Disability benefit for the work shy????

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:44 am

'Too weak to walk' disability claimant caught pounding the pavement as a traffic warden | Mail Online

I was at a meeting Thursday with local Councillors. The Tory's told me that If they come to power, they are going to have a massive clamp down one folk like the Chap in the above article. He claimed that GP's are handing out Disibility badges to the workshy along with the genuine folk and he wants a major over-haul of the whole system. One of the area's he said they will target is GP's classing folk suffering from depression, alcohol and drug abuse as 'Disbaled' and give the genuine disabled Increased benifits that they deserve.

How do you feel about this?

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:39 am

what some do here? They sit around drinking their beer all day and expect to get paid for it.:-5:-5

Perhaps if they didn't drink so much, they wouldn't need disabiltiy.

some do not warrant disability cheques.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:48 am

Odie;1256018 wrote: sounds like some here, they sit around drinking their beer all day and expect to get paid for it.:-5:-5

Perhaps if they didn't drink so much, they wouldn't need disabiltiy.

some do not warrant disability cheques.

I have a neighbour in her thirties who I knew was on benifit. She started ranting and raving one day to me that the Doctor had refused to re-new her claim for Disability benifit. I knew her well so was astonished that she was claiming Disablitiy Benifit. When I asked why she was disabled, she told me It was for depression. I never said anything to her but really wanted to say that she didn't look very depressed to me when I see her in the pubs 4 nights a week laughing her face off and buying her beer out of her benifit. She also stocks up on cut price booze and ciggs the moment she gets her cheque along with her cannibis. Because her Doc wouldn't renew the Disability benifit, she had to go on Jobseekers allowence which meant she had to look for work. She was livid. :wah:

minks · Post by **minks** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:19 pm

Odie;1256018 wrote: what some do here? They sit around drinking their beer all day and expect to get paid for it.:-5:-5

Perhaps if they didn't drink so much, they wouldn't need disabiltiy.

some do not warrant disability cheques.

youre talking about Manitoba aint ya hehehehehe

I have to agree these slackers have to be investigated further we have enabled lazy sloths too long, if they genuinly can contribute to society by working they darn well better.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:01 pm

We have them in the US as well not so much anymore as they have clamped down on what is declared a disability. They also use surprise visits on claimants and their physicians.

I was disabled for 10 years after breaking my neck I didn't want to be on it 1 day longer then was necessary. The paper work is over the top here your have to go through a complete re-evaluation every 2 years with your physician's and a panel of doctors that the government sends you to also. I also had long term disability through my employer so I had to do their massive amounts of paper work as well. :-5

Unless it's an easier process in the UK I hated every day I was on it even thought I needed every day I was on it to recover and get back to work.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:13 pm

CARLA;1256043 wrote: We have them in the US as well not so much anymore as they have clamped down on what is declared a disability. They also use surprise visits on claimants and their physicians.

I was disabled for 10 years after breaking my neck I didn't want to be on it 1 day longer then was necessary. The paper work is over the top here your have to go through a complete re-evaluation every 2 years with your physician's and a panel of doctors that the government sends you to also. I also had long term disability through my employer so I had to do their massive amounts of paper work as well. :-5

Unless it's an easier process in the UK I hated every day I was on it even thought I needed every day I was on it to recover and get back to work.
Thanks Carla for that... Would you mind If I related your post to the Councillors at our next meeting as they are looking at ways this country can tighten up the system here.? A panal of Physicans by the Government sounds a great way to weed out some of the spongers here.

So glad you recovered to be here. :-6

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:26 pm

Sure we don't have a perfect system but it is better than most. The sad part is people that actually need the benefits are often denied or die before they get them. We have advocates here to help those in need who don't know how to fill out all the forms or get their doctors in line with the process.

The checks and balances are better now as the process is reviewed every 2 years regardless if it is a permanent disability when you first applied. As we all know slackers will use the system as much as they can.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:33 pm

CARLA;1256048 wrote: Sure we don't have a perfect system but it is better than most. The sad part is people that actually need the benefits are often denied or die before they get them. We have advocates here to help those in need who don't know how to fill out all the forms or get their doctors in line with the process.

The checks and balances are better now as the process is reviewed every 2 years regardless if it is a permanent disability when you first applied. As we all know slackers will use the system as much as they can.
It sounds an excellent set up. Will Obama be changing anything about It under his health care over-haul? Do you regard depression as a disabilty in the States? I'd be very Interested to hear.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:46 pm

I'm not sure if it will change under the new plan. YES depression is considered a disability but the guideline are very strict as with all disabilities you have to have several physicians that agree and a panel as well. In order to get SSD you have to wait 2 years from the time of your disability to even qualify for any benefits which can be devastating if you don't have long term disability benefits from you employer. You then have to apply for Medical benefits through your state system which is yet another large process. The processes here are long and grueling and there are no guarantees you will get the benefits. They also go after physicians who use the system as well.

[QUOTE]It sounds an excellent set up. Will Obama be changing anything about It under his health care over-haul? Do you regard depression as a disabilty in the States? I'd be very Interested to hear.[/QUOTE]

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:54 pm

CARLA;1256054 wrote: I'm not sure if it will change under the new plan. YES depression is considered a disability but the guideline are very strict as with all disabilities you have to have several physicians that agree and a panel as well. In order to get SSD you have to wait 2 years from the time of your disability to even qualify for any benefits which can be devastating if you don't have long term disability benefits from you employer. You then have to apply for Medical benefits through your state system which is yet another large process. The processes here are long and grueling and there are no guarantees you will get the benefits. They also go after physicians who use the system as well. That is stark comapred to the UK. From what I see of my neighbour, you simply have to be given a prescription for anti-depressents from your Doctor and that's it. I am going to do some research into it to learn more. Don't get me wrong... Any poor sole suffering from manic depression must be declared disbaled but so many take the pisse here. I really get annoyed when they are having holidays in the sun on benifit and pensioners who have worked all their lives can't pay their heating bills.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:44 pm

No a perscription to an anti-depressant won't get you a disabilty here not by a long shot. If that were the case half the country would be disabled. :wah: Benefits are reviewed every 2 years for the first 4 years if I remember correctly then you can go 5 or 7 years before the next review. But the option for them to review your case can be done at anytime.

http://www.ssa.gov/disability/

[QUOTE]That is stark comapred to the UK. From what I see of my neighbour, you simply have to be given a prescription for anti-depressents from your Doctor and that's it. I am going to do some research into it to learn more. Don't get me wrong... Any poor sole suffering from manic depression must be declared disbaled but so many take the pisse here. I really get annoyed when they are having holidays in the sun on benifit and pensioners who have worked all their lives can't pay their heating bills.[/QUOTE]

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:09 pm

My doctor has asked me to file for disability. I can't NOT work. I just recently found out that here in the U.S. we have working while disabled disability. Most people would not even attempt to work with the pain I feel after a 6 1/2 hour day. If I do file for working while disabled, I may be able to cut down on days, and if I would become totally disabled, it would make it easier to get full disability.

I don't think the U.S. any longer recognizes alcoholism as a disability.

I do know when you file for disability, you must get all your records from all your doctors, and fill out tons of paperwork. You then are referred to specialist, which you do not pay for, but you must show for each and every appointment no matter what. If you really need the disability, you'll be there.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:23 pm

Maybe benefit should be handed out as a voucher rather than cash, that can be redeemable at the supermarkets. The vouchers can be exchanged for food, paying bills etc but not for beer and cigarettes.

My mums neighbour has never done a days work in his life. He stay in all day with a bottle of sherry and goodness knows how many packets of cigarettes. The house stinks like an old ashtray and the weeds in the garden are 6 foot high. The benefits he recieves seem to do him quite nicely

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:34 pm

Snowfire;1256087 wrote: Maybe benefit should be handed out as a voucher rather than cash, that can be redeemable at the supermarkets. The vouchers can be exchanged for food, paying bills etc but not for beer and cigarettes.

My mums neighbour has never done a days work in his life. He stay in all day with a bottle of sherry and goodness knows how many packets of cigarettes. The house stinks like an old ashtray and the weeds in the garden are 6 foot high. The benefits he recieves seem to do him quite nicely
The Tories were talking about replacing benifit with food vouchers for mothers like my neighbour whos' kids are thin and grubby while she stokes up on cut price booze and ciggs. The big question is how do we get round the problem the US has with food stamps where they are sold on for cash? One very good Idea that was posted here on another thread was crediting store card reward cards so that only food could be redeemed at the checkout. The drawback I see with that, is that the cashiers would become 'Food Police' and possibly subjected to abuse when refusing to sell them alcohol and ciggs. I do think the Idea of repacing some of the benifit with vouchers that can only be redeemed for Utility bills is a good Idea.

I smoke and my house stinks of ciggs :wah: And... have you seen the nettles in my garden??? :yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:36 pm

Peg;1256086 wrote: My doctor has asked me to file for disability. I can't NOT work. I just recently found out that here in the U.S. we have working while disabled disability. Most people would not even attempt to work with the pain I feel after a 6 1/2 hour day. If I do file for working while disabled, I may be able to cut down on days, and if I would become totally disabled, it would make it easier to get full disability.

I don't think the U.S. any longer recognizes alcoholism as a disability.

I do know when you file for disability, you must get all your records from all your doctors, and fill out tons of paperwork. You then are referred to specialist, which you do not pay for, but you must show for each and every appointment no matter what. If you really need the disability, you'll be there.
Peg, So sorry to hear you are in pain. Sending you hugs. :-4

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:45 pm

oscar;1256045 wrote: Thanks Carla for that... Would you mind If I related your post to the Councillors at our next meeting as they are looking at ways this country can tighten up the system here.? A panal of Physicans by the Government sounds a great way to weed out some of the spongers here.

So glad you recovered to be here. :-6This is already in place in the UK, long term sick claimants have to attend a doctor interviews every 3 months to be assessed.

My sister works for jobcentre plus and the directive is, to get long term DLA and sickness claimants back into work.

The problem she feels is the people with mental health issues, bi-polar etc is, when they go for the interview they are asked questions like can you touch your toes etc, to check their dexterity.

The problems start when they have to attend interviews, filling in forms etc, they start to go to pieces, She's interviewed a number of people that clearly just aren't fit for work.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:01 pm

In my state, food stamps have been replaced with a card you use and enter a PIN number. I'm sure people are still finding ways to get around it. When I worked in a store, you couldn't buy hot foods that were already made like chicken, but that didn't stop them from trying.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:11 pm

abbey;1256096 wrote: This is already in place in the UK, long term sick claimants have to attend a doctor interviews every 3 months to be assessed.

My sister works for jobcentre plus and the directive is, to get long term DLA and sickness claimants back into work.

The problem she feels is the people with mental health issues, bi-polar etc is, when they go for the interview they are asked questions like can you touch your toes etc, to check their dexterity.

The problems start when they have to attend interviews, filling in forms etc, they start to go to pieces, She's interviewed a number of people that clearly just aren't fit for work. As I said before, bi-Polar sufferes etc must be registered disabled. It is the one's like my neighbour where I just don't get It Abbey. I see this woman in the street nearly every day, and she send the kids round when her electric runs out and she wants a tenner. there is nothing depressed about being in the pub 4 nights a week and having your wacky Baccy mates round smoking and drinking all day. The Doctor has just turned down a re-newed application for disabliity for her yet one night, she rang my husband up and asked If he'd drive her Into a certain area of town and bring her back again. I was suspicious so he made an excuse. She must have got desperate because later that night, she posted on facebook that she had cycled a round trip of 7 miles to get her dope ( No, I don't mean her boyfriend). When her little boy was in my house one day, he did not know the difference between an apple and a pear in my fruit bowl. She phones our friends take-away for a delivery of kebabs 3 times a week yet It's all on benifit. Her children are grubby and under-fed and she told me very recently that our GP had put her forward for IVF on the NHS because It looks like her new man has a plumbing problem. people like this just make me rant and rave.... Sorry