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How can the governement allow shops to sell fireworks to the general public???? It is beyond me it really is,,, they are as dangerous as a knife or a gun and yet we can just go buy them in a shop without any requirements. :-5:-5:-5




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kazalala;1260489 wrote: Fatal Cornwall blaze blamed on banger yobs - mirror.co.uk

How can the governement allow shops to sell fireworks to the general public???? It is beyond me it really is,,, they are as dangerous as a knife or a gun and yet we can just go buy them in a shop without any requirements. :-5:-5:-5


that was fatal.:-1



shops selling them?

They are sold on street corners here.
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kazalala;1260489 wrote: How can the governement allow shops to sell fireworks to the general public???? It is beyond me it really is,,, they are as dangerous as a knife or a gun and yet we can just go buy them in a shop without any requirements. :-5:-5:-5That's a bit extreme, kaz. They're as dangerous as a box of matches. Why pick on knives or guns? They're as dangerous as a gallon can of petrol. They're as dangerous as a polyurethane foam sofa with a burning fag end dropped down the back. They're as dangerous as a swimming pool in your back yard.
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spot;1260493 wrote: That's a bit extreme, kaz. They're as dangerous as a box of matches. Why pick on knives or guns? They're as dangerous as a gallon can of petrol. They're as dangerous as a polyurethane foam sofa with a burning fag end dropped down the back. They're as dangerous as a swimming pool in your back yard.


yep ,, you could say that spot.




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kazalala;1260495 wrote: yep ,, you could say that spot.


And as far as "we can just go buy them in a shop without any requirements" goes, "it is illegal to sell adult fireworks to anyone under the age of eighteen" (regulations 2004), it is also "an offence for the under 18s to possess fireworks in a public place", " to cause any unnecessary suffering to any domestic or captive animals" and " to throw or set off fireworks in any highway, street, thoroughfare or public place". We can't just go buy them in a shop without any requirements.
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spot;1260498 wrote: And as far as "we can just go buy them in a shop without any requirements" goes, "it is illegal to sell adult fireworks to anyone under the age of eighteen" (regulations 2004), it is also "an offence for the under 18s to possess fireworks in a public place", " to cause any unnecessary suffering to any domestic or captive animals" and " to throw or set off fireworks in any highway, street, thoroughfare or public place". We can't just go buy them in a shop without any requirements.


OK thank you for that.




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spot;1260498 wrote: And as far as "we can just go buy them in a shop without any requirements" goes, "it is illegal to sell adult fireworks to anyone under the age of eighteen" (regulations 2004), it is also "an offence for the under 18s to possess fireworks in a public place", " to cause any unnecessary suffering to any domestic or captive animals" and " to throw or set off fireworks in any highway, street, thoroughfare or public place". We can't just go buy them in a shop without any requirements.


Spot !!!!!!!! for pity's sake, and everybody else's just wind your neck in ! :-5:-5

Don't you realise that these yob idiots can't damn well read, and even if they could, would they take any notice of any regulations????? They just don't care !!!!!!

Fireworks are too dangerous to sell in shops. They should be banned except on licence to specialised displays. End of.
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G#Gill;1260505 wrote: Fireworks are too dangerous to sell in shops. They should be banned except on licence to specialised displays. End of.
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Put your postcode in and write to your MP about it, you might get the law changed.

Don't tell I, tell 'ee. All I'm doing is correcting a misconception that "we can just go buy them in a shop without any requirements".
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spot;1260506 wrote: Democracy Live | Your representatives

Put your postcode in and write to your MP about it, you might get the law changed.

Don't tell I, tell 'ee. All I'm doing is correcting a misconception that "we can just go buy them in a shop without any requirements".


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G#Gill;1260508 wrote: And pigs might ......................................


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Spot, stop trying to derail this thread. I hardly think that readers want to be dragged into a political discussion. It's about a terrible murder, caused by idiots posting fireworks through somebody's letterbox.

Start another thread for what you want to debate.
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G#Gill;1260511 wrote: Spot, stop trying to derail this thread. I hardly think that readers want to be dragged into a political discussion. It's about a terrible murder, caused by idiots posting fireworks through somebody's letterbox.

Start another thread for what you want to debate.


Stop bullying me Gill. Everything I've written in the thread relates directly to "How can the government allow shops to sell fireworks to the general public???? It is beyond me it really is,,, they are as dangerous as a knife or a gun and yet we can just go buy them in a shop without any requirements". You're hectoring me in the same tone the tabloids use. What would be a useful contribution would be discussion rather than trying to steamroller me.
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G#Gill;1260505 wrote: Spot !!!!!!!! for pity's sake, and everybody else's just wind your neck in ! :-5:-5

Don't you realise that these yob idiots can't damn well read, and even if they could, would they take any notice of any regulations????? They just don't care !!!!!!

Fireworks are too dangerous to sell in shops. They should be banned except on licence to specialised displays. End of.


:confused::confused: So, it gets pointed out that things are quite not like they are described here and people get told to wind their neck in?? You were not speaking on my behalf!



There are rules and regulations in place, it's not a free for all to buy fireworks in this country.

The problem here is not the firework, the gun or the knife it's a small part of a generation of people coming through who have no direction, no respect and not a care for anyone but themselves. They also dictate their terms to others and refuse to have general discussions. Why? because no one has bothered with them, how shocked are they when someone does indeed attempt to have a normal conversation with them rather than shout them down. Seriously are we to take away every item that could be deemed a danger if one of these yobs (as you like to label them) could get their hands on it. Where do we stop? No cars to be sold to under 25's as they can kill with them? These 'yobs' are still a minority in a statistical comparison too, boy am I glad I am not a teen in this day and age, growing up knowing I am branded as evil and no good!
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*sigh* I forgot to be more explicit in my attempt to just have a discussion about this.

yes there are plenty other dangerous things,, im talking about fireworks and why they are easily available to adults when they so obviously cause a lot of damage each year,,, i have a feeling its down to money of course,, also i bet if you were trying to set up an organised display you would need a list as long as your arm of bloomin health and safety regulations and requirements to be met.

Anyway its now just a whos wrong and whos right debate so I'll leave you all to it!




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kazalala;1260525 wrote: *sigh* I forgot to be more explicit in my attempt to just have a discussion about this.

yes there are plenty other dangerous things,, im talking about fireworks and why they are easily available to adults when they so obviously cause a lot of damage each year,,, i have a feeling its down to money of course,, also i bet if you were trying to set up an organised display you would need a list as long as your arm of bloomin health and safety regulations and requirements to be met.

Anyway its now just a whos wrong and whos right debate so I'll leave you all to it!


Let's start at the beginning then. Why would you not ban boxes of matches? Why would you not ban gallon cans of petrol?
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spot;1260528 wrote: Let's start at the beginning then. Why would you not ban boxes of matches? Why would you not ban gallon cans of petrol?


no. I really do not care to answer your questions, or to take this topic in the direction you would like. Im finshed here talk about whatever you like .




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How can the government allow shops to sell boxes of matches to the general public? How can the government allow shops to sell gallon cans of petrol to the general public? Anyone?
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kazalala;1260525 wrote: *sigh* I forgot to be more explicit in my attempt to just have a discussion about this.

yes there are plenty other dangerous things,, im talking about fireworks and why they are easily available to adults when they so obviously cause a lot of damage each year,,, i have a feeling its down to money of course,, also i bet if you were trying to set up an organised display you would need a list as long as your arm of bloomin health and safety regulations and requirements to be met.

Anyway its now just a whos wrong and whos right debate so I'll leave you all to it!


I guess in reality though there are thousands of responsible adults who do buy fireworks and organise their own small scale display where they do take note of health and safety and ensure all are safe. I've been at friends houses in the past where this happens, it's a great social evening in an intimate setting. Taking my son into a big organised display and not being sure of how he will react used to be something I'd never do, by going to smaller events he's had the option of hiding away in the house if he wishes or coming out to a safe environment to watch without being in crowds. It's the minority that are ruining it for others once again.
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spot;1260530 wrote: How can the government allow shops to sell boxes of matches to the general public? How can the government allow shops to sell gallon cans of petrol to the general public? Anyone?


I remember now why i hardly ever put a thread up in here that isnt fluff,,, just get the **** taken out of you.




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kazalala;1260532 wrote: I remember now why i hardly ever put a thread up in here that isnt fluff,,, just get the **** taken out of you.


You gave an opinion. I asked why. You've decided to flounce. It's entirely your call, I don't see any reason for not exploring the topic.
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I don't get how it is deemed as taking the michael. Say fireworks were banned tomorrow, attention will shift to something else that could cause injury in the wrong hands, it's the way it goes, eventually we will be living in a society with no free rights at all, that's the point, where does it all stop, at what point are individuals going to take responsibility for themselves and their actions.
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Betty Boop;1260534 wrote: I don't get how it is deemed as taking the michael. Say fireworks were banned tomorrow, attention will shift to something else that could cause injury in the wrong hands, it's the way it goes, eventually we will be living in a society with no free rights at all, that's the point, where does it all stop, at what point are individuals going to take responsibility for themselves and their actions.


yes BB you are having a discussion about it ,,, spot is basically taking the **** out of me, his way of typing in my opinion is patronising and belitlling towards me. Thats what i think ,, and now i am flouncing. Betty i am all for everyone having their own opinions and no they do not have to be the same as mine ,, i like a healthy debate and i do manage to have some without flouncing in other threads,, i think you have probably seen,, as have others ,,

I dont like the way spot has spoken to me ,, thats my problem. I will deal with it. Thank you though for your input and in discussing and bringing up some good points:)




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kazalala;1260536 wrote: yes BB you are having a discussion about it ,,, spot is basically taking the **** out of me, his way of typing in my opinion is patronising and belitlling towards me. Thats what i think ,, and now i am flouncing. Betty i am all for everyone having their own opinions and no they do not have to be the same as mine ,, i like a healthy debate and i do manage to have some without flouncing in other threads,, i think you have probably seen,, as have others ,,

I dont like the way spot has spoken to me ,, thats my problem. I will deal with it. Thank you though for your input and in discussing and bringing up some good points:)


I assume he is coming from the same stance as me, he just words it differently, my two penneth is I don't see it as belittling, I'm sorry that you do, PM him and ask?

I guess my take on all this is that society as a whole would end up paying for this foolish boys behaviour. I bet he also did not realise what the consequences of his actions would be, unfortunately, that is of course if that's what started the fire, it's still a 'maybe' at the moment.
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kazalala;1260529 wrote: no. I really do not care to answer your questions, or to take this topic in the direction you would like. Im finshed here talk about whatever you like .


He's merely pointing out precedent.

If they hadn't used fireworks they'd have used Molotov cocktails. Gallons of petrol. Throwing polyurethane couches with "faggots" on them ffs!

It wasn't the fireworks, it was the decisions having been made.
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Honestly we've all done "humorous" things as children. I can't help but wonder how sick these kids feel after such an event having transpired. I sincerely doubt they meant for this outcome to unfold.

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kazalala;1260489 wrote: Fatal Cornwall blaze blamed on banger yobs - mirror.co.uk

How can the governement allow shops to sell fireworks to the general public???? It is beyond me it really is,,, they are as dangerous as a knife or a gun and yet we can just go buy them in a shop without any requirements. :-5:-5:-5


I hate them Kaz and personally id prefer them to just be sold to organised council firework displays. Its now Saturday and and the fireworks are still going off 10 to the dozen. My dog is petrified, he hasnt eaten since Thursday and is either hiding behind the sofa or in the den the kids have made out of cushions and blankets by the tumble dryer.

I was never a lover of fireworks before we had our dog but I hate them all the more now. Wouldnt be so bad if they were just let off one night at an organised event but no their going off left right and centre.. In the morning ill be picking up all the empty firework shells off the garden and drive too!!!
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Once upon a time, many many years ago, 5th November was called Guy Fawkes night. With great gusto a lot of children would set about making a rag doll type of Guy Fawkes, sit it in a push chair or lean it against a fence at the side of the road where they lived, and called out 'Penny for the Guy!'. The lucky ones would collect a bit of money from passers by. Some of the youngsters would save this money so they could go with mum or dad to buy a few fireworks, so they could have a little display in their back garden on 5th November.

Now when I say 5th November, I mean ONE evening - the 5th November. The only alteration to this one date was if the 5th fell on a Sunday. then the celebration would be held the day before (Saturday) the 4th November.

I can't remember whether there were any rules and regulations about the sale or the letting off of fireworks back then, as I was only very young, but all the noise, explosions, bonfires etc. happened on the ONE day. Not a few weeks before that date, not every night, not days and days after that date. Children got as excited about Guy Fawkes night as they were about Christmas !

There would be bonfires and fireworks lit in a lot of gardens, back then, and people would make hot dogs to eat and roast chestnuts, baked potatoes in the bonfire etc. etc. It was a magical night !

Everybody knew that 5th November would be noisy, and would be prepared. They would be able to make arrangements for their pets. to minimise distress. They knew it would be for only the ONE night, and that the noise would not go on for very long either - it was usually quiet by about 10 o'clock.

Firework night these days is an absolute free-for-all, with explosions occuring every night for a couple of weeks before the actual 5th, and several weeks on many nights after the 5th. Pets are terrified, and I shudder to think what the poor 'wild' creatures and the animals in the field feel.

People, I'm afraid, nowadays have made this occasion an anti-social and in some cases a very dangerous activity.

I'm also afraid to say that it is mostly down to the younger element of society, who seem to be totally unaware that they are messing with explosives that can injure and even kill people. They treat it all as a huge joke to throw lit fireworks at each other, or worse (as per the news item in the OP).

If 5th November was, in fact, just on the 5th November like all those years ago, I'm sure that nobody would argue about it. The children would be able to enjoy the celebration much better. But people are not like that any more are they? Responsibility seems to be a rare commodity. Consideration for others is no longer in a lot of peoples' minds. There is also the element of 'I just want to cause as much discomfort to people as I can, cos it gives me a buzz'

This is why so many people are 'fed up' with all the noise, all the yobs running amok on the streets shooting rockets at each other, causing people not to dare to venture out of their houses. Causing people extreme concern for their poor pets, night after night after night.

I'm afraid 'Bonfire Night' has become something which causes more fear and apprehension than fun.

That is why I, personally, believe that all firework displays should now be on organised and licenced sites, and yes including all the hassle from Elf and Sufty. Not on general sale to the public, because a lot of the public are just not responsible enough.

Sad, but true, the days have nearly gone now when a family can have a 'Bonfire Night' party in their back gardens. Thanks to the yob element in our society.
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G#Gill;1260570 wrote: ...

I'm afraid 'Bonfire Night' has become something which causes more fear and apprehension than fun.

That is why I, personally, believe that all firework displays should now be on organised and licenced sites, and yes including all the hassle from Elf and Sufty. Not on general sale to the public, because a lot of the public are just not responsible enough.

Sad, but true, the days have nearly gone now when a family can have a 'Bonfire Night' party in their back gardens. Thanks to the yob element in our society.


I'm assuming there is quite a contingency of people that are appealing to your government about the possibility of ridding England of "Bonfire night".
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Ian;1260576 wrote: Guy Fawkes is one of my heroes and they burn his effigy in some barbaric ritual from the dark ages :(

I agree with Kaz's anger and the several points that Spot made also G#Gill's sentiments will strike a chord with many others.


Could we not do with a more efficient Guy Fawkes today? Oops :lips:
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K.Snyder;1260573 wrote: I'm assuming there is quite a contingency of people that are appealing to your government about the possibility of ridding England of "Bonfire night".


Since the 1960s, Snyder. The campaign marks its 50th anniversary this year. The idea that there was ever a past golden age of safety is difficult to substantiate.The National Campaign for Firework Safety was started in November 1969, by a group of parents who were sick and tired of firework injuries to their children, and people' pets. The campaign wants a ban on retail sales and licensed firework displays only and a ban on imports of dangerous fireworks outside the scope of BS 7114 of which there are many. We are the longest running campaign in the country and have been supported by many MPs over the decades who presented PMBs (Private Members Bills) and PQs put down over the lifetime of this campaign.
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All fireworks displays in our area are controlled now.

No buying them from shops anymore.

We used to be able to buy them in Canberra but not even sure if that is legal now.

I remember as kids we would put penny bungers in mailbox's.

Very funny at the age of 12/14 not so funny now.

Not only for the person owning the mailbox & having to replace it.

More importantly how dangerous it was to ourselves & others:-5:-5

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Since January 2005 the sale of fireworks to the public is prohibited, except from licensed traders. The Fireworks Regulations 2004 state that in England, Wales and Scotland fireworks can be sold by unlicensed traders for Chinese New Year and the preceding three days, Diwali and the proceeding three days, 15th October–10th November, to allow Bonfire Night celebrations, and 26th–31st December for New Year celebrations.Fireworks - Environmental Protection UK

Seems to me like the first steps to take would be shortening the time period between 15th October–10th November that fireworks are prohibited to be sold from unlicensed vendors!

Until I see all category 3 and 4 fireworks banned outright I'm afraid children will get their hands on them. Sadly there will always be that "adult", as defined by society:yh_eyerol, that will buy them for kids if not willingly by sheer ignorance.
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mrsK;1260583 wrote: All fireworks displays in our area are controlled now.

No buying them from shops anymore.

We used to be able to buy them in Canberra but not even sure if that is legal now.

I remember as kids we would put penny bungers in mailbox's.

Very funny at the age of 12/14 not so funny now.

Not only for the person owning the mailbox & having to replace it.

More importantly how dangerous it was to ourselves & others:-5:-5

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spot;1260493 wrote: That's a bit extreme, kaz. They're as dangerous as a box of matches. Why pick on knives or guns? They're as dangerous as a gallon can of petrol. They're as dangerous as a polyurethane foam sofa with a burning fag end dropped down the back. They're as dangerous as a swimming pool in your back yard.
I'm in agreement with Kaz. I was going to post this myself but have been away all day. I read in the Mail today that the case is similar in some ways to the Fiona Pilkington case where her and her son were hounded by yobs before this happened. If they did Indeed, go to her house and put fireworks through her letter box or cat flap, they went there with intent. I would like to see them caught and charged with nothing else but murder, attempted murder and arson. If the youths turn out to be under the age to legally buy fireworks, then the Idiot who sold them to them should be tracked down and also charged.

It is totally un-acceptable that anyone should end their life so horrifically in the name of fire-works and fun. They are not fun Spot. In organised events, they are a joy in the hands of experienced handlers that apply the law of health and safety. In the hands of brainless morons, they the tool of death and destruction. kaz is absolutely right. In this yob culture society we live in, they are used by idiots to intimidate and cause criminal damage. I have seen It enough around here myself. I'd be happy to see them made totally illegal other than organised events.
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Canberra Online Fireworks

Canberra Online Fireworks : [Canberra Online]

Where can you buy fireworks in Canberra this Queen's Birthday Public Holiday weekend? Canberra Online brings you the best places to get your fire crackers, how to act responsibly and how to protect your pets during the long weekend.

The official Queen's Birthday long weekend is the only time of the year when members of the public are legally allowed to use fireworks. The regulations also require that fireworks may only be sold from licensed premises and not, for example, from the roadside.

Consumer Fireworks

Only Fireworks that have been registered as Consumer Fireworks can be sold to members of the public.

Who can purchase and use consumer fireworks?

Only ACT residents, who are 18 years or older, may purchase fireworks for use during the Queen's Birthday Public Holiday weekend only.

Who can sell consumer fireworks?

Fireworks retailers must have a licence to sell consumer fireworks. These licences are issued by the Office of Fair Trading.

When can consumer fireworks be used?

Fireworks may only be discharged between 5:00pm and 9:00pm on Saturday and Sunday of the Queen's Birthday Public Holiday weekend.

Fireworks cannot be used during a total fire ban. For information relating to fire bans, telephone 6207 8603.

Where can consumer fireworks be used?

Fireworks may only be purchased and used within the ACT.

Fireworks cannot be used in public streets or parks.
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Noo Joisey bans fireworks being brought into the state or citizens setting off fireworks without permission.



Many northerners drive to some of the southern states to buy illegal fireworks and are often caught after they leave the Carolinas. Fireworks are taken from them and the people are fined.



Fireworks are beautiful but so dangerous in the hands of the ignorant. I once had a wee one whose hand was blown off because he picked up one of his Dad's fireworks....
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G#Gill;1260570 wrote: Once upon a time, many many years ago, 5th November was called Guy Fawkes night. With great gusto a lot of children would set about making a rag doll type of Guy Fawkes, sit it in a push chair or lean it against a fence at the side of the road where they lived, and called out 'Penny for the Guy!'. The lucky ones would collect a bit of money from passers by. Some of the youngsters would save this money so they could go with mum or dad to buy a few fireworks, so they could have a little display in their back garden on 5th November.

Now when I say 5th November, I mean ONE evening - the 5th November. The only alteration to this one date was if the 5th fell on a Sunday. then the celebration would be held the day before (Saturday) the 4th November.

I can't remember whether there were any rules and regulations about the sale or the letting off of fireworks back then, as I was only very young, but all the noise, explosions, bonfires etc. happened on the ONE day. Not a few weeks before that date, not every night, not days and days after that date. Children got as excited about Guy Fawkes night as they were about Christmas !

There would be bonfires and fireworks lit in a lot of gardens, back then, and people would make hot dogs to eat and roast chestnuts, baked potatoes in the bonfire etc. etc. It was a magical night !

Everybody knew that 5th November would be noisy, and would be prepared. They would be able to make arrangements for their pets. to minimise distress. They knew it would be for only the ONE night, and that the noise would not go on for very long either - it was usually quiet by about 10 o'clock.

Firework night these days is an absolute free-for-all, with explosions occuring every night for a couple of weeks before the actual 5th, and several weeks on many nights after the 5th. Pets are terrified, and I shudder to think what the poor 'wild' creatures and the animals in the field feel.

People, I'm afraid, nowadays have made this occasion an anti-social and in some cases a very dangerous activity.

I'm also afraid to say that it is mostly down to the younger element of society, who seem to be totally unaware that they are messing with explosives that can injure and even kill people. They treat it all as a huge joke to throw lit fireworks at each other, or worse (as per the news item in the OP).

If 5th November was, in fact, just on the 5th November like all those years ago, I'm sure that nobody would argue about it. The children would be able to enjoy the celebration much better. But people are not like that any more are they? Responsibility seems to be a rare commodity. Consideration for others is no longer in a lot of peoples' minds. There is also the element of 'I just want to cause as much discomfort to people as I can, cos it gives me a buzz'

This is why so many people are 'fed up' with all the noise, all the yobs running amok on the streets shooting rockets at each other, causing people not to dare to venture out of their houses. Causing people extreme concern for their poor pets, night after night after night.

I'm afraid 'Bonfire Night' has become something which causes more fear and apprehension than fun.

That is why I, personally, believe that all firework displays should now be on organised and licenced sites, and yes including all the hassle from Elf and Sufty. Not on general sale to the public, because a lot of the public are just not responsible enough.

Sad, but true, the days have nearly gone now when a family can have a 'Bonfire Night' party in their back gardens. Thanks to the yob element in our society.


Just for once i agree with you. It's not just guy fawkes it's now christmas and new year as well and it goes on and on. For about a week at a time i can't take the dog out for a walk. Because they are so common people don't of them as dangerous it's doubtful the morons that did this didn't think there would be consequences beyond someone getting a fright.

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Guy Fawkes is one of my heroes and they burn his effigy in some barbaric ritual from the dark ages


He wanted to restore an absolutist catholic monarchy. Why on earth would he be anyone's hero? One of the first religious terrorists to try and blow people up en masse. He wasn't a hero-we remember him because of what he was trying to do and what he stood for. Maybe we need to remind ourselves the reasons for the celebrations is that he failed in his dastardly plot.

It's ironic that he has somehow become an anti establishment hero standing up for liberty.

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gmc;1260753 wrote: Just for once i agree with you. It's not just guy fawkes it's now christmas and new year as well and it goes on and on. For about a week at a time i can't take the dog out for a walk. Because they are so common people don't of them as dangerous it's doubtful the morons that did this didn't think there would be consequences beyond someone getting a fright.



] There were many reports in the various tabloids yesterday that It now appears they did not think of it as some-one getting a fright. It has emerged that her son was bullied and hounded byu these yobs for a long period of time similar to the Fiona Pilkington case. She even had to move her son who had mild learning difficulties to another school to escape the bullying but It didn't stop. Eye Witnessess have apparently told police that there were three youths aged between 14 and 18 years old outside the house as It was on fire, laughing and shouting 'Shame, Shame, Shame' repeatedly. If those witnesses are correct then they knew exactly what was happening. They stood there and watched the house go up in flames probably fully ware that they were Inside. That, is NOT giving some-one a fright. If you carry out a prank and It goes horribly wrong, even at that age, you would panic and run for help. To stand outside laughing and mocking shows they went with that Intent and enjoyed the show. I find it utterly abhorant. Police also now believe that after getting her son out, she too could have got in time but she went back for her cat. ( God Bless her :-4 )

These yobs are mudering bastards if eye witness accounts are correct. I hope they rot in hell.

With fireworks being so common throughout the whole year, It is not only people who become oblivious to them but also wildlife. I went out to the foxes one night and there were fireworks going off every minute with crashing bangs. I was in no doubt that the foxes would flee but they never batted an eye lid.
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It's now Sunday and the bloody things are still going off!! Thankfully we managed to get Scrappy (the dog) to eat early afternoon as he is now in hiding. :mad:

Theirs no let up as people buy for xmas and then new year...:mad:
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Chezzie;1260787 wrote: It's now Sunday and the bloody things are still going off!! Thankfully we managed to get Scrappy (the dog) to eat early afternoon as he is now in hiding. :mad:

Theirs no let up as people buy for xmas and then new year...:mad:


It is such a selfish, thoughtless society that we live in. 'I, me, my' all the bloody time. My hubby didn't really believe me when I said there would be more fireworks let off tonight, but I was right. Also I was constantly woken up until about 4 am last night, by pratts sauntering up and down the nearby roads letting off bangers every couple of minutes ffs. I didn't go to bed till 2 am as it was, because there were still bangers going off all over the place. :-5:-5:-5
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The three teenagers responsible have all now been found guilty:Hewitt and Luckes' defence lawyers said that they had not meant to kill Mrs Fox and had only meant to "give the occupants a fright".

BBC News - Bodmin firework pair guilty of Mary Fox manslaughter

Irresponsible and antisocial are words that come to mind. And, doubtless, moronic wastes of effort.
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This is the problem. These pratts don't or won't consider any consequences of their dangerously irresponsible actions! What the hell did these yobs expect to happen when they put lighted fireworks into somebody's house?

I have always said that fireworks should be banned from general sale to the public. Licenced November 5th supervised parties only.:mad::mad::mad:
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G#Gill;1312642 wrote: I have always said that fireworks should be banned from general sale to the public.


You may say that, but I disagree completely.
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G#Gill;1312642 wrote: These pratts don't or won't consider any consequences of their dangerously irresponsible actions!


Some people don't consider the consequences of misusing things - cars, fireworks, tools, toys - you name it. That's not to say that all such things should be "banned", though.
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Bill Sikes;1312647 wrote: You may say that, but I disagree completely.


So you are happy that young idiots can use explosives against innocent people?

That is what it has become nowadays.

When I was a child, November 5th was Guy Fawkes night, or bonfire night. Fireworks were bought by the general public and saved for the night of Guy Fawkes.

Nobody would dream of letting off fireworks before or after this date, and it was the accepted thing, and people could arrange for their pets to be indoors and protected.

Nobody complained about the noise on this special night, as they understood the history of the event. The only time that Guy Fawkes night was not on the 5 th was when it fell on a Sunday, so the event was moved to the 4th (Saturday). Also, there didn't seem to be noisy fireworks let off after about 10 pm!

Over time, things have degenerated into a 'free-for-all' , till nowadays rockets are used as weapons, yob against yob, and other innocent people (just for a giggle!).

It is a shame that this event has been turned into a running battle between authorities and brainless pratts, and that is why the only way to put a stop to all this irresposible and dangerous activity is to introduce a blanket ban of the sale of fireworks to the general public! IMO, and many, many others'
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G#Gill;1312642 wrote:

I have always said that fireworks should be banned from general sale to the public. Licenced November 5th supervised parties only.:mad::mad::mad:


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beowulf;1312678 wrote: i agree 100%


Thank you bw, at least you can see what I can see, but Bill Sikes obviously doesn't!

Perhaps he hasn't experienced first hand such idiocy.
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G#Gill;1312671 wrote: the only way to put a stop to all this irresposible and dangerous activity is to introduce a blanket ban of the sale of fireworks to the general public! IMO, and many, many others'


I suppose we could introduce licencing for buying petrol. And paraffin. And wood too, wood's inflammable.

On the other hand the events in Whitehaven suggest that licencing isn't altogether effective. What might genuinely deal with fireworks is adequate surveillance of the public en masse by the police. Immediate guaranteed arrest and prosecution would deter even idiots. Mind you, even guaranteed arrest and prosecution wouldn't have stopped Whitehaven - to stop that you'd need to bring in a total ban, neither licencing nor detection had any effect there. Adequate surveillance might have. An inability to acquire firearms would have. Licencing didn't and nor did any threat of deterrence.

So, shall we try a total ban on petrol, paraffin and wood?
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