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hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:18 am

Those Old Westerns

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:32 am

Steve Mcqeen And Glen Ford were my favorites..

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:34 am

hoppy;1292662 wrote: Those Old Westerns

Its a shame they don't make good westerns anymore.... I don't remember a lot of those oldies but I like the old westerns.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:00 am

minks;1292664 wrote: Its a shame they don't make good westerns anymore.... I don't remember a lot of those oldies but I like the old westerns.I think the majority of todays westerns are great, they seem to be so realistic.

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:14 am

Ahso!;1292669 wrote: I think the majority of todays westerns are great, they seem to be so realistic.

What is the last western made these days I guess I have been out of the loop hmmmm I did like Tombstone that was a good one, I also liked the "Assasination of Jesse James" It was quirky but good

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:32 am

minks;1292672 wrote: What is the last western made these days I guess I have been out of the loop hmmmm I did like Tombstone that was a good one, I also liked the "Assasination of Jesse James" It was quirky but good
Maybe 3:10 to Yuma? It was a good movie.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:41 am

Appaloosa

3:10 to Yuma

Legends of the fall

The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada

Open Range

Seraphim Falls

Cold Mountain

Australia

These are all very good westerns.

I was looking at netflix and noticed they don't have a "western" category. They should!

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:43 am

Ahso!;1292680 wrote: Appaloosa

3:10 to Yuma

Legends of the fall

The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada

Open Range

Seraphim Falls

Cold Mountain

Australia

These are all very good westerns.

ok yes there has been some good ones made... I loved Cold Mountain and Appaloosa, and 3:10 to Yuma.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:46 am

Some of my favorites:

The Outlaw Josey Wales

Last of the Mohicans

Dances with Wolves

Tombstone

The Magnificent Seven

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:50 am

YZGI;1292684 wrote: Some of my favorites:

The Outlaw Josey Wales

Last of the Mohicans

Dances with Wolves

Tombstone

The Magnificent Seven

oh ya they are all good Last of the Mohicans was one of my faves indeed. It just seems like they are a dying art we don't see as many produced as we used to.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:52 am

minks;1292686 wrote: oh ya they are all good Last of the Mohicans was one of my faves indeed. It just seems like they are a dying art we don't see as many produced as we used to.You're right!

Watch Open Range - its outstanding!

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:57 am

Ahso!;1292687 wrote: You're right!

Watch Open Range - its outstanding!

I believe I have seen that one too

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:59 am

And I totally forgot about September Dawn - Mountain Meadows Massacre!

See this movie

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:00 am

Ahso!;1292689 wrote: And I totally forgot about September Dawn - Mountain Meadows Massacre!

See this movie

oh one I have not seen ok note to self look for this one

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:43 am

Ahso!;1292687 wrote: You're right!

Watch Open Range - its outstanding!
This movie may have been the most realistic of them all (Unforgiven) Also. The gunfights didn't happen in every scene. The build up to the gunfights was what was interesting in those days, Which only lasted about 20 years.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:45 am

The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada and Seraphim Falls were unique.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:46 am

Ahso!;1292680 wrote: Appaloosa

3:10 to Yuma

Legends of the fall

The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada

Open Range

Seraphim Falls

Cold Mountain

Australia

These are all very good westerns.

I was looking at netflix and noticed they don't have a "western" category. They should!

I still watch Open Range, I mean who wouldn't with Kevin Costner in it.

Legends of the Fall, seen that one several times, oh my Brad Pit, oh baby!:yh_rotfl

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:23 pm

When I was a 'lil snot I had two favorites. Hopalong Cassidy and Red Ryder. Most of the time I thought I was Hopalong Cassidy. Once though, I wanted to be like Red Ryder so I poured red food coloring over my head. Gramps said I looked like a red headed woodpecker. He called me peckerhead until dad made him stop.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:29 pm

I tried recently to watch "The Outlaw Josey Wales" and I couldn't finish it...I tried to convince myself it were O.K. Corral to ride with Confederate soldiers to track down the Union posse that murdered his family but couldn't get passed the fact the South represented slavery even though the war was about money and power.

It was also very slow with limited battle scenes...

I also tried watching "High Plains Drifter" and about vomited when I scene Clint gun down the three ***holes:yh_wink simply for being,..well,..***holes...I mean that kind of killing isn't necessary!

I did like "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly"...Good film...I can justify killing murderers for money in what was obviously trying times.

On a side note: I think John Wayne is a slow witted, stubborn, cynical, closed mouthed ***hole! whose only benefit is that he's approximately 6'-4" and walks with a limp that I can only guess is to confuse the "outlaws"? Give me a ** break "John Wayne!"!

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:48 pm

K.Snyder;1292779 wrote: I tried recently to watch "The Outlaw Josey Wales" and I couldn't finish it...I tried to convince myself it were O.K. Corral to ride with Confederate soldiers to track down the Union posse that murdered his family but couldn't get passed the fact the South represented slavery even though the war was about money and power.

The movie wasn't about north vs. South, actually.

I mean, yes, the Civil War was the backdrop for the thing, but it could have been set against any number of such backdrops.

It was really about letting go of the war, and moving on.

And if you knew anything about the wartime history of Missouri and Kansas, you would have a different perspective, I think.

Most wars are sickening when you think about what humans can and will do to other humans, and the reasons for the doing.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:57 pm

3:10 to Yuma was pretty good, but the new version cannot hold a candle to the original, with Van Heflin and Clu Galagher.

One of my favorites of the older westerns was The Oxbow Incident.

Also, of course, Red River.

Another, more recent favorite of mine is, Quincey, Down Under.

A lot of purist would groan at this, but it is really a hoot.

All the classic western cliche scenes are there, with just a bit of a twist.

The most obvious is the climax, where the "Indians" rescue the hero from the "Cavalry"

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:02 pm

What I like most about todays westerns is there is not much "good verses evil" as in "cowboy=good" "redman or mexican=evil". They are more about everyday life in a rugged frontier.

Deadwood was real good. Anyone watch that series when it aired.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:04 pm

LarsMac;1292782 wrote: The movie wasn't about north vs. South, actually.

I mean, yes, the Civil War was the backdrop for the thing, but it could have been set against any number of such backdrops.

It was really about letting go of the war, and moving on.

And if you knew anything about the wartime history of Missouri and Kansas, you would have a different perspective, I think.

Most wars are sickening when you think about what humans can and will do to other humans, and the reasons for the doing.

I know what the movie was about, I was speaking in reference to my ability to justify the course having been taken. The fact remains he rode with Southern Confederates and the movie hadn't at all eased my assumption those soldiers seen hanging at the hands of the "confederate rebels" were "justly served".

At the end of the day the south encouraged slavery and he'd questioned not to whom he rode with

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:13 pm

K.Snyder;1292788 wrote: I know what the movie was about, I was speaking in reference to my ability to justify the course having been taken. The fact remains he rode with Southern Confederates and the movie hadn't at all eased my assumption those soldiers seen hanging at the hands of the "confederate rebels" were "justly served".

At the end of the day the south encouraged slavery and he'd questioned not to whom he rode with

Well, as I said before, if you were familiar with the Kansas-Missouri area during the War, you may see it differently.

The Militia that he was fighting had about as much interest in ending slavery or preserving the Union as the Comanchero's had in preserving Music and Chivalry.

Josey simply chose the side that was fighting the ones who killed his family.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:15 pm

Ahso!;1292786 wrote: What I like most about todays westerns is there is not much "good verses evil" as in "cowboy=good" "redman or mexican=evil". They are more about everyday life in a rugged frontier.

Deadwood was real good. Anyone watch that series when it aired.

I tried to watch it, but was distracted by all the foul language.

I am no prude, mind you, but thirty minutes of that show I had to go wash MY mouth out with soap.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:16 pm

LarsMac;1292794 wrote: I tried to watch it, but was distracted by all the foul language.

I am no prude, mind you, but thirty minutes of that show I had to go wash MY mouth out with soap.:wah: Yeah, but once you got used to the language, it was worth watching. Its like the first time the addict gets that needle in.

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:19 pm

Ahso!;1292786 wrote: What I like most about todays westerns is there is not much "good verses evil" as in "cowboy=good" "redman or mexican=evil". They are more about everyday life in a rugged frontier.

Deadwood was real good. Anyone watch that series when it aired.

this is a little off topic, but I read a great 4 book series by Larry McMurtry about the rugged frontier (done in true great Larry style of course) and it was an aweseome depiction of the frontier life. I wish there were more of his books put to film.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:19 pm

Ahso!;1292796 wrote: :wah: Yeah, but once you got used to the language, it was worth watching. Its like the first time the addict gets that needle in.

If I got used to that, I would be talking like that, then my grandkids would think it was OK to talk like that, and my daughter would be ready to shoot me.

I'll pass.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:19 pm

LarsMac;1292793 wrote: Well, as I said before, if you were familiar with the Kansas-Missouri area during the War, you may see it differently.

The Militia that he was fighting had about as much interest in ending slavery or preserving the Union as the Comanchero's had in preserving Music and Chivalry.

Josey simply chose the side that was fighting the ones who killed his family.

Yes, I understand but if I were to do the same and randomly shoot me pistol into a crowd of Union Soldiers and ended up hitting a Soldier that was fighting for the Integrity of the Union and ending slavery then I would forever be a murdering piece of garbage and would then deserve to be locked up for the rest of my natural born life! I'd then manage to deem myself no different than the savages that pillaged his land and murdered his famliy! In the same damn manner as if I were to willingly join an armed force and kill at the request of said band without questioning at all each and every damn Man I fired my gun at for the soul purpose to kill that just Individual I'd never have the right to call myself a Man!

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:23 pm

there is also crap westerns geeze there is one about a bunch of women dang the title eludes me it had the word Roses in it, it was so poor they were using terms from our era, slang and such that would never have been used back in the days of the wild west. It was utter *****. What a disappointment.

BTW it is Quigly Down Under not Quincy

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:17 pm

K.Snyder;1292800 wrote: Yes, I understand but if I were to do the same and randomly shoot me pistol into a crowd of Union Soldiers and ended up hitting a Soldier that was fighting for the Integrity of the Union and ending slavery then I would forever be a murdering piece of garbage and would then deserve to be locked up for the rest of my natural born life! I'd then manage to deem myself no different than the savages that pillaged his land and murdered his famliy! In the same damn manner as if I were to willingly join an armed force and kill at the request of said band without questioning at all each and every damn Man I fired my gun at for the soul purpose to kill that just Individual I'd never have the right to call myself a Man!
You honestly think every single Union soldier was fighting against slavery and every single Jonny Reb was fighting for slavery?

You need to read a little history.

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:33 pm

YZGI;1292815 wrote: You honestly think every single Union soldier was fighting against slavery and every single Jonny Reb was fighting for slavery?

You need to read a little history.

Roh Roh ducking for cover we r going to have another civil war on our hands (minks heads for the north country)

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:45 pm

I really enjoyed 'A man called Horse', and a favourite of mine was 'Last of the Mohicans', was that Daniel Day Lewis? I also thought 'Dances with Wolves' was a classic, but sad. I love watching the old westerns though.

I have found that any new westerns seen to concentrate on getting the facts right, which is as it should be.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:53 pm

K.Snyder;1292800 wrote: Yes, I understand but if I were to do the same and randomly shoot me pistol into a crowd of Union Soldiers and ended up hitting a Soldier that was fighting for the Integrity of the Union and ending slavery then I would forever be a murdering piece of garbage and would then deserve to be locked up for the rest of my natural born life! I'd then manage to deem myself no different than the savages that pillaged his land and murdered his famliy! In the same damn manner as if I were to willingly join an armed force and kill at the request of said band without questioning at all each and every damn Man I fired my gun at for the soul purpose to kill that just Individual I'd never have the right to call myself a Man!

Well, sorry that all that irrelevant background stuff ruins you enjoyment of a movie and distracts from the points of the story being told.

It ain't the uniform that makes a man, but the character in the uniform.

However if you are interested, there is another movie that focuses on the Missouri region that I thought was a damn good movie.

Not many "Good guys" in it, but the story is worth following.

Called "Ride with the Devil"

The kid that played Spiderman is the key protagonists, and does a great job, I think.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:57 pm

My favorite was the Cisco Kid.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:59 pm

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid....awesome movie!:guitarist

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:00 pm

LarsMac;1292839 wrote: Well, sorry that all that irrelevant background stuff ruins you enjoyment of a movie and distracts from the points of the story being told.

It ain't the uniform that makes a man, but the character in the uniform.

However if you are interested, there is another movie that focuses on the Missouri region that I thought was a damn good movie.

Not many "Good guys" in it, but the story is worth following.

Called "Ride with the Devil"

The kid that played Spiderman is the key protagonists, and does a great job, I think.

Every movie consists of "Good guys"...The difference is that some confuse "Good guys" with "Better guys" or "Less offensive guys"...I cannot follow a story consisting of the portrayed "good guy" representing a war party that was the unethical of the two or more sides. What the hell were they fighting for if they weren't fighting to uphold slavery? Poops and giggles perhaps?

I suppose a moot point at that!

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:06 pm

YZGI;1292815 wrote: You honestly think every single Union soldier was fighting against slavery and every single Jonny Reb was fighting for slavery?

You need to read a little history.

No, YZGI

that is completely irrelevant to my stance and I thought was quite obvious at that!

What in the World war crimes has anything to do with history is beyond me...War crimes have a specific definition...War crimes are "violations of the laws or customs of war"; including "murder, the ill-treatment or deportation of civilian residents of an occupied territory to slave labor camps", "the murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war", the killing of hostages, "the wanton destruction of cities, towns and villages, and any devastation not justified by military, or civilian necessity".War crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Key phrase "civilian necessity" which ties my stance in a knot if you manage to get to the end/beginning of it

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:52 am

The Starz Western Channel is always coming up with old westerns.

Just watched Take me Back to Oklahoma, on with Tex Ritter with Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys providing the music.