KANDAHAR, Afghanistan – Britain's prime minister worked Sunday to smooth relations with Afghan President Hamid Karzai and renew Britain's commitment to the war despite its unpopularity back home.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown said he would ship helicopters, equipment and roadside bomb surveillance devices along with 500 reinforcements he recently announced will join 9,500 British troops deployed mostly in southern Afghanistan. Regions of Afghanistan are at the "epicenter" of the global terrorist threat, Brown said, defending his decision to sent more British forces to war.
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Gordon Brown lives in a fantasy world in which he is a great prime minister. He probably believes that the election in afghanistan was a fair one. Do bear in mind his party received less than a third of the votes at the last election, it is a defect in our electoral system that he is in office at all but he deludes himself he has a mandate to rule the UK so he is quite capable of deluding himself about afghanistan as well.
The provisional title for his autobiography is "I am the greatest and none of it was my fault-honest" Not so much a capability brown as totally useless brown.
I'm depressed now. Wish i hadn't bothered reading this post:wah:
The provisional title for his autobiography is "I am the greatest and none of it was my fault-honest" Not so much a capability brown as totally useless brown.
I'm depressed now. Wish i hadn't bothered reading this post:wah:
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gmc;1272720 wrote: Gordon Brown is a great prime minister. :
Yes, I agree with you Auld Yin.
Yes, I agree with you Auld Yin.
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oscar;1272721 wrote: Yes, I agree with you Auld Yin.
semantics, as ever, totally escape you.
Joined the BNP yet? Think we'll see Tony Bliar put ion trial?
semantics, as ever, totally escape you.
Joined the BNP yet? Think we'll see Tony Bliar put ion trial?
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gmc;1272752 wrote: semantics, as ever, totally escape you.
Joined the BNP yet? Think we'll see Tony Bliar put ion trial?
I'll answer your questions Fluffy Sporran although as I write, It is 5 minutes past midnight and Scotworld is probably closed for the night.
Have I joined the BNP? I may or may not have... What is fact is that standing Independently was far too costly so I did join the party that represents the majority of my views. Thus, I have been nominated as the parlimentary Candidate for my constituancy and Is the reason I do not have as much time for FG although I must admit, I do miss your caustic banter Oh Thistly one.
Tony Blair 'ion' on Trial.. The last time I looked, an 'ion' was an atom or molecule where the total number of electrons is not equal to the total number of protons, giving it a net positive or negative electrical charge. However, I am sure you really meant 'Tony Blair ON trial' which has a whole new meaning. I can understand your typo as It must have been In the sheer excitement of finding me on a thread because you know that you have missed me, you just won't admit It. I know that you miss me and If It is any comfort to you, I can tell you that I do think of you Occassionally in a pythonesque affectionate type way.
Blair SHOULD stand trial especially after his confession that he would have Invaded anyway, however, there's probably more chance of The SNP winning an Election. No One will allow him to come to trial.... It'll be a cover up as per usual.
Joined the BNP yet? Think we'll see Tony Bliar put ion trial?
I'll answer your questions Fluffy Sporran although as I write, It is 5 minutes past midnight and Scotworld is probably closed for the night.
Have I joined the BNP? I may or may not have... What is fact is that standing Independently was far too costly so I did join the party that represents the majority of my views. Thus, I have been nominated as the parlimentary Candidate for my constituancy and Is the reason I do not have as much time for FG although I must admit, I do miss your caustic banter Oh Thistly one.
Tony Blair 'ion' on Trial.. The last time I looked, an 'ion' was an atom or molecule where the total number of electrons is not equal to the total number of protons, giving it a net positive or negative electrical charge. However, I am sure you really meant 'Tony Blair ON trial' which has a whole new meaning. I can understand your typo as It must have been In the sheer excitement of finding me on a thread because you know that you have missed me, you just won't admit It. I know that you miss me and If It is any comfort to you, I can tell you that I do think of you Occassionally in a pythonesque affectionate type way.
Blair SHOULD stand trial especially after his confession that he would have Invaded anyway, however, there's probably more chance of The SNP winning an Election. No One will allow him to come to trial.... It'll be a cover up as per usual.
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oscar;1272851 wrote: I'll answer your questions Fluffy Sporran although as I write, It is 5 minutes past midnight and Scotworld is probably closed for the night.
Have I joined the BNP? I may or may not have... What is fact is that standing Independently was far too costly so I did join the party that represents the majority of my views. Thus, I have been nominated as the parlimentary Candidate for my constituancy and Is the reason I do not have as much time for FG although I must admit, I do miss your caustic banter Oh Thistly one.
Tony Blair 'ion' on Trial.. The last time I looked, an 'ion' was an atom or molecule where the total number of electrons is not equal to the total number of protons, giving it a net positive or negative electrical charge. However, I am sure you really meant 'Tony Blair ON trial' which has a whole new meaning. I can understand your typo as It must have been In the sheer excitement of finding me on a thread because you know that you have missed me, you just won't admit It. I know that you miss me and If It is any comfort to you, I can tell you that I do think of you Occassionally in a pythonesque affectionate type way.
Blair SHOULD stand trial especially after his confession that he would have Invaded anyway, however, there's probably more chance of The SNP winning an Election. No One will allow him to come to trial.... It'll be a cover up as per usual.
I type I spell sometimes I can't quite manage the two together very well.
So now yo have finally come put your BNP closet why not come on a forum where we can properly take you to task and point out the error of your ways or is it simply like all extremists- on either extreme of the political spectrum- when it really comes right down to it can't justify your opinions and your way of resolving disagreements is to ignore dissent when you can't handle it and crush it when you can.
Have I joined the BNP? I may or may not have... What is fact is that standing Independently was far too costly so I did join the party that represents the majority of my views. Thus, I have been nominated as the parlimentary Candidate for my constituancy and Is the reason I do not have as much time for FG although I must admit, I do miss your caustic banter Oh Thistly one.
Tony Blair 'ion' on Trial.. The last time I looked, an 'ion' was an atom or molecule where the total number of electrons is not equal to the total number of protons, giving it a net positive or negative electrical charge. However, I am sure you really meant 'Tony Blair ON trial' which has a whole new meaning. I can understand your typo as It must have been In the sheer excitement of finding me on a thread because you know that you have missed me, you just won't admit It. I know that you miss me and If It is any comfort to you, I can tell you that I do think of you Occassionally in a pythonesque affectionate type way.
Blair SHOULD stand trial especially after his confession that he would have Invaded anyway, however, there's probably more chance of The SNP winning an Election. No One will allow him to come to trial.... It'll be a cover up as per usual.
I type I spell sometimes I can't quite manage the two together very well.
So now yo have finally come put your BNP closet why not come on a forum where we can properly take you to task and point out the error of your ways or is it simply like all extremists- on either extreme of the political spectrum- when it really comes right down to it can't justify your opinions and your way of resolving disagreements is to ignore dissent when you can't handle it and crush it when you can.
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gmc;1272880 wrote: I type I spell sometimes I can't quite manage the two together very well.
So now yo have finally come put your BNP closet why not come on a forum where we can properly take you to task and point out the error of your ways or is it simply like all extremists- on either extreme of the political spectrum- when it really comes right down to it can't justify your opinions and your way of resolving disagreements is to ignore dissent when you can't handle it and crush it when you can.'yo' ??? Are you getting down in the hood with the groovy speak or another typo?
'yo have finally come put your BNP closet' ??? Another typo or some strange Celtic language that I'm am un-educated in?
Where In my former post did I say that I joined the BNP? What I said was that I may or may not have and infact joined the Party that represents the Majority of my views. :p
So now yo have finally come put your BNP closet why not come on a forum where we can properly take you to task and point out the error of your ways or is it simply like all extremists- on either extreme of the political spectrum- when it really comes right down to it can't justify your opinions and your way of resolving disagreements is to ignore dissent when you can't handle it and crush it when you can.'yo' ??? Are you getting down in the hood with the groovy speak or another typo?
'yo have finally come put your BNP closet' ??? Another typo or some strange Celtic language that I'm am un-educated in?
Where In my former post did I say that I joined the BNP? What I said was that I may or may not have and infact joined the Party that represents the Majority of my views. :p
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oscar;1272913 wrote: 'yo' ??? Are you getting down in the hood with the groovy speak or another typo?
'yo have finally come put your BNP closet' ??? Another typo or some strange Celtic language that I'm am un-educated in?
Where In my former post did I say that I joined the BNP? What I said was that I may or may not have and infact joined the Party that represents the Majority of my views. :p
And you have expressed your views frequently enough and clearly enough to make that party obvious :yh_rotfl
'yo have finally come put your BNP closet' ??? Another typo or some strange Celtic language that I'm am un-educated in?
Where In my former post did I say that I joined the BNP? What I said was that I may or may not have and infact joined the Party that represents the Majority of my views. :p
And you have expressed your views frequently enough and clearly enough to make that party obvious :yh_rotfl
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oscar;1272851 wrote: ... Thus, I have been nominated as the parlimentary Candidate for my constituancy...
I can't believe you are mocking typos.
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If you want to be in government you might learn how to spell the key terms. I'd also suggest being very careful about how you present your political views and any parlimentary [sic] information on a public forum that your constituancy [sic] might stumble upon.
I can't believe you are mocking typos.
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If you want to be in government you might learn how to spell the key terms. I'd also suggest being very careful about how you present your political views and any parlimentary [sic] information on a public forum that your constituancy [sic] might stumble upon.
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koan;1272977 wrote: I can't believe you are mocking typos.
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If you want to be in government you might learn how to spell the key terms. I'd also suggest being very careful about how you present your political views and any parlimentary [sic] information on a public forum that your constituancy [sic] might stumble upon.
You misunderstand entirely Koan. gmc and I have done the rounds with each other ever since I joined this forum. It's a British thing. He mocks me and I mock him. Infact, we get great pleasure in doing so. There is not one iota of spite or malice whatsoever in our posts and if truth were known, we have mutual respect for each others views. I would not mock anyone's typo's except Spot but then that's the law. gmc and I will no doubt continue to mock each other and if you go back through a years worth of posts between us, you will see this for yourself. Everyone else on this forum knows that what gmc and I share, is called bandiage... not mocking.
As for my spelling... I do not claim to be the greatest speller, nor do I care If I can't spell. It's not some-thing that keeps me awake at night nor do I have any desire to use my spell check tool.
Hope this clears things up
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You misunderstand entirely Koan. gmc and I have done the rounds with each other ever since I joined this forum. It's a British thing. He mocks me and I mock him. Infact, we get great pleasure in doing so. There is not one iota of spite or malice whatsoever in our posts and if truth were known, we have mutual respect for each others views. I would not mock anyone's typo's except Spot but then that's the law. gmc and I will no doubt continue to mock each other and if you go back through a years worth of posts between us, you will see this for yourself. Everyone else on this forum knows that what gmc and I share, is called bandiage... not mocking.
As for my spelling... I do not claim to be the greatest speller, nor do I care If I can't spell. It's not some-thing that keeps me awake at night nor do I have any desire to use my spell check tool.
Hope this clears things up
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koan;1272977 wrote: I can't believe you are mocking typos.
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If you want to be in government you might learn how to spell the key terms. I'd also suggest being very careful about how you present your political views and any parlimentary [sic] information on a public forum that your constituancy [sic] might stumble upon.
The difference is when I spell a word wrong it's usually a typing error oscar just can't spell properly. There was a few years in primary education when the powers that be decided to change the time honoured way people were taught to spell and were taught phonetically and the rules of grammar were dropped as not being necessary as a result you have an age range of people in the UK round about the age oscar seems to be who cannot spell properly. My wife was much amused recently to find as english department in her school who didn't know the difference in spelling between, bow and bough and bow as in bow to someone and bough of a tree. But then english teachers are noted for not being very bright but thinking they are.
Oscar's has joined the BNP which is the british nazi party by another name. As such she is fair game to most of the british posters. Most of her supporters probably can't speak english properly never mind spell it-the irony of which will of course escape her.
By the way oscar it's badinage not bandiage which sounds like a game you would play with someone in nurses uniform.
Mind you up until now I've been too polite to make fun of her spelling being well aware of the likely cause and realising it is not a reflection on her intellect.
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If you want to be in government you might learn how to spell the key terms. I'd also suggest being very careful about how you present your political views and any parlimentary [sic] information on a public forum that your constituancy [sic] might stumble upon.
The difference is when I spell a word wrong it's usually a typing error oscar just can't spell properly. There was a few years in primary education when the powers that be decided to change the time honoured way people were taught to spell and were taught phonetically and the rules of grammar were dropped as not being necessary as a result you have an age range of people in the UK round about the age oscar seems to be who cannot spell properly. My wife was much amused recently to find as english department in her school who didn't know the difference in spelling between, bow and bough and bow as in bow to someone and bough of a tree. But then english teachers are noted for not being very bright but thinking they are.
Oscar's has joined the BNP which is the british nazi party by another name. As such she is fair game to most of the british posters. Most of her supporters probably can't speak english properly never mind spell it-the irony of which will of course escape her.
By the way oscar it's badinage not bandiage which sounds like a game you would play with someone in nurses uniform.
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Glad you two have an agreement.
I really was concerned, not knowing what the BNP is, that oscar was going to cause herself grief. Politics is none too kind to politicians who make rash public statements and FG has a very good google ranking.
If she's fine with the exposure then it puts my mind at ease.
I really was concerned, not knowing what the BNP is, that oscar was going to cause herself grief. Politics is none too kind to politicians who make rash public statements and FG has a very good google ranking.
If she's fine with the exposure then it puts my mind at ease.
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Well, from a friend I have in another forum, I've seemed to find that the BNP is a pretty radical extremist splinter party similar to extreme right-wing groups like the Minutemen" in the US. (Without the guns, of course!) Their main platform is rabidly anti-immigration.
Now, before I sound like I'm putting them down, I have to say that when you have Muslim groups setting up their own "Sharia Courts" inside your own country, I'd probably feel pretty scared, angry, and frustrated too! I honestly can't understand how Great Britain ever let that get started.
Back on topic: After seeing the devastation that the Taliban did to ancient treasures, the open-door policy it gives terrorists like Al Queda, and the vicious abuses of women, why are the British against involvement there?
Of the two wars America is fighting, I thought Iraq was useless and wrong-headed, but I thought Afghanistan was totally righteous. (If possibly unwinnable. See: Guerilla Warfare)
Now, before I sound like I'm putting them down, I have to say that when you have Muslim groups setting up their own "Sharia Courts" inside your own country, I'd probably feel pretty scared, angry, and frustrated too! I honestly can't understand how Great Britain ever let that get started.
Back on topic: After seeing the devastation that the Taliban did to ancient treasures, the open-door policy it gives terrorists like Al Queda, and the vicious abuses of women, why are the British against involvement there?
Of the two wars America is fighting, I thought Iraq was useless and wrong-headed, but I thought Afghanistan was totally righteous. (If possibly unwinnable. See: Guerilla Warfare)
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Saint_;1273133 wrote: Well, from a friend I have in another forum, I've seemed to find that the BNP is a pretty radical extremist splinter party similar to extreme right-wing groups like the Minutemen" in the US. (Without the guns, of course!) Their main platform is rabidly anti-immigration.
Now, before I sound like I'm putting them down, I have to say that when you have Muslim groups setting up their own "Sharia Courts" inside your own country, I'd probably feel pretty scared, angry, and frustrated too! I honestly can't understand how Great Britain ever let that get started.
Back on topic: After seeing the devastation that the Taliban did to ancient treasures, the open-door policy it gives terrorists like Al Queda, and the vicious abuses of women, why are the British against involvement there?
Of the two wars America is fighting, I thought Iraq was useless and wrong-headed, but I thought Afghanistan was totally righteous. (If possibly unwinnable. See: Guerilla Warfare)
Had the British and US governments had a firm legal basis for starting the war and have given the duly elected Afghan government a reasonable amount of time to capture the leadership of Al Qaeda before invading then I would have no problem with the war. As it was, the invasion was illegal and immoral and has no possible justification within a civilised nation.
Now, before I sound like I'm putting them down, I have to say that when you have Muslim groups setting up their own "Sharia Courts" inside your own country, I'd probably feel pretty scared, angry, and frustrated too! I honestly can't understand how Great Britain ever let that get started.
Back on topic: After seeing the devastation that the Taliban did to ancient treasures, the open-door policy it gives terrorists like Al Queda, and the vicious abuses of women, why are the British against involvement there?
Of the two wars America is fighting, I thought Iraq was useless and wrong-headed, but I thought Afghanistan was totally righteous. (If possibly unwinnable. See: Guerilla Warfare)
Had the British and US governments had a firm legal basis for starting the war and have given the duly elected Afghan government a reasonable amount of time to capture the leadership of Al Qaeda before invading then I would have no problem with the war. As it was, the invasion was illegal and immoral and has no possible justification within a civilised nation.
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Bryn Mawr;1273207 wrote: Had the British and US governments had a firm legal basis for starting the war and have given the duly elected Afghan government a reasonable amount of time to capture the leadership of Al Qaeda before invading then I would have no problem with the war. As it was, the invasion was illegal and immoral and has no possible justification within a civilised nation.If I remember correctly, Bryn, didn't the Taliban say they were not going to pursue Bin Laden, or claimed to not have the resources to do so?
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Ahso!;1273212 wrote: If I remember correctly, Bryn, didn't the Taliban say they were not going to pursue Bin Laden, or claimed to not have the resources to do so?
They said, quite rightly, that given the difficulty of the terrain in which he was entrenched, it would take then a long time to get at him given the limited resources they had at their command.
Have the Allied forces so far proved them wrong given the vastly superior forces that they have to hand?
They said, quite rightly, that given the difficulty of the terrain in which he was entrenched, it would take then a long time to get at him given the limited resources they had at their command.
Have the Allied forces so far proved them wrong given the vastly superior forces that they have to hand?
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Yeah, the "time to do it themselves" argument has merit, but I thought the Taliban was the government.... aren't they terrorists too?
How can you give terrorists time to catch other terrorists?
How can you give terrorists time to catch other terrorists?
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Bryn Mawr;1273226 wrote: They said, quite rightly, that given the difficulty of the terrain in which he was entrenched, it would take then a long time to get at him given the limited resources they had at their command.
Have the Allied forces so far proved them wrong given the vastly superior forces that they have to hand?I'm wondering then why not let the allied forces try to find the terrorist's? Why let happen what they knew would?
Have the Allied forces so far proved them wrong given the vastly superior forces that they have to hand?I'm wondering then why not let the allied forces try to find the terrorist's? Why let happen what they knew would?
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Saint_;1273227 wrote: Yeah, the "time to do it themselves" argument has merit, but I thought the Taliban was the government.... aren't they terrorists too?
How can you give terrorists time to catch other terrorists?
No, they are not terrorists - no-one other than the popular media has ever suggested that they were involved in the 9/11 atrocity.
They were the duly elected government of Afghanistan at the time of 9/11 but in no way involved in it.
How can you give terrorists time to catch other terrorists?
No, they are not terrorists - no-one other than the popular media has ever suggested that they were involved in the 9/11 atrocity.
They were the duly elected government of Afghanistan at the time of 9/11 but in no way involved in it.
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gmc;1273074 wrote: The difference is when I spell a word wrong it's usually a typing error oscar just can't spell properly. There was a few years in primary education when the powers that be decided to change the time honoured way people were taught to spell and were taught phonetically and the rules of grammar were dropped as not being necessary as a result you have an age range of people in the UK round about the age oscar seems to be who cannot spell properly. My wife was much amused recently to find as english department in her school who didn't know the difference in spelling between, bow and bough and bow as in bow to someone and bough of a tree. But then english teachers are noted for not being very bright but thinking they are.
Oscar's has joined the BNP which is the british nazi party by another name. As such she is fair game to most of the british posters. Most of her supporters probably can't speak english properly never mind spell it-the irony of which will of course escape her.
By the way oscar it's badinage not bandiage which sounds like a game you would play with someone in nurses uniform. Mind you up until now I've been too polite to make fun of her spelling being well aware of the likely cause and realising it is not a reflection on her intellect.
Believe or not Oh Sporran chops... I did manage an English Lit A level in that private school but sadly, many years have passed since my English master and I parted company. However, I do show the curtesy of using capital letters when refering to our Gorgeous leader and our country. This is something that seems to escape you. :p:p:p
Oscar's has joined the BNP which is the british nazi party by another name. As such she is fair game to most of the british posters. Most of her supporters probably can't speak english properly never mind spell it-the irony of which will of course escape her.
By the way oscar it's badinage not bandiage which sounds like a game you would play with someone in nurses uniform.
Mind you up until now I've been too polite to make fun of her spelling being well aware of the likely cause and realising it is not a reflection on her intellect.Believe or not Oh Sporran chops... I did manage an English Lit A level in that private school but sadly, many years have passed since my English master and I parted company. However, I do show the curtesy of using capital letters when refering to our Gorgeous leader and our country. This is something that seems to escape you. :p:p:p
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oscar;1273301 wrote: Believe or not Oh Sporran chops... I did manage an English Lit A level in that private school but sadly, many years have passed since my English master and I parted company. However, I do show the curtesy of using capital letters when refering to our Gorgeous leader and our country. This is something that seems to escape you. :p:p:p
OK since you insist GORDON IS A MORON
OK since you insist GORDON IS A MORON
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gmc;1273418 wrote: OK since you insist GORDON IS SEXY
There... see what can be achieved when you try. :p
Anyway... getting back to topic... There is no reason for his Worthiness to placate anyone. We went into the war under a lie and hopefully the Chilcott enquirey will reveal the truth behind Blairs true reasons. However, I do feel it is unfair to blame Gordon nor any leader for the deaths in Iraq and Afghan. British troops are under no Illusion that they will never defend the country from Invasion with Nucleur weapons, so they are more than aware that active service will be on foriegn soil. They sign up of their own free will knowing exactly what they are likely to be doing. It annoys me when I see Parents and wives of troops whinging that It's the fault of the Government when the truth is, their loved one signed up and knew what to expect. Families will beam with pride when their loved one is awarded a medal for blowing up the Taliban or the Iraqi's yet whinge all the way to No 10 should their loved one be the casualty.
There... see what can be achieved when you try. :p
Anyway... getting back to topic... There is no reason for his Worthiness to placate anyone. We went into the war under a lie and hopefully the Chilcott enquirey will reveal the truth behind Blairs true reasons. However, I do feel it is unfair to blame Gordon nor any leader for the deaths in Iraq and Afghan. British troops are under no Illusion that they will never defend the country from Invasion with Nucleur weapons, so they are more than aware that active service will be on foriegn soil. They sign up of their own free will knowing exactly what they are likely to be doing. It annoys me when I see Parents and wives of troops whinging that It's the fault of the Government when the truth is, their loved one signed up and knew what to expect. Families will beam with pride when their loved one is awarded a medal for blowing up the Taliban or the Iraqi's yet whinge all the way to No 10 should their loved one be the casualty.
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oscar;1273492 wrote: There... see what can be achieved when you try. :p
Anyway... getting back to topic... There is no reason for his Worthiness to placate anyone. We went into the war under a lie and hopefully the Chilcott enquirey will reveal the truth behind Blairs true reasons. However, I do feel it is unfair to blame Gordon nor any leader for the deaths in Iraq and Afghan. British troops are under no Illusion that they will never defend the country from Invasion with Nucleur weapons, so they are more than aware that active service will be on foriegn soil. They sign up of their own free will knowing exactly what they are likely to be doing. It annoys me when I see Parents and wives of troops whinging that It's the fault of the Government when the truth is, their loved one signed up and knew what to expect. Families will beam with pride when their loved one is awarded a medal for blowing up the Taliban or the Iraqi's yet whinge all the way to No 10 should their loved one be the casualty.
Absolute rubbish!
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were started by the Governments and are being continued by them. Every member of the Government who voted for war is responsible for the consequences of that war and that includes Gordon Brown.
The troops do as they are ordered - it's there fault for signing up but it is the Governments fault for starting the war, it is the Governments fault for continuing the war and the resulting deaths are the Governments fault.
Anyway... getting back to topic... There is no reason for his Worthiness to placate anyone. We went into the war under a lie and hopefully the Chilcott enquirey will reveal the truth behind Blairs true reasons. However, I do feel it is unfair to blame Gordon nor any leader for the deaths in Iraq and Afghan. British troops are under no Illusion that they will never defend the country from Invasion with Nucleur weapons, so they are more than aware that active service will be on foriegn soil. They sign up of their own free will knowing exactly what they are likely to be doing. It annoys me when I see Parents and wives of troops whinging that It's the fault of the Government when the truth is, their loved one signed up and knew what to expect. Families will beam with pride when their loved one is awarded a medal for blowing up the Taliban or the Iraqi's yet whinge all the way to No 10 should their loved one be the casualty.
Absolute rubbish!
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were started by the Governments and are being continued by them. Every member of the Government who voted for war is responsible for the consequences of that war and that includes Gordon Brown.
The troops do as they are ordered - it's there fault for signing up but it is the Governments fault for starting the war, it is the Governments fault for continuing the war and the resulting deaths are the Governments fault.
PM Gordon Brown smooths British-Afghan relations
oscar;1273492 wrote: There... see what can be achieved when you try. :p
Anyway... getting back to topic... There is no reason for his Worthiness to placate anyone. We went into the war under a lie and hopefully the Chilcott enquirey will reveal the truth behind Blairs true reasons. However, I do feel it is unfair to blame Gordon nor any leader for the deaths in Iraq and Afghan. British troops are under no Illusion that they will never defend the country from Invasion with Nucleur weapons, so they are more than aware that active service will be on foriegn soil. They sign up of their own free will knowing exactly what they are likely to be doing. It annoys me when I see Parents and wives of troops whinging that It's the fault of the Government when the truth is, their loved one signed up and knew what to expect. Families will beam with pride when their loved one is awarded a medal for blowing up the Taliban or the Iraqi's yet whinge all the way to No 10 should their loved one be the casualty.
I take it you keep away from the british legion now and will not be attending the cenotaph on remembrance day. In 1914 many rushed to war in the name of blind patriotism I suppose they were all idiots as well. In 1939 many volunteered I suppose they were idiots-come to that I knew a scot who had joined the international brigade to fight the fascists and later served with the eigth army-I suppose he was an idiot as well.
True the troops are under no illusion when they join up-(or if they were as far as I can make out those training them don't **** about in making sure they understand what they are getting in to ) and their reasons are as many and varied as the soldiers themselves but turning your back on a parent who has lost a son for whatever reason is fairly low even for you. It's not the troops that are at fault it's the government. If you don't agree with that and you seriously think gordon brown is a wonderful prime minister you're a without doubt a complete idiot. .
Gordon Brown was in the cabinet right through all of this-did he speak out? No he didn't. He is now prime minister he can pull the troops out but has he? No he hasn't. At least now he has finally accepted that maybe they need helicopters and better armour and he's prepared to sacrifice as many raf jobs as it will take to see they get it.
He's a moron with the moral sense, backbone and integrity of a mollusc.
Anyway... getting back to topic... There is no reason for his Worthiness to placate anyone. We went into the war under a lie and hopefully the Chilcott enquirey will reveal the truth behind Blairs true reasons. However, I do feel it is unfair to blame Gordon nor any leader for the deaths in Iraq and Afghan. British troops are under no Illusion that they will never defend the country from Invasion with Nucleur weapons, so they are more than aware that active service will be on foriegn soil. They sign up of their own free will knowing exactly what they are likely to be doing. It annoys me when I see Parents and wives of troops whinging that It's the fault of the Government when the truth is, their loved one signed up and knew what to expect. Families will beam with pride when their loved one is awarded a medal for blowing up the Taliban or the Iraqi's yet whinge all the way to No 10 should their loved one be the casualty.
I take it you keep away from the british legion now and will not be attending the cenotaph on remembrance day. In 1914 many rushed to war in the name of blind patriotism I suppose they were all idiots as well. In 1939 many volunteered I suppose they were idiots-come to that I knew a scot who had joined the international brigade to fight the fascists and later served with the eigth army-I suppose he was an idiot as well.
True the troops are under no illusion when they join up-(or if they were as far as I can make out those training them don't **** about in making sure they understand what they are getting in to ) and their reasons are as many and varied as the soldiers themselves but turning your back on a parent who has lost a son for whatever reason is fairly low even for you. It's not the troops that are at fault it's the government. If you don't agree with that and you seriously think gordon brown is a wonderful prime minister you're a without doubt a complete idiot. .
Gordon Brown was in the cabinet right through all of this-did he speak out? No he didn't. He is now prime minister he can pull the troops out but has he? No he hasn't. At least now he has finally accepted that maybe they need helicopters and better armour and he's prepared to sacrifice as many raf jobs as it will take to see they get it.
He's a moron with the moral sense, backbone and integrity of a mollusc.
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gmc;1273627 wrote: I take it you keep away from the british legion now and will not be attending the cenotaph on remembrance day. In 1914 many rushed to war in the name of blind patriotism I suppose they were all idiots as well. In 1939 many volunteered I suppose they were idiots-come to that I knew a scot who had joined the international brigade to fight the fascists and later served with the eigth army-I suppose he was an idiot as well.
True the troops are under no illusion when they join up-(or if they were as far as I can make out those training them don't **** about in making sure they understand what they are getting in to ) and their reasons are as many and varied as the soldiers themselves but turning your back on a parent who has lost a son for whatever reason is fairly low even for you. It's not the troops that are at fault it's the government. If you don't agree with that and you seriously think gordon brown is a wonderful prime minister you're a without doubt a complete idiot. .
Gordon Brown was in the cabinet right through all of this-did he speak out? No he didn't. He is now prime minister he can pull the troops out but has he? No he hasn't. At least now he has finally accepted that maybe they need helicopters and better armour and he's prepared to sacrifice as many raf jobs as it will take to see they get it.
He's a moron with the moral sense, backbone and integrity of a mollusc. Stop being a Rodney.
I am not denying the parent of any troop killed in Iraq or Afghan anything. How you can equate that with the two World wars is Rodneyish in the extreme. The majority of troops in WW's were conscripts and were defending their country. The troops in the ME joined of theire own free will and If so against the Invasion of iraq or Afghan, could have bought their ticket out of the forces... they chose not to. Weather the Government was right or wrong to Invade, our troops went there on there on free will knowing the dangers, something our troops in both world ward did not. No-one is taking away any heroism shown on their part but family blaming Politicians when they chose to fight on foriegn soil is degrading.
True the troops are under no illusion when they join up-(or if they were as far as I can make out those training them don't **** about in making sure they understand what they are getting in to ) and their reasons are as many and varied as the soldiers themselves but turning your back on a parent who has lost a son for whatever reason is fairly low even for you. It's not the troops that are at fault it's the government. If you don't agree with that and you seriously think gordon brown is a wonderful prime minister you're a without doubt a complete idiot. .
Gordon Brown was in the cabinet right through all of this-did he speak out? No he didn't. He is now prime minister he can pull the troops out but has he? No he hasn't. At least now he has finally accepted that maybe they need helicopters and better armour and he's prepared to sacrifice as many raf jobs as it will take to see they get it.
He's a moron with the moral sense, backbone and integrity of a mollusc. Stop being a Rodney.
I am not denying the parent of any troop killed in Iraq or Afghan anything. How you can equate that with the two World wars is Rodneyish in the extreme. The majority of troops in WW's were conscripts and were defending their country. The troops in the ME joined of theire own free will and If so against the Invasion of iraq or Afghan, could have bought their ticket out of the forces... they chose not to. Weather the Government was right or wrong to Invade, our troops went there on there on free will knowing the dangers, something our troops in both world ward did not. No-one is taking away any heroism shown on their part but family blaming Politicians when they chose to fight on foriegn soil is degrading.
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PM Gordon Brown smooths British-Afghan relations
oscar;1273781 wrote: Stop being a Rodney.
I am not denying the parent of any troop killed in Iraq or Afghan anything. How you can equate that with the two World wars is Rodneyish in the extreme. The majority of troops in WW's were conscripts and were defending their country. The troops in the ME joined of theire own free will and If so against the Invasion of iraq or Afghan, could have bought their ticket out of the forces... they chose not to. Weather the Government was right or wrong to Invade, our troops went there on there on free will knowing the dangers, something our troops in both world ward did not. No-one is taking away any heroism shown on their part but family blaming Politicians when they chose to fight on foriegn soil is degrading.
That kind of attitude is what let' politicians get away with it. Yes they have a choice but many also have a sense of duty that takes precedence and which politicians cynically manipulate to their advantage. Do you really think all those old pals battalions going over the top time after time didn't know it was a stupid idea or those that came later didn't know their likely fate? Bomber aircrew knew the odds of their surviving were pretty slim and they also knew they were destroying cities and deliberately killing civilians I suppose you think they are merely baby killers and have little sympathy for those who died. Soldiers now are the same as they have always been. It's the same with soldiers the world over why do they are fight? The actual issues that brought them there come down to a small circle of close friends. By blaming the troops you deflect dealing with the real issue.
Yes you can blame the politicians. We elect them to lead and they have royally ****ed up. We elected these bastards and let them stay in power, I reckon we are as much to blame as the lying thieving toe rags we elect to office. If they had any integrity they would resign from public office and waive their rights to pensions etc-most of them are just clinging to their seats for that reason.
Gordon brown is a hypocritical moron of the first order. Anyone who thinks he is doing a great job is an idiot. I challenged you once before to come up with a worse chancellor and you couldn't think of any. I would challenge you to come up with a more catastrophic prime minister but tony blair and maggie thatcher can more than hold their own.
You will do well in the BNP and in politics . You have all the perspicacity and wisdom of the half baked pseudo intellectual that seems to be required :sneaky::D
I am not denying the parent of any troop killed in Iraq or Afghan anything. How you can equate that with the two World wars is Rodneyish in the extreme. The majority of troops in WW's were conscripts and were defending their country. The troops in the ME joined of theire own free will and If so against the Invasion of iraq or Afghan, could have bought their ticket out of the forces... they chose not to. Weather the Government was right or wrong to Invade, our troops went there on there on free will knowing the dangers, something our troops in both world ward did not. No-one is taking away any heroism shown on their part but family blaming Politicians when they chose to fight on foriegn soil is degrading.
That kind of attitude is what let' politicians get away with it. Yes they have a choice but many also have a sense of duty that takes precedence and which politicians cynically manipulate to their advantage. Do you really think all those old pals battalions going over the top time after time didn't know it was a stupid idea or those that came later didn't know their likely fate? Bomber aircrew knew the odds of their surviving were pretty slim and they also knew they were destroying cities and deliberately killing civilians I suppose you think they are merely baby killers and have little sympathy for those who died. Soldiers now are the same as they have always been. It's the same with soldiers the world over why do they are fight? The actual issues that brought them there come down to a small circle of close friends. By blaming the troops you deflect dealing with the real issue.
Yes you can blame the politicians. We elect them to lead and they have royally ****ed up. We elected these bastards and let them stay in power, I reckon we are as much to blame as the lying thieving toe rags we elect to office. If they had any integrity they would resign from public office and waive their rights to pensions etc-most of them are just clinging to their seats for that reason.
Gordon brown is a hypocritical moron of the first order. Anyone who thinks he is doing a great job is an idiot. I challenged you once before to come up with a worse chancellor and you couldn't think of any. I would challenge you to come up with a more catastrophic prime minister but tony blair and maggie thatcher can more than hold their own.
You will do well in the BNP and in politics . You have all the perspicacity and wisdom of the half baked pseudo intellectual that seems to be required :sneaky::D
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gmc;1273880 wrote: That kind of attitude is what let' politicians get away with it. Yes they have a choice but many also have a sense of duty that takes precedence and which politicians cynically manipulate to their advantage. Do you really think all those old pals battalions going over the top time after time didn't know it was a stupid idea or those that came later didn't know their likely fate? Bomber aircrew knew the odds of their surviving were pretty slim and they also knew they were destroying cities and deliberately killing civilians I suppose you think they are merely baby killers and have little sympathy for those who died. Soldiers now are the same as they have always been. It's the same with soldiers the world over why do they are fight? The actual issues that brought them there come down to a small circle of close friends. By blaming the troops you deflect dealing with the real issue.
Yes you can blame the politicians. We elect them to lead and they have royally ****ed up. We elected these bastards and let them stay in power, I reckon we are as much to blame as the lying thieving toe rags we elect to office. If they had any integrity they would resign from public office and waive their rights to pensions etc-most of them are just clinging to their seats for that reason.
Gordon brown is a hypocritical moron of the first order. Anyone who thinks he is doing a great job is an idiot. I challenged you once before to come up with a worse chancellor and you couldn't think of any. I would challenge you to come up with a more catastrophic prime minister but tony blair and maggie thatcher can more than hold their own.
You will do well in the BNP and in politics . You have all the perspicacity and wisdom of the half baked pseudo intellectual that seems to be required :sneaky::D First paragrah.... Your Rodney ways are excelling themselves. Of course the troops who went over the top and the bomber pilots knew exactly what was at stake however, the big difference being, they had to disable the Nazi machine to avoid the shores of Blighty being Invaded. Very different to signing up now knowing full well that Invasion of our home-land is practically Impossible with nucleur deterrents. Troops of today sign up knowing that and knowing full well they will at every possiblity, Invade hostile foriegn soil. They have as much chance of being killed in peace-keeping missions around the globe.
Their duty is to their country once signed up and like It or not, the Politicians do make the choices as to where they go and for what reason. We are no different to any other country in that respect.
If you recall my little Sporran, when you asked me to come up with a worse Chancellor, I did and you asked me to explain why I chose him. Why don't you start a new thread on Britains worse Chancellor.
Oh and just Incase you have forgotton my version of a Rodney.
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Get used to GB as PM... The Tories are only 10% ahead in the latest polls and that is not a wide enough majority for a win. Looks Like Gordy will stay :yh_rotfl
Yes you can blame the politicians. We elect them to lead and they have royally ****ed up. We elected these bastards and let them stay in power, I reckon we are as much to blame as the lying thieving toe rags we elect to office. If they had any integrity they would resign from public office and waive their rights to pensions etc-most of them are just clinging to their seats for that reason.
Gordon brown is a hypocritical moron of the first order. Anyone who thinks he is doing a great job is an idiot. I challenged you once before to come up with a worse chancellor and you couldn't think of any. I would challenge you to come up with a more catastrophic prime minister but tony blair and maggie thatcher can more than hold their own.
You will do well in the BNP and in politics . You have all the perspicacity and wisdom of the half baked pseudo intellectual that seems to be required :sneaky::D First paragrah.... Your Rodney ways are excelling themselves. Of course the troops who went over the top and the bomber pilots knew exactly what was at stake however, the big difference being, they had to disable the Nazi machine to avoid the shores of Blighty being Invaded. Very different to signing up now knowing full well that Invasion of our home-land is practically Impossible with nucleur deterrents. Troops of today sign up knowing that and knowing full well they will at every possiblity, Invade hostile foriegn soil. They have as much chance of being killed in peace-keeping missions around the globe.
Their duty is to their country once signed up and like It or not, the Politicians do make the choices as to where they go and for what reason. We are no different to any other country in that respect.
If you recall my little Sporran, when you asked me to come up with a worse Chancellor, I did and you asked me to explain why I chose him. Why don't you start a new thread on Britains worse Chancellor.
Oh and just Incase you have forgotton my version of a Rodney.
YouTube - The Stranglers - Duchess
Get used to GB as PM... The Tories are only 10% ahead in the latest polls and that is not a wide enough majority for a win. Looks Like Gordy will stay :yh_rotfl
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon