Smoker rights?

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:18 am

General 21;1261593 wrote: God is not mocked.Galatians 6:9-10

Fags are the abomination and they go to Hell.Romans 1:26-32 and Leviticus 18:22.
Doesn't California have no public smoking laws too?:-2

General 21 · Post by **General 21** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:26 am

flopstock;1261595 wrote: Doesn't California have no public smoking laws too?:-2

It has,but I am not in favor of it.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:34 am

General 21;1261596 wrote: It has,but I am not in favor of it.

Count your blessings - we have the not within 15 feet of a doorway. As a previous smoker I always feel bad when I see folks standing out in the rain and snow while folks with colds and flu are not restricted at all from sitting next to me inside and spraying their germs directly in me.:p

G-man · Post by **G-man** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:48 am

What the heck are you people smoking??? :-2 :yh_rotfl

Faggot smokers shouldn't have any rights!

Smoke your fags at home, die and go to hell! I would assume that there are no rules concerning smoking in hell... depending upon which version of hell one believes in. :wah:

General 21 · Post by **General 21** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:05 am

flopstock;1261597 wrote: Count your blessings - we have the not within 15 feet of a doorway. As a previous smoker I always feel bad when I see folks standing out in the rain and snow while folks with colds and flu are not restricted at all from sitting next to me inside and spraying their germs directly in me.:p
Perhaps it is ok to ban smoking at children's oriented places ,but in adult facilities such as bars,night clubs,and the rest of places where are only adults,prohibiting smoking is insane.Adult places are made for smoking.

General 21 · Post by **General 21** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:06 am

G-man;1261599 wrote: What the heck are you people smoking??? :-2 :yh_rotfl

Faggot smokers shouldn't have any rights!

Smoke your fags at home, die and go to hell! I would assume that there are no rules concerning smoking in hell... depending upon which version of hell one believes in. :wah:
But what about dykes who smoke?

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:26 am

as a non smoker i am really pleased with the ban :-6:-6

i really dont get how people can be so selfish as to inflict all that smell and smoke on others not to mention that it could possibly kill them

i mean i need to fart sometimes in a pub and i go outside so it does not smell and as far as i know my farts have never killed anyone

:D

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:28 am

General 21;1261602 wrote: But what about dykes who smoke?
Didn't some guy put a finger or something in the hole to stop it leaking?

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:35 am

flopstock;1261611 wrote: Didn't some guy put a finger or something in the hole to stop it leaking?

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

dam you floppy i'm trying to be glum

:D(get it dyke dam )

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:47 am

farmer giles;1261610 wrote: as a non smoker i am really pleased with the ban :-6:-6

i really dont get how people can be so selfish as to inflict all that smell and smoke on others not to mention that it could possibly kill them

i mean i need to fart sometimes in a pub and i go outside so it does not smell and as far as i know my farts have never killed anyone

:D

I always went outside to smoke when I'd be in a restaurant - My ex used to be one of those who sat at the table and put his out in the mashed potatoes when he was done - it took years to get him to wait at least until the folks at his own table were done eatting... finally decided it was just easier to get rid of him ...:wah:

As for your last statement.... I don't believe either for a second.:rolleyes::yh_rotfl

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:13 am

flopstock;1261620 wrote: I always went outside to smoke when I'd be in a restaurant - My ex used to be one of those who sat at the table and put his out in the mashed potatoes when he was done - it took years to get him to wait at least until the folks at his own table were done eatting... finally decided it was just easier to get rid of him ...:wah:

As for your last statement.... I don't believe either for a second.:rolleyes::yh_rotfl

gross ex :-3:-3

glad you kicked that habbit

:)

G-man · Post by **G-man** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:29 am

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Good for you quitting smoking! That's SUCH a nasty habit... absolutely disgusting! Have you ever tried to kiss a woman who smoked? Ick! :yh_sick Smoking never made sense to me... I just never saw the point... just seems so illogical... a waste of time.

Barman · Post by **Barman** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:37 am

I have been told some people smoke after sex, dunno myself, never looked.

Old ones are the best, whoever said that was a prat. Weren't you Farmer was it?:p

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:44 am

Barman;1261640 wrote: I have been told some people smoke after sex, dunno myself, never looked.

Old ones are the best, whoever said that was a prat. Weren't you Farmer was it?:p

a smoke after sex is the best.

Skylark · Post by **Skylark** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:31 pm

Sorry, but I don't feel at all guilty seeing people having to smoke outside in the cold and rain. It is their choice if they want to smoke cancer sticks!

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:50 pm

[quote=flopstock;1261620]I always went outside to smoke when I'd be in a restaurant - My ex used to be one of those who sat at the table and put his out in the mashed potatoes when he was done - it took years to get him to wait at least until the folks at his own table were done eatting... finally decided it was just easier to get rid of him ...:wah:

[quote=Barman;1261640]I have been told some people smoke after sex, dunno myself, never looked.

You too are so damn funny:yh_rotfl I am hysterical right now with tears in my eyes:wah:

Floppy, I can just imagine your ex putting his cig in the mashed potatoes:D

Thank you for a great laugh;)

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:47 pm

I'm kind of laughing but revolted at the same time.

Times have changed. I still remember when it was relatively normal to have a forkful of food in one hand and a cigarette in the other.....

Hey, that General guy got banned. I feel a limerick coming on.....:sneaky:

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:12 pm

farmer giles;1261610 wrote: as a non smoker i am really pleased with the ban :-6:-6

i really dont get how people can be so selfish as to inflict all that smell and smoke on others not to mention that it could possibly kill them

i mean i need to fart sometimes in a pub and i go outside so it does not smell and as far as i know my farts have never killed anyone

:D

That which does not kill us makes us stronger.

Friedrich Nietzsche

Rapunzel · Post by **Rapunzel** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:28 pm

General 21;1261601 wrote: Perhaps it is ok to ban smoking at children's oriented places ,but in adult facilities such as bars,night clubs,and the rest of places where are only adults,prohibiting smoking is insane.Adult places are made for smoking.

I'd rather people smoked in bars and nightclubs than out in the street.

In our town there are 4 or 5 pubs in a row, with just a handful of shops between each one. Because the pubs are open all day now and because the smokers have to smoke outside, the pavement outside the pubs is always crammed with half-cut idiots waving their fag-ends around as they speak and putting in danger any passerby who tries to walk around them! I'm surprised they haven't taken out some kiddies eye yet! I'm damn sure they have burnt holes in peoples clothes as they wave their butts about, regardless of the passersby! And I have to walk my asthmatic daughter through their clouds of stinking smoke, where you have to catch your breath as it is impossible to breathe their smoke-laden air in without choking! Why can't they fug up the pub instead of making us breathe it in??!!

(Their butts are their fag-ends, the remains of a half-smoked cigarette!)

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:21 pm

Kathy Ellen;1264884 wrote: [quote=flopstock;1261620]I always went outside to smoke when I'd be in a restaurant - My ex used to be one of those who sat at the table and put his out in the mashed potatoes when he was done - it took years to get him to wait at least until the folks at his own table were done eatting... finally decided it was just easier to get rid of him ...:wah:

Barman;1261640 wrote: I have been told some people smoke after sex, dunno myself, never looked.;)Barman;1261640 wrote:

You too are so damn funny:yh_rotfl I am hysterical right now with tears in my eyes:wah:

Floppy, I can just imagine your ex putting his cig in the mashed potatoes:D

Thank you for a great laugh;)

My pleasure Ms KE:-4. I don't get to see you laugh often enough here lately! :-6

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:38 pm

flopstock;1265022 wrote: I always went outside to smoke when I'd be in a restaurant - My ex used to be one of those who sat at the table and put his out in the mashed potatoes when he was done - it took years to get him to wait at least until the folks at his own table were done eatting... finally decided it was just easier to get rid of him ...:wah:

flopstock;1261620 wrote:

My pleasure Ms KE:-4. I don't get to see you laugh often enough here lately! :-6

Thanks Floppy:-4 Yes, things in FG are not too much fun anymore. Hopefully, things will change with the tide.

Have you checked out my newly found chef. Hugh, in my Celebrity Chef thread. There's some great stuff there. You can watch him on Youtube. I just love that guy:-4. He's so unassuming and makes life seem so simple.

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:45 pm

Kathy Ellen;1265032 wrote:

Thanks Floppy:-4 Yes, things in FG are not too much fun anymore. Hopefully, things will change with the tide.

Ain't that the truth!!!

By the way, Kathy - I got a nice surprise in the mail this morning. Thanks for the photo!!! Very nice!! :sneaky:

joey2000 · Post by **joey2000** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:02 am

flopstock;1261597 wrote: Count your blessings - we have the not within 15 feet of a doorway. As a previous smoker I always feel bad when I see folks standing out in the rain and snow while folks with colds and flu are not restricted at all from sitting next to me inside and spraying their germs directly in me.:p
Wow, either people are unbelievably rude in Illinois or y'all have some seriously odd rules about mandatory public kissing.

Out here on the East Coast, people usually just cover their mouths.

But regardless, 2 wrongs don't make a right. I have no sympathy whatsoever for someone who "has" to go out in bad weather to get their fix.

General 21;1261601 wrote: Perhaps it is ok to ban smoking at children's oriented places ,but in adult facilities such as bars,night clubs,and the rest of places where are only adults,prohibiting smoking is insane.Adult places are made for smoking.
I think "adult places are made for smoking" is closer to insanity. What's insane about not wanting to die from 2d-hand smoke, never mind not wanting to smell like a cigarette butt when you leave?

I smoke once in a blue moon (usually after 1 too many drinks

so I get the appeal, but I agree that the whole thing is disgusting and crazy.

The one that absolutely amazes and disgusts me most of all, though, in fact the craziest by far, is seeing people smoke right outside of HOSPITAL doors. What the - ??? How is it logical in the slightest to allow this?

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:16 am

I think I've said this here before, why not let the owner of an establishment such as a bar post a sign that it is either a smoking or non-smoking establishment. Let people choose if they want to enter or not.

joey2000 · Post by **joey2000** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:34 am

For the same reason they can't ban minorities or women or wiccans or whatever - because even the owner of an establishment has limited rights in that regard.

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:10 am

Peg;1266415 wrote: I think I've said this here before, why not let the owner of an establishment such as a bar post a sign that it is either a smoking or non-smoking establishment. Let people choose if they want to enter or not.

The "new way" is to allow the government to make our choices for us. To go back to the days when the public was allowed free choice would be to invite anarchy.

joey2000 · Post by **joey2000** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:32 am

It's all a question of degree. Where to draw the line is obviously subjective.

Jazzy · Post by **Jazzy** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:06 pm

I just read an article that smoking is now banned in rental cars from Budget and Avis. A cleaning fee of up to $250 will be imposed on customers who are provided a smoke-free vehicle that has to be cleaned upon return to remove tabacco odor and/or residue. Other rental companies say that many of their locations restrict smoking, but they do not have a nation wide policy. Hertz says customers can request a smoke-free car but are not guaranteed one. Choose Avis or Budget if you insist on a no-smoke car.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:19 pm

they no longer make/install ashtrays in all vehicles including pick up trucks, etc.

you can no longer buy the part that you used, to if you wanted to install one, those are now obsolete.

Skylark · Post by **Skylark** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:02 pm

Peg;1266415 wrote: I think I've said this here before, why not let the owner of an establishment such as a bar post a sign that it is either a smoking or non-smoking establishment. Let people choose if they want to enter or not.

But what about the staff that would work in a smoking pub and the people who deliver beer etc.?

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:07 pm

Skylark;1266581 wrote: But what about the staff that would work in a smoking pub and the people who deliver beer etc.?

Once upon a time, way back in history, public houses and inns used to have what was called the 'smoke room'. I often wonder why these 'rooms' weren't brought back, with extractor fans. The problem of staff being inflicted with second hand uggy smoke could have been sorted by not having bar access directly into this 'room'. As it is, now, pubs (particularly noticeable in rural areas), have constructed outside 'sun parlours' with roofs and half glazed sides, and inside is comfy seating and tables with ashtrays! Thus providing the 'lepers' with reasonable comfort whilst they patronise the 'local' for their liquid refreshment - are these the new 'smoke rooms' ? Obviously the publican must have applied for planning permission for such a construction and permission granted by the local authorities.

It's a strange thing, but in my opinion, I think that alcohol is a far more anti-social and damaging commodity than cigarettes ever were, or will be. Just think about that for a moment. After all, I have never seen a person, who has smoked too many cigarettes, go up to a total stranger and punch his lights out ! But I have seen a person who has had too much alcohol, do such a thing................ sobering thought hey ! :rolleyes:

Skylark · Post by **Skylark** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:34 pm

G#Gill;1266589 wrote: Once upon a time, way back in history, public houses and inns used to have what was called the 'smoke room'. I often wonder why these 'rooms' weren't brought back, with extractor fans. The problem of staff being inflicted with second hand uggy smoke could have been sorted by not having bar access directly into this 'room'. As it is, now, pubs (particularly noticeable in rural areas), have constructed outside 'sun parlours' with roofs and half glazed sides, and inside is comfy seating and tables with ashtrays! Thus providing the 'lepers' with reasonable comfort whilst they patronise the 'local' for their liquid refreshment - are these the new 'smoke rooms' ? Obviously the publican must have applied for planning permission for such a construction and permission granted by the local authorities.

It's a strange thing, but in my opinion, I think that alcohol is a far more anti-social and damaging commodity than cigarettes ever were, or will be. Just think about that for a moment. After all, I have never seen a person, who has smoked too many cigarettes, go up to a total stranger and punch his lights out ! But I have seen a person who has had too much alcohol, do such a thing................ sobering thought hey ! :rolleyes:

Are you a smoker?

The new smoking rooms are not fully enclosed so they are still outside and that is the difference.

The smoking ban never had anything to do with being anti-social.

I think it is fair to say that more people die of smoking related diseases than alcohol. I am sure that in the long term there will be less people dying and needing NHS treatment because of the smoking ban.

The majority of people in our country were against smoking in public places. Why should non smokers have to put up with breathing in other people's smoke? It was never fair!

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:43 pm

No smoking on Manly Beach now means we can relax on clean sand - in the rather nice knowledge that the only butt beneath us is our own.

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:00 pm

Skylark;1266838 wrote: Are you a smoker?

The new smoking rooms are not fully enclosed so they are still outside and that is the difference.

The smoking ban never had anything to do with being anti-social.

I think it is fair to say that more people die of smoking related diseases than alcohol. I am sure that in the long term there will be less people dying and needing NHS treatment because of the smoking ban.

The majority of people in our country were against smoking in public places. Why should non smokers have to put up with breathing in other people's smoke? It was never fair!

Oh I agree with you, Skylark ! It is most unpleasant and unhealthy to have to breathe in other peoples' smoke, but it would be interesting to find out how many people have damaged their livers etc, or have been savagely attacked by drunken thugs, some being killed, compared to lung damage by smoke inhalation (either first-hand, or second-hand) .

Yes I am a smoker, and I wish I could give it up, but at the moment there is too much stress for me to deal with, to try to give up now. However, maybe in the new year I will give it a go!

With regard to alcohol related problems and the NHS, have you ever had the misfortune to attend A & E on a Friday or Saturday night? When security staff at hospitals have to be doubled, in order to protect the nursing staff and doctors attending to drunks carted in off the streets, and drunks glassed in fights. When road accident victims have to wait hours before they can be attended to, because there are so many injured drunks in the queue ahead of them. When A & E waiting areas are bulging with police on stand-by in case of trouble. I just hope that people don't have heart attacks on Friday or Saturday nights, because it's quite likely that an ambulance for them will not be available, and that precious 'golden hour' will be lost!

I believe that both alcohol and smoking are a severe drain on NHS resources, and I find it difficult to decide which is causing the heavier drain.

joey2000 · Post by **joey2000** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:47 pm

AussiePam;1266839 wrote: No smoking on Manly Beach now means we can relax on clean sand - in the rather nice knowledge that the only butt beneath us is our own.
If only Mexico and the Carribean islands would follow suit.

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:13 pm

AussiePam;1266839 wrote: No smoking on Manly Beach now means we can relax on clean sand - in the rather nice knowledge that the only butt beneath us is our own.

I haven't noticed any such restriction in the UK, but in any case, I always use an ashtray with a lid when I'm on the beach, or sitting out any where in the open. I am aware of the unpleasantness of seeing such horrible stubs all over the place. I always think that many smokers are very thoughtless in that regard. It's almost as bad as seeing dollops of dog mess around where people have to walk - disgusting! We always have loads of plaggy bags stuffed into pockets so we can clean up such messes that out dog may make. It aint difficult innit?

Skylark · Post by **Skylark** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:29 pm

G#Gill;1266843 wrote: Oh I agree with you, Skylark ! It is most unpleasant and unhealthy to have to breathe in other peoples' smoke, but it would be interesting to find out how many people have damaged their livers etc, or have been savagely attacked by drunken thugs, some being killed, compared to lung damage by smoke inhalation (either first-hand, or second-hand) .

Yes I am a smoker, and I wish I could give it up, but at the moment there is too much stress for me to deal with, to try to give up now. However, maybe in the new year I will give it a go!

With regard to alcohol related problems and the NHS, have you ever had the misfortune to attend A & E on a Friday or Saturday night? When security staff at hospitals have to be doubled, in order to protect the nursing staff and doctors attending to drunks carted in off the streets, and drunks glassed in fights. When road accident victims have to wait hours before they can be attended to, because there are so many injured drunks in the queue ahead of them. When A & E waiting areas are bulging with police on stand-by in case of trouble. I just hope that people don't have heart attacks on Friday or Saturday nights, because it's quite likely that an ambulance for them will not be available, and that precious 'golden hour' will be lost!

I believe that both alcohol and smoking are a severe drain on NHS resources, and I find it difficult to decide which is causing the heavier drain.

Good luck Gill with giving up smoking!

Smoking as you know causes a host of diseases including cancer anywhere in the body, high blood pressure, many lung diseases etc. etc.

Yes, alochol causes diseases and disturbances and even deaths. I think in the U.K. the age for drinking should be raised to 21 and of course cheap alochol is another reason why there is binge drinking.

And it isn't fair that people in A & E who have not been drinking should have to wait for the drunks. Regarding transplants I would rather see a healthy liver go to a cancer victim rather than an alocholic.