Sunday Express | UK News :: Protest at BNP leader on BBC
This is becoming absurd.
Let's remind ourselves that we live in a Democratic Society where we have the freedom to vote for any bono fide registered political party of our choosing. The arrests we have seen over the past few months with clashes with police have been UAF members, supported and funded by David Cameron and Labour MP's. For years, the media have been telling us that Griffin is a holocaust denier and rascist. So why do they not want him to speak.? One of two things will be made apparent on the 22nd on Question Time. One, he will be exposed for the rascist that Government and media insist he is, or, we will learn that what the media print, is not all that it seems. Until he speaks, the people of Britain will never know for sure and will continue to go by what is read in newspapers. Question Time is an ideal opportunity at last for the country to hear Griffin in debate with Jack Straw. Surely, if Griffin is the fascist rascist we are told he is, it is an ideal chance to have him exposed, is it not?
How perverse and Ironic that the man they accuse of being a fascist is to be denied his right to freedom of speech.
Why don't they just let him speak?
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Why don't they just let him speak?
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Why don't they just let him speak?
I will boycott the show. I do not want to hear him. He will say whatever he thinks will play well with the audience. He'll no more be honest than Hitler would. He's a fascist and a liar - and that's based on the organisation he heads and his previous statements.
He's also quite smart enough to appear respectable. Scum to the bone.
He's also quite smart enough to appear respectable. Scum to the bone.
The crowd: "Yes! We are all individuals!"
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Why don't they just let him speak?
oscar;1250774 wrote: Sunday Express | UK News :: Protest at BNP leader on BBC
This is becoming absurd.
Let's remind ourselves that we live in a Democratic Society where we have the freedom to vote for any bono fide registered political party of our choosing. The arrests we have seen over the past few months with clashes with police have been UAF members, supported and funded by David Cameron and Labour MP's. For years, the media have been telling us that Griffin is a holocaust denier and rascist. So why do they not want him to speak.? One of two things will be made apparent on the 22nd on Question Time. One, he will be exposed for the rascist that Government and media insist he is, or, we will learn that what the media print, is not all that it seems. Until he speaks, the people of Britain will never know for sure and will continue to go by what is read in newspapers. Question Time is an ideal opportunity at last for the country to hear Griffin in debate with Jack Straw. Surely, if Griffin is the fascist rascist we are told he is, it is an ideal chance to have him exposed, is it not?
How perverse and Ironic that the man they accuse of being a fascist is to be denied his right to freedom of speech.
I suppose the media could be sued for slander if they are bandying about such evil lies:-2 I think maybe they should let him speak ,, maybe he should be asked some uncomfortable questions
Nick Griffin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Criminal charges
1998
In 1998, Griffin was convicted of violating section 19 of the Public Order Act 1986, relating to the offence of 'publishing or distributing racially inflammatory written material' in issue 12 of The Rune, published in 1996. Griffin's comments in the magazine were reported to the police by Alex Carlile, then the Liberal Democrat Member of Parliament for Montgomeryshire. Following a police raid at Griffin's home, he was charged with distributing material likely to incite racial hatred.[47][48] Fellow BNP member Paul Ballard was also charged, but entered a guilty plea and did not stand trial. Griffin pleaded not guilty, and was tried at Harrow Crown Court. He called French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson, and Nationalist Osiris Akkebala as witnesses, but was found guilty and given a nine month sentence—suspended for two years—and a £2,300 fine (Ballard was given a six month sentence, also suspended for two years).[49][50][51][52]
I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the world is flat.
—Nick Griffin, [25]
Griffin also claimed that the law under which he was convicted was an unjust law and he therefore had no obligation to follow it.[47] He was also secretly recorded by the ITV programme The Cook Report in 1997 describing Carlile as "this bloody Jew ... whose only claim is that his grandparents died in the Holocaust".[28][53][54]
This is becoming absurd.
Let's remind ourselves that we live in a Democratic Society where we have the freedom to vote for any bono fide registered political party of our choosing. The arrests we have seen over the past few months with clashes with police have been UAF members, supported and funded by David Cameron and Labour MP's. For years, the media have been telling us that Griffin is a holocaust denier and rascist. So why do they not want him to speak.? One of two things will be made apparent on the 22nd on Question Time. One, he will be exposed for the rascist that Government and media insist he is, or, we will learn that what the media print, is not all that it seems. Until he speaks, the people of Britain will never know for sure and will continue to go by what is read in newspapers. Question Time is an ideal opportunity at last for the country to hear Griffin in debate with Jack Straw. Surely, if Griffin is the fascist rascist we are told he is, it is an ideal chance to have him exposed, is it not?
How perverse and Ironic that the man they accuse of being a fascist is to be denied his right to freedom of speech.
I suppose the media could be sued for slander if they are bandying about such evil lies:-2 I think maybe they should let him speak ,, maybe he should be asked some uncomfortable questions
Nick Griffin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Criminal charges
1998
In 1998, Griffin was convicted of violating section 19 of the Public Order Act 1986, relating to the offence of 'publishing or distributing racially inflammatory written material' in issue 12 of The Rune, published in 1996. Griffin's comments in the magazine were reported to the police by Alex Carlile, then the Liberal Democrat Member of Parliament for Montgomeryshire. Following a police raid at Griffin's home, he was charged with distributing material likely to incite racial hatred.[47][48] Fellow BNP member Paul Ballard was also charged, but entered a guilty plea and did not stand trial. Griffin pleaded not guilty, and was tried at Harrow Crown Court. He called French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson, and Nationalist Osiris Akkebala as witnesses, but was found guilty and given a nine month sentence—suspended for two years—and a £2,300 fine (Ballard was given a six month sentence, also suspended for two years).[49][50][51][52]
I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the world is flat.
—Nick Griffin, [25]
Griffin also claimed that the law under which he was convicted was an unjust law and he therefore had no obligation to follow it.[47] He was also secretly recorded by the ITV programme The Cook Report in 1997 describing Carlile as "this bloody Jew ... whose only claim is that his grandparents died in the Holocaust".[28][53][54]
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Why don't they just let him speak?
Well said, Kaz.
The crowd: "Yes! We are all individuals!"
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Why don't they just let him speak?
oscar;1250774 wrote: Sunday Express | UK News :: Protest at BNP leader on BBC
This is becoming absurd.
Let's remind ourselves that we live in a Democratic Society where we have the freedom to vote for any bono fide registered political party of our choosing. The arrests we have seen over the past few months with clashes with police have been UAF members, supported and funded by David Cameron and Labour MP's. For years, the media have been telling us that Griffin is a holocaust denier and rascist. So why do they not want him to speak.? One of two things will be made apparent on the 22nd on Question Time. One, he will be exposed for the rascist that Government and media insist he is, or, we will learn that what the media print, is not all that it seems. Until he speaks, the people of Britain will never know for sure and will continue to go by what is read in newspapers. Question Time is an ideal opportunity at last for the country to hear Griffin in debate with Jack Straw. Surely, if Griffin is the fascist rascist we are told he is, it is an ideal chance to have him exposed, is it not?
How perverse and Ironic that the man they accuse of being a fascist is to be denied his right to freedom of speech.
He is hiding behind a cloak of respectability. He needs his public profile to improve. He's hardly going to incriminate himself on the BBC. He'll worm and squirm his way out of the difficult questions
Its just that the rest of us aren't as gullible to it all as you are. You can continue all you want to be a BNP apologist, just dont expect us to take in all the drivvle
This is becoming absurd.
Let's remind ourselves that we live in a Democratic Society where we have the freedom to vote for any bono fide registered political party of our choosing. The arrests we have seen over the past few months with clashes with police have been UAF members, supported and funded by David Cameron and Labour MP's. For years, the media have been telling us that Griffin is a holocaust denier and rascist. So why do they not want him to speak.? One of two things will be made apparent on the 22nd on Question Time. One, he will be exposed for the rascist that Government and media insist he is, or, we will learn that what the media print, is not all that it seems. Until he speaks, the people of Britain will never know for sure and will continue to go by what is read in newspapers. Question Time is an ideal opportunity at last for the country to hear Griffin in debate with Jack Straw. Surely, if Griffin is the fascist rascist we are told he is, it is an ideal chance to have him exposed, is it not?
How perverse and Ironic that the man they accuse of being a fascist is to be denied his right to freedom of speech.
He is hiding behind a cloak of respectability. He needs his public profile to improve. He's hardly going to incriminate himself on the BBC. He'll worm and squirm his way out of the difficult questions
Its just that the rest of us aren't as gullible to it all as you are. You can continue all you want to be a BNP apologist, just dont expect us to take in all the drivvle
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
Why don't they just let him speak?
Clodhopper;1250796 wrote: Well said, Kaz.
thanks:)
Snowfire;1250803 wrote: He is hiding behind a cloak of respectability. He needs his public profile to improve. He's hardly going to incriminate himself on the BBC. He'll worm and squirm his way out of the difficult questions
Its just that the rest of us aren't as gullible to it all as you are. You can continue all you want to be a BNP apologist, just dont expect us to take in all the drivvle
Never in a million years!:)
thanks:)
Snowfire;1250803 wrote: He is hiding behind a cloak of respectability. He needs his public profile to improve. He's hardly going to incriminate himself on the BBC. He'll worm and squirm his way out of the difficult questions
Its just that the rest of us aren't as gullible to it all as you are. You can continue all you want to be a BNP apologist, just dont expect us to take in all the drivvle
Never in a million years!:)
FOC THREAD PART1
In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
Martin Luther King Jr.
Why don't they just let him speak?
I want to hear him speak. I am tired of the masses tromping on opinions just because they are dangereous or distasteful. LIFE is dangerous and distasteful. I dont want to live in a place where the minority get stiffled. Thats not democracy. I want to hear all ideas expressed. I am an intelligent person who can discern between falsehood and truth. For instance, a recent article was discussing just exactly what Britain wanted the Muslims of this country to integrate to? Pub crawlers? Yobs? Benefit fraudsters? Atheists? I feel they had a big point! Considering.
The ability to come to ones own conclusions on things is a right I refuse to budge on. But to come to my own conclusions I need to see ALL of the evidence. For MYSELF! Not just one part of what SOMEONE ELSE tells me is true. Never been a follower, me. I have plowed my own road for far too long to change now.
The ability to come to ones own conclusions on things is a right I refuse to budge on. But to come to my own conclusions I need to see ALL of the evidence. For MYSELF! Not just one part of what SOMEONE ELSE tells me is true. Never been a follower, me. I have plowed my own road for far too long to change now.
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
Why don't they just let him speak?
Raven;1250815 wrote: I want to hear him speak. I am tired of the masses tromping on opinions just because they are dangereous or distasteful. LIFE is dangerous and distasteful. I dont want to live in a place where the minority get stiffled. Thats not democracy. I want to hear all ideas expressed. I am an intelligent person who can discern between falsehood and truth. For instance, a recent article was discussing just exactly what Britain wanted the Muslims of this country to integrate to? Pub crawlers? Yobs? Benefit fraudsters? Atheists? I feel they had a big point! Considering.
The ability to come to ones own conclusions on things is a right I refuse to budge on. But to come to my own conclusions I need to see ALL of the evidence. For MYSELF! Not just one part of what SOMEONE ELSE tells me is true. Never been a follower, me. I have plowed my own road for far too long to change now.
well said Raven! . i agree you should be able to make up your own mind,, and yes quite a lot of people are able to do that and dont just blindly follow what newspapers tell us as some might think:rolleyes: There are probably a lot more people like you than others would believe:sneaky:
The ability to come to ones own conclusions on things is a right I refuse to budge on. But to come to my own conclusions I need to see ALL of the evidence. For MYSELF! Not just one part of what SOMEONE ELSE tells me is true. Never been a follower, me. I have plowed my own road for far too long to change now.
well said Raven! . i agree you should be able to make up your own mind,, and yes quite a lot of people are able to do that and dont just blindly follow what newspapers tell us as some might think:rolleyes: There are probably a lot more people like you than others would believe:sneaky:
FOC THREAD PART1
In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
Martin Luther King Jr.
Why don't they just let him speak?
Raven;1250815 wrote: I want to hear him speak. I am tired of the masses tromping on opinions just because they are dangereous or distasteful. LIFE is dangerous and distasteful. I dont want to live in a place where the minority get stiffled. Thats not democracy. I want to hear all ideas expressed. I am an intelligent person who can discern between falsehood and truth. For instance, a recent article was discussing just exactly what Britain wanted the Muslims of this country to integrate to? Pub crawlers? Yobs? Benefit fraudsters? Atheists? I feel they had a big point! Considering.
The ability to come to ones own conclusions on things is a right I refuse to budge on. But to come to my own conclusions I need to see ALL of the evidence. For MYSELF! Not just one part of what SOMEONE ELSE tells me is true. Never been a follower, me. I have plowed my own road for far too long to change now.
They're all relevent issues Raven and ones that should be discussed. I just don't know what a racist, facist thug can add to the discussion. It's quite clear where he stands. He will say nothing new, other than trying to make the bigotry he spews a little more palatable for the gullible
The ability to come to ones own conclusions on things is a right I refuse to budge on. But to come to my own conclusions I need to see ALL of the evidence. For MYSELF! Not just one part of what SOMEONE ELSE tells me is true. Never been a follower, me. I have plowed my own road for far too long to change now.
They're all relevent issues Raven and ones that should be discussed. I just don't know what a racist, facist thug can add to the discussion. It's quite clear where he stands. He will say nothing new, other than trying to make the bigotry he spews a little more palatable for the gullible
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
Why don't they just let him speak?
Whats wrong about opposing becoming an islamic country?
Bigotry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Noone called you a bigot when you opposed becoming Nazis!! You have ALWAYS opposed the French.
Whats wrong with opposing open immigration? You already have 60 million people here!! This is just an island!! Where do you propose putting others?
Bigotry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Noone called you a bigot when you opposed becoming Nazis!! You have ALWAYS opposed the French.
Whats wrong with opposing open immigration? You already have 60 million people here!! This is just an island!! Where do you propose putting others?
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
Why don't they just let him speak?
Raven;1250822 wrote: Whats wrong about opposing becoming an islamic country?
Bigotry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Noone called you a bigot when you opposed becoming Nazis!! You have ALWAYS opposed the French.
Whats wrong with opposing open immigration? You already have 60 million people here!! This is just an island!! Where do you propose putting others?
I no more want this to be an Islamic state, than a Christain fundamentalist state. This country is secular state and will continue to be one.
I just dont need Griffin or his zombie cohorts telling me what I should believe and that the holocaust didnt happen and that black people are second class citizens and that we're all gonna be beheaded if we sing Jay Z songs. No matter how he dresses it all up in pretty pink ribbons.
He is a racist
He is a Facist
He is a moronic thug and so are the rest of the BNP
What else is there to discuss about this political nonentity
Bigotry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Noone called you a bigot when you opposed becoming Nazis!! You have ALWAYS opposed the French.
Whats wrong with opposing open immigration? You already have 60 million people here!! This is just an island!! Where do you propose putting others?
I no more want this to be an Islamic state, than a Christain fundamentalist state. This country is secular state and will continue to be one.
I just dont need Griffin or his zombie cohorts telling me what I should believe and that the holocaust didnt happen and that black people are second class citizens and that we're all gonna be beheaded if we sing Jay Z songs. No matter how he dresses it all up in pretty pink ribbons.
He is a racist
He is a Facist
He is a moronic thug and so are the rest of the BNP
What else is there to discuss about this political nonentity
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
Why don't they just let him speak?
Snowfire;1250826 wrote: I no more want this to be an Islamic state, than a Christain fundamentalist state. This country is secular state and will continue to be one.
I just dont need Griffin or his zombie cohorts telling me what I should believe and that the holocaust didnt happen and that black people are second class citizens and that we're all gonna be beheaded if we sing Jay Z songs. No matter how he dresses it all up in pretty pink ribbons.
He is a racist
He is a Facist
He is a moronic thug and so are the rest of the BNP
What else is there to discuss about this political nonentity
But is he?? I havent seen anything out of him that backs your opinion up. All I have seen is the violence directed AT him. Not BY him!! Just what is it you would have me believe? I have not heard him say those things. I have only heard that YOU say he has. Do you see my point? Who REALLY says we would get beheaded for singing Jay Z songs? YOU? or HIM? Who is really the Bigot? YOU? or HIM? Look at that definition again. It seems more violence is levelled at HIS head than the other way around.
According to the definition of bigotry, it is those who oppose him versus those who support him that are the bigots.
Mind you, this is just what I have OBSERVED. I have only been in Britain for 6 years. But I have not read nor heard him deny the holocaust. But why is the holocaust held up as a level of measure? Of course we believe it did happen. We discovered the evidence for ourselves at the end of the war. But does that excuse our blindness and forgive our stubborness for not accepting refugees and not believing them at the beginning? I think not. I think the violence rendered at this man is just an expression of collective guilt over being a bigot in the first place.
I just dont need Griffin or his zombie cohorts telling me what I should believe and that the holocaust didnt happen and that black people are second class citizens and that we're all gonna be beheaded if we sing Jay Z songs. No matter how he dresses it all up in pretty pink ribbons.
He is a racist
He is a Facist
He is a moronic thug and so are the rest of the BNP
What else is there to discuss about this political nonentity
But is he?? I havent seen anything out of him that backs your opinion up. All I have seen is the violence directed AT him. Not BY him!! Just what is it you would have me believe? I have not heard him say those things. I have only heard that YOU say he has. Do you see my point? Who REALLY says we would get beheaded for singing Jay Z songs? YOU? or HIM? Who is really the Bigot? YOU? or HIM? Look at that definition again. It seems more violence is levelled at HIS head than the other way around.
According to the definition of bigotry, it is those who oppose him versus those who support him that are the bigots.
Mind you, this is just what I have OBSERVED. I have only been in Britain for 6 years. But I have not read nor heard him deny the holocaust. But why is the holocaust held up as a level of measure? Of course we believe it did happen. We discovered the evidence for ourselves at the end of the war. But does that excuse our blindness and forgive our stubborness for not accepting refugees and not believing them at the beginning? I think not. I think the violence rendered at this man is just an expression of collective guilt over being a bigot in the first place.
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
Why don't they just let him speak?
Raven;1250829 wrote: But is he?? I havent seen anything out of him that backs your opinion up. All I have seen is the violence directed AT him. Not BY him!! Just what is it you would have me believe? I have not heard him say those things. I have only heard that YOU say he has. Do you see my point? Who REALLY says we would get beheaded for singing Jay Z songs? YOU? or HIM? Who is really the Bigot? YOU? or HIM? Look at that definition again. It seems more violence is levelled at HIS head than the other way around.
According to the definition of bigotry, it is those who oppose him versus those who support him that are the bigots.
Mind you, this is just what I have OBSERVED. I have only been in Britain for 6 years. But I have not read nor heard him deny the holocaust. But why is the holocaust held up as a level of measure? Of course we believe it did happen. We discovered the evidence for ourselves at the end of the war. But does that excuse our blindness and forgive our stubborness for not accepting refugees and not believing them at the beginning? I think not. I think the violence rendered at this man is just an expression of collective guilt over being a bigot in the first place.
My Jay-Z comment was just a facetious, throw away comment, purely for effect. It was not meant as a serious comment on what he said - although he may well have said it under his breath...LOL
As for him being a racist and a facist. Dont take my word for it. I will post some links and I'm sure others here will to.
Brace yourself. You asked for it.
According to the definition of bigotry, it is those who oppose him versus those who support him that are the bigots.
Mind you, this is just what I have OBSERVED. I have only been in Britain for 6 years. But I have not read nor heard him deny the holocaust. But why is the holocaust held up as a level of measure? Of course we believe it did happen. We discovered the evidence for ourselves at the end of the war. But does that excuse our blindness and forgive our stubborness for not accepting refugees and not believing them at the beginning? I think not. I think the violence rendered at this man is just an expression of collective guilt over being a bigot in the first place.
My Jay-Z comment was just a facetious, throw away comment, purely for effect. It was not meant as a serious comment on what he said - although he may well have said it under his breath...LOL
As for him being a racist and a facist. Dont take my word for it. I will post some links and I'm sure others here will to.
Brace yourself. You asked for it.
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
Why don't they just let him speak?
I wish you would! I am sitting here shocked and amazed at the strength and voracity of opposition to ONE person! I am sure there must be good reason...isnt there? Mind you...I do enjoy playing devils advocate.
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
Why don't they just let him speak?
The BNP, its former leaders and present leader, Nick Griffin, have promoted anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial in the past. In 1996, writing in his own publication, The Rune, Griffin stated that:
I am well aware that orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into soup and lampshades. I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria.[38]
The following year, during a Cook Report documentary he stated:
There is no doubt that hundreds, probably thousands of Jews were shot to death in Eastern Europe, because they were rightly or wrongly seen as communists or potential partisan supporters. That was awful. But this nonsense about gas chambers is exposed as a total lie.[39]
This, to start off with, is an exerpt from an extensive article on Wikipedia.
British National Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sounds to me like a Holocaust denier. What we see from them now is a sanitised, dressed up in a suit and tie version of racist facism. Shaking hands with old ladies and kissing babies is just trying to make themselves accessable to the British public and distance themselves from their National Front roots. Their claims and aims remain the same
I am well aware that orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into soup and lampshades. I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria.[38]
The following year, during a Cook Report documentary he stated:
There is no doubt that hundreds, probably thousands of Jews were shot to death in Eastern Europe, because they were rightly or wrongly seen as communists or potential partisan supporters. That was awful. But this nonsense about gas chambers is exposed as a total lie.[39]
This, to start off with, is an exerpt from an extensive article on Wikipedia.
British National Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sounds to me like a Holocaust denier. What we see from them now is a sanitised, dressed up in a suit and tie version of racist facism. Shaking hands with old ladies and kissing babies is just trying to make themselves accessable to the British public and distance themselves from their National Front roots. Their claims and aims remain the same
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
Why don't they just let him speak?
Snowfire;1250836 wrote: The BNP, its former leaders and present leader, Nick Griffin, have promoted anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial in the past. In 1996, writing in his own publication, The Rune, Griffin stated that:
I am well aware that orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into soup and lampshades. I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria.[38]
The following year, during a Cook Report documentary he stated:
There is no doubt that hundreds, probably thousands of Jews were shot to death in Eastern Europe, because they were rightly or wrongly seen as communists or potential partisan supporters. That was awful. But this nonsense about gas chambers is exposed as a total lie.[39]
This, to start off with, is an exerpt from an extensive article on Wikipedia.
British National Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sounds to me like a Holocaust denier. What we see from them now is a sanitised, dressed up in a suit and tie version of racist facism. Shaking hands with old ladies and kissing babies is just trying to make themselves accessable to the British public and distance themselves from their National Front roots. Their claims and aims remain the same
Oh come on! You can do better than that! Wiki can be changed and added to by anybody!! I'm not allowed to use wikipedia as an evidence base! So neither can you!
I am well aware that orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into soup and lampshades. I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria.[38]
The following year, during a Cook Report documentary he stated:
There is no doubt that hundreds, probably thousands of Jews were shot to death in Eastern Europe, because they were rightly or wrongly seen as communists or potential partisan supporters. That was awful. But this nonsense about gas chambers is exposed as a total lie.[39]
This, to start off with, is an exerpt from an extensive article on Wikipedia.
British National Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sounds to me like a Holocaust denier. What we see from them now is a sanitised, dressed up in a suit and tie version of racist facism. Shaking hands with old ladies and kissing babies is just trying to make themselves accessable to the British public and distance themselves from their National Front roots. Their claims and aims remain the same
Oh come on! You can do better than that! Wiki can be changed and added to by anybody!! I'm not allowed to use wikipedia as an evidence base! So neither can you!
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
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Why don't they just let him speak?
For a basic overview on the BNP see the link.
BBC News | Programmes | Under the skin of the BNP
It's a few years old now, but still true. Worth noting that none of the named people have sued.
The BNP is actually evil and to be opposed completely. Under all circumstances.
BBC News | Programmes | Under the skin of the BNP
It's a few years old now, but still true. Worth noting that none of the named people have sued.
The BNP is actually evil and to be opposed completely. Under all circumstances.
The crowd: "Yes! We are all individuals!"
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Why don't they just let him speak?
There's nothing intrinsically wrong with wikipedia as a scource. People often complain when it shows something they were hoping not to see. Yes it can be edited. Those quotes have been there - unedited - for some years. Can the BNP leadership not read
Clodhopper and gmc are far better at finding this sort of thing and, I'm sure they will contribute. It takes me a little more time but if my last post is insufficient then I will persevere
Clodhopper and gmc are far better at finding this sort of thing and, I'm sure they will contribute. It takes me a little more time but if my last post is insufficient then I will persevere
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
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Why don't they just let him speak?
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotflim sorry there is no point in continuing as far as im concerned,, Raven i thought you meant it when you said you wanted to make up your own mind:rolleyes: I didnt think you went in for scaremongering,,, *we all have to change to Islam oh no!!* who said we were going to become an islamic country? what made you think that?
you dont need to answer really i think im finished in this thread Im off to have a nice Sunday Lunch:)
you dont need to answer really i think im finished in this thread
Im off to have a nice Sunday Lunch:)FOC THREAD PART1
In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
Martin Luther King Jr.
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Thank you Clod. It confirms what is posted in Wiki - that he is a Holocaust denier
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And we all know that the rest of the MPs are squeeky clean... 
Or are they? :-3
Read this and then decide...
Liars, Buggers and Thieves
Or are they? :-3
Read this and then decide...
Liars, Buggers and Thieves
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Enjoy your lunch Kaz. Maybe I should leave it for the moment. This sort of thing gives me indigestion :rolleyes:
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
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Hugh Janus;1250850 wrote: And we all know that the rest of the MPs are squeeky clean...
Or are they? :-3
Read this and then decide...
Liars, Buggers and Thieves
Reprehensible, every one of them. Does this negate the claims and aims of a bunch of racist morons ?
Or are they? :-3
Read this and then decide...
Liars, Buggers and Thieves
Reprehensible, every one of them. Does this negate the claims and aims of a bunch of racist morons ?
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And we all know that the rest of the MPs are squeeky clean...
Or are they?
Read this and then decide...
Why does the corruption of some mainstream politicians make fascism ok?
Some politicians are bad. Griffin and his ilk are worse. If you want to know what Britain under the BNP would be like, look at Fascist Germany.
Or are they?
Read this and then decide...
Why does the corruption of some mainstream politicians make fascism ok?
Some politicians are bad. Griffin and his ilk are worse. If you want to know what Britain under the BNP would be like, look at Fascist Germany.
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Snowfire;1250852 wrote: Reprehensible, every one of them. Does this negate the claims and aims of a bunch of racist morons ?
I think this just proves that the so called "establishment" are not as worthy as they like to make us believe.
Does it mean that what they say is absolute truth? Or are they speaking with a view to stop people hearing the real truth, using any skullduggery they can?
If the establishment are so certain of their case, then why do they try to stop the BNP exercising their right to "freedom of speech?"
Or is it really a case of, "you can only use your right of "free speech" if we agree with what you say?
And as for the ANL. Don't get me started on that bunch of wasters...
You might also like to read this little thing I just found... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/ap ... eofcommons
I think this just proves that the so called "establishment" are not as worthy as they like to make us believe.
Does it mean that what they say is absolute truth? Or are they speaking with a view to stop people hearing the real truth, using any skullduggery they can?
If the establishment are so certain of their case, then why do they try to stop the BNP exercising their right to "freedom of speech?"
Or is it really a case of, "you can only use your right of "free speech" if we agree with what you say?
And as for the ANL. Don't get me started on that bunch of wasters...
You might also like to read this little thing I just found... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/ap ... eofcommons
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why do they try to stop the BNP exercising their right to "freedom of speech?"
Having the scum on Question Time doesn't sound like squashing their freedom of speech.
The BNP are fascist racist holocaust denying filth.
I ask again: In what way does the corruption of some mainstream politicians make fascism acceptable?
Having the scum on Question Time doesn't sound like squashing their freedom of speech.
The BNP are fascist racist holocaust denying filth.
I ask again: In what way does the corruption of some mainstream politicians make fascism acceptable?
The crowd: "Yes! We are all individuals!"
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Hugh Janus;1250855 wrote: I think this just proves that the so called "establishment" are not as worthy as they like to make us believe.
Does it mean that what they say is absolute truth? Or are they speaking with a view to stop people hearing the real truth, using any skullduggery they can?
If the establishment are so certain of their case, then why do they try to stop the BNP exercising their right to "freedom of speech?"
Or is it really a case of, "you can only use your right of "free speech" if we agree with what you say?
And as for the ANL. Don't get me started on that bunch of wasters...
You might also like to read this little thing I just found... Racism rife in Commons, says MP | World news | The Observer
With regard to the Guardian report, I'm not suprised. The House of Commons must be bursting at the seams with old school tie Tories. Most of them have never experienced the world that WE live in
Does it mean that what they say is absolute truth? Or are they speaking with a view to stop people hearing the real truth, using any skullduggery they can?
If the establishment are so certain of their case, then why do they try to stop the BNP exercising their right to "freedom of speech?"
Or is it really a case of, "you can only use your right of "free speech" if we agree with what you say?
And as for the ANL. Don't get me started on that bunch of wasters...
You might also like to read this little thing I just found... Racism rife in Commons, says MP | World news | The Observer
With regard to the Guardian report, I'm not suprised. The House of Commons must be bursting at the seams with old school tie Tories. Most of them have never experienced the world that WE live in
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Clodhopper;1250863 wrote: Having the scum on Question Time doesn't sound like squashing their freedom of speech.
The BNP are fascist racist holocaust denying filth.
I ask again: In what way does the corruption of some mainstream politicians make fascism acceptable?
You are entitled to your opinions, as I am to mine.
I don't believe that it's fascist to want to preserve a countries identity.
I don't believe that it's fascist to expect immigrants to adapt to the country that they are entering, instead of wanting to change their adopted country to their own views and ideals. Do you?
Do you really think it's right to take doctors and nurses from a third world country to prop up the NHS, leaving that country to struggle on without decent medical provision. While your own trained doctors and nurses have moved to America where they get paid more? Can this be right?
If you moved to a non English speaking country, would you expect them to bend over backwards to print their forms etc in English, because you couldn't be bothered to learn their language? Would that be your idea of integration? Because it certainly isn't mine.
Would you say that all of the above is a fascist viewpoint? Or would you say that it is common sense?
The BNP are fascist racist holocaust denying filth.
I ask again: In what way does the corruption of some mainstream politicians make fascism acceptable?
You are entitled to your opinions, as I am to mine.
I don't believe that it's fascist to want to preserve a countries identity.
I don't believe that it's fascist to expect immigrants to adapt to the country that they are entering, instead of wanting to change their adopted country to their own views and ideals. Do you?
Do you really think it's right to take doctors and nurses from a third world country to prop up the NHS, leaving that country to struggle on without decent medical provision. While your own trained doctors and nurses have moved to America where they get paid more? Can this be right?
If you moved to a non English speaking country, would you expect them to bend over backwards to print their forms etc in English, because you couldn't be bothered to learn their language? Would that be your idea of integration? Because it certainly isn't mine.
Would you say that all of the above is a fascist viewpoint? Or would you say that it is common sense?
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I don't believe that it's fascist to want to preserve a countries identity.
What identity are you talking about preserving? All you mention is race issues. Do you think this should be a white only country? If you do, you are heading towards fascism (master race sort of thing).
I don't believe that it's fascist to expect immigrants to adapt to the country that they are entering, instead of wanting to change their adopted country to their own views and ideals. Do you?
None of the immigrants I am aware of behave that way. The ones I know personally (London is a very multicultural place) all work for a living and have adapted. I happen to think they add to our British culture. Can you imagine England without Curry? Would you want to?
Do you know any immigrants? Do they expect England to adapt to them?
It sounds to me as if you've let the scaremongering get to you.
Do you really think it's right to take doctors and nurses from a third world country to prop up the NHS, leaving that country to struggle on without decent medical provision. While your own trained doctors and nurses have moved to America where they get paid more? Can this be right?
What is your point? Do you want to ban doctors from emigrating or immigrating? Why doctors? Since my young brother is a NHS doctor and blond and has no intention of emigrating to America I'd say you are overstating the case. Last time I visited his hospital most people working there were British born, as far as I could see. Whether a doctor works in his or her own country is a matter for that doctor, not the state. Are you really saying that anyone who becomes a doctor may not move from their country of origin?
If you are, I'd say that's heading towards fascism.
If you moved to a non English speaking country, would you expect them to bend over backwards to print their forms etc in English, because you couldn't be bothered to learn their language? Would that be your idea of integration? Because it certainly isn't mine.
If I was the non-English speaking spouse of a legal immigrant, I would very much appreciate some forms being available in the language I spoke. I would learn English, but that takes time. Why do you object to forms being available in several languages? What possible harm does it do?
Would you say that all of the above is a fascist viewpoint? Or would you say that it is common sense?
I certainly wouldn't call it common sense. Fascist? Leaning in that direction.
What identity are you talking about preserving? All you mention is race issues. Do you think this should be a white only country? If you do, you are heading towards fascism (master race sort of thing).
I don't believe that it's fascist to expect immigrants to adapt to the country that they are entering, instead of wanting to change their adopted country to their own views and ideals. Do you?
None of the immigrants I am aware of behave that way. The ones I know personally (London is a very multicultural place) all work for a living and have adapted. I happen to think they add to our British culture. Can you imagine England without Curry? Would you want to?
Do you know any immigrants? Do they expect England to adapt to them?
It sounds to me as if you've let the scaremongering get to you.
Do you really think it's right to take doctors and nurses from a third world country to prop up the NHS, leaving that country to struggle on without decent medical provision. While your own trained doctors and nurses have moved to America where they get paid more? Can this be right?
What is your point? Do you want to ban doctors from emigrating or immigrating? Why doctors? Since my young brother is a NHS doctor and blond and has no intention of emigrating to America I'd say you are overstating the case. Last time I visited his hospital most people working there were British born, as far as I could see. Whether a doctor works in his or her own country is a matter for that doctor, not the state. Are you really saying that anyone who becomes a doctor may not move from their country of origin?
If you are, I'd say that's heading towards fascism.
If you moved to a non English speaking country, would you expect them to bend over backwards to print their forms etc in English, because you couldn't be bothered to learn their language? Would that be your idea of integration? Because it certainly isn't mine.
If I was the non-English speaking spouse of a legal immigrant, I would very much appreciate some forms being available in the language I spoke. I would learn English, but that takes time. Why do you object to forms being available in several languages? What possible harm does it do?
Would you say that all of the above is a fascist viewpoint? Or would you say that it is common sense?
I certainly wouldn't call it common sense. Fascist? Leaning in that direction.
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Kingston-upon-Thames. Not exactly Bradford is it?
I really think that you have no idea about the real world...
I think you are BBC, Brainwashed By Consensus...
I really think that you have no idea about the real world...
I think you are BBC, Brainwashed By Consensus...
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Abuse. Shrug.
Argue and debate, please. Your case is admittedly poor and your logic questionable, but if all you can do at this point is sneer it does not make your case any stronger.
Argue and debate, please. Your case is admittedly poor and your logic questionable, but if all you can do at this point is sneer it does not make your case any stronger.
The crowd: "Yes! We are all individuals!"
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Why don't they just let him speak?
Why is it that people who say they are fighting fascists seem to think that them acting like they accuse fascists of doing is OK. Fascists beating others up or causing damage is bad but anti-fascists doing it is just fine. Extremists of any kind left, right, religion or even lately climate change seem to think that only direct action and violence will get their point across as the rest of us are obviously stupid or we would agree with them on everything. Well ALL of them should be banned from propagating such extreme views without letting others have differing ideas. Just because you are willing to destroy things or shout loud does not mean you are right...
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FUBAR: Because fascism leads to the concentration camp, the Warsaw ghetto, torture, the secret police and state enforced conformity with the will of the Leader on pain of death. The BNP is a fascist organisation. It is NOT a proper political party like Conservative or Republican or Christian Democrat.
We have become complacent in the unprecented peace the EU has given us and do not recognise real evil when it rears its head. This is not a case for toleration of a different view because toleration of fascism is toleration of a political system that has, in EVERY case where they have achieved power, used state sponsored murder as a means of control, with a combined death toll in the tens of millions.
I shouldn't condone the use of violence against the BNP, but when I think of what they represent and what they would do to us, I really struggle.
We have become complacent in the unprecented peace the EU has given us and do not recognise real evil when it rears its head. This is not a case for toleration of a different view because toleration of fascism is toleration of a political system that has, in EVERY case where they have achieved power, used state sponsored murder as a means of control, with a combined death toll in the tens of millions.
I shouldn't condone the use of violence against the BNP, but when I think of what they represent and what they would do to us, I really struggle.
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Clodhopper;1250897 wrote: The BNP is a fascist organisation. It is NOT a proper political party like Conservative or Republican or Christian Democrat.
Idiot! Of course they are a proper political party. That's how they got elected to the European parliament. It's only professional agitators like you that would deny this FACT!
I strongly suspect that you are not even British. Why else would you push for multiculteralism, when it seems a great many people are against it.
Only a non Brit would use Conservative or Republican or Christian Democrat, to highlight other political parties. A Brit would have said, Labour. Conservative, or LibDem.
You decry facism, yet you are acting in exactly the same way.
Your post regarding taking direct action against the BNP proves that.
Idiot! Of course they are a proper political party. That's how they got elected to the European parliament. It's only professional agitators like you that would deny this FACT!
I strongly suspect that you are not even British. Why else would you push for multiculteralism, when it seems a great many people are against it.
Only a non Brit would use Conservative or Republican or Christian Democrat, to highlight other political parties. A Brit would have said, Labour. Conservative, or LibDem.
You decry facism, yet you are acting in exactly the same way.
Your post regarding taking direct action against the BNP proves that.
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Idiot! Of course they are a proper political party. That's how they got elected to the European parliament. It's only professional agitators like you that would deny this FACT!
I'm not a professional agitator. But thanks for the compliment.
The Nazis were elected to the Reichstag. It doesn't mean they were a proper, respectable political party. They were a bunch of murderous thugs. So are the BNP. Both parties are fascist. Both are racist. One achieved power and killed millions. I'm not prepared to see the other get the chance.
I strongly suspect that you are not even British. Why else would you push for multiculteralism, when it seems a great many people are against it.
Only a non Brit would use Conservative or Republican or Christian Democrat, to highlight other political parties. A Brit would have said, Labour. Conservative, or LibDem.
British born and bred. I'm English and British and European. Born in London. Raised in the East Midlands. Dad English, Mum Irish. Dad's family originated in the Scottish borders and migrated south over a few hundred years. Oh, and my Christian name is Welsh.:wah:
So you are completely wrong about that. I do not know where FUBAR is from, so I used one political party from Britain, one from America, and one from Europe. All meant to be respectable right wing equivalents, though I'm rather hazy about the Christian Democrats.
I'm pro multiculturalism because I believe we as a country are stronger and better for the infusion of new ideas and people. It has always been so. We are Anglo-Saxon - that's two tribes for a start, and add in a few Jutes and assorted others for flavour. Lot of intermarriage with the native British (as well as wholesale killing). Then we had the Normans - changed the language to English. Then we had a lot of French as part of the Angevin Empire and then persecution of Protestants in France, a load of Dutch especially in East Anglia and the first black people in Cardiff in the early C17th (by-products of the slave trade :-1 But they were free in Britain because a judge (I forget who) said that the air of Britain was so pure that any who breathed it became free :-6). London was for a long while a major world port and we developed large numbers of foreigners from all over the Empire and the world from the C17th onward.
Multicultural is not a choice - it is what we are: The British. The Mongrel Nations. And proud of it.
You decry facism, yet you are acting in exactly the same way.
Your post regarding taking direct action against the BNP proves that.
If the choice is between a BNP government and violence then I choose violence. With some things there are no compromises. Fascism is one of them because it has always led to terrible evil. It IS a terrible evil. The BNP are fascist.
Fortunately it has not yet come to that. I trust it never will. But I will not allow a fascist government of this country while there is anything I can do to stop it.
I'm not a professional agitator. But thanks for the compliment.
The Nazis were elected to the Reichstag. It doesn't mean they were a proper, respectable political party. They were a bunch of murderous thugs. So are the BNP. Both parties are fascist. Both are racist. One achieved power and killed millions. I'm not prepared to see the other get the chance.
I strongly suspect that you are not even British. Why else would you push for multiculteralism, when it seems a great many people are against it.
Only a non Brit would use Conservative or Republican or Christian Democrat, to highlight other political parties. A Brit would have said, Labour. Conservative, or LibDem.
British born and bred. I'm English and British and European. Born in London. Raised in the East Midlands. Dad English, Mum Irish. Dad's family originated in the Scottish borders and migrated south over a few hundred years. Oh, and my Christian name is Welsh.:wah:
So you are completely wrong about that. I do not know where FUBAR is from, so I used one political party from Britain, one from America, and one from Europe. All meant to be respectable right wing equivalents, though I'm rather hazy about the Christian Democrats.
I'm pro multiculturalism because I believe we as a country are stronger and better for the infusion of new ideas and people. It has always been so. We are Anglo-Saxon - that's two tribes for a start, and add in a few Jutes and assorted others for flavour. Lot of intermarriage with the native British (as well as wholesale killing). Then we had the Normans - changed the language to English. Then we had a lot of French as part of the Angevin Empire and then persecution of Protestants in France, a load of Dutch especially in East Anglia and the first black people in Cardiff in the early C17th (by-products of the slave trade :-1 But they were free in Britain because a judge (I forget who) said that the air of Britain was so pure that any who breathed it became free :-6). London was for a long while a major world port and we developed large numbers of foreigners from all over the Empire and the world from the C17th onward.
Multicultural is not a choice - it is what we are: The British. The Mongrel Nations. And proud of it.
You decry facism, yet you are acting in exactly the same way.
Your post regarding taking direct action against the BNP proves that.
If the choice is between a BNP government and violence then I choose violence. With some things there are no compromises. Fascism is one of them because it has always led to terrible evil. It IS a terrible evil. The BNP are fascist.
Fortunately it has not yet come to that. I trust it never will. But I will not allow a fascist government of this country while there is anything I can do to stop it.
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....and I completely forgot the Vikings. You live in Bradford - well inside the Danelaw. Good chance a big chunk of your genetic inheritance is Scandinavian if you originate anywhere north and east of a line drawn between Chester and London.
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"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same in any country." - Hermann Goering (1893 - 1946), 2nd in command of the Third Reich
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same in any country." - Hermann Goering (1893 - 1946), 2nd in command of the Third Reich
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Firstly, just because one posts a thread on the BNP, DON'T accuse them of being a fascist, rascist moron.
Second, Nick Griffin has NEVER denied the holocaust. That I know for fact is a blatent lie banded about by media and any website who fancies having a pop at him. If any of you had bothered to watch 'Despatches' about BNP wives, you would have heard for yourself, members stating that Griffin has never denied the Holocaust. As a historian, he has questioned the numbers of Jews sent to the gas chambers as they claim. You can not obtain legal aid for slander and libel and at the time the media claimed Griffin was a holocaust denier, he did not have the funds to sue, nor will he use Party funds to sue. Is this what the UAF are so dreading when he appears on 'Question Time? That Griffin may actually prove he never said it?
What I object to in this whole pathetic, frantic efforts to stop him speaking, is as Raven said... we are capable of making our own minds up.
He is an elected member of the European Parliment of a bono fide registered political party... no different to any other registered party. We are suppossed to be a democratic society where we even allow hate preachers like Abu Hamza the freedom of speech to spew hatred from Finsbury Park without arrest. We allow Islamic Fanatics to line our streets in Luton hurling abuse at our home-coming troops yet apparently, one man is so dangerous that he can't have a question and answer debate on tv.
I find it comical, the posts that say Griffin will be briefed and prepared for the debate. Of course he will be... he has a press agent, the same as any Politician does, but do you really think that the Labour and Tory MP's who will face him, won't be briefed by their spin doctors ready for him? Infact, they will be doing all they can to antagonise him and catch him out. Do you really think that everything that comes out of Politicians mouths is the truth? Oh Please !!!
I am not defending Griffin... but I do defend the right to hear an elected Politician having the right to speak.
Second, Nick Griffin has NEVER denied the holocaust. That I know for fact is a blatent lie banded about by media and any website who fancies having a pop at him. If any of you had bothered to watch 'Despatches' about BNP wives, you would have heard for yourself, members stating that Griffin has never denied the Holocaust. As a historian, he has questioned the numbers of Jews sent to the gas chambers as they claim. You can not obtain legal aid for slander and libel and at the time the media claimed Griffin was a holocaust denier, he did not have the funds to sue, nor will he use Party funds to sue. Is this what the UAF are so dreading when he appears on 'Question Time? That Griffin may actually prove he never said it?
What I object to in this whole pathetic, frantic efforts to stop him speaking, is as Raven said... we are capable of making our own minds up.
He is an elected member of the European Parliment of a bono fide registered political party... no different to any other registered party. We are suppossed to be a democratic society where we even allow hate preachers like Abu Hamza the freedom of speech to spew hatred from Finsbury Park without arrest. We allow Islamic Fanatics to line our streets in Luton hurling abuse at our home-coming troops yet apparently, one man is so dangerous that he can't have a question and answer debate on tv.
I find it comical, the posts that say Griffin will be briefed and prepared for the debate. Of course he will be... he has a press agent, the same as any Politician does, but do you really think that the Labour and Tory MP's who will face him, won't be briefed by their spin doctors ready for him? Infact, they will be doing all they can to antagonise him and catch him out. Do you really think that everything that comes out of Politicians mouths is the truth? Oh Please !!!
I am not defending Griffin... but I do defend the right to hear an elected Politician having the right to speak.
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oscar;1250931 wrote:
I am not defending Griffin...
Yes you are. You just took several paragraphs doing exactly that
I am not defending Griffin...
Yes you are. You just took several paragraphs doing exactly that
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Snowfire;1250933 wrote: Yes you are. You just took several paragraphs doing exactly that
That's not debate, that's arguement.
I would say the same for Andrew Brons.. the 2nd elected member of The European parliment if it were he that were due to speak.
It is perverse that the media accuses the BNP of instilling anti-Islamic fear yet what do you think you are doing by objecting so loudly to one man speaking?
That's not debate, that's arguement.
I would say the same for Andrew Brons.. the 2nd elected member of The European parliment if it were he that were due to speak.
It is perverse that the media accuses the BNP of instilling anti-Islamic fear yet what do you think you are doing by objecting so loudly to one man speaking?
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FUBAR;1250892 wrote: Why is it that people who say they are fighting fascists seem to think that them acting like they accuse fascists of doing is OK. Fascists beating others up or causing damage is bad but anti-fascists doing it is just fine. Extremists of any kind left, right, religion or even lately climate change seem to think that only direct action and violence will get their point across as the rest of us are obviously stupid or we would agree with them on everything. Well ALL of them should be banned from propagating such extreme views without letting others have differing ideas. Just because you are willing to destroy things or shout loud does not mean you are right...
Well said. What also makes me chuckle is that on this very forum, we have members of the BNP and they are the last members you would think. The oppossers of the BNP happily converse with these people on this forum totally in the dark as to who they are. That's where private messaging comes in handy. :wah:
Well said. What also makes me chuckle is that on this very forum, we have members of the BNP and they are the last members you would think. The oppossers of the BNP happily converse with these people on this forum totally in the dark as to who they are. That's where private messaging comes in handy. :wah:
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Why don't they just let him speak?
oscar;1250945 wrote: Well said. What also makes me chuckle is that on this very forum, we have members of the BNP and they are the last members you would think. The oppossers of the BNP happily converse with these people on this forum totally in the dark as to who they are. That's where private messaging comes in handy. :wah:
well well well
there are racist on fg who would of thought it :rolleyes::rolleyes:
and if they are not ashamed of being racists why the need to pm each other about it :rolleyes::rolleyes:
groan the pro fascist movement strikes again
i think i will have to dig up the old are the BNP racist threads ,so i can read oscar having a meltdown again :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
well well well
there are racist on fg who would of thought it :rolleyes::rolleyes:
and if they are not ashamed of being racists why the need to pm each other about it :rolleyes::rolleyes:
groan the pro fascist movement strikes again
i think i will have to dig up the old are the BNP racist threads ,so i can read oscar having a meltdown again :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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Why don't they just let him speak?
Second, Nick Griffin has NEVER denied the holocaust.
Yes he did:
On the Holocaust
Between 1995 and 1997, Nick Griffin edited 'The Rune'. Griffin referred to the Holocaust as a "Holohoax".
In 1998 Nick Griffin said, "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat... I have reached the conclusion that the "extermination" tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."
On immigration
In 1995 Griffin, wrote an article in the Rune. He said, "Mass alien immigration and suicidally low birthrate mean that the White Race is poised on the brink of a precipice of rapid and irreversible decline. If we do not step back now, we face political and then physical extinction. A stark choice. UNITE OR DIE!"
On homosexuality
Griffin wrote an article for Spearhead in June 1999 after the Admiral Duncan pub bombing. He said, "The TV footage of dozens of gay demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures so repulsive."
On the BNP
In 1995 he wrote in the Rune, "the electors of Millwall did not back a post modernist rightist party but what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
In April 2001 Griffin spoke to the American Friends of the BNP. He said, "So, what are we now doing with the British National Party? Well we tried to simplify its message in some ways and to make it a saleable message. So it's not white supremacy or racial civil war or anything like that, which is what we know in fact is going on, and we're not supremacists, we're white survivalists, even that frightens people. Four apple pie words, freedom, security, identity and democracy."
And the link below is to a youtube clip. I don't know how to post clips so you'll have to look. The whole page is quite interesting.
Griffin Holocaust denial - Google Videos
Yes he did:
On the Holocaust
Between 1995 and 1997, Nick Griffin edited 'The Rune'. Griffin referred to the Holocaust as a "Holohoax".
In 1998 Nick Griffin said, "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat... I have reached the conclusion that the "extermination" tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."
On immigration
In 1995 Griffin, wrote an article in the Rune. He said, "Mass alien immigration and suicidally low birthrate mean that the White Race is poised on the brink of a precipice of rapid and irreversible decline. If we do not step back now, we face political and then physical extinction. A stark choice. UNITE OR DIE!"
On homosexuality
Griffin wrote an article for Spearhead in June 1999 after the Admiral Duncan pub bombing. He said, "The TV footage of dozens of gay demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures so repulsive."
On the BNP
In 1995 he wrote in the Rune, "the electors of Millwall did not back a post modernist rightist party but what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
In April 2001 Griffin spoke to the American Friends of the BNP. He said, "So, what are we now doing with the British National Party? Well we tried to simplify its message in some ways and to make it a saleable message. So it's not white supremacy or racial civil war or anything like that, which is what we know in fact is going on, and we're not supremacists, we're white survivalists, even that frightens people. Four apple pie words, freedom, security, identity and democracy."
And the link below is to a youtube clip. I don't know how to post clips so you'll have to look. The whole page is quite interesting.
Griffin Holocaust denial - Google Videos
The crowd: "Yes! We are all individuals!"
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
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Why don't they just let him speak?
The oppossers of the BNP happily converse with these people on this forum totally in the dark as to who they are.
I have my suspicions. I prefer to try to engage and convert. Better to let them express the lies they've believed and refute them.
I have my suspicions. I prefer to try to engage and convert. Better to let them express the lies they've believed and refute them.
The crowd: "Yes! We are all individuals!"
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Why don't they just let him speak?
oscar;1250945 wrote: Well said. What also makes me chuckle is that on this very forum, we have members of the BNP and they are the last members you would think. The oppossers of the BNP happily converse with these people on this forum totally in the dark as to who they are. That's where private messaging comes in handy. :wah:
What a pity they don't have the courage to come out in the open then. Are they ashamed-are the BNP the gays of the political world in the closet in case someone is nasty to them? If they have something to say come out and say it. You are the one arguing the BNP should be able to speak freely, this forum is anonymous no one is going to turn up on their doorstep so come on out then you secretive wankers
What a pity they don't have the courage to come out in the open then. Are they ashamed-are the BNP the gays of the political world in the closet in case someone is nasty to them? If they have something to say come out and say it. You are the one arguing the BNP should be able to speak freely, this forum is anonymous no one is going to turn up on their doorstep so come on out then you secretive wankers
Why don't they just let him speak?
Clodhopper;1250953 wrote: Yes he did:
And the link below is to a youtube clip. I don't know how to post clips so you'll have to look. The whole page is quite interesting.
Griffin Holocaust denial - Google Videos
oh thanks cloddy ,,, saved me a job:)
And the link below is to a youtube clip. I don't know how to post clips so you'll have to look. The whole page is quite interesting.
Griffin Holocaust denial - Google Videos
oh thanks cloddy ,,, saved me a job:)
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In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
Martin Luther King Jr.
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Why don't they just let him speak?
gmc;1250956 wrote: What a pity they don't have the courage to come out in the open then. Are they ashamed-are the BNP the gays of the political world in the closet in case someone is nasty to them? If they have something to say come out and say it. You are the one arguing the BNP should be able to speak freely, this forum is anonymous no one is going to turn up on their doorstep so come on out then you secretive wankers
That's not the point I was making Auld yin. The point was.. we converse with folk on this forum who are normal decent, likable people. Up until i wrote that post, you had no Idea who they were or they were members of the BNP... Now suddenly... they are secretive wankers :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
That's not the point I was making Auld yin. The point was.. we converse with folk on this forum who are normal decent, likable people. Up until i wrote that post, you had no Idea who they were or they were members of the BNP... Now suddenly... they are secretive wankers :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
Why don't they just let him speak?
Its all quite clear in his own words when interviewed by Cook.
To all BNP members. Come Out, Come Out wherever you are !
To all BNP members. Come Out, Come Out wherever you are !
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
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oh thanks cloddy ,,, saved me a job
Nae probs.
Nae probs.
The crowd: "Yes! We are all individuals!"
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
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Snowfire;1250960 wrote: Its all quite clear in his own words when interviewed by Cook.
To all BNP members. Come Out, Come Out wherever you are !
So explain to me, UAF violence?
What I find Interesting in this thread is that anyone refering to the BNP automatically talks about Immigration. The BNP do actually have some excellent policies on foriegn affairs, crime, policing, health, education, enviromental issues etc etc. I have never seen one anti-BNP member discuss or even refer to these policies. So why do you so concentrate on the Immigration policey? That's bias is it it not on your part?
To all BNP members. Come Out, Come Out wherever you are !
So explain to me, UAF violence?
What I find Interesting in this thread is that anyone refering to the BNP automatically talks about Immigration. The BNP do actually have some excellent policies on foriegn affairs, crime, policing, health, education, enviromental issues etc etc. I have never seen one anti-BNP member discuss or even refer to these policies. So why do you so concentrate on the Immigration policey? That's bias is it it not on your part?
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon