest about what they stand for he does not lie about it or delude himself :p:p Who says I'm lying or deluded? How do you know i even support the BNP? I have a habit of adding signatures just to irrate the shyte out of people.

I don't care what Griffin is, all i'm saying is that most BNP members of this day and age are not rascist but are concerned about mass immigration that mainstream parties fail to address for fear of being called rascist by the looney left. That is not to say that i'm sure many members of the BNP are hard core rascist. UKIP are against mass immigration...... are they neo-nazi fascist rascists?

The reason for bring the subject of the UAF into the equation is that you are talking about hypocrisy. There has been no violent act by the BNP for a very long time yet our government send in 'battlebuses' to disrupt BNP meetings which often end in violence as it did here:

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Manchester | BNP member attacked with hammer

If you condemn the BNP then you must condemn the UAF which is funded and supported by the likes of Cameron and other prominent MP's.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:11 pm

Bill Sikes;1204677 wrote: Doesn't stop them from being complete sods though, in my opinion. Were they, the UAF, and all their various hangers-on, taken somewhere a *very* long way away, I think that the world would be a better place. At least you agree that the UAF are as deplorable as some believe the BNP to be. The hypocrisy is that the tax payer pays the wages of morons like Cameron to support and fund the violent thug UAF who by the way after the attack on Griffin last week, appear to now not believe in freedom of speech any more.

Fyrenza · Post by **Fyrenza** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:01 pm

Whoa!

FTW

and the end of this thread:

You GO, Oscar!

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:53 pm

Fyrenza;1204830 wrote: Whoa!

FTW

and the end of this thread:

You GO, Oscar!

whoaaa i dont know who rattled your cage :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

but i thought this was a good natured debate

if oscar the nazi wants to post oictures on her profile of a vile racist bully boy thats up to her that is her right and if i want to debate as to if the guy is a racist thats mine

if i posted a vile picture of say evil adolf hitler to pizz people off i could hardly complain if people then tried to pizz me off saying about all the evil stuff he did and how evil he was :p

if you look back through the last few threads oscar has indeed been calling me the nazi ,nice touch of mine to turn the tables i thought :yh_rotfl

nice to see that you never posted a picture of a white tiger oscar might of thought that racist :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:51 am

In scotland and northern ireland nazi hate ideology found support amongst the mote extreme and thuggish element of the orange order ut was aimed at catholics, jew and communists. It never really went away just hid for a while. There are always those who look for outlets for their frustration on people of a different religion, ethnic group you name it. It would be a mistake IMO to look for a logical explanation for an attack on people who are essentially helpless and pose no threat. To simply blame the BNP is simplistic especially in northern ireland where i suspect they would be perceived as being an english national party. Depends if the thugs are protestant or catholic-I suspect they will be mainly protestant.

Hate and violence do have a link to poverty and deprivation and low expectations. The BNP play on those fears and are the respectable face of it. Currently they are targeting muslims and immigration-the thing is there are extremists ion the muslim side that want to stir up the hate for their own ends the problem is how not to let them get away with it. Hitler sounded rational and appealed to many people around the world and had many admirers. The Romanians are slavs - one of the people Hitler viewed as sub human. Hate, especially with a religious underpinning or a pseudo scientific justification to the hatred can always seem justified if you pitch it at the right people. Look at oscar-we know she is rational, intelligent, caring , compassionate yet she is defending the latter day nazi party which is also a white english supremacist party that nowadays stops short of calling for all the nig nogs to be sent home so they can appeal to a wider electorate and because most people on this forum are essentially liberal in their political beliefs we defend her right to speak-as we should. But imo she picks up on the rational side of their argument and ignores where it can lead. maybe it's just the uniform that appeals. It's always one of the ironies that such a homophobic group as the neo nazis like dressing up in pretty uniforms. (well I find it ironic and that kind of comment is a great way to annoy them.)

The far left and far right the religious fundamentalist (of all religions) have always seen a preference for living in peace and getting on with your fellow man regardless of who or what they are as a sign of weakness in society-they always agree in principle but than want to add except for-pick your hate group based on race, ideology or belief system. This kind of thing is always there -just under the surface wherever you go.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:41 am

gmc;1204858 wrote: In scotland and northern ireland nazi hate ideology found support amongst the mote extreme and thuggish element of the orange order ut was aimed at catholics, jew and communists. It never really went away just hid for a while. There are always those who look for outlets for their frustration on people of a different religion, ethnic group you name it. It would be a mistake IMO to look for a logical explanation for an attack on people who are essentially helpless and pose no threat. To simply blame the BNP is simplistic especially in northern ireland where i suspect they would be perceived as being an english national party. Depends if the thugs are protestant or catholic-I suspect they will be mainly protestant.

Hate and violence do have a link to poverty and deprivation and low expectations. The BNP play on those fears and are the respectable face of it. Currently they are targeting muslims and immigration-the thing is there are extremists ion the muslim side that want to stir up the hate for their own ends the problem is how not to let them get away with it. Hitler sounded rational and appealed to many people around the world and had many admirers. The Romanians are slavs - one of the people Hitler viewed as sub human. Hate, especially with a religious underpinning or a pseudo scientific justification to the hatred can always seem justified if you pitch it at the right people. Look at oscar-we know she is rational, intelligent, caring , compassionate yet she is defending the latter day nazi party which is also a white english supremacist party that nowadays stops short of calling for all the nig nogs to be sent home so they can appeal to a wider electorate and because most people on this forum are essentially liberal in their political beliefs we defend her right to speak-as we should. But imo she picks up on the rational side of their argument and ignores where it can lead. maybe it's just the uniform that appeals. It's always one of the ironies that such a homophobic group as the neo nazis like dressing up in pretty uniforms. (well I find it ironic and that kind of comment is a great way to annoy them.)

The far left and far right the religious fundamentalist (of all religions) have always seen a preference for living in peace and getting on with your fellow man regardless of who or what they are as a sign of weakness in society-they always agree in principle but than want to add except for-pick your hate group based on race, ideology or belief system. This kind of thing is always there -just under the surface wherever you go.

of course GMC i was not meaning to imply that the BNP are to blame for the trouble in Belfast it was just my latest Oscar baiting ploy :sneaky::sneaky:

but i was asking are the BNP to blame for stirring up race hate across the country of that I'm sure there can be no doubt

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:24 am

farmer giles;1204877 wrote: of course GMC i was not meaning to imply that the BNP are to blame for the trouble in Belfast it was just my latest Oscar baiting ploy :sneaky::sneaky:

but i was asking are the BNP to blame for stirring up race hate across the country of that I'm sure there can be no doubt

Yes.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:21 am

oscar;1204737 wrote: At least you agree that the UAF are as deplorable as some believe the BNP to be.

I do not support either mob, or any of their hangers-on, and my post was certainly not meant to show any such thing.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:44 am

farmer giles;1204877 wrote: of course GMC i was not meaning to imply that the BNP are to blame for the trouble in Belfast it was just my latest Oscar baiting ploy :sneaky::sneaky:

but i was asking are the BNP to blame for stirring up race hate across the country of that I'm sure there can be no doubt

Ok ........ explain on this thread, exactly what the BNP do to stir up racial hatred. I've added a link of the hammer attack on the BNP member, explained the thug element of the UAF and we are all aware of the recent attack on Griffin last week outside Parliment by the UAF.

The BNP is currently prossessing up to 200 new members every day. let's leave Griffin out of this for a while as he seems to be your only weapon. Yes, we all know that Griffin was convicted for inciting racial hatred. What exactly was the words he uttered for him to be convicted? Do you actually know? As i doubt very much that you do. However, leaving Griffin aside momentarilly, what exactly do BNP members do to cause racial hatred in this country?

Let me explain to you why the mainstream Parties and the media are in such a frenzy over the BNP gaining two seats in the Euro elections. In the campaining, the BNP saw one of the biggest smear campaigns politics and the media have ever carried out to disuede voters...... didn't work did it? The Labour government sent in 'battlebuses' of UAF thugs to disrupt BNP meetings and incite voilence in order to swoop on a story of the BNP retaliating in a voilent act...... it never happened. Everything they have done over the past year to wind Griffin and BNp members up to act voilently has failed.

So who are the Nazi's here Jumbo brain? The BNP who is a bono fide registered political party who gets elected fair and square in elections or the UAF who sent 80 to 100 UAF thugs to disrupt Griffins election speech outside Parliment? Take a good look at the footage of the UAF protester who claimed to the media that BNP security had been over zealous with her....... it didn't happen...... she deliberately walked straight into Griffins path and was nothing short of direct confrontation. I believe the police call that 'incitement'. In a later interview, when asked of her actions, she replied that the UAF do not believe in freedom of speech and wanted to stop Griffin from speaking to his voters. So, who's the Nazi's?

Have you ever been to a BNP meeting? It cuts no ice that you have a mate who's got a gold badge..... so what...... most BNP members have the gold badge. Have you ever researched ALL of the BNP Party policies, not just immigration but education, crime, policing, health etc etc.? No..... I doubt you have.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:47 am

gmc;1204858 wrote: In scotland and northern ireland nazi hate ideology found support amongst the mote extreme and thuggish element of the orange order ut was aimed at catholics, jew and communists. It never really went away just hid for a while. There are always those who look for outlets for their frustration on people of a different religion, ethnic group you name it. It would be a mistake IMO to look for a logical explanation for an attack on people who are essentially helpless and pose no threat. To simply blame the BNP is simplistic especially in northern ireland where i suspect they would be perceived as being an english national party. Depends if the thugs are protestant or catholic-I suspect they will be mainly protestant.

Hate and violence do have a link to poverty and deprivation and low expectations. The BNP play on those fears and are the respectable face of it. Currently they are targeting muslims and immigration-the thing is there are extremists ion the muslim side that want to stir up the hate for their own ends the problem is how not to let them get away with it. Hitler sounded rational and appealed to many people around the world and had many admirers. The Romanians are slavs - one of the people Hitler viewed as sub human. Hate, especially with a religious underpinning or a pseudo scientific justification to the hatred can always seem justified if you pitch it at the right people. Look at oscar-we know she is rational, intelligent, caring , compassionate yet she is defending the latter day nazi party which is also a white english supremacist party that nowadays stops short of calling for all the nig nogs to be sent home so they can appeal to a wider electorate and because most people on this forum are essentially liberal in their political beliefs we defend her right to speak-as we should. But imo she picks up on the rational side of their argument and ignores where it can lead. maybe it's just the uniform that appeals. It's always one of the ironies that such a homophobic group as the neo nazis like dressing up in pretty uniforms. (well I find it ironic and that kind of comment is a great way to annoy them.)

The far left and far right the religious fundamentalist (of all religions) have always seen a preference for living in peace and getting on with your fellow man regardless of who or what they are as a sign of weakness in society-they always agree in principle but than want to add except for-pick your hate group based on race, ideology or belief system. This kind of thing is always there -just under the surface wherever you go.
I'll deal with you later Auld Yin....... I'm off to Ikea to buy A WHITE lampshade.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:39 am

oscar;1205007 wrote: I'll deal with you later Auld Yin....... I'm off to Ikea to buy A WHITE lampshade.

So long as it's not made out of human skin with a nice tattoo on it.:sneaky:

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:44 am

I may not know much about politics but this alone is all i need to know about the people who run the BNP.

Mr Griffin, the leader of the BNP, was found guilty , in April 1998 of distributing material likely to incite racial hatred and handed a nine-month jail sentence, suspended for two years.

In 1984, Andrew Brons, the winner of the party’s other European seat, was found guilty of behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace after his arrest in Leeds while selling papers. He was fined £50 after being heard shouting “death to Jews and “white power.

Source - Nick Griffin’s suspended prison sentence for inciting racial hatred - Times Online

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:38 am

gmc;1205028 wrote: So long as it's not made out of human skin with a nice tattoo on it.:sneaky:
:sneaky::sneaky: Good post earlier by the way.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:55 am

buttercup;1205031 wrote: I may not know much about politics but this alone is all i need to know about the people who run the BNP.

Mr Griffin, the leader of the BNP, was found guilty , in April 1998 of distributing material likely to incite racial hatred and handed a nine-month jail sentence, suspended for two years.

In 1984, Andrew Brons, the winner of the party’s other European seat, was found guilty of behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace after his arrest in Leeds while selling papers. He was fined £50 after being heard shouting “death to Jews” and “white power”.

Source - Nick Griffin’s suspended prison sentence for inciting racial hatred - Times Online First of all, the BNP do have Jewish members..... so that blows that little myth there:

BNP Jewish win | www.somethingjewish.co.uk

Like many organisations BC, it's easy to judge until you have looked inside and not just read media hysteria.

Having said that, there is no doubt that Nick Griffin has had un-savoury outbursts in the past and is capable of being a grade A pillock of the highest level at most times. Weather we like it or not, he is an elected member of the European Parliment elected in a democratic country. He has a right to address his voters after winning his seat. The UAF (Unite against Fascism) is an un-registered gaggle of prominent MP's and celebritires that include such delights as Pete Doherty, a convicted drug user. One of the MP's on the list of UAF funders is David Cameron along with many other Tory, Labour and Lib Dem MP's. So it goes like this..... The supporters of the UAF admitted by DPM Harriot waste of space Harmen that send out 'battlebuses' to disrupt BNP meetings and stop an elected MEP from speaking are the very people that millions in this country will be voting for in the General Election. What do you think the response would be if the BNP were to send out 'battlebuses' of thugs to disrupt a Tory or Labour meeting? It is the sheer hypocrisy of our so called government and mainstream parties that i object to. Do these idiots not realise that the more they oppose the BNP in such a manner, the more new memberships they get for the BNP?

Are you trying to say that it is disgraceful that Griffin and Brons have criminal records when half of Parliment are lying cheating, fraudulant bastards who have cheated tax payers out of millions in expenses scams..... some that amount to nothing short of fraud? Are you saying that it is dis-graceful when the Lib Dems produced stats to show that in only 3 counties, over 1,000 serving police officers are serving with criminal records including assault?

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:35 am

I dont vote for any of those other party's you mentioned.

I also dont just read media hysteria.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:23 pm

buttercup;1205146 wrote: I dont vote for any of those other party's you mentioned.

I also dont just read media hysteria.
UKIP also oppose mass immigration and did very well in the Euro elections. Are they Nazi's because they oppose the same thing the BNP do?

If it's acceptable to slate the BNP because their leader is capable of being a pillock at times, then the country should be slating the Tories and abstaining from voting for them due to their leader Cameron funding and supporting the un-registered UAF.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:08 pm

oscar;1205129 wrote: Are you trying to say that it is disgraceful that Griffin and Brons have criminal records when half of Parliment are lying cheating, fraudulant bastards who have cheated tax payers out of millions in expenses scams..... some that amount to nothing short of fraud?

"Griffin and Brons" have been convicted by a court. They are criminals. The rest are not (at the moment). Just because you believe that they are does not make them so. If you support "Griffin and Brons", that does not make them less criminal.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:15 pm

oscar;1205168 wrote: UKIP also oppose mass immigration and did very well in the Euro elections. Are they Nazi's because they oppose the same thing the BNP do?

If it's acceptable to slate the BNP because their leader is capable of being a pillock at times, then the country should be slating the Tories and abstaining from voting for them due to their leader Cameron funding and supporting the un-registered UAF.

If your looking for a rise out of me you'd be best finding some dirt on the SNP. Of course in saying that i'm not as into politics as you and therefore doubt you would find the conversation stimulating as i'd be highly unlikely to 'get into it' with you but you could try, i might if ive had a few vodka's

:sneaky:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:21 pm

buttercup;1205333 wrote: If your looking for a rise out of me you'd be best finding some dirt on the SNP. Of course in saying that i'm not as into politics as you and therefore doubt you would find the conversation stimulating as i'd be highly unlikely to 'get into it' with you but you could try, i might if ive had a few vodka's

:sneaky:
:wah: No Bc, i'm not trying to get a rise out of you. I'm waiting for the smart arsse who tried baiting me in the first place. I notice he is conspicous by his absence on the subject all of a sudden.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:28 pm

Bill Sikes;1205310 wrote: "Griffin and Brons" have been convicted by a court. They are criminals. The rest are not (at the moment). Just because you believe that they are does not make them so. If you support "Griffin and Brons", that does not make them less criminal. I have not said anywhere that i support anything or anybody. I am trying to point out the hypocrisy when Cameron funds and supports the anti-BNP movement the UAF who send their thugs to disrupt meetings of a bono fide registered political party and stop Griffin making his speech. I understood that to inhibit the freedom of speech in this country was an act not tolerated by our government? It appears the case only when it involves MP's of their choosing. That is not what i call a democratic society, to stop an elected member of Parliment from speaking to his electorate. People seem to believe that to vote BNP is to vote directly for Griffin. That's a little like saying if you vote for your local Labour MP in a by-election, you are infact voting for GB. Most BNP votors vote for their local BNP candidate in their constituancy based on their merits and not directly vote for or support Griffin. However, if you feel that to vote for any BNP candidate is to vote for Griffin, a convicted holocaust denyer, then the same applies for any vote for the Tory party as Cameron funds the thug UFA. You can't have it both ways.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:15 pm

oscar;1205338 wrote: :wah: No Bc, i'm not trying to get a rise out of you. I'm waiting for the smart arsse who tried baiting me in the first place. I notice he is conspicous by his absence on the subject all of a sudden.

i'm soo glad you have missed me i have been to a rock concert in portsmouth:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

i can tell you have lost your point by the many insults aimed at my good self

:D

bnp are vile racists end of ...

all it takes for evil men to succeed is for good men to say nothing

i was just wondering do you have a brother called ray :sneaky::sneaky:

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:41 pm

I don't care what Griffin is, all i'm saying is that most BNP members of this day and age are not rascist but are concerned about mass immigration that mainstream parties fail to address for fear of being called rascist by the looney left.

Oh no. Not again. Didn't you look at the panorama webpage I posted that showed the BNP organiser for NI had been convicted for petrol bombing? The BNP are violent thugs with an evil agenda. One or two of their policies are designed to appeal to disaffected working class voters. Just like the Nazis. When times are bad, it works. Times are bad. It is working.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:24 pm

farmer giles;1205355 wrote: i'm soo glad you have missed me i have been to a rock concert in portsmouth:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

i can tell you have lost your point by the many insults aimed at my good self

:D

bnp are vile racists end of ...

all it takes for evil men to succeed is for good men to say nothing

i was just wondering do you have a brother called ray :sneaky::sneaky: Instead of re-instating your previous comments, why not answer some questions that were asked of you in earlier posts that you seem to have over-looked.? After all, you are the one that called it healthy debate.

If the BNP oppose mass immigration as do UKIP...... are UKIP Neo-nazi's, fscist, rascists also?

How do you justify tax payers paying the likes of Cameron to fund the thug UAF who carried out the hammer attack on a BNP member and stopped Griffin from speaking last weeK?

Have you actually been to a BNP meeting?

Have you researched BNP policy other than immigration such as health, education, penal system, enviroment, animal rights etc etc ?

Do you actually know what BNP immigration policy actually is and not what comes out of Griffins mouth which happen to be two different things.

Are you aware of the latest proposed Labour scheme for re-patronising third world immigrants back in their own country?

Answer that lot and i might take you seriously.

Actually Jumbo...... you got the quote wrong, it's...... 'all it takes for evil to prosper, is for good men to do nothing.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:31 pm

Clodhopper;1205362 wrote: Oh no. Not again. Didn't you look at the panorama webpage I posted that showed the BNP organiser for NI had been convicted for petrol bombing? The BNP are violent thugs with an evil agenda. One or two of their policies are designed to appeal to disaffected working class voters. Just like the Nazis. When times are bad, it works. Times are bad. It is working. Don't you groan at me Cloddy. I never put the thread on. I suspect the intention of the threads title was to wind up rather than seriously debate the BNP. Otherwise the thread poster would not be turning the thread into some childish joke when yes, the popularity of the BNP in this country, is going to become a concern.

Fyrenza · Post by **Fyrenza** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:42 pm

There's a web site i use for U.S. politics, On-The-Issues dot com, that goes into an in-depth list of information on each of our elected and campaigning-to-be-elected officials.

Do y'all have any sites like that which you use?

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:32 am

oscar;1205381 wrote: Instead of re-instating your previous comments, why not answer some questions that were asked of you in earlier posts that you seem to have over-looked.? After all, you are the one that called it healthy debate.

If the BNP oppose mass immigration as do UKIP...... are UKIP Neo-nazi's, fscist, rascists also?

How do you justify tax payers paying the likes of Cameron to fund the thug UAF who carried out the hammer attack on a BNP member and stopped Griffin from speaking last weeK?

Have you actually been to a BNP meeting?

Have you researched BNP policy other than immigration such as health, education, penal system, enviroment, animal rights etc etc ?

Do you actually know what BNP immigration policy actually is and not what comes out of Griffins mouth which happen to be two different things.

Are you aware of the latest proposed Labour scheme for re-patronising third world immigrants back in their own country?

Answer that lot and i might take you seriously.

Actually Jumbo...... you got the quote wrong, it's...... 'all it takes for evil to prosper, is for good men to do nothing.

i dont care if there are a few spoonfull of sugar in their vile racist medicine they are vile racist ...nice of you to change your picture to a fox maybe waesel would be more fitting though unfair to weasels :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

and as far as i'm concerned the only wrong it's round here are you and that vile BNP :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl