jacko not a wacko

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:09 am

Odie;1213673 wrote: It is very much possible that Michael or his family have used their money to bribe or buy Even and Jordan and they have changed their statements, but who knows.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

There is enormous doubt. For one, if i truely believed my son had been molested, however distressing it was, i would insist on a medical examination for proof. None of them allowed their boys to be examined. Why?

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:49 pm

oscar;1213688 wrote: There is enormous doubt. For one, if i truely believed my son had been molested, however distressing it was, i would insist on a medical examination for proof. None of them allowed their boys to be examined. Why?

that's exactly what I said to Jim when he asked what I would have done, definitely immediately, a full examination.

some parents don't believe when a child has been molested, they think they are making up lies.......

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:15 pm

There's no smoke without fire.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:21 pm

abbey;1213919 wrote: There's no smoke without fire.
So where's the fire?

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:29 pm

This is interesting...

2 jurors say they regret Jackson's acquittal - Michael Jackson Trial- msnbc.com

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:36 pm

abbey;1213926 wrote: This is interesting...

2 jurors say they regret Jackson's acquittal - Michael Jackson Trial- msnbc.com
Not interesting but predictable. The words that stand out there for me are 'NEGOTIATING BOOK DEALS'. hmmmm why wait until he's dead? So he can't sue the arsse off them probably.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:41 pm

The date of the report was Aug. 9, 2005

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:43 pm

abbey;1213934 wrote: The date of the report was Aug. 9, 2005 Begging your pardon in that case. Even so, the words 'book deals' seem to do it for me. If the article was 4 years ago, where are these books?

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:50 pm

abbey;1213926 wrote: This is interesting...

2 jurors say they regret Jackson's acquittal - Michael Jackson Trial- msnbc.com

imagine that, as one juror said, she doesn't know, she's told old!:-5:-5

she had been harassed into saying he was innocent.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:17 am

For those who think that because he admitted in interview that the boy slept in the same bed on sleep-overs, he must be a vile peado.

Last year i had cause to have many members and family staying with me for a week. Some had to go into hotels as my house wasn't big enough for all of them. Some had children with them and they all had to sleep some-where. I have a Californian Queen sized bed and i slept in that bed with several of my family and friends children. That makes me a vile peado then ???

indeed it does not ,but if you had gotten the said children drunk ,and the children could in great detail describe your genitalia to the police and you had been accused by many children of abusing them,and some of the jurors thought that you were guilty then yes it would

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:41 am

farmer giles;1214007 wrote: For those who think that because he admitted in interview that the boy slept in the same bed on sleep-overs, he must be a vile peado.

Last year i had cause to have many members and family staying with me for a week. Some had to go into hotels as my house wasn't big enough for all of them. Some had children with them and they all had to sleep some-where. I have a Californian Queen sized bed and i slept in that bed with several of my family and friends children. That makes me a vile peado then ???

indeed it does not ,but if you had gotten the said children drunk ,and the children could in great detail describe your genitalia to the police and you had been accused by many children of abusing them,and some of the jurors thought that you were guilty then yes it would

They could have describes my body as we all got ready mornings in and out of the bathroom. Also, in the privacy of my home and under my supervision, some teenagers were allowed a glass of champagne. Same thing.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:48 am

I was just thinking today about MJ...can't help it..he's being covered over here 24/7....they are finally laying him to rest. But at the same time, I've had 4 kids who have all slept in my bed for up to 5 yrs and the last one has been hanging out on my bed for the last two days...ceiling fan/window fan..zonked out & also with the cat....:wah:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:50 am

qsducks;1214177 wrote: I was just thinking today about MJ...can't help it..he's being covered over here 24/7....they are finally laying him to rest. But at the same time, I've had 4 kids who have all slept in my bed for up to 5 yrs and the last one has been hanging out on my bed for the last two days...ceiling fan/window fan..zonked out & also with the cat....:wah: Exactly !!! When my sister was dying we had a family holiday where we took out 8 self catering chalets in Wales. I can't even remember who slept with who that week as we were all so drunk and there was the dogs in there as well:wah:

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:06 am

oscar;1214167 wrote: They could have describes my body as we all got ready mornings in and out of the bathroom. Also, in the privacy of my home and under my supervision, some teenagers were allowed a glass of champagne. Same thing.

very young boys drunk on jesus jiuce is the same as giving teenagers a glass of champagne

young boys being able to discribe an erect penis the same as someone coping an eyefull of you getting ready in the morning

are you for real ... i will never waste my time ever talking to you again :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:14 am

farmer giles;1214192 wrote: very young boys drunk on jesus jiuce is the same as giving teenagers a glass of champagne

young boys being able to discribe an erect penis the same as someone coping an eyefull of you getting ready in the morning

are you for real ... i will never waste my time ever talking to you again :rolleyes::rolleyes:
You are failing to see the logic again.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:27 am

oscar;1214179 wrote: Exactly !!! When my sister was dying we had a family holiday where we took out 8 self catering chalets in Wales. I can't even remember who slept with who that week as we were all so drunk and there was the dogs in there as well:wah:

Babies wake up, want to be fed & diapered...everything was in my room..diapers/bottles, formula, water....powdered formula...just need water & a clean bottle. And the crib was there also...wouldn't do it any other way again.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:32 am

qsducks;1214210 wrote: Babies wake up, want to be fed & diapered...everything was in my room..diapers/bottles, formula, water....powdered formula...just need water & a clean bottle. And the crib was there also...wouldn't do it any other way again. The point i was trying to make is that most people at some time in their lives will share a room with kids. If they get a flash of your bits as your coming out of the bathroom and you've let them try champagne, they could easily make a false allegation but if they could describe your body part and say they were given alcohol, you could find yourself in the same position as MJ. Some fail to see the logic behind that.

I've taken my friends kids swimming in the past and got changed infront of them. Jacko could have done the same.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:38 am

qsducks;1214210 wrote: Babies wake up, want to be fed & diapered...everything was in my room..diapers/bottles, formula, water....powdered formula...just need water & a clean bottle. And the crib was there also...wouldn't do it any other way again.

ducks what you are saying is right and proper if you said it was normal to get young boys drunk in your bed and fondle them and they could tell police officers of an erect penis in perfect detail of birth marks etc then clearly that is not the same

i'm not going to argue any more i believe any one with half a blinker can see my point

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:45 am

oscar;1214218 wrote: The point i was trying to make is that most people at some time in their lives will share a room with kids. If they get a flash of your bits as your coming out of the bathroom and you've let them try champagne, they could easily make a false allegation but if they could describe your body part and say they were given alcohol, you could find yourself in the same position as MJ. Some fail to see the logic behind that.

I've taken my friends kids swimming in the past and got changed infront of them. Jacko could have done the same.

Oh christ...kids have all gotten showers with me & hubs...they've seen us wonder out of the bathroom & go down the hall and get dressed...I for one have seen all them naked, bath time, diaper time, etc. Whats the big deal?

farmer giles;1214226 wrote: ducks what you are saying is right and proper if you said it was normal to get young boys drunk in your bed and fondle them and they could tell police officers of an erect penis in perfect detail of birth marks etc then clearly that is not the same

i'm not going to argue any more i believe any one with half a blinker can see my point

Um, all little boys wake up with an erect weenie....and so do big boys:yh_rotfl

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:50 am

qsducks;1214234 wrote: Oh christ...kids have all gotten showers with me & hubs...they've seen us wonder out of the bathroom & go down the hall and get dressed...I for one have seen all them naked, bath time, diaper time, etc. Whats the big deal?

Um, all little boys wake up with an erect weenie....and so do big boys:yh_rotfl
well i dont like to brag

are you trying to ignore the fact that he got the kids drunk for the sole purpose of getting them into his bed to abuse them as staff have testified

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:54 am

qsducks;1214234 wrote: Oh christ...kids have all gotten showers with me & hubs...they've seen us wonder out of the bathroom & go down the hall and get dressed...I for one have seen all them naked, bath time, diaper time, etc. Whats the big deal?

Um, all little boys wake up with an erect weenie....and so do big boys:yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl

Why did the staff not testify in his trial eh???

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:04 am

farmer giles;1214242 wrote: well i dont like to brag

are you trying to ignore the fact that he got the kids drunk for the sole purpose of getting them into his bed to abuse them as staff have testified

I'm not ignoring it Jimbo...but the media/family have really hoodwinked everyone into believing he was such a success which he used to be before all the molestation stuff came out. After that he was crap, went broke & moved out of the US....but the last week has been all about him...great singer, etc. Watching that video of him on ABC years ago...god I think I wanted to barf...granted it is normal to sleep with your kids...lots of peeps do it...but giving them access to alcholol or drugs is sick. IMO, if he got away with molesting children he must have had an great lawyer or was a really slick liar.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:08 am

qsducks;1214251 wrote: I'm not ignoring it Jimbo...but the media/family have really hoodwinked everyone into believing he was such a success which he used to be before all the molestation stuff came out. After that he was crap, went broke & moved out of the US....but the last week has been all about him...great singer, etc. Watching that video of him on ABC years ago...god I think I wanted to barf...granted it is normal to sleep with your kids...lots of peeps do it...but giving them access to alcholol or drugs is sick. IMO, if he got away with molesting children he must have had an great lawyer or was a really slick liar.

money talks so witnesses stay silent

;);)

that really is my last post on this matter ,i come here on fg not to argue or be racially abused believe it or not its just to have fun with like minded people and give people having a hard time my support .. nothing else

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:15 am

qsducks;1214251 wrote: I'm not ignoring it Jimbo...but the media/family have really hoodwinked everyone into believing he was such a success which he used to be before all the molestation stuff came out. After that he was crap, went broke & moved out of the US....but the last week has been all about him...great singer, etc. Watching that video of him on ABC years ago...god I think I wanted to barf...granted it is normal to sleep with your kids...lots of peeps do it...but giving them access to alcholol or drugs is sick. IMO, if he got away with molesting children he must have had an great lawyer or was a really slick liar.
I'm sure it will alsways be the case that no-one will ever know the truth. One question i have asked here is that on the night that MJ allegedly molested Gavin Avizo, Elizabeth Talyor testified that she was at MJ's home and it never happened. Was she lying? No-one seems to be able to answer that one. As for money paying off witnesses, MJ was broke before the charges, he could not have bought anyone off.

No-one will ever know the truth but i will not condemn anyone when a jury has aquited them after hearing ALL the evidence available.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:24 am

[QUOTE=oscar;1214269]I'm sure it will alsways be the case that no-one will ever know the truth. One question i have asked here is that on the night that MJ allegedly molested Gavin Avizo, Elizabeth Talyor testified that she was at MJ's home and it never happened. Was she lying? No-one seems to be able to answer that one. As for money paying off witnesses, MJ was broke before the charges, he could not have bought anyone off.

No-one will ever know the truth but i will not condemn anyone when a jury has aquited them after hearing ALL the evidence available.[/QUOTE

Agreed

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:26 am

qsducks;1214273 wrote: [QUOTE=oscar;1214269]I'm sure it will alsways be the case that no-one will ever know the truth. One question i have asked here is that on the night that MJ allegedly molested Gavin Avizo, Elizabeth Talyor testified that she was at MJ's home and it never happened. Was she lying? No-one seems to be able to answer that one. As for money paying off witnesses, MJ was broke before the charges, he could not have bought anyone off.

No-one will ever know the truth but i will not condemn anyone when a jury has aquited them after hearing ALL the evidence available.[/QUOTE

Agreed Then i agree with your agreement.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:32 am

We can agree to agree or disagree...everybody is going to have a say on MJ...watching it live right now wtih Al Sharton (don't get me started on him:wah:) the body of MJ is in the Staples stadium...little wierd for me. I was in Ireland last week on the 25th/June and he's just being buried today and we heard about it...along with Farrah Fawcett (who thankfully was buried in peace & quiet):-3

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:35 am

qsducks;1214285 wrote: We can agree to agree or disagree...everybody is going to have a say on MJ...watching it live right now wtih Al Sharton (don't get me started on him:wah:) the body of MJ is in the Staples stadium...little wierd for me. I was in Ireland last week on the 25th/June and he's just being buried today and we heard about it...along with Farrah Fawcett (who thankfully was buried in peace & quiet):-3
I think his fans the world over would be disappointed should the funeral have been a little quiet affair. When a celeb is an enigma in life, they attract the curious.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:14 pm

oscar;1214245 wrote: :yh_rotfl

Why did the staff not testify in his trial eh???
Erm.... because they get a wage.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:29 pm

abbey;1214318 wrote: Erm.... because they get a wage.

You also know that they could have terminated their employment with Jacko and sold their imfo in a book making them far more money. If their imfo was crucial in the trial and possible conviction, the US police have the right to supena a witness.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:19 pm

oscar;1214218 wrote: The point i was trying to make is that most people at some time in their lives will share a room with kids. If they get a flash of your bits as your coming out of the bathroom and you've let them try champagne, they could easily make a false allegation but if they could describe your body part and say they were given alcohol, you could find yourself in the same position as MJ. Some fail to see the logic behind that.

I've taken my friends kids swimming in the past and got changed infront of them. Jacko could have done the same.

Oscar, I just saw your post...

Many times families share beds with family members or their kidlets take swigs of alcohol, or we may give it to them for a toast if they're older. That's just life.

But, MJ is NOT a relative of these boys, and he is not inviting them into his bed because he's (MJ) being childlike and missing his childhood.

Why on earth would any adult who is not related to the child or not have a reason to be concerned about the child invite him/her into their bed for any reason whatsoever is beyond me.

I can't even imagine letting my child stay overnight with a stranger like MJ. Why would I allow that behavior? I wouldn't allow that. Michael Jackson had a mansion with tons of bedrooms, and I'm sure there were lots of hotels around if he wanted to invite a boy and his parents over.

Geeze, what parent doesn't check out sleepovers that your kid is going on....

What parent allows their young child to go out with friends without driving them crazy with phone calls to make sure they're ok

?

My question will always be...where were the adults around when these children were sleeping with MJ? They are the ones who should be in jail for not taking care of their children.

I'm sure everyone from parents to staff and lawyers of MJ were paid off beautifully.

Don't ask me for proof about why no one testified against Michael Jackson as they've all been paid off and kept their mouths shut.

This man is a disgrace to humanity. He's gotten away with too much...just like OJ.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:26 pm

Kathy Ellen;1214438 wrote: Oscar, I just saw your post...

Many times families share beds with family members or their kidlets take swigs of alcohol, or we may give it to them for a toast if they're older. That's just life.

But, MJ is NOT a relative of these boys, and he is not inviting them into his bed because he's (MJ) being childlike and missing his childhood.

Why on earth would any adult who is not related to the child or not have a reason to be concerned about the child invite him/her into their bed for any reason whatsoever is beyond me.

I can't even imagine letting my child stay overnight with a stranger like MJ. Why would I allow that behavior? I wouldn't allow that. Michael Jackson had a mansion with tons of bedrooms, and I'm sure there were lots of hotels around if he wanted to invite a boy and his parents over.

Geeze, what parent doesn't check out sleepovers that your kid is going on....

What parent allows their young child to go out with friends without driving them crazy with phone calls to make sure they're ok

?

My question will always be...where were the adults around when these children were sleeping with MJ? They are the ones who should be in jail for not taking care of their children.

I'm sure everyone from parents to staff and lawyers of MJ were paid off beautifully.

Don't ask me for proof about why no one testified against Michael Jackson as they've all been paid off and kept their mouths shut.

This man is a disgrace to humanity. He's gotten away with too much...just like OJ.
The reason i am so suspicious that MJ was set up is as you say, the parents. In the Bashier interview wher he admitted to sharing his bed, it wasn't just a one off night, but a friendship that had built up over months. I totally agree with you in where are the parents in all this. Nobody in their right mind would allow such a close one on one relationship between a grown man and a teenage boy. It was the same with Jorden Chandler. The allegations came two years after the parents had swaned around the world with MJ on freeebies and leaving their son with him.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:47 pm

oscar;1214444 wrote: The reason i am so suspicious that MJ was set up is as you say, the parents. In the Bashier interview wher he admitted to sharing his bed, it wasn't just a one off night, but a friendship that had built up over months. I totally agree with you in where are the parents in all this. Nobody in their right mind would allow such a close one on one relationship between a grown man and a teenage boy. It was the same with Jorden Chandler. The allegations came two years after the parents had swaned around the world with MJ on freeebies and leaving their son with him.

Oscar, please think about this.....

There were many children who said that they had spent time in bed with MJ...such as Macaulay Culkin and Cory Feldman. Cory stated on the Howard Stern radio show, and other talk shows, that he had slept in MJ's bed and that it was all ok....Why would Cory sleep in MJ's bed at this young age? I think he was 13...

Just ask yourself...why does a grown man want to sleep in bed with children? That is so abnormal, isn't it?

Oscar, I teach young children and have heard every type of story about child abuse and Michael Jackson reeks of child abuse. He sickens me:mad:

It's our duty as parents to protect our children. These children were not protected from Michael Jackson IMO.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:07 pm

Kathy Ellen;1214454 wrote: Oscar, please think about this.....

There were many children who said that they had spent time in bed with MJ...such as Macaulay Culkin and Cory Feldman. Cory stated on the Howard Stern radio show, and other talk shows, that he had slept in MJ's bed and that it was all ok....Why would Cory sleep in MJ's bed at this young age? I think he was 13...

Just ask yourself...why does a grown man want to sleep in bed with children? That is so abnormal, isn't it?

Oscar, I teach young children and have heard every type of story about child abuse and Michael Jackson reeks of child abuse. He sickens me:mad:

It's our duty as parents to protect our children. These children were not protected from Michael Jackson IMO.
As i have said before many times on these threads, i am suspicious that Chandler and Cory's parents did not bring charges. Any sane parent would. They would want the molester charged and put away in order to protect other children from them. In Chandlers case, the money seemed more important to the parents. Now there are sites on the web showing a statement made by Jorden two days after MJ's death, that he lied all along. There is no proof so far that the statement is genuine.

Even with his admission in the Bashier interview he was aquited by a Jury in the Gavin Avizo case.

IF Jackson was a child molester, then the parents allowed their children to be in that position.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:12 pm

And I'll say for the last time also Oscar.......

Why would parents come forward to testifly against MJ when they've failed their children, taken the money from Michael Jackson and have become wealthy? Greed, maybe

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:23 pm

Kathy Ellen;1214462 wrote: And I'll say for the last time also Oscar.......

Why would parents come forward to testifly against MJ when they've failed their children, taken the money from Michael Jackson and have become wealthy? Greed, maybe

IF he's guilty then it has to be greed. I know that if i truely believed some-one had defiled my or anyone elses child, i'd want to see them behind bars where they could not touch another child.

Night Night Kathy :-6

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:26 pm

Good night Oscar...sleep tight :-6:p

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:05 am

oscar;1214444 wrote: The reason i am so suspicious that MJ was set up is as you say, the parents. In the Bashier interview wher he admitted to sharing his bed, it wasn't just a one off night, but a friendship that had built up over months. I totally agree with you in where are the parents in all this. Nobody in their right mind would allow such a close one on one relationship between a grown man and a teenage boy. It was the same with Jorden Chandler. The allegations came two years after the parents had swaned around the world with MJ on freeebies and leaving their son with him.Yes my dear, it's called grooming.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:10 am

abbey;1214511 wrote: Yes my dear, it's called grooming.

game,set and match

:D

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:31 am

abbey;1214511 wrote: Yes my dear, it's called grooming. Grooming or not grooming, my point is...... in all the months even years he groomed, why did the parents allow it?

ZAP · Post by **ZAP** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:40 am

oscar;1214589 wrote: Grooming or not grooming, my point is...... in all the months even years he groomed, why did the parents allow it?

Some parents do horrible things to their children, like watch them drown in the cars they sent into the water, drown them with their own hands, burn their bodies with lit cigarettes, lock them in dark places and not feed them, thereby starving them to death, not protecting them when they should . . . .

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:58 am

Zapata;1214598 wrote: Some parents do horrible things to their children, like watch them drown in the cars they sent into the water, drown them with their own hands, burn their bodies with lit cigarettes, lock them in dark places and not feed them, thereby starving them to death, not protecting them when they should . . . . My father was over-protective towards us kids. It got right on my nerves when i was a teenager. I was blessed with the most wonderful parents anyone could wish for. I was proud of them in every way. My dad would kill for us kids. that's how every parent should be. :-4

Imladris · Post by **Imladris** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:00 am

oscar;1214589 wrote: Grooming or not grooming, my point is...... in all the months even years he groomed, why did the parents allow it?

I don't care if he's guilty or not guilty of child abuse. He's dead now and I believe that he's now answering to God for whatever crimes he committed.

However in reference to the above, maybe the parents were naive, a bit thick, starstruck, unable to believe their hero could be not what he seemed, using the situation for their own ends, ignoring their suspicions... you think of a reason and it could apply.

It's only the people in that room at that time will ever know what happened and now one of them can't tell us.

Maybe one good thing may come out of all this - perhaps some parents will think twice about who they let take charge of their kids.

Now then, I'm sick to the back teeth of MJ, who shall we talk about next? :sneaky::wah: