So is there a "LIFE AFTER"? Will you eventually go to where your loved ones that are already gone are waiting, & will they look the same, & or will they recognize you? Or will there just be their souls in a place/cloud, & then how would you recognize them & they you? Scary thoughts!
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK, IS THERE A LIFE AFTER, & IF SO, HOW WILL IT BE? :-3
So is there a LIFE AFTER?
So is there a LIFE AFTER?
I'm surprized no one has answered your question. Yes I believe in an after life. I believe there is a heaven. About meeting up with your lost family I'm still unsure about that. That could be just a fiction of our imaginations. I do feel that the souls will be sorted to the age they lived. No, I don't think I will rub elbows with Abraham Lincoln or Albert Estein. I think it will be very organized.
Once along time ago I had a very vived dream about some people I hardly knew.
This man that was a distant cousin of my husband passed away. We went to the funeral and that was that. That very night I had a dream that the deceased cousin was standing all alone in a haze. Pretty soon a older couple came and put their arms around him and they walked off into the haze. I told my husband about the dream and described the couple. I had never seen them before. He said I described that mans parents to a T. After that when I hear someone say they almost died and saw a light at the end of a long tunnel like hall I believe them as I feel I was there from a distance in my dream. If you say yeah right, I understand as everyone believes differently. My daughter-in-law is Catholic and believes a lot differently than I do.
Once along time ago I had a very vived dream about some people I hardly knew.
This man that was a distant cousin of my husband passed away. We went to the funeral and that was that. That very night I had a dream that the deceased cousin was standing all alone in a haze. Pretty soon a older couple came and put their arms around him and they walked off into the haze. I told my husband about the dream and described the couple. I had never seen them before. He said I described that mans parents to a T. After that when I hear someone say they almost died and saw a light at the end of a long tunnel like hall I believe them as I feel I was there from a distance in my dream. If you say yeah right, I understand as everyone believes differently. My daughter-in-law is Catholic and believes a lot differently than I do.
So is there a LIFE AFTER?
flopstock wrote: personally i wish that folks would be a tad more concerned with present life then they are afterlife.
Good point. If yoiu make a good life here and now, you are bound to have a good or better one later
Good point. If yoiu make a good life here and now, you are bound to have a good or better one later
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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(Jives holds up his hand meekly)
Ummm...I've been dead before. It didn't hurt at all! As a matter of fact, it felt great!
Here's my story...every word is true as God is my witness.
For a year, I was getting sicker. The doctors couldn't figure it out. I felt like I was filed with wet cement, I was getting stiffer and stiffer, and the pain was incredible. (They tell me now that it compares to childbirth) By the time the year was up, I literally couldn't walk. I had to use a cane and I could barely shuffle, and if I sat down, I couldn't get up. I was even beginning to have trouble focusing my eyes. Since I couldn't eat due to the pain, I had lost over 70 lbs. and looked like a Holocaust survivor. My friends told me I looked like a living skeleton.
One night, about midnight, I woke with a terrible feeling. I was sick! Something was desperately wrong with me! Not just the pain I had been feeling, but something much, much worse! I tried to call out to my wife, but my voice wouldn't work. I fell out of the bed and managed to crawly upwards to a standing position using the dresser handles. As I stood there holding on to the dresser, suddenly....I was outside my body!
I was standing behind myself. I could see the back of my own head. And that's weird, because usually you don't get to see that angle. I was looking at the curls that I have back there and my first thought was, "Geez, I need a haircut."
Then, my body lost its hold on the dresser, fingernails scratching the top as the body collapsed heavily to the floor in a heap. It didn't even try to catch itself. I stood there shocked thinking, "Wow, that looked like it hurt!"
Then I realized it...I was outside my body. The recognition was instant and hit me like a wave. Suddenly, I was afraid to move. I felt like I might pop myself like a soap bubble. I turned my "head" slowly to the left...the room was quiet. My wife was still in the bed, sleeping softly. A feeling washed over me. It was a feeling of calm and peace. I was so relieved, the pain of my body was completely gone, I thought, "Oh, that feels so much better!" (I hadn't truly realized just how much pain I had been in until it was lifted.)
Then I saw them....
They looked a lot like candle flames, larger at the bottom and tapering to a smaller and rounded top, but not flickering at all, just softly glowing a warm, white light. They were a little bigger than a football and were hovering all around the room at various heights.
I kept scanning and noticed that they were also out on the lawn, and in the street. Through the trees, I could see that they were even on the next block. There were thousands of them! That's when I suddenly realized I was looking right through the wall! Now, you have to understand, this was not some hazy, out of focus vision. Everything was crystal clear. The details of the room were crisp, even more than normal, my sight seemed to have improved.
I realized that these were people, and that they were my people. I wonder, "Why do I have so many people?" The answer came to me as a thought, "down the generations" I got it right away, a family goes back in time thousands of years, these were all my people from all time.
For what seemed like an eternity, I stood there, feeling the cool night air and drinking in the sensation of being free of the pain. I don't remember breathing, though. I wasn't hungry, thirsty, or anything else in fact. Funny thing that.
The little candles flames did nothing however. They seemed to be waiting for something.
But i still felt the love coming from them.
I looked to my left slowly, to see my body huddled on the floor motionless. The next second there was a flash of light and BAM! I was back in my body. I was a little disoriented and it took a second for me to realized where I was, the angle was strange as i could see under the bed and the room was very dark again. I realized I was back in my body. My first thought was, "Damn! That DID hurt!" My body was aching in a hundred places from the fall and the pain had returned.
My wife heard my moans and woke up. I told her to take me to the hospital and with great effort we managed to drag my body to the car and drive to the hospital.
The doctors told me that I had had a "coronary incident" and that my heart had stopped beating for as much as two minutes. (I didn't suffer any brain damage, thought, since I'm an avid swimmer, and can hold my breath easily for that amount of time.) Since I had technically "died", they decided there might actually be something wrong with me.
They ran 300 blood tests, every one in the book. When they came back the answer was as clear as a bell...RA. Rheumatoid Arthritus, the worst kind. It's not just an inflammation of the joints, it's the exact opposite of AIDS and in the old days, every bit as lethal. My own white blood cells could no longer tell the difference between bad bacteria and my own tissues. They were literally eating me alive.
Once they got to the internal organs, I suffered the heart attack. it was no problem after that, a dose of steroids, an auto-immune suppressor and I was literally dancing a jig (on atrophied muscles) by the end of the day.
I'm back to normal now, a strapping, barrel-chested 240 lbs. i can swim, run a short distance, and I'm even hoping to ski again next year. But I'm changed in a big way. I really never took life for granted, I always knew that every day was precious, but now it's not an abstract concept to me. i smell the flowers. I ride my bike, I make sure to kiss my girl and tell her I love her every day. I made a tire swing for my grand-children and I swing in it myself every chance I get.
I was certainly never afraid of death, but it's different now. I find it of infinite comfort[U/] to know that you don't cease to exist when your body dies. I had faith before, but it's infinitely stronger now. God was very kind to me for some reason.
I guess I still have something to do here!
Ummm...I've been dead before. It didn't hurt at all! As a matter of fact, it felt great!
Here's my story...every word is true as God is my witness.
For a year, I was getting sicker. The doctors couldn't figure it out. I felt like I was filed with wet cement, I was getting stiffer and stiffer, and the pain was incredible. (They tell me now that it compares to childbirth) By the time the year was up, I literally couldn't walk. I had to use a cane and I could barely shuffle, and if I sat down, I couldn't get up. I was even beginning to have trouble focusing my eyes. Since I couldn't eat due to the pain, I had lost over 70 lbs. and looked like a Holocaust survivor. My friends told me I looked like a living skeleton.
One night, about midnight, I woke with a terrible feeling. I was sick! Something was desperately wrong with me! Not just the pain I had been feeling, but something much, much worse! I tried to call out to my wife, but my voice wouldn't work. I fell out of the bed and managed to crawly upwards to a standing position using the dresser handles. As I stood there holding on to the dresser, suddenly....I was outside my body!
I was standing behind myself. I could see the back of my own head. And that's weird, because usually you don't get to see that angle. I was looking at the curls that I have back there and my first thought was, "Geez, I need a haircut."
Then, my body lost its hold on the dresser, fingernails scratching the top as the body collapsed heavily to the floor in a heap. It didn't even try to catch itself. I stood there shocked thinking, "Wow, that looked like it hurt!"
Then I realized it...I was outside my body. The recognition was instant and hit me like a wave. Suddenly, I was afraid to move. I felt like I might pop myself like a soap bubble. I turned my "head" slowly to the left...the room was quiet. My wife was still in the bed, sleeping softly. A feeling washed over me. It was a feeling of calm and peace. I was so relieved, the pain of my body was completely gone, I thought, "Oh, that feels so much better!" (I hadn't truly realized just how much pain I had been in until it was lifted.)
Then I saw them....
They looked a lot like candle flames, larger at the bottom and tapering to a smaller and rounded top, but not flickering at all, just softly glowing a warm, white light. They were a little bigger than a football and were hovering all around the room at various heights.
I kept scanning and noticed that they were also out on the lawn, and in the street. Through the trees, I could see that they were even on the next block. There were thousands of them! That's when I suddenly realized I was looking right through the wall! Now, you have to understand, this was not some hazy, out of focus vision. Everything was crystal clear. The details of the room were crisp, even more than normal, my sight seemed to have improved.
I realized that these were people, and that they were my people. I wonder, "Why do I have so many people?" The answer came to me as a thought, "down the generations" I got it right away, a family goes back in time thousands of years, these were all my people from all time.
For what seemed like an eternity, I stood there, feeling the cool night air and drinking in the sensation of being free of the pain. I don't remember breathing, though. I wasn't hungry, thirsty, or anything else in fact. Funny thing that.
The little candles flames did nothing however. They seemed to be waiting for something.
But i still felt the love coming from them.
I looked to my left slowly, to see my body huddled on the floor motionless. The next second there was a flash of light and BAM! I was back in my body. I was a little disoriented and it took a second for me to realized where I was, the angle was strange as i could see under the bed and the room was very dark again. I realized I was back in my body. My first thought was, "Damn! That DID hurt!" My body was aching in a hundred places from the fall and the pain had returned.
My wife heard my moans and woke up. I told her to take me to the hospital and with great effort we managed to drag my body to the car and drive to the hospital.
The doctors told me that I had had a "coronary incident" and that my heart had stopped beating for as much as two minutes. (I didn't suffer any brain damage, thought, since I'm an avid swimmer, and can hold my breath easily for that amount of time.) Since I had technically "died", they decided there might actually be something wrong with me.
They ran 300 blood tests, every one in the book. When they came back the answer was as clear as a bell...RA. Rheumatoid Arthritus, the worst kind. It's not just an inflammation of the joints, it's the exact opposite of AIDS and in the old days, every bit as lethal. My own white blood cells could no longer tell the difference between bad bacteria and my own tissues. They were literally eating me alive.
Once they got to the internal organs, I suffered the heart attack. it was no problem after that, a dose of steroids, an auto-immune suppressor and I was literally dancing a jig (on atrophied muscles) by the end of the day.
I'm back to normal now, a strapping, barrel-chested 240 lbs. i can swim, run a short distance, and I'm even hoping to ski again next year. But I'm changed in a big way. I really never took life for granted, I always knew that every day was precious, but now it's not an abstract concept to me. i smell the flowers. I ride my bike, I make sure to kiss my girl and tell her I love her every day. I made a tire swing for my grand-children and I swing in it myself every chance I get.
I was certainly never afraid of death, but it's different now. I find it of infinite comfort[U/] to know that you don't cease to exist when your body dies. I had faith before, but it's infinitely stronger now. God was very kind to me for some reason.
I guess I still have something to do here!
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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So is there a LIFE AFTER?
What an experience Jives! You were given a glimpse, and a second chance to come back.
I believe there is an afterlife, I believe in the Bible. I believe I will see my loved ones who have gone before me, and that one day I will join them. I will know them, they will know me, and we'll have a good time together in heaven for eternity. Nice pretty little mansion awaits me-dust free and no more dishes to wash!
I believe there is an afterlife, I believe in the Bible. I believe I will see my loved ones who have gone before me, and that one day I will join them. I will know them, they will know me, and we'll have a good time together in heaven for eternity. Nice pretty little mansion awaits me-dust free and no more dishes to wash!
So is there a LIFE AFTER?
A buddhist point of view..
Life is eternal....we live many lifetimes, repeating the cycle of birth and death. Like going to sleep at night, we refresh our bodies and wake up anew.
When we die, our life functions may stop, but the essence of our lives - our eternal identity - continues in a form that cannot be seen. Death then becomes the potential for life. Death is like a rosebush in winter which contains the potential for flowers(life) within and when the correct external circumstance are present, the roses will bloom (birth). There is this law of cause and effect...karma...we live our lives (making causes) , the effects reside within us and when we die these effects dictate the circumstances of our birth in the next life. The best causes get the best effects.
Life is eternal....we live many lifetimes, repeating the cycle of birth and death. Like going to sleep at night, we refresh our bodies and wake up anew.
When we die, our life functions may stop, but the essence of our lives - our eternal identity - continues in a form that cannot be seen. Death then becomes the potential for life. Death is like a rosebush in winter which contains the potential for flowers(life) within and when the correct external circumstance are present, the roses will bloom (birth). There is this law of cause and effect...karma...we live our lives (making causes) , the effects reside within us and when we die these effects dictate the circumstances of our birth in the next life. The best causes get the best effects.
A smile is a window on your face to show your heart is home
So is there a LIFE AFTER?
Belief being the operative word.
No one knows, you can have your faith and faith can be a very powerful thing, but no one knows.
No one knows, you can have your faith and faith can be a very powerful thing, but no one knows.
I AM AWESOME MAN
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OK...did you read my previous post, Nomad? I know for a fact that there is life after death. Sure I didn't get to explore it as much as I wanted, but yeah...it's there.
I know!:D
I know!:D
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Interesting Jives, its seems you got to look into the After Life! Something like that would change anyone's life if given a second chance, I know it would for me.
Anyway, I hope to make it to at least a "healthy" 100, & let my departed relatives keep on waiting for me!!!
Anyway, I hope to make it to at least a "healthy" 100, & let my departed relatives keep on waiting for me!!!
Cars 
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Jives wrote: OK...did you read my previous post, Nomad? I know for a fact that there is life after death. Sure I didn't get to explore it as much as I wanted, but yeah...it's there.
I know!:D
No I hadnt read it but I have now. I lay awake one night listening to a similar story on the radio one night, this woman had been clinically dead for some hrs as they had removed her blood and froze her body in a rare operation.
The splendid detail in which she described her experience was absolutely mesmerizing. I envy you your own experience yet somehow I think I can wait Im enjoying myself too much here now.
I am in no way opposed to the idea of afterlife and have formed my own beliefs that I can live with, but still I have no proof.
There are those that would suggest your endorphins supplied you with an out of body experience but if your convinced, if you know then you know.
I know!:D
No I hadnt read it but I have now. I lay awake one night listening to a similar story on the radio one night, this woman had been clinically dead for some hrs as they had removed her blood and froze her body in a rare operation.
The splendid detail in which she described her experience was absolutely mesmerizing. I envy you your own experience yet somehow I think I can wait Im enjoying myself too much here now.
I am in no way opposed to the idea of afterlife and have formed my own beliefs that I can live with, but still I have no proof.
There are those that would suggest your endorphins supplied you with an out of body experience but if your convinced, if you know then you know.
I AM AWESOME MAN
So is there a LIFE AFTER?
flopstock wrote: personally i wish that folks would be a tad more concerned with present life then they are afterlife. Good point. I've always been careful to teach about God in terms of living for Him today. People who have faith just so the won't go to hell (fire insurance) have missed the whole point as far as I'm concerned.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
So is there a LIFE AFTER?
Clint wrote: Good point. I've always been careful to teach about God in terms of living for Him today. People who have faith just so the won't go to hell (fire insurance) have missed the whole point as far as I'm concerned.
Some believe that even if they are having a nasty present life, that they will hopefully get to have a better After Life! So what's wrong with fire Insurance, not everybody lives their lives like a saint. And if they don't, but they somehow still feel "compelled" to follow Gods major comandments, cause they don't really want to take a chance to go to hell, (if there is a hell) should they then still be sentenced to eternal Hell? Eternity can turn out to be a long long time!!!
Is there only one correct "Faith" to be assured to enter heaven?
Some believe that even if they are having a nasty present life, that they will hopefully get to have a better After Life! So what's wrong with fire Insurance, not everybody lives their lives like a saint. And if they don't, but they somehow still feel "compelled" to follow Gods major comandments, cause they don't really want to take a chance to go to hell, (if there is a hell) should they then still be sentenced to eternal Hell? Eternity can turn out to be a long long time!!!
Is there only one correct "Faith" to be assured to enter heaven?
Cars
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flopstock wrote: hah!
Are you thinking god wouldn't be able to tell what's really in your heart and you'd slide by on a technicality?:wah:
I grew up catholic, and was taught that babies had to be baptized or their souls would sit in LIMBO if they died ..you had to have your last rites and then you are sin free and can get into heaven. No matter what you had done during your life...
Seems to me that god would be the last one to be bound by manmade rituals and rules. Kinda like the 'No meat on Friday' rule....please, like god doesn't have more important things for us to pay attention on!
I'm not sure of your meaning, so are you saying one has to be Catholic to get into heaven? I to grew up in a Catholic family also, but as I grew older I realized that there were many other people out there in the world that were not Catholic. They were Jewish, Prodesent?, Methodist, Hindu, Baptist, Muslum, & many others, but they all still believe in an Almighty being. So do they get to go to heaven after they die? (if there is one) :-2
The Bible (which there are a number of versions) is what is supposed to guide people in their lives. But that good book has many, many "gray" areas/meanings, leaving it open to "mans" interpretation. Causing various religious groups, each following their version/intrepretations of the Bible. So is any which one more right than the others? I now believe that all decient God fearing people, no matter what their religion will go to Heaven. (If there is one) We must not be naive enough to think that only the Catholics will be the only ones there!!!! :rolleyes:
Are you thinking god wouldn't be able to tell what's really in your heart and you'd slide by on a technicality?:wah:
I grew up catholic, and was taught that babies had to be baptized or their souls would sit in LIMBO if they died ..you had to have your last rites and then you are sin free and can get into heaven. No matter what you had done during your life...
Seems to me that god would be the last one to be bound by manmade rituals and rules. Kinda like the 'No meat on Friday' rule....please, like god doesn't have more important things for us to pay attention on!
I'm not sure of your meaning, so are you saying one has to be Catholic to get into heaven? I to grew up in a Catholic family also, but as I grew older I realized that there were many other people out there in the world that were not Catholic. They were Jewish, Prodesent?, Methodist, Hindu, Baptist, Muslum, & many others, but they all still believe in an Almighty being. So do they get to go to heaven after they die? (if there is one) :-2
The Bible (which there are a number of versions) is what is supposed to guide people in their lives. But that good book has many, many "gray" areas/meanings, leaving it open to "mans" interpretation. Causing various religious groups, each following their version/intrepretations of the Bible. So is any which one more right than the others? I now believe that all decient God fearing people, no matter what their religion will go to Heaven. (If there is one) We must not be naive enough to think that only the Catholics will be the only ones there!!!! :rolleyes:
Cars
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flopstock wrote: Heck no, I'm not saying that! lol
took my son to get baptized after his father and i had gotten married in a civil ceremony, the priest didn't want to start planning that until we'd planned a wedding in the church...I said bye bye..if you aren't concerned more for the soul of the innocent baby then you are the marriage fee..bite me..never looked back..:wah:
Personally, I think the folks that may get to a heaven are the ones who live their lives with compassion, humanity and act according to what is the right way to act. Not because they fear retribution, but because it is right. I think that a loving god would prefer folks to live as 'best' that they can with one another, rather then waste precious spiritual assets on worshipping a god. That just seems kinda selfish to me- which sounds more manlike then godlike, ya know?;)
Your're Right on target! Treat others as you would have them theat you, and there should be no problem getting through the pearly gates!!!
(I hope :rolleyes: )
I got married in a civil ceremony also, & was taught by the priests that because of that I could no longer receive Holy Communion. I feel like you have said, if I live my life with compassion, humanity, and treat others the way I want to be treated & do the right thing I'm doing OK. When I attend a friends wedding in a Church & communion time comes around, I confess my supposed sins to God, not to a priest/man, and then receive the communion, & I feel OK with that!
Works for me.
took my son to get baptized after his father and i had gotten married in a civil ceremony, the priest didn't want to start planning that until we'd planned a wedding in the church...I said bye bye..if you aren't concerned more for the soul of the innocent baby then you are the marriage fee..bite me..never looked back..:wah:
Personally, I think the folks that may get to a heaven are the ones who live their lives with compassion, humanity and act according to what is the right way to act. Not because they fear retribution, but because it is right. I think that a loving god would prefer folks to live as 'best' that they can with one another, rather then waste precious spiritual assets on worshipping a god. That just seems kinda selfish to me- which sounds more manlike then godlike, ya know?;)
Your're Right on target! Treat others as you would have them theat you, and there should be no problem getting through the pearly gates!!!
(I hope :rolleyes: )
I got married in a civil ceremony also, & was taught by the priests that because of that I could no longer receive Holy Communion. I feel like you have said, if I live my life with compassion, humanity, and treat others the way I want to be treated & do the right thing I'm doing OK. When I attend a friends wedding in a Church & communion time comes around, I confess my supposed sins to God, not to a priest/man, and then receive the communion, & I feel OK with that!
Works for me.
Cars
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cars wrote: Some believe that even if they are having a nasty present life, that they will hopefully get to have a better After Life! So what's wrong with fire Insurance, not everybody lives their lives like a saint. And if they don't, but they somehow still feel "compelled" to follow Gods major comandments, cause they don't really want to take a chance to go to hell, (if there is a hell) should they then still be sentenced to eternal Hell? Eternity can turn out to be a long long time!!!
Is there only one correct "Faith" to be assured to enter heaven?
Fire insurance isn’t what it's all about. Eternal life in the presence of God is at the end of the journey. We must first complete the journey. It has been my belief that if someone who is struggling with the journey is given proper travel instructions and directions they will enjoy the journey and one day reach their destination. If we ignore the journey and the directions, we will never arrive at our destination.
It is up to God to decide who is ultimately given a room at the journey’s end. I’m only positive that we will never make it to the front gate of His house if we don’t follow the directions He gives us. I can only speak to the instructions He has placed in my hands. In my case He has called me to Jesus Christ and the way He provides.
I am baffled by those who are presented with the way and refuse it in favor of looking for a different way, because they don’t like the way other people have been interpreting the instructions.
Is there only one correct "Faith" to be assured to enter heaven?
Fire insurance isn’t what it's all about. Eternal life in the presence of God is at the end of the journey. We must first complete the journey. It has been my belief that if someone who is struggling with the journey is given proper travel instructions and directions they will enjoy the journey and one day reach their destination. If we ignore the journey and the directions, we will never arrive at our destination.
It is up to God to decide who is ultimately given a room at the journey’s end. I’m only positive that we will never make it to the front gate of His house if we don’t follow the directions He gives us. I can only speak to the instructions He has placed in my hands. In my case He has called me to Jesus Christ and the way He provides.
I am baffled by those who are presented with the way and refuse it in favor of looking for a different way, because they don’t like the way other people have been interpreting the instructions.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
So is there a LIFE AFTER?
Clint wrote: Fire insurance isn’t what it's all about. Eternal life in the presence of God is at the end of the journey. We must first complete the journey. It has been my belief that if someone who is struggling with the journey is given proper travel instructions and directions they will enjoy the journey and one day reach their destination. If we ignore the journey and the directions, we will never arrive at our destination.
It is up to God to decide who is ultimately given a room at the journey’s end. I’m only positive that we will never make it to the front gate of His house if we don’t follow the directions He gives us. I can only speak to the instructions He has placed in my hands. In my case He has called me to Jesus Christ and the way He provides.
I am baffled by those who are presented with the way and refuse it in favor of looking for a different way, because they don’t like the way other people have been interpreting the instructions.
I understand what you are saying about following the Lord's way. But you stated that your travel instructions are guided by Catholisisum, following the beliefs about Jesus Christ. However, what happens to the people who's beliefs make them follow the "travel directions" for Judisam, methodist, Buduist Hindu, Muslum, or whatever, because that's the family's religion that they grew up in. Are you saying that you believe they will not get to the front gate of God's house, because it's not Christ's way?
It is up to God to decide who is ultimately given a room at the journey’s end. I’m only positive that we will never make it to the front gate of His house if we don’t follow the directions He gives us. I can only speak to the instructions He has placed in my hands. In my case He has called me to Jesus Christ and the way He provides.
I am baffled by those who are presented with the way and refuse it in favor of looking for a different way, because they don’t like the way other people have been interpreting the instructions.
I understand what you are saying about following the Lord's way. But you stated that your travel instructions are guided by Catholisisum, following the beliefs about Jesus Christ. However, what happens to the people who's beliefs make them follow the "travel directions" for Judisam, methodist, Buduist Hindu, Muslum, or whatever, because that's the family's religion that they grew up in. Are you saying that you believe they will not get to the front gate of God's house, because it's not Christ's way?
Cars
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cars wrote: I understand what you are saying about following the Lord's way. But you stated that your travel instructions are guided by Catholisisum, following the beliefs about Jesus Christ. However, what happens to the people who's beliefs make them follow the "travel directions" for Judisam, methodist, Buduist Hindu, Muslum, or whatever, because that's the family's religion that they grew up in. Are you saying that you believe they will not get to the front gate of God house, because it's not Christ's way?
Actually, I practice what is today called “Messianic Judaismâ€. I believe that Jesus came to complete Judaism rather than to replace it as Catholicism teaches. Jesus was a Jew and the Apostles were Jews who continued observing Judaism until they died.
I’m saying that I’m not going to judge those who are born into another religion. I can’t honestly say I know what will happen to them. God has presented me with Yeshua Ha’ Mashiach (Jesus the Messiah) and it is Him that I must respond to. When I accept Him I also accept what He teaches. He (Jesus) is God and is from the beginning with God. Therefore, I must accept the entirety of the Scriptures that He gives us and has taught us from. If I accept His teaching, and I do, then I must do my part to make His way available to all. He says He is the way and that those who come to the Father do so through Him.
My concern is for those who have Jesus offered to them daily but choose to seek out someone or something else. I simply don’t know about those who are born into Buddhism, are brought up in it and only see Buddhism in their lives. Some will say that is the way that has been given to them by God. I can see that as a possibility…I simply don’t know and I don’t think anyone can honestly say they do know. If that is the case it still doesn’t give an excuse to someone who was born into a culture that predominately accepts Jesus as the way and seeks after a way that wasn’t offered to them.
Actually, I practice what is today called “Messianic Judaismâ€. I believe that Jesus came to complete Judaism rather than to replace it as Catholicism teaches. Jesus was a Jew and the Apostles were Jews who continued observing Judaism until they died.
I’m saying that I’m not going to judge those who are born into another religion. I can’t honestly say I know what will happen to them. God has presented me with Yeshua Ha’ Mashiach (Jesus the Messiah) and it is Him that I must respond to. When I accept Him I also accept what He teaches. He (Jesus) is God and is from the beginning with God. Therefore, I must accept the entirety of the Scriptures that He gives us and has taught us from. If I accept His teaching, and I do, then I must do my part to make His way available to all. He says He is the way and that those who come to the Father do so through Him.
My concern is for those who have Jesus offered to them daily but choose to seek out someone or something else. I simply don’t know about those who are born into Buddhism, are brought up in it and only see Buddhism in their lives. Some will say that is the way that has been given to them by God. I can see that as a possibility…I simply don’t know and I don’t think anyone can honestly say they do know. If that is the case it still doesn’t give an excuse to someone who was born into a culture that predominately accepts Jesus as the way and seeks after a way that wasn’t offered to them.
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So is there a LIFE AFTER?
Clint wrote: Actually, I practice what is today called “Messianic Judaismâ€. I believe that Jesus came to complete Judaism rather than to replace it as Catholicism teaches. Jesus was a Jew and the Apostles were Jews who continued observing Judaism until they died.
I’m saying that I’m not going to judge those who are born into another religion. I can’t honestly say I know what will happen to them. God has presented me with Yeshua Ha’ Mashiach (Jesus the Messiah) and it is Him that I must respond to. When I accept Him I also accept what He teaches. He (Jesus) is God and is from the beginning with God. Therefore, I must accept the entirety of the Scriptures that He gives us and has taught us from. If I accept His teaching, and I do, then I must do my part to make His way available to all. He says He is the way and that those who come to the Father do so through Him.
My concern is for those who have Jesus offered to them daily but choose to seek out someone or something else. I simply don’t know about those who are born into Buddhism, are brought up in it and only see Buddhism in their lives. Some will say that is the way that has been given to them by God. I can see that as a possibility…I simply don’t know and I don’t think anyone can honestly say they do know. If that is the case it still doesn’t give an excuse to someone who was born into a culture that predominately accepts Jesus as the way and seeks after a way that wasn’t offered to them.
Wow, see you can learn something new all the time. I never heard of “Messianic Judaismâ€. The fact is I myself did question the fact that Jesus was a Jew, & so were his deciples. It seems that the parting of the ways occured after Christ rose from the dead as th Christians believe. The Jews are still waiting for the coming of their lord. Well, we all must follow our hearts in hoping to get into Heaven!:)
I’m saying that I’m not going to judge those who are born into another religion. I can’t honestly say I know what will happen to them. God has presented me with Yeshua Ha’ Mashiach (Jesus the Messiah) and it is Him that I must respond to. When I accept Him I also accept what He teaches. He (Jesus) is God and is from the beginning with God. Therefore, I must accept the entirety of the Scriptures that He gives us and has taught us from. If I accept His teaching, and I do, then I must do my part to make His way available to all. He says He is the way and that those who come to the Father do so through Him.
My concern is for those who have Jesus offered to them daily but choose to seek out someone or something else. I simply don’t know about those who are born into Buddhism, are brought up in it and only see Buddhism in their lives. Some will say that is the way that has been given to them by God. I can see that as a possibility…I simply don’t know and I don’t think anyone can honestly say they do know. If that is the case it still doesn’t give an excuse to someone who was born into a culture that predominately accepts Jesus as the way and seeks after a way that wasn’t offered to them.
Wow, see you can learn something new all the time. I never heard of “Messianic Judaismâ€. The fact is I myself did question the fact that Jesus was a Jew, & so were his deciples. It seems that the parting of the ways occured after Christ rose from the dead as th Christians believe. The Jews are still waiting for the coming of their lord. Well, we all must follow our hearts in hoping to get into Heaven!:)
Cars
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L4DD13 wrote: Personally.
I dont think there is an after life.
I just view it as a "phrase" that people used to use to attempt to reduce the fear of dying. Being told that your going to see your loved ones again would have surely made people feel better and not be so afraid (strange under the circumstances, i know).
But then again im an Atheist and im not gonna change that fact untill i get some hard evidence.
Cheers.
Did you see the post in here from Jives? He seems to heve been there & back.
Are you a hard core Atheist, I sometimes tell myself that I am becoming one, but then when a real serious crisis occurs, I find myself "praying" to ? Have you never had an occasion to think that maybe you felt/should pray? I know, some say prayer is just a crutch, to help the weak get through tough times! But if it works for them?
I dont think there is an after life.
I just view it as a "phrase" that people used to use to attempt to reduce the fear of dying. Being told that your going to see your loved ones again would have surely made people feel better and not be so afraid (strange under the circumstances, i know).
But then again im an Atheist and im not gonna change that fact untill i get some hard evidence.
Cheers.
Did you see the post in here from Jives? He seems to heve been there & back.
Are you a hard core Atheist, I sometimes tell myself that I am becoming one, but then when a real serious crisis occurs, I find myself "praying" to ? Have you never had an occasion to think that maybe you felt/should pray? I know, some say prayer is just a crutch, to help the weak get through tough times! But if it works for them?
Cars
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Well thats a question thats been driving people insane for years.
I personally do believe there is an after this!
I think that we move on not as the end of a journey, but just the next part. We meet those who we have loved etc in heaven (for want of a better word).
I once read an article that questioned souls and the possible connections between them. It asked if we have soul mates and click with certain people because our souls recognise one another, l found that concept touching. Its like you really do get to spend eternity with your loved ones in a way
I personally do believe there is an after this!
I think that we move on not as the end of a journey, but just the next part. We meet those who we have loved etc in heaven (for want of a better word).
I once read an article that questioned souls and the possible connections between them. It asked if we have soul mates and click with certain people because our souls recognise one another, l found that concept touching. Its like you really do get to spend eternity with your loved ones in a way
take a bite out of life it's there to be tasted!!
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venus wrote: Well thats a question thats been driving people insane for years.
I personally do believe there is an after this!
I think that we move on not as the end of a journey, but just the next part. We meet those who we have loved etc in heaven (for want of a better word).
I once read an article that questioned souls and the possible connections between them. It asked if we have soul mates and click with certain people because our souls recognise one another, l found that concept touching. Its like you really do get to spend eternity with your loved ones in a way
Hi venus, I like your concept. But someone once told me that if it were like you say, & you did meet up with those you have loved, but by the same token, you also will meet up with the ones that you didn't love. Like ex wives & husbands, bosses & others that you may not really want to meet. What happens then, like when your last wife or husband gets bugged by your first, or second, or third wife or husband? Then it becomes a little scary going through eternity, eternally bickering! :wah:
I personally do believe there is an after this!
I think that we move on not as the end of a journey, but just the next part. We meet those who we have loved etc in heaven (for want of a better word).
I once read an article that questioned souls and the possible connections between them. It asked if we have soul mates and click with certain people because our souls recognise one another, l found that concept touching. Its like you really do get to spend eternity with your loved ones in a way
Hi venus, I like your concept. But someone once told me that if it were like you say, & you did meet up with those you have loved, but by the same token, you also will meet up with the ones that you didn't love. Like ex wives & husbands, bosses & others that you may not really want to meet. What happens then, like when your last wife or husband gets bugged by your first, or second, or third wife or husband? Then it becomes a little scary going through eternity, eternally bickering! :wah:
Cars
So is there a LIFE AFTER?
Well heres to hoping that up there we can finally put issues and arguments to rest
Got to have hope!
Got to have hope!
take a bite out of life it's there to be tasted!!
So is there a LIFE AFTER?
I beleive in a life after completely!
-Where the blind can see, and the crippled walk etc.
-But wouldnt it be great if there was Burger King! uh, uh, think about it, no calories, no bad hair days, no bill collectors, just bliss , love , and whoppers!!!
-the bad people get the low carb meals.
-Jasmund
-Where the blind can see, and the crippled walk etc.
-But wouldnt it be great if there was Burger King! uh, uh, think about it, no calories, no bad hair days, no bill collectors, just bliss , love , and whoppers!!!
-the bad people get the low carb meals.
-Jasmund
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There had better be an afterlife because this one isn't looking so great.
If Life was a business I'd be asking for a refund and maybe some coupons for the next time around!
If Life was a business I'd be asking for a refund and maybe some coupons for the next time around!
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L4DD13 wrote: Yes im an Atheist.
Ive never wanted to pray. Just never seen a purpose.
The main reason im an Atheist is because people in really poor or dangerous countries pray and pray.... but what happens? Nothing.
Ive never seen any evidence there is a god, or an afterlife. Im a person who needs hard evidence to believe in stuff like that.
Sorry if i upset people on this subject, i know its a delicate one.
You're intitled to your opinion, and it should not really upset true believers.
I to sometimes wonder about a "loving" God that will let children be born with no arms, legs, blind, and all of the other world's miseries . Allowing mudering & raping to go on. People savagingly loosing thier homes & lives, etc.
Looking at what just happened in New Orleans, I'm sure many, if not all of them there prayed, but. . . . . .
Ive never wanted to pray. Just never seen a purpose.
The main reason im an Atheist is because people in really poor or dangerous countries pray and pray.... but what happens? Nothing.
Ive never seen any evidence there is a god, or an afterlife. Im a person who needs hard evidence to believe in stuff like that.
Sorry if i upset people on this subject, i know its a delicate one.
You're intitled to your opinion, and it should not really upset true believers.
I to sometimes wonder about a "loving" God that will let children be born with no arms, legs, blind, and all of the other world's miseries . Allowing mudering & raping to go on. People savagingly loosing thier homes & lives, etc.
Looking at what just happened in New Orleans, I'm sure many, if not all of them there prayed, but. . . . . .
Cars
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If there wasn’t any suffering in God’s creation we would just be like jellyfish floating around without purpose. If no one suffered why love? If no one suffered why care? Without suffering how would we know we are not suffering? If babies never died why feed them? If no one starved, why eat?
Good is only visible to the extent that evil is noticeable. The only way I know my hand isn’t hurting is that it has hurt before.
Good is only visible to the extent that evil is noticeable. The only way I know my hand isn’t hurting is that it has hurt before.
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I posted an inspired analogy some time ago. I'll try to find it. I'm not convinced we have perspective to understand true suffering.
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Accountable wrote: I posted an inspired analogy some time ago. I'll try to find it. I'm not convinced we have perspective to understand true suffering.
Wouldn't we have the perspective if we had experienced it?
Wouldn't we have the perspective if we had experienced it?
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Clint wrote: Wouldn't we have the perspective if we had experienced it?
That's my point. Arnold pointed it out as well. I stub my toe; it hurts. It hurts alot less if I know what dropping a bowling ball on it feels like (or so I've heard :rolleyes: ). Here's the post I made back on 7/25:
Accountable wrote: I've always viewed God quite literally as our Father. As kids, we really can't see the whole picture. Think of a toddler trying to walk. the little tike gets up, takes a few steps (or one step :p ) then falls and bumps his butt. It's painful! He cries and holds his little hands up to you to pick him up and make it all better. His tears are heartbreaking, but you let him cry because you know the bigger picture. He soon tries again, and again. Far too soon, he's on the varsity track team thinking about college.
Maybe all this mayhem that is a major pain in our collective asses is really nothing serious at all, given the bigger picture. Maybe it's our job to learn from it, fix it, stand back up and carry on.
That's my point. Arnold pointed it out as well. I stub my toe; it hurts. It hurts alot less if I know what dropping a bowling ball on it feels like (or so I've heard :rolleyes: ). Here's the post I made back on 7/25:
Accountable wrote: I've always viewed God quite literally as our Father. As kids, we really can't see the whole picture. Think of a toddler trying to walk. the little tike gets up, takes a few steps (or one step :p ) then falls and bumps his butt. It's painful! He cries and holds his little hands up to you to pick him up and make it all better. His tears are heartbreaking, but you let him cry because you know the bigger picture. He soon tries again, and again. Far too soon, he's on the varsity track team thinking about college.
Maybe all this mayhem that is a major pain in our collective asses is really nothing serious at all, given the bigger picture. Maybe it's our job to learn from it, fix it, stand back up and carry on.
So is there a LIFE AFTER?
Accountable wrote: That's my point. Arnold pointed it out as well. I stub my toe; it hurts. It hurts alot less if I know what dropping a bowling ball on it feels like (or so I've heard :rolleyes: ). Here's the post I made back on 7/25:
Your 7/25 post says it well. It complements the Bible verse that says that all things work together for good if you trust God. James also says it in a way I can understand when he says to consider it all joy when we encounter difficulties becuse it strengthens us.
Your 7/25 post says it well. It complements the Bible verse that says that all things work together for good if you trust God. James also says it in a way I can understand when he says to consider it all joy when we encounter difficulties becuse it strengthens us.
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Clint I have so enjoyed your replies to this thread. I am a Lutheran and believe in everthing you say. The suffering makes the good times even better. I believe everything happens for a reason, such as the tragery in New Orleans. It is hard to see so many people suffer but the Lord has a plan for these people. They may not like it but this is his world so he can make all the plans he wants. I believe we all have a place on this earth and a job to do. When I finally came to understand this and accepted it I have such a peace in me. Just yesterday on the news I saw a little boy that was dying in a New Orleans hospital from a very serious heart condition. They transported him to a childrens hospital I think in Ark. The doctors took one look at him and started to work on him which may not cure him but may extented his life a little longer. To me this was a miracle sent by God. He would have died in the New Orleans hospital.
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Clint wrote: If there wasn’t any suffering in God’s creation we would just be like jellyfish floating around without purpose. If no one suffered why love? If no one suffered why care? Without suffering how would we know we are not suffering? If babies never died why feed them? If no one starved, why eat?
Good is only visible to the extent that evil is noticeable. The only way I know my hand isn’t hurting is that it has hurt before.
And the idle man doesn't know what it feels like to relax.:-2
Good is only visible to the extent that evil is noticeable. The only way I know my hand isn’t hurting is that it has hurt before.
And the idle man doesn't know what it feels like to relax.:-2
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