Poles won't have an american base in Redzikowo :wah: Isn't that great? :guitarist I knew from the beginning that Obama would be a great president and would repair what G.W. Bush and his conservative friends had spoilt.
Stupid Poles wanted american help to become stronger than Russia and now they have to face it - there is no more important partnership in the world than the partnership joining two genuine superpowers - the United States and former Soviet Union.
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It's rather a healthy moment in world history Lenn, I'm glad you're pleased.
Did you notice Nato chief reaches out to Russia as well?
"In the medium and long term, the new [NATO] secretary general wants to reinvigorate the Nato-Russia council and carry out a joint review of the strategic security challenges. In the short term, he wants to deepen co-operation in a wide range of areas. Perhaps most eye-catching was the prospect Mr Rasmussen raised of the US, Nato and Russia working together on missile defence. "
Did you notice Nato chief reaches out to Russia as well?
"In the medium and long term, the new [NATO] secretary general wants to reinvigorate the Nato-Russia council and carry out a joint review of the strategic security challenges. In the short term, he wants to deepen co-operation in a wide range of areas. Perhaps most eye-catching was the prospect Mr Rasmussen raised of the US, Nato and Russia working together on missile defence. "
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Lenn;1243658 wrote: Poles won't have an american base in Redzikowo :wah: Isn't that great? :guitarist I knew from the beginning that Obama would be a great president and would repair what G.W. Bush and his conservative friends had spoilt.
Stupid Poles wanted american help to become stronger than Russia and now they have to face it - there is no more important partnership in the world than the partnership joining two genuine superpowers - the United States and former Soviet Union.
Obama backs down to the Russians just Like Kennedy you mean?
How do you know the Poles are stupid? The Polish people I know were totally gainst the US missile shield.
Stupid Poles wanted american help to become stronger than Russia and now they have to face it - there is no more important partnership in the world than the partnership joining two genuine superpowers - the United States and former Soviet Union.
Obama backs down to the Russians just Like Kennedy you mean?
How do you know the Poles are stupid? The Polish people I know were totally gainst the US missile shield.
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oscar;1243669 wrote: The Polish people I know were totally gainst the US missile shield.
BBC NEWS | Americas | Polish hopes shot down by US move
"For Polish supporters of the Bush administration's missile defence system it was a disappointing day. For the Polish government and particularly the country's president, Lech Kaczynski, the deal signed in August last year was important because it would have strengthened the country's security by binding Poland and the US closer together. "
BBC NEWS | Americas | Polish hopes shot down by US move
"For Polish supporters of the Bush administration's missile defence system it was a disappointing day. For the Polish government and particularly the country's president, Lech Kaczynski, the deal signed in August last year was important because it would have strengthened the country's security by binding Poland and the US closer together. "
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spot;1243674 wrote: BBC NEWS | Americas | Polish hopes shot down by US move
"For Polish supporters of the Bush administration's missile defence system it was a disappointing day. For the Polish government and particularly the country's president, Lech Kaczynski, the deal signed in August last year was important because it would have strengthened the country's security by binding Poland and the US closer together. " I'm not going by newspapers..or the BBC... I'm going by the average Pole who lives there.
"For Polish supporters of the Bush administration's missile defence system it was a disappointing day. For the Polish government and particularly the country's president, Lech Kaczynski, the deal signed in August last year was important because it would have strengthened the country's security by binding Poland and the US closer together. " I'm not going by newspapers..or the BBC... I'm going by the average Pole who lives there.
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oscar;1243677 wrote: I'm not going by newspapers..or the BBC... I'm going by the average Pole who lives there.
It's a bit like saying you know you have True Religion because God speaks directly into your heart. As a way of life it's fine, as a basis for discussion it's a bit one-sided and pointless.
It's a bit like saying you know you have True Religion because God speaks directly into your heart. As a way of life it's fine, as a basis for discussion it's a bit one-sided and pointless.
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spot;1243681 wrote: It's a bit like saying you know you have True Religion because God speaks directly into your heart. As a way of life it's fine, as a basis for discussion it's a bit one-sided and pointless. How do you think the newspapers or the BBC arrive at their decisions that this is what the Poles want? Do you think they ask the entire population? Of course not... they ask a cross section or the politicians who THINK they know what the people want.
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oscar;1243669 wrote: Obama backs down to the Russians just Like Kennedy you mean?
How do you know the Poles are stupid? The Polish people I know were totally gainst the US missile shield.
You see, I have been living in Poland for three years now. Working as a journalist, I spend most of my time reading polish newspapers and watching local television. I don't deny that there are some intelligent Poles who are against the missile shield, but that's certainly a minority. Generally, they are (as a nation) very, very disappointed. President Kaczynski has announced it a "black day for the whole country" and emphasised that Americans were not very tactful announcing their decision on September 17th when Poland traditionally celebrates the 70th anniversary of soviet invasion (yes, they call it invasion!).
I think that Obama and Kennedy have a lot in common. Obama has a chance of becoming equally popular - not only in the US - among other things because of his positive attitude towards Russia.
How do you know the Poles are stupid? The Polish people I know were totally gainst the US missile shield.
You see, I have been living in Poland for three years now. Working as a journalist, I spend most of my time reading polish newspapers and watching local television. I don't deny that there are some intelligent Poles who are against the missile shield, but that's certainly a minority. Generally, they are (as a nation) very, very disappointed. President Kaczynski has announced it a "black day for the whole country" and emphasised that Americans were not very tactful announcing their decision on September 17th when Poland traditionally celebrates the 70th anniversary of soviet invasion (yes, they call it invasion!).
I think that Obama and Kennedy have a lot in common. Obama has a chance of becoming equally popular - not only in the US - among other things because of his positive attitude towards Russia.
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oscar;1243688 wrote: How do you think the newspapers or the BBC arrive at their decisions that this is what the Poles want? Do you think they ask the entire population? Of course not... they ask a cross section or the politicians who THINK they know what the people want.
The trouble with "I'm going by the average Pole who lives there" is that they're unnamed, it's an uncheckable claim and I doubt your credentials as an accurate interpreter or reporter of events. I place reasonable faith in the professional correspondents at the BBC because they name their sources, accurately quote their words and allow their readers to place an appropriate value on each voice quoted.Aleksander Szczyglo, head of the National Security Council and friend of the president, called it a "historic mistake" on the part of the Americans, which demonstrated a failure of their long-term thinking about Central and Eastern Europe.
[...] For Bartosz Weglarczyk, foreign editor of the leading Polish daily Gazeta Wyborcza, a supporter of the base, that is a much worse solution. "Poland wanted a permanent US military installation in this part of Europe because it would mean the real end of the iron curtain," he told the BBC. "We are second class members of Nato. Nato doesn't even have contingency plans for this part of Europe. Having a US military base in Poland would have changed this."
[...] The main opposition party Law and Justice accused the government of not doing enough to convince Washington of its support and worth. One of its MPs, Karol Karski, said the government should resign. "Polish-US relations have been re-orientated. The Donald Tusk cabinet proved unable to convince the US to treat Poland as one of its more important European allies," he added.
Contrasting that with "I'm going by the average Pole who lives there" as a basis for validating the OP is for each reader of the thread to do individually. It's why adding the occasional real-world fact might bolster your argument.
The trouble with "I'm going by the average Pole who lives there" is that they're unnamed, it's an uncheckable claim and I doubt your credentials as an accurate interpreter or reporter of events. I place reasonable faith in the professional correspondents at the BBC because they name their sources, accurately quote their words and allow their readers to place an appropriate value on each voice quoted.Aleksander Szczyglo, head of the National Security Council and friend of the president, called it a "historic mistake" on the part of the Americans, which demonstrated a failure of their long-term thinking about Central and Eastern Europe.
[...] For Bartosz Weglarczyk, foreign editor of the leading Polish daily Gazeta Wyborcza, a supporter of the base, that is a much worse solution. "Poland wanted a permanent US military installation in this part of Europe because it would mean the real end of the iron curtain," he told the BBC. "We are second class members of Nato. Nato doesn't even have contingency plans for this part of Europe. Having a US military base in Poland would have changed this."
[...] The main opposition party Law and Justice accused the government of not doing enough to convince Washington of its support and worth. One of its MPs, Karol Karski, said the government should resign. "Polish-US relations have been re-orientated. The Donald Tusk cabinet proved unable to convince the US to treat Poland as one of its more important European allies," he added.
Contrasting that with "I'm going by the average Pole who lives there" as a basis for validating the OP is for each reader of the thread to do individually. It's why adding the occasional real-world fact might bolster your argument.
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spot;1243700 wrote:
]Contrasting that with "I'm going by the average Pole who lives there" as a basis for validating the OP is for each reader of the thread to do individually. It's why adding the occasional real-world fact might bolster your argument.
U.S. Missile Shield Explodes Just In Time for Poland’s Presidential Election - New Europe - WSJ
]Contrasting that with "I'm going by the average Pole who lives there" as a basis for validating the OP is for each reader of the thread to do individually. It's why adding the occasional real-world fact might bolster your argument.
U.S. Missile Shield Explodes Just In Time for Poland’s Presidential Election - New Europe - WSJ
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oscar;1243724 wrote: U.S. Missile Shield Explodes Just In Time for Poland’s Presidential Election - New Europe - WSJ
There you are then. A balanced article in a respectable journal of record.
And "as of August, 58% of Poles were in favor of the plan, according to the daily Rzeczpospolita".
"The Polish people I know were totally gainst the US missile shield" may well be accurate but it's scarcely an authoritative account of Polish opinion in general, even you must recognize that.
There you are then. A balanced article in a respectable journal of record.
And "as of August, 58% of Poles were in favor of the plan, according to the daily Rzeczpospolita".
"The Polish people I know were totally gainst the US missile shield" may well be accurate but it's scarcely an authoritative account of Polish opinion in general, even you must recognize that.
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spot;1243733 wrote: There you are then. A balanced article in a respectable journal of record.
And "as of August, 58% of Poles were in favor of the plan, according to the daily Rzeczpospolita".
"The Polish people I know were totally gainst the US missile shield" may well be accurate but it's scarcely an authoritative account of Polish opinion in general, even you must recognize that.
Exactly and why it contradicts the OP of 'The stupid poles wanted it'. Obviousley, 42% did not, that is if the polls are accurate.
And "as of August, 58% of Poles were in favor of the plan, according to the daily Rzeczpospolita".
"The Polish people I know were totally gainst the US missile shield" may well be accurate but it's scarcely an authoritative account of Polish opinion in general, even you must recognize that.
Exactly and why it contradicts the OP of 'The stupid poles wanted it'. Obviousley, 42% did not, that is if the polls are accurate.
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Lenn;1243695 wrote:
I think that Obama and Kennedy have a lot in common. Obama has a chance of becoming equally popular - not only in the US - among other things because of his positive attitude towards Russia. ppfftt... Backdown to the Russians on both occassions.
I think that Obama and Kennedy have a lot in common. Obama has a chance of becoming equally popular - not only in the US - among other things because of his positive attitude towards Russia. ppfftt... Backdown to the Russians on both occassions.
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Wonderful people, the Russians. Very cultured. Very hospitable.
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spot;1243744 wrote: Wonderful people, the Russians. Very cultured. Very hospitable.
Yes and they speak very highly of you also.
Yes and they speak very highly of you also.
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