Tories propose benifit overhaul..

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:16 am

Daily Express | UK News :: Tories to make the UK work

I don't see anything I have read where they are targeting the bone Idle.

It's all very well talking about folk who have lost their jobs, but I don't think It is those who need targeting. Most folk losing their job to redundancy want to work. It Is the reckless and bone Idle that need bringing to task.

I would like to see food vouchers replaced for cash where there is evidence folks are buying booze and Ciggs before food and Utility bills for their children.

More Government reward for companies offering youth training schemes and apprenticships.

Mothers and Unemployed teenagers who's children are at school all day, having to work unpaid in the community in return for benifit hand-outs.

Any more suggestions?

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:34 am

benefits meaning less money than you would have if you were working

maybe still helping out with rent or council tax if you taek a lower paid job?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:43 am

kazalala;1256969 wrote: benefits meaning less money than you would have if you were working

maybe still helping out with rent or council tax if you taek a lower paid job?
Yes, Income support is needed to top up low paid wages to the National Level.

I myself would also like to see child benifit means tested. I don't see why some-one who employs a Gardener, a nanny and a cleaner should be drawing child benifit along with the single mum struggling on a minimum wage

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:53 am

oscar;1256970 wrote: Yes, Income support is needed to top up low paid wages to the National Level.

I myself would also like to see child benifit means tested. I don't see why some-one who employs a Gardener, a nanny and a cleaner should be drawing child benifit along with the single mum struggling on a minimum wage

well yes ,, maybe if its not really needed then the money could be better spent elsewhere. The only thing about means testing is though there has to be a limit,, an amount where thats it you dont qualify,,, then it always seems a bit crappy for the one who is one pound over the top:wah:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:05 am

kazalala;1256971 wrote: well yes ,, maybe if its not really needed then the money could be better spent elsewhere. The only thing about means testing is though there has to be a limit,, an amount where thats it you dont qualify,,, then it always seems a bit crappy for the one who is one pound over the top:wah:
Yes, I think a bracket of earnings rather than a rigid cut off point.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:46 am

Maybe we should alter the MP's benefit structure so it's not worthwhile for them to fiddle their expenses. Jail time springs to mind. with some of them it's been quite blatant tax fraud. How in all conscience can they criticise anyone playing the benefit system when they have been doing exactly the same kind of thing with the expenses system. It beggars belief

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:51 am

gmc;1256985 wrote: Maybe we should alter the MP's benefit structure so it's not worthwhile for them to fiddle their expenses. Jail time springs to mind. with some of them it's been quite blatant tax fraud. How in all conscience can they criticise anyone playing the benefit system when they have been doing exactly the same kind of thing with the expenses system. It beggars belief
Have you seen the new report on MP's expenses? From what I've seen, there is still room for abuse.

I agree with you considering Benifit cheats are prosecuted and often Jailed. We should expect the same for the MP's.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:01 pm

oscar;1256988 wrote: Have you seen the new report on MP's expenses? From what I've seen, there is still room for abuse.

I agree with you considering Benifit cheats are prosecuted and often Jailed. We should expect the same for the MP's.

It's the double standards that get me. They play the system it's not their fault and they are keeping within the letter of the rules if not the spirit. If a benefit cheat does it he's a major criminal bankrupting the country-them and single mothers are ruining us all. Funny how single fathers are coping with a difficult situation but single mothers are scrounging wastrels that should have kept their legs crossed.

I'd love to see these bastards explaining to a recent war widow that they are now part of the benefit scrounging underclass that will be the ruination of us all.

I've got to stop posting for a while I think. I have an overwhelming to go out and beat the **** out of an MP.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:29 pm

gmc;1257048 wrote:

I've got to stop posting for a while I think. I have an overwhelming to go out and beat the **** out of an MP.

Wait ! I'll get me coat

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:37 am

Remember those childhood rhymes you used to have for guy fawkes to the tune of my darling Clementine you know- build a bonfire build a bonfire put the teacher on the top?

how about a contemporary one?

Build a bonfire

Build a bonfire

Put New Labour on the top

Put the Tories in the middle

and burn the blooming lot

Or maybe you never harboured thoughts of setting fire to your the school:sneaky:

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:58 am

gmc;1257155 wrote: Remember those childhood rhymes you used to have for guy fawkes to the tune of my darling Clementine you know- build a bonfire build a bonfire put the teacher on the top?

how about a contemporary one?

Build a bonfire

Build a bonfire

Put New Labour on the top

Put the Tories in the middle

and burn the blooming lot

Or maybe you never harboured thoughts of setting fire to your the school:sneaky:
Thats actually a decent rhyme! Well done!:yh_clap But I think you should include liberals too. (pssst guy fawkes thought the same thing) maybe his idea wasnt so bad!

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:04 pm

Raven;1257199 wrote: Thats actually a decent rhyme! Well done!:yh_clap But I think you should include liberals too. (pssst guy fawkes thought the same thing) maybe his idea wasnt so bad!

He was the one that wanted to restore an absolute catholic monarchy and believed in the divine right of kings so he would probably have set fire to liberals-dangerous radicals you see A defender of freedom and liberty he most definitely was not.

Liberals are not quite the same here as they are in the states-where the word seems to have changed it's meaning and become an insult. I can never understand why anyone would be opposed to individual liberty and freedom- concepts which at at the heart of liberalism yet in America they seem willing to reject the very principles behind their constitution. New-speak in action indeed.

Mind you I could be persuaded to blow up the present lot. Our MP's commit blatant fraud and think an apology is all that is needed-just see what happens if a benefit cheat tries that one in court.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:11 pm

gmc;1257234 wrote: He was the one that wanted to restore an absolute catholic monarchy and believed in the divine right of kings so he would probably have set fire to liberals-dangerous radicals you see A defender of freedom and liberty he most definitely was not.

Liberals are not quite the same here as they are in the states-where the word seems to have changed it's meaning and become an insult. I can never understand why anyone would be opposed to individual liberty and freedom- concepts which at at the heart of liberalism yet in America they seem willing to reject the very principles behind their constitution. New-speak in action indeed.

Mind you I could be persuaded to blow up the present lot. Our MP's commit blatant fraud and think an apology is all that is needed-just see what happens if a benefit cheat tries that one in court.
I understand the feeling toward MP's who fiddle their expenses to the point of fraud but I do not agree with the new report that say's MP's can not claim for second homes. Many MP's win seats in area's not where their homes needing a second home or a home nearer to Westminster. I do have sympathy there.

There are two types of benifit scrounger. The worst for me is the one's who know full well they are cheating the system. The One's who are in relationships and won't live together so they can claim rent and Council tax with benifit for both properties instead as a couple. Some even move in with the girlfriend or boyfriend and then rent their flats out to family or friends while still claiming all the benifits for that address. When you look deeper, these are the people who are taking holidays abroad, down the pub most nights and are out on Jolly's day time while you and I scratch a living having paid our taxes all our lives. They are the one's that should rightly go to prison. We have genuine single mums in this country on benifit going without and doing all they can to provide a decent life for their kids while the above mentioned take full, blatent pisse out of the system.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:18 am

oscar;1257262 wrote: I understand the feeling toward MP's who fiddle their expenses to the point of fraud but I do not agree with the new report that say's MP's can not claim for second homes. Many MP's win seats in area's not where their homes needing a second home or a home nearer to Westminster. I do have sympathy there.

There are two types of benifit scrounger. The worst for me is the one's who know full well they are cheating the system. The One's who are in relationships and won't live together so they can claim rent and Council tax with benifit for both properties instead as a couple. Some even move in with the girlfriend or boyfriend and then rent their flats out to family or friends while still claiming all the benifits for that address. When you look deeper, these are the people who are taking holidays abroad, down the pub most nights and are out on Jolly's day time while you and I scratch a living having paid our taxes all our lives. They are the one's that should rightly go to prison. We have genuine single mums in this country on benifit going without and doing all they can to provide a decent life for their kids while the above mentioned take full, blatent pisse out of the system.

I don't have any sympathy at all for the ones that "flip" the designation in order to save themselves tax or who claim for the house their relatives are living in these are the ones who should go to prison but they're not even being forced to reign their seats and will walk away with their pensions etc intact. We have genuine MP's in this country who do an excellent job (:yh_rotfl Irony get it) without taking the blatant **** out of the system.

It's the sheer bloody hypocrisy of it all that annoys me. Benefit cheat should go to jail, tax cheating fraudulent MP says sorry and keeps his job and benefits. Pah!

This is a diversionary smokescreen aimed at daily mail readers,who have the attention span of a gnat, to take their attention of the crooked bastards.

I don't like benefit scroungers either but they haven't bankrupted the country while making themselves rich-our MP's have.

Old etonians wagging fingers at benefit cheats while they rip us of for hundreds of thousand just doesn't do it for me.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:13 am

gmc;1257333 wrote: I don't have any sympathy at all for the ones that "flip" the designation in order to save themselves tax or who claim for the house their relatives are living in these are the ones who should go to prison but they're not even being forced to reign their seats and will walk away with their pensions etc intact. We have genuine MP's in this country who do an excellent job (:yh_rotfl Irony get it) without taking the blatant **** out of the system.

It's the sheer bloody hypocrisy of it all that annoys me. Benefit cheat should go to jail, tax cheating fraudulent MP says sorry and keeps his job and benefits. Pah!

This is a diversionary smokescreen aimed at daily mail readers,who have the attention span of a gnat, to take their attention of the crooked bastards.

I don't like benefit scroungers either but they haven't bankrupted the country while making themselves rich-our MP's have.

Old etonians wagging fingers at benefit cheats while they rip us of for hundreds of thousand just doesn't do it for me. Most are as bad as each other. There is the arguement that If MP's are paid the wages they deserve and there are some good MP's, then they would not have to take advantage of the expenses. this is what happens when they stand in Constituancy's miles from their homes. Like it or not, they do need a second home nearer to the Constituancy they represent and It has to be paid for.

Benifit cheats who rent out their flat while living with their girlfriend and boyfriend and claim for both properties are blatently fraudulent and need to be charged with fraud. Most do de-fraud benifit out of sheer desperation but some know exactly what they are doing. It's usually that type who like to preach to others same as our MP's. The expenses scandel is no different to the John Major Government preaching to us about family morals and then we find out he's been slipping Edwina one all along.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:36 am

oscar;1257390 wrote: Most are as bad as each other. There is the arguement that If MP's are paid the wages they deserve and there are some good MP's, then they would not have to take advantage of the expenses. this is what happens when they stand in Constituancy's miles from their homes. Like it or not, they do need a second home nearer to the Constituancy they represent and It has to be paid for.

Benifit cheats who rent out their flat while living with their girlfriend and boyfriend and claim for both properties are blatently fraudulent and need to be charged with fraud. Most do de-fraud benifit out of sheer desperation but some know exactly what they are doing. It's usually that type who like to preach to others same as our MP's. The expenses scandel is no different to the John Major Government preaching to us about family morals and then we find out he's been slipping Edwina one all along.

Taking advantage of their expenses-is that a euphemism for playing the system, ripping it off, fraudulently claiming benefits they are not entitled to-oh sorry that's the benefit cheats isn't it.

Don;t get me wrong i have no time for benefit cheats but I might l take david Cameron seriously if he arranged for those MPs caught blatantly doing the Westminster equivalent of cheating the benefit system to be imprisoned.

maybe the daily expressl should be banging the drum about that

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:51 am

gmc;1257399 wrote: Taking advantage of their expenses-is that a euphemism for playing the system, ripping it off, fraudulently claiming benefits they are not entitled to-oh sorry that's the benefit cheats isn't it.

Don;t get me wrong i have no time for benefit cheats but I might l take david Cameron seriously if he arranged for those MPs caught blatantly doing the Westminster equivalent of cheating the benefit system to be imprisoned.

maybe the daily expressl should be banging the drum about that I would like to see both treated equally. However, some benifit cheats do it out of desperation and that should be taken into account when sentencing.

I agree with you about the MP's who play the system though.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:12 am

oscar;1257408 wrote: I would like to see both treated equally. However, some benifit cheats do it out of desperation and that should be taken into account when sentencing.

I agree with you about the MP's who play the system though.

MP's don't have even that excuse. It's the double standards that are being applied that annoy me. For MP's that see nothing wrong with what they have done to moralise about the proclivities of scumbags to play the benefit system while taking a side-swipe at single parents as being the leading cause of the decline in moral values in society beggars belief.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:27 am

gmc;1257752 wrote: MP's don't have even that excuse. It's the double standards that are being applied that annoy me. For MP's that see nothing wrong with what they have done to moralise about the proclivities of scumbags to play the benefit system while taking a side-swipe at single parents as being the leading cause of the decline in moral values in society beggars belief.
I must admit, sending the worst MP's to prison would ram the message home to others eh? My local MP got a right roasting in the local rag over his expenses. Now he'll go down in history as the man who spent £169 on a toaster for his second home whilst representing one of the poorest area's of the City. He even came out and defended why he needed that toaster. Made my day that did !!!

I don't have a problem with single mums... they are not all teenage mums playing the system as demonised by the Labour Government and the press. Most are women who's husbands have abandoned them and the CSA can't nail them. As you know, I'm standing in the election. I get all sorts of gumph sent to me to study and I've got training to go on. Yet, one of the first piles of gumph I had to go through was how to claim a grant for standing and how to claim my expenses If I win... says a lot really !!!