Reversing Liberty

Post by **spot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:32 pm

Right, gang. This is a how-to thread.

I don't know the answer, all I'm doing is posing the question.

How, as a publicity stunt, would one go about turning the Statue of Liberty to face inland?

It has to be done in one night, between sunset and sunrise, without anyone noticing until it's finished. Nothing is to be left damaged in any way.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:33 pm

does it not already face inland?

Post by **spot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:40 pm

kazalala;1271716 wrote: does it not already face inland?

Perhaps a photo would help.

http://www.globalmountainsummit.org/ima ... erty-l.jpg

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kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:41 pm

spot;1271720 wrote: Perhaps a photo would help.

http://www.globalmountainsummit.org/ima ... erty-l.jpg

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no... it dont help sorry

Post by **spot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:43 pm

kazalala;1271721 wrote: no... it dont help sorry

It's inland, it faces the open sea at the moment.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:44 pm

spot;1271722 wrote: It's inland, it faces the open sea at the moment.

ok, :-3 i always thought it was looking towards land, weird innit how you think something so long, and its totally wrong:rolleyes::wah:

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:53 pm

spot;1271714 wrote: Right, gang. This is a how-to thread.

I don't know the answer, all I'm doing is posing the question.

How, as a publicity stunt, would one go about turning the Statue of Liberty to face inland?

It has to be done in one night, between sunset and sunrise, without anyone noticing until it's finished. Nothing is to be left damaged in any way.What gives you the idea it can be done on those terms?

Post by **spot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:54 pm

Ahso!;1271727 wrote: What gives you the idea it can be done on those terms?

Imagination, squire. I've an excess.

yaaarrrgg · Post by **yaaarrrgg** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:02 pm

If you take into account the Earth spinning, it reverses direction every night.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:13 pm

At first I thought Liberty Island was man made, but that turns out to no be the case as I've been learning about it, which I suspect may be the actual reason for Spot's inquiry. I think he enjoys teaching.

I suppose it's possible that there may be some sort of mechanical structure underlying the statue itself which could allow for directional manipulation in a lifting and turning manner.

Other than using graphic design or computer animation of some sort, I'm presently stumped.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:33 pm

A rotating platform could be built. Not overnight of course, but once built, could do its job over the course of an evening.

Jazzy · Post by **Jazzy** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:37 pm

Yes, I could move it in my dreams :wah:

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:10 pm

spot;1271714 wrote: Right, gang. This is a how-to thread.

I don't know the answer, all I'm doing is posing the question.

How, as a publicity stunt, would one go about turning the Statue of Liberty to face inland?

It has to be done in one night, between sunset and sunrise, without anyone noticing until it's finished. Nothing is to be left damaged in any way.

:yh_eyerol

And here I thought you were to test me! Tsk Tsk Shame on you for not making it challenging! :wah:

Simple!

You place a gargantuan mirror on the side of her armpit! :yh_sungla

Simple!

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:12 pm

K.Snyder;1271759 wrote: :yh_eyerol

And here I thought you were to test me! Tsk Tsk Shame on you for not making it challenging! :wah:

Simple!

You place a gargantuan mirror on the side of her armpit! :yh_sungla

Simple!I don't expect you to admit this but you overlooked the use of the verb "turning", KS.

Please spare me the dissertation.

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:28 pm

K.Snyder;1271759 wrote: :yh_eyerol

And here I thought you were to test me! Tsk Tsk Shame on you for not making it challenging! :wah:

Simple!

You place a gargantuan mirror on the side of her armpit! :yh_sungla

Simple!

Kev, you must be reading my mind :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Except I wouldn't necessarily place the mirror on the side of her armpit, perhaps directly infront of her, so she appears to be looking inland !

:-6 :sneaky:

Post by **spot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:31 pm

Ahso!;1271740 wrote: At first I thought Liberty Island was man made, but that turns out to no be the case as I've been learning about it, which I suspect may be the actual reason for Spot's inquiry. I think he enjoys teaching.

I suppose it's possible that there may be some sort of mechanical structure underlying the statue itself which could allow for directional manipulation in a lifting and turning manner.

Other than using graphic design or computer animation of some sort, I'm presently stumped.

On a point of clarification, when I wrote "It has to be done in one night" I meant the turnaround, not necessarily any preparatory work.

Lifting from above, it strikes me, is guaranteed to cause too much damage. I think you're right about introducing some form of turntable underneath. I'm wondering at the moment how far underneath, and how much of Liberty Island has to turn at the same time.

yaaarrrgg · Post by **yaaarrrgg** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:35 pm

To avoid detention, I think you'd almost have to work below the sea floor, and cut a ring out around it.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:38 pm

Ellis Island is actually a different Island. The Statue of Liberty is on Liberty Island, formerly called Bedloe's Island.

Post by **spot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:45 pm

Ahso!;1271779 wrote: Ellis Island is actually a different Island. The Statue of Liberty is on Liberty Island, formerly called Bedloe's Island.

I misspoke myself. The reference to Ellis Island has been corrected in the offending post to Liberty Island. I shall strive for accuracy in future.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:45 pm

spot;1271714 wrote:

How, as a publicity stunt, would one go about turning the Statue of Liberty to face inland?

It has to be done in one night, between sunset and sunrise, without anyone noticing until it's finished.

Only one question.....Why would anyone want to ?

Post by **spot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:45 pm

Bruv;1271782 wrote: Only one question.....Why would anyone want to ?
Because it's there!

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:48 pm

Bruv;1271782 wrote: Only one question.....Why would anyone want to ?Let me take a crack at this one.

It is because as a nation, America has turned it's back on everything the statue of liberty represents, hense "Reversing Liberty"

How did I do?

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:48 pm

Ahso!;1271760 wrote: I don't expect you to admit this but you overlooked the use of the verb "turning", KS.

Please spare me the dissertation.

au contraire!

The holographic principle is a property of quantum gravity and string theories which states that the description of a volume of space can be thought of as encoded on a boundary to the region — preferably a light-like boundary like a gravitational horizon. First proposed by Gerard 't Hooft, it was given a precise string-theory interpretation by Leonard Susskind.

In a larger and more speculative sense, the theory suggests that the entire universe can be seen as a two-dimensional information structure "painted" on the cosmological horizon, such that the three dimensions we observe are only an effective description at macroscopic scales and at low energies. Cosmological holography has not been made mathematically precise, partly because the cosmological horizon has a finite area and grows with time.

The holographic principle was inspired by black hole thermodynamics, which implies that the maximal entropy in any region scales with the radius squared, and not cubed as might be expected. In the case of a black hole, the insight was that the description of all the objects which have fallen in can be entirely contained in surface fluctuations of the event horizon. The holographic principle resolves the black hole information paradox within the framework of string theory.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle

This says quite clearly there is no such word as "turning"!

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:49 pm

spot;1271783 wrote: Because it's there!Damn!

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:50 pm

K.Snyder;1271785 wrote: au contraire!

Holographic principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaLMMFAO! I knew you'd redefine "facing" to mean "reflecting."

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:56 pm

kazalala;1271723 wrote: ok, :-3 i always thought it was looking towards land, weird innit how you think something so long, and its totally wrong:rolleyes::wah:
Well, technically it does face land, just not ones specific definition of "inland" which implies the denotation of the majority of "land" defined within the context of "state", "continent", "country" etc...

yaaarrrgg · Post by **yaaarrrgg** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:58 pm

K, I think you'd have a easier time redefining 'inland'. After all if China's buying the U.S. ...

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:09 pm

Ahso!;1271788 wrote: LMMFAO! I knew you'd redefine "facing" to mean "reflecting."

It's actually a theory I've had for quite some time! I think I'll indulge me interests!

I personally have pondered the idea that everything in existence is two dimensional and it all has to do with one's own personal observations. For instance we as intelligent life forms can only view "anything" as being two dimensional and it's only when we observe said "anything" from differing angles that we can only then make an educated guess as to whether or not the object in question is 3 dimensional...

It makes sense...

It's utterly impossible to view something in 3 dimensions. All we can do is assume "anything" is 3 dimensional based off of what our senses allow us to then interpret...Quite frankly, we've invented 3 dimensions...

How does one go about convincing themselves that what they see is the same as what they feel? This question gives rise to the conclusion that in order to ask it we must cease to separate any differences one might perceive sight, smell, touch etc is compared to one and the other...Quite frankly seeing is feeling in the same way feeling is seeing...It's entirely how one sees red and understands "hot" or how one sees bright orange and understands "loud"...

Quintessentially if you were to look at your computer screen you would think you'd see a 3 dimensional object but you wouldn't have understood that concept unless you touched it...

Thus, everything is 2 dimensional while all whom abide by the law of 3 dimensions permits themselves to deceive their own personal interpretations...

This means that "anything" is left up to personal interpretation hence there forth giving complete relevancy to "mirrors"...:yh_wink

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:24 pm

Don't we see in stereo 3D?

Post by **spot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:30 pm

K.Snyder;1271792 wrote: Thus, everything is 2 dimensional while all whom abide by the law of 3 dimensions permits themselves to deceive their own personal interpretations...I think I can disprove that. Take a dice (or technically, a die, but I'm prepared to be colloquial). Hold it ten inches from your nose with the 1 facing you. You can see three sides because your eyes are separated in a third dimension to the distance and plane of the dice itself. That appearance could be a consequence of a non-cubic shape of the dice but if you turn the 1 to the back you still get to see three faces. The only interpretation of those data is a minimum of three dimensions being perceived.

What's certainly true is that the dice might have more than three non-time dimensions and that you're physiologically incapable of detecting any other than width, depth and height.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:31 pm

spot;1271772 wrote: On a point of clarification, when I wrote "It has to be done in one night" I meant the turnaround, not necessarily any preparatory work.

Lifting from above, it strikes me, is guaranteed to cause too much damage. I think you're right about introducing some form of turntable underneath. I'm wondering at the moment how far underneath, and how much of Liberty Island has to turn at the same time.The Island does not need to turn, I don't think.

I haven't been to the S of L for 20 some odd years. I remember it having a spiral staircase going up to the head. I think a thick rod could be installed through the middle attached to the stairwell at various points. the rod could go down into the ground a few yards. The motor could be underground. in a room.

It could be done.

Post by **spot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:35 pm

Ahso!;1271802 wrote: The Island does not need to turn, I don't think.

I haven't been to the S of L for 20 some odd years. I remember it having a spiral staircase going up to the head. I think a thick rod could be installed through the middle attached to the stairwell at various points. the rod could go down into the ground a few yards. The motor could be underground. in a room.

It could be done.

I was considering the damage to the foundation which would have to twist at the same rate, and interfaces with something rather more solid than air. You'd need to cut down into the surround to the depth of the foundation, in a cylindrical manner, and pour barrels of lubricant into the rather tight gap.

If you consider a microwave turntable, they go up and down as well as round and round - that would ease matters and who knows, the old lady might even enjoy the experience a bit more.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:39 pm

spot;1271805 wrote: You'd need to cut down into the surround to the depth of the foundation, in a cylindrical manner, and pour barrels of lubricant into the rather tight gap.

With a massive biscuit cutter ? But not the fluted kind........Then a giant can of WD40

And I thought you was being serious..............

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:42 pm

Well, the use of large amounts of oil as a lubricant to keep her moving would be an ironically fitting means of doing so too.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:42 pm

spot;1271801 wrote: I think I can disprove that. Take a dice (or technically, a die, but I'm prepared to be colloquial). Hold it ten inches from your nose with the 1 facing you. You can see three sides because your eyes are separated in a third dimension to the distance and plane of the dice itself. That appearance could be a consequence of a non-cubic shape of the dice but if you turn the 1 to the back you still get to see three faces. The only interpretation of those data is a minimum of three dimensions being perceived.

What's certainly true is that the dice might have more than three non-time dimensions and that you're physiologically incapable of detecting any other than width, depth and height.

Yes, but if you "turn" the dice the initial side becomes non existent which leaves one looking at a 2 dimensional piece of dice for an equal amount of time it takes them to forget the side they're looking at...

AKA: Until they "die", if you will...

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:43 pm

Bruv;1271807 wrote: With a massive biscuit cutter ? But not the fluted kind........Then a giant can of WD40

And I thought you was being serious..............Do they make spray cans that large? Can you imagine how big that red extension straw would need to be?

Post by **spot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:45 pm

Ahso!;1271809 wrote: Well, the use of large amounts of oil as a lubricant to keep her moving would be an ironically fitting means of doing so too.

Maybe she could have a tight coiled resonating spring on your central rod, if you'll excuse the expression?

Post by **spot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:46 pm

Bruv;1271807 wrote: And I thought you was being serious..............

Hey, think about who you're talking to before you say that.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:50 pm

Ahso!;1271798 wrote: Don't we see in stereo 3D?

You wouldn't have been able to understand "3-D" had you not felt it and assumed the object you were feeling were "3-D" as defined by what I'm suggesting to you is a deceived interpretation.

If you were unable to intemperate "3-D" you'd see a 2 dimensional object with lines separating the "inland" for some reason that would be unexplained to you

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:19 pm

A response from the monument in question :

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:32 pm

Can Superman be involved ?

Post by **spot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:44 pm

Bruv;1271833 wrote: Can Superman be involved ?

Absolutely not!!

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:46 pm

spot;1271842 wrote: Absolutely not!!

Just asking

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:47 pm

Bruv;1271845 wrote: Just askingJust don't tell superman what Spot said.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:51 am

I've decided it would be much more practical and easier rather than to have Liberty turn her back on the rest of the world to remove the torch and her giving the world the finger.

If that doesn't suit then just have a very large sheet with her painted on it and cover her. Of course the torch would be in the opposite hand and her posture would look a bit odd but that would be fitting considering todays conditions anyway.

All the other stuff would cost too much money and we just don't have it to spend. We're much better off giving that money to a few rich folk in the form of tax reductions so they can create some low paying, trivial and worthless jobs for the rest of us peons.

Problem solved! And I fixed the economy to boot! - NEXT!

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:01 am

Why doesn't America just give her back to France and be done with it? What was the question?

I mean is Spottie trying to bamboozle us under the cover of a game into making The Lady inward looking instead of beckoning to the rest of the world to bring their poor and downtrodden and all that jazz.... Is he suggesting that now maybe that the American people should emigrate to France... ??? Merde alors. NON!!!!!

It's all too much for my Christmassed out brain. I'm going to pour a glass of vino and rewatch Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. ....

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:18 am

Now you've done it. I'm all suspicious now. Watch out, Spot, I'm a comin' for ya! Did you trick me? Use and abuse me, because you're so smart and I'm so...American?

Really, we're just a couple of guy's having fun.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:36 am

Ahso!;1271966 wrote:

Really, we're just a couple of guy's having fun.

Who is having most fun ?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:41 am

Bruv;1271990 wrote: Who is having most fun ?I'm not concerning myself with anyone but me.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:49 am

Plant an explosive in the sea bed. The idea is to produce a scientifically calculated tsunami with just enough yet precise force to nudge the lady around.

Ive actually been working on something similar. I want to move the Rock of Gibralter into the Baltic Sea.