Putting the bite on rape

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:31 pm

This is amazing, and really cool. What do you think of this invention? A good idea? Potentially dangerous?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050831/od_ ... frica_rape

NursiePoo · Post by **NursiePoo** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:48 pm

"If a victim is wearing such a device it may enrage the attacker further and possibly result in more harm being caused," said Sam Waterhouse, advocacy co-ordinator for Rape Crisis.

I doubt that the perp would take the time to do anything while he has a bunch of fishhooks stuck in his penis.

Other critics say the condom is mediaeval and barbaric -- Ooh, poor widdle rapist.

What do I think about this? My feelings are probably pretty obvious now.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:54 pm

NursiePoo wrote: Ooh, poor widdle rapist.

What do I think about this? My feelings are probably pretty obvious now.
I knew I'd like you....:yh_bigsmi

pantsonfire321@aol.com · Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:22 pm

painful -yet brilliant

orangesox1 · Post by **orangesox1** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:00 am

Sounds a bit dangerous, what if it broke and got hooked on you? and are you supposed to wear it evertime you go out, what about if your home and someone comes in? you never know when or where you will be attacked so you can't always wear it and you can't ask him to stop while you get a condom, I have heard that to request that of a rapist is giving consent.

It will be interesting to see if it does work as it is supposed to.

PurpleChicken · Post by **PurpleChicken** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:47 am

Looks nasty! Principle is right - hurt em where it counts!

I do wonder about practicality though. Should you wear it almost all the time? And how on earth do you manage to wear it without doing yourself some damage? Ouch!

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:36 am

orangesox1 wrote: Sounds a bit dangerous, what if it broke and got hooked on you? and are you supposed to wear it evertime you go out, what about if your home and someone comes in? you never know when or where you will be attacked so you can't always wear it and you can't ask him to stop while you get a condom, I have heard that to request that of a rapist is giving consent.

It will be interesting to see if it does work as it is supposed to.
Actually, OS, it's a female condom, so it can be worn as long as needed. For instance, a woman is going out for a few hours, right before she leaves, she puts it in, and removes it when she gets home. I'd also imagine that the possibility of it opening inside the woman has been researched and dealt with, though it doesn't say anything about that in the article.

I'm curious to see how it's received, also. If nothing else, a potential attacker may think twice about approaching a woman on the chance that she's wearing one.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:31 pm

I'D WEAR IT! Nasty mofo's would get a little surprise! If he wasnt armed I might sit there and laugh a while before I called the cops!

NursiePoo · Post by **NursiePoo** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:16 pm

A thought occurred to me (it happens from time to time). We'll probably have to be licenced to carry a concealed weapon. And if anyone tries to rape us, and we harm them by wearing this device, I'm sure the law would side with the rapist and we'd end up getting sued or sent to jail while he goes free.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:03 pm

sorry...nope. no-one is going to "arm" themselves with this little thingy on their way out for, let's face it, an evening of hoping they'll get laid. best rape defense is watch where you go, don't leave with strangers, use your brain, all politically incorrect i know, please don't tell me a woman should be able to look like a 2 dollar hooker and not expect a problem. ideally yes...real world, no. i think the damn thing is ridiculous. when you walk tall, act strong, stay out of certain venues, behave respectably, no guy is going to try you. please just trust me on this, i am not talking about the armed and mad serial rapist which you will encounter one time in a million, i am talking about the crap i see all the time. the average rapist is an opportunist. and he picks his victims by their appearance and behavior. not fair, but true ladies.

orangesox1 · Post by **orangesox1** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:26 pm

If you ask a rapist to wear a condom is that like giving consent?

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:20 am

lady cop wrote: sorry...nope. no-one is going to "arm" themselves with this little thingy on their way out for, let's face it, an evening of hoping they'll get laid. best rape defense is watch where you go, don't leave with strangers, use your brain, all politically incorrect i know, please don't tell me a woman should be able to look like a 2 dollar hooker and not expect a problem. ideally yes...real world, no. i think the damn thing is ridiculous. when you walk tall, act strong, stay out of certain venues, behave respectably, no guy is going to try you. please just trust me on this, i am not talking about the armed and mad serial rapist which you will encounter one time in a million, i am talking about the crap i see all the time. the average rapist is an opportunist. and he picks his victims by their appearance and behavior. not fair, but true ladies.

I also heard a year ago or so (On Dr Phil) that if someone is approaching you, just put your hand out and scream "NO!". Most likely they had a plan how "the rape" was supposed to go, and this wasnt part of it. It might startle them and they might run off. But I agree with ladycop! Keep yourself safe. Watch out for Numero Uno!

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:54 pm

What you guys don't seem to get is this invention is being developed in Africa. 50,000 rapes a year are reported, and it's guessed that that's about 1/4 of the actual number of rapes that occur. We're not talking about here in the States where a woman goes out for a night on the town, sometimes with the intention of finding company for the night. We're talking about a country where walking your mule to the street market for supplies is taking your life into your hands. I doubt it would get a good reception here. There? It's a whole other story.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:01 pm

Scrat wrote: I also question the expected reaction. Some drunk at a bar may slink off into the night but the next one may not. The reaction could be violent to an extreme. Remember that rape is an act of sadistic power. The last thing you want to do is hurt someone like that, for your own sake.

Which is worse? Being raped or getting your throat slit?
If a man is trying to rape me, the only thing on my mind is going to be FIGHT. Whether it's with a condom that sticks barbs into the attackers penis, or me gouging his eyeballs out with my thumbs, or ramming my hand to the bottom of his nose, hopefully killing the f*cker, I am going to fight, tooth and nail and with everything that I've got.

Let me be very clear here: I would rather die fighting that attack than submit and allow it and live. No man will ever, EVER put his hands on me in a violent manner and not at the very least have some marks and a limp to show for his efforts.

The very FIRST thing I want to do is hurt someone like that. That's the ONLY thing I want. His DNA under my nails. And his guts as my new necklace. His balls proudly displayed on my mantle, still trailing the tendons where I ripped them from their cozy nest.

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:14 pm

BabyRider wrote: If a man is trying to rape me, the only thing on my mind is going to be FIGHT. Whether it's with a condom that sticks barbs into the attackers penis, or me gouging his eyeballs out with my thumbs, or ramming my hand to the bottom of his nose, hopefully killing the f*cker, I am going to fight, tooth and nail and with everything that I've got.

Let me be very clear here: I would rather die fighting that attack than submit and allow it and live. No man will ever, EVER put his hands on me in a violent manner and not at the very least have some marks and a limp to show for his efforts.

The very FIRST thing I want to do is hurt someone like that. That's the ONLY thing I want. His DNA under my nails. And his guts as my new necklace. His balls proudly displayed on my mantle, still trailing the tendons where I ripped them from their cozy nest.

Aw come on, BR, tell us how you REALLY feel!!

:yh_rotfl

actionfigurestepho · Post by **actionfigurestepho** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:25 am

I love the idea, but many rapes are actually date rapes. You're not going to insert it before going out (or staying in) with an actual date or someone you think is a trusted friend.

Like BR said, good for those areas where rape is an everyday fear, but not so good here in the states.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:33 am

Scrat wrote:

Try your luck but keep in mind just about any guy is stronger and more aggressive/ruthless than you can ever be. I think that LC can attest to just how destructive and ruthless/unthinking an enraged male can be.
LC can attest to how destructive and ruthless an enraged male can be. But guess what? So can I. And I can be WAY more ruthless than any man when fighting for my life. I know just how strong a pissed-off, intent on killing you male can be. The last one I came across, I put in the hospital.

Yep, men are stronger than most women. Strength has very little to do with being able to disable an attacker. While I encourage being aware of your surroundings, taking all the necessary steps to prevent being attacked, sometimes it happens. If a guy has the balls to come up to me with the intention of hurting me, I'm quite certain I can disable him. I've had to do it, and I have done it. Size just doesn't matter, if you know what you're doing. I do.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:02 am

i have a lot to say about this, but the bottom line would be every situation is different. not every woman is capable of fighting tooth and nail. many victims are chosen just because they look frail or helpless. i do not advise pure aggression in many females because all you're going to have on your hands is a pissed-off power-mad and intent rapist. unless you know you are fully capable of incapacitating him. and i don't mean a kick to the scrotum. i mean the ability to take him down. how many women can really say they could take down a big guy? then there is the issue of being armed. if you think commercial pepper spray is going to save you, GO THROW IT AWAY RIGHT NOW. that stuff will just make him madder. it will not take him down. the stuff we use is 10 times stronger and did not take ME down in academy when we had to be sprayed for qualification, and i was shot three times in the face. a knife or gun....do not carry anything you would not want taken and used against you. because unless you are ready and in a position to kill, not wound, instantly, he's going to take it away from you. i am talking about the average woman here. we just tried a guy, educated, good family, good job,nice-looking, all the credentials, who was raping at gunpoint women up and down the eastern seaboard. we got him. 4 other states want him, but we've sentenced him to life without parole. any of his victims who would have fought him would have been shot. no question. they were raped, but they lived. and i remember the first time i cuffed him up, he was a perfect gentleman in his manner, but i looked in his eyes and asked him "how do you like being f***ing helpless at the hands of a female?" his eyes burned with pure hatred at that moment. i am not discussing "date rape" here. you know the guy, you go report it if it was not consensual. but with a stranger you must scream your head off and run if you can. and this won't be popular, but if he is armed you may have to succumb. it depends on how much confidence you have in your ability to disable him. it took me considerable training in defensive tactics to take down a big man. and they don't need to be big, if they are high on crack or meth you have a problem.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:45 am

Let me qualify what I've said so far: This is how I would react, this is what I would do if confronted with this situation. This is not what every woman should do. I've seen and read about women who, when put into this situation have said, "I looked at him and just knew that he would kill me." From what I understand, it's pretty common to be able to read what your chances of flight, or fight, or escape can be. Obviously if a man snuck up to me and put a gun to my head, that would not be the time to fight. Each situation is different, and yes, the ultimate goal is to get away alive. For me, you're going to have a job of killing me, because if the opportunity presents itself, no matter how small, I'm going to inflict as much pain and bleeding as I can. The trick is knowing what you're capable of, and reading the situation.

As LC has said, rapists look for victims according to how easily they believe they can overpower her quickly. Your attitude, awareness, alertness, agressive posture, looking people in the eye, apparent confidence; all these things make you less appealing a target. Avoidance and prevention are better than fighting.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:45 pm

Well, I'm not what you could call a feminist, and I'm not going to scream at you, but I do have to say a big huge HUH????? to this particular comment:

Tim Shelley wrote:

All of you know as well as I do that women are the most revenge-minded beings on the planet.

actionfigurestepho · Post by **actionfigurestepho** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:13 pm

Tim does make a good point. I can definately see some women using it as a means to punish an ex. Think of the entire demographic of women who appear on Jerry Springer.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:18 pm

I'll give him that one, but the "all women are vindictive" comment still needs a response... :yh_wait

actionfigurestepho · Post by **actionfigurestepho** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:20 pm

I'M vindictive. Much more so than my brother, father or boyfriend.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:37 pm

Heres an idea,no one attack no one and the world might be a better place.