hello lord grumpy reporting in from grumpy mansion.
when i read this news story i could believe it .
is it me or have the do gooders gone mad ??
Drug experts are calling for a nationwide network of shooting galleries where heroin addicts can go to inject themselves safely.
Experts deny free heroin will mean 'shooting galleries' on our streets
An independent expert group has recommended the government expand an existing heroin pilot study.
It follows four years of trials in Brighton, Darlington and London where many areas showed a reduction in crime and a fall in the street sale of heroin.
Proponents of medical prescription of heroin say helping addicts get fixes improves their health and deprives street dealers and violent criminal gangs of funding.
They argue it removes the glamour from a lifestyle of drug abuse, instead treating addiction as a medical problem that needs treatment.
Countries such as Switzerland, Holland and Germany have already prescribed the drug with positive results.
But critics say the taxpayer should not be asked to pay for heroin when cash cannot be found for drugs to treat illnesses such as Alzheimers.
A conference organised by Action on Addiction and the National Addiction Centre is to report on the findings of the UK study.
Paul Hayes, chief executive of the National Treatment Agency for Substance Misuse (NTA) said the programme was controlled and held under strict clinical conditions.
"Drug treatment is very effective, and cost effective, for the vast majority of heroin addicts," he said.
"However, there are some whose problems are so entrenched that the government committed in the Drug Strategy to explore pilots of injectable heroin in controlled, clinical settings.
"The interim results of the pilot studies seem encouraging, and we share the government's commitment to develop new and innovative ways to tackle drug addiction."
Mr Hayes explained that heroin has been prescribed to addicts for decades.
He said: "Heroin has been available on prescription since the 1920s to a very limited number of addicts.
"These pilots are simply to explore whether controlled prescribing of injectable heroin will be effective in overcoming their problems, minimizing the harm to the public, reducing crime, and cost effective for the taxpayer.
"In particular the pilots need to identify how many individuals might benefit from this treatment, but at most we are talking about a very small proportion of the 160,000 heroin addicts in treatment."
The National Treatment Agency For Substance Misuse - NTA - Denies Drug And Heroin Shooting Galleries | UK News | Sky News
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this a totally outrageous suggestion and one road this loony labour government should not go down.
not so many years ago if you were found in possesion of a class A drug like heroin
your next stop was usually between 6 and 18 months in jail.
now they want to hand it out free gratis on the NHS which is understaffed and underfunded .
why should these druggie parasites get preferental treatment where some one has to wait up to 12 months for a simple operation on the NHS or wards close
or there just arent simply enough beds cots sheets or blankets to go round.
yet these druggie scum who sponge benefits and dont do a days work can just wander in to a hospital or clinic for their daily heroin fix .
give em a bad batch and kill the lot of them off theyre no use to society anyway.
and while im on the subject are the experts who suggested this plan on it too ????
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I'm In two minds over this one. On one hand, handing out heroin has been proved to cut crime. Those with habits don't have to go out thieving every day or possibly more serious muggings and anything that saves victems is a good Idea. However, while this country looks to recover the national debt from bail-out, it is madness to continue with It.
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pantoandy;1242075 wrote:
why should these druggie parasites get preferental treatment where some one has to wait up to 12 months for a simple operation on the NHS or wards close
or there just arent simply enough beds cots sheets or blankets to go round.
yet these druggie scum who sponge benefits and dont do a days work can just wander in to a hospital or clinic for their daily heroin fix .
give em a bad batch and kill the lot of them off theyre no use to society anyway.
and while im on the subject are the experts who suggested this plan on it too ????
Well, I'm not quite sure what to think of all this to be honest but my cousin is one of the 'druggie scum/parasites' you refer to. Sadly, about 2 months ago she found out she was pregnant, she's due not long after I am. I know the road that led her to her addiction so I'm more compassionate than you might be. Her being family and knowing who she was before the addiction took her over only amplifies that compassion.
I'm not sure about the broadness of the program you explained and can see your point to an extent but one that was controlled under specific conditions would be helping my cousin at this very moment.
i.e. Not one drug rehabilitation center will take her because she is pregnant. They will not supply heroin to wean her off and were she to quit cold turkey she would spontaneously abort as well as she might now survive the shock of it.
It's easy to judge though if you've never fought with addiction or know the road that led someone to it.
why should these druggie parasites get preferental treatment where some one has to wait up to 12 months for a simple operation on the NHS or wards close
or there just arent simply enough beds cots sheets or blankets to go round.
yet these druggie scum who sponge benefits and dont do a days work can just wander in to a hospital or clinic for their daily heroin fix .
give em a bad batch and kill the lot of them off theyre no use to society anyway.
and while im on the subject are the experts who suggested this plan on it too ????
Well, I'm not quite sure what to think of all this to be honest but my cousin is one of the 'druggie scum/parasites' you refer to. Sadly, about 2 months ago she found out she was pregnant, she's due not long after I am. I know the road that led her to her addiction so I'm more compassionate than you might be. Her being family and knowing who she was before the addiction took her over only amplifies that compassion.
I'm not sure about the broadness of the program you explained and can see your point to an extent but one that was controlled under specific conditions would be helping my cousin at this very moment.
i.e. Not one drug rehabilitation center will take her because she is pregnant. They will not supply heroin to wean her off and were she to quit cold turkey she would spontaneously abort as well as she might now survive the shock of it.
It's easy to judge though if you've never fought with addiction or know the road that led someone to it.
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almostfamous;1242423 wrote: Well, I'm not quite sure what to think of all this to be honest but my cousin is one of the 'druggie scum/parasites' you refer to. Sadly, about 2 months ago she found out she was pregnant, she's due not long after I am. I know the road that led her to her addiction so I'm more compassionate than you might be. Her being family and knowing who she was before the addiction took her over only amplifies that compassion.
I'm not sure about the broadness of the program you explained and can see your point to an extent but one that was controlled under specific conditions would be helping my cousin at this very moment.
i.e. Not one drug rehabilitation center will take her because she is pregnant. They will not supply heroin to wean her off and were she to quit cold turkey she would spontaneously abort as well as she might now survive the shock of it.
It's easy to judge though if you've never fought with addiction or know the road that led someone to it.
my sympathies with your cousin and hope she finally find a way out of the never ending drug spiral and apologies if this was worded strongly however no one forced her to take heroin she could easily have said no.
drugs are the scurge of the world today and the scum to me personally are those who bring it in to those those who deal it to those who take it.
but there must be the help there to wean users off drugs but not in this way as i think it sends the wrong message that drugs kill.
as for cousin on the one hand i could say well she,s an addict and shouldnt keep her child but there again if she goes in to rehab and gets herself clean then she should keep the child but supervised to ensure she stays clean there are two sides to the coin on this subject.
I'm not sure about the broadness of the program you explained and can see your point to an extent but one that was controlled under specific conditions would be helping my cousin at this very moment.
i.e. Not one drug rehabilitation center will take her because she is pregnant. They will not supply heroin to wean her off and were she to quit cold turkey she would spontaneously abort as well as she might now survive the shock of it.
It's easy to judge though if you've never fought with addiction or know the road that led someone to it.
my sympathies with your cousin and hope she finally find a way out of the never ending drug spiral and apologies if this was worded strongly however no one forced her to take heroin she could easily have said no.
drugs are the scurge of the world today and the scum to me personally are those who bring it in to those those who deal it to those who take it.
but there must be the help there to wean users off drugs but not in this way as i think it sends the wrong message that drugs kill.
as for cousin on the one hand i could say well she,s an addict and shouldnt keep her child but there again if she goes in to rehab and gets herself clean then she should keep the child but supervised to ensure she stays clean there are two sides to the coin on this subject.