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Jamie bulger's killer has been returned to jail for braking parole condition
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el guapo;1293993 wrote: Jamie bulger's killer has been returned to jail for braking parole condition
Glad to see they're keeping on top of him.
Glad to see they're keeping on top of him.
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el guapo;1293993 wrote: Jamie bulger's killer has been returned to jail for braking parole condition What did he do to break Parole Conditions? Have you got a link?
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I wonder what he did, or didn't do. I also wonder where they've put him, because he will be at great risk inside, once the inmates find out his real identity. Find out they will.
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oscar;1294002 wrote: What did he do to break Parole Conditions? Have you got a link?
BBC News - James Bulger murderer Jon Venables returned to prison
There's no reason given. It will be interesting to see how the story develops.
BBC News - James Bulger murderer Jon Venables returned to prison
There's no reason given. It will be interesting to see how the story develops.
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spot;1294005 wrote: BBC News - James Bulger murderer Jon Venables returned to prison
There's no reason given. It will be interesting to see how the story develops.
Whatever... It's just broken the spine of your theory that re-habilitation works on child murderers against long prison terms.
There's no reason given. It will be interesting to see how the story develops.
Whatever... It's just broken the spine of your theory that re-habilitation works on child murderers against long prison terms.
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oscar;1294006 wrote: Whatever... It's just broken the spine of your theory that re-habilitation works on child murderers against long prison terms.
Possibly so, possibly not, we'll wait and discuss it in detail when there are some facts to go round.
Possibly so, possibly not, we'll wait and discuss it in detail when there are some facts to go round.
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spot;1294007 wrote: Possibly so, possibly not, we'll wait and discuss it in detail when there are some facts to go round.
Yes I agree with that however, he would not have been returned to custody for a Parking violation. It must be of a fairly serious nature similar to the nature he showed Jamie Bulger to warrent Imprisonment.
Yes I agree with that however, he would not have been returned to custody for a Parking violation. It must be of a fairly serious nature similar to the nature he showed Jamie Bulger to warrent Imprisonment.
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They should have been put to sleep.
I expressly forbid the use of any of my posts anywhere outside of FG (with the exception of the incredibly witty 'get a room already' )posted recently.
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flopstock;1294018 wrote: They should have been put to sleep.
Now Now Now, that would breach their human rights. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Now Now Now, that would breach their human rights. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
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oscar;1294030 wrote: Now Now Now, that would breach their human rights. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Quite the leap isn't it... putting them in the human category?
Quite the leap isn't it... putting them in the human category?
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el guapo;1293993 wrote: Jamie bulger's killer has been returned to jail for braking parole condition
Best place for him IMO. They should have thrown away the key years ago!
Best place for him IMO. They should have thrown away the key years ago!
Very nearly perfect ... 
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oscar;1294010 wrote: Yes I agree with that however, he would not have been returned to custody for a Parking violation. It must be of a fairly serious nature similar to the nature he showed Jamie Bulger to warrent Imprisonment.
Well, no, actually. To quote the then Home Secretary David Blunkett when Venables and Robert Thompson were freed in 2001Thompson and Venables are not free - as I have said they will remain on life licence for the rest of their lives and are liable to be recalled to custody at anytime if there is any evidence that they present a risk to the public.
The life licences include conditions which prohibit Thompson and Venables, whether directly or indirectly, from contacting or attempting to contact the family of James Bulger or each other.
They will also be prohibited from entering the Metropolitan County of Merseyside without the prior written consent of their supervising officers.
BBC News - Bulger killers released: what the home secretary said
Well, no, actually. To quote the then Home Secretary David Blunkett when Venables and Robert Thompson were freed in 2001Thompson and Venables are not free - as I have said they will remain on life licence for the rest of their lives and are liable to be recalled to custody at anytime if there is any evidence that they present a risk to the public.
The life licences include conditions which prohibit Thompson and Venables, whether directly or indirectly, from contacting or attempting to contact the family of James Bulger or each other.
They will also be prohibited from entering the Metropolitan County of Merseyside without the prior written consent of their supervising officers.
BBC News - Bulger killers released: what the home secretary said
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oscar;1294030 wrote: Now Now Now, that would breach their human rights. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
but of course. (barf)
even though they failed to consider James Bulgers Human Rights.
I have to agree with Floppy's comment.
but of course. (barf)
even though they failed to consider James Bulgers Human Rights.
I have to agree with Floppy's comment.
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oscar;1294010 wrote: Yes I agree with that however, he would not have been returned to custody for a Parking violation. It must be of a fairly serious nature similar to the nature he showed Jamie Bulger to warrent Imprisonment.
Read the article - just traveling too near to Merseyside would be sufficient. No suggestion that it needs to be "similar in nature" to the attack on Jamie Bulger.
Read the article - just traveling too near to Merseyside would be sufficient. No suggestion that it needs to be "similar in nature" to the attack on Jamie Bulger.
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spot;1294035 wrote: Well, no, actually. Thompson and Venables are not free - as I have said they will remain on life licence for the rest of their lives and are liable to be recalled to custody at anytime if there is any evidence that they present a risk to the public.
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Then you have no arguement. That backs my statement perfectly. To return him to custody, he must have displayed behaviour that was deemed a risk to the public. Hence, the re-habilitation In his case was In-effective.
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Then you have no arguement. That backs my statement perfectly. To return him to custody, he must have displayed behaviour that was deemed a risk to the public. Hence, the re-habilitation In his case was In-effective.
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oscar;1294048 wrote: Then you have no arguement. That backs my statement perfectly. To return him to custody, he must have displayed behaviour that was deemed a risk to the public. Hence, the re-habilitation In his case was In-effective.
All you need do is quote me in full and it's apparent that you're just being silly.
1. The life licences include conditions which prohibit Thompson and Venables, whether directly or indirectly, from contacting or attempting to contact the family of James Bulger or each other.
2. They will also be prohibited from entering the Metropolitan County of Merseyside without the prior written consent of their supervising officers.
All you need do is quote me in full and it's apparent that you're just being silly.
1. The life licences include conditions which prohibit Thompson and Venables, whether directly or indirectly, from contacting or attempting to contact the family of James Bulger or each other.
2. They will also be prohibited from entering the Metropolitan County of Merseyside without the prior written consent of their supervising officers.
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spot;1294049 wrote: All you need do is quote me in full and it's apparent that you're just being silly.
1. The life licences include conditions which prohibit Thompson and Venables, whether directly or indirectly, from contacting or attempting to contact the family of James Bulger or each other.
2. They will also be prohibited from entering the Metropolitan County of Merseyside without the prior written consent of their supervising officers.
So what part of those two conditions did he not comprehend?
1) Why on earth would he wish to even go within 100 miles of Merseyside?
2) What possible motive could he have from contacting the Bulger family?
Sounds rather sinister to me.
1. The life licences include conditions which prohibit Thompson and Venables, whether directly or indirectly, from contacting or attempting to contact the family of James Bulger or each other.
2. They will also be prohibited from entering the Metropolitan County of Merseyside without the prior written consent of their supervising officers.
So what part of those two conditions did he not comprehend?
1) Why on earth would he wish to even go within 100 miles of Merseyside?
2) What possible motive could he have from contacting the Bulger family?
Sounds rather sinister to me.
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oscar;1294060 wrote: So what part of those two conditions did he not comprehend?
1) Why on earth would he wish to even go within 100 miles of Merseyside?
2) What possible motive could he have from contacting the Bulger family?
Sounds rather sinister to me.
But not necessarily, you'll agree, "behaviour that was deemed a risk to the public".
You're still missing "or each other".
1) Why on earth would he wish to even go within 100 miles of Merseyside?
2) What possible motive could he have from contacting the Bulger family?
Sounds rather sinister to me.
But not necessarily, you'll agree, "behaviour that was deemed a risk to the public".
You're still missing "or each other".
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spot;1294063 wrote: But not necessarily, you'll agree, "behaviour that was deemed a risk to the public".
You're still missing "or each other". Spot... Face It... He must have been deemed a risk to Incarcerate him.
You're still missing "or each other". Spot... Face It... He must have been deemed a risk to Incarcerate him.
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oscar;1294066 wrote: Spot... Face It... He must have been deemed a risk to Incarcerate him.
Not according to the then Home Secretary, no. Why don't we just wait and find out?
Not according to the then Home Secretary, no. Why don't we just wait and find out?
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spot;1294068 wrote: Not according to the then Home Secretary, no. Why don't we just wait and find out? I'm happy to do that however you have excluded the fact that Blunkett's order also Included returning to custody for an Un-limited amount of time If he commited another crime.
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Hey guys, there are 124 'guests' reading this thread at this moment ! Maybe one of them is Robert Thompson ! I doubt Venables would be able to log in.
Spot, if Venables had made contact with Thompson, I would have thought that Thompson would also have been taken into custody, wouldn't you?
Spot, if Venables had made contact with Thompson, I would have thought that Thompson would also have been taken into custody, wouldn't you?
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Spots link says:
Dominic Casciani, BBC News
When Jon Venables walked out of prison in 2001, it was not as a free man. His release came because the Parole Board decided the public would be safe if he were allowed into the community on a licence that includes strict conditions.
A criminal's recall to prison is triggered by one of three circumstances. He either committed a crime, showed the signs that he was about to, or breached specific conditions imposed. Breaches can be technical, such as being out of the home at the exact start of a curfew, or far more serious, such as contacting a victim's family.
Venables will be told why he is back inside and he can seek a full oral hearing before the Parole Board. But with public protection being the top priority, the panel will start with the case for keeping him inside, rather than the argument for letting him out.
So it might be as simple as missing a curfew.
Just as a btw, which of those 2 boys had a child of their own?
This is a *hot* story, I'm sure we'll know the reason for his incarceration pretty soon.
Dominic Casciani, BBC News
When Jon Venables walked out of prison in 2001, it was not as a free man. His release came because the Parole Board decided the public would be safe if he were allowed into the community on a licence that includes strict conditions.
A criminal's recall to prison is triggered by one of three circumstances. He either committed a crime, showed the signs that he was about to, or breached specific conditions imposed. Breaches can be technical, such as being out of the home at the exact start of a curfew, or far more serious, such as contacting a victim's family.
Venables will be told why he is back inside and he can seek a full oral hearing before the Parole Board. But with public protection being the top priority, the panel will start with the case for keeping him inside, rather than the argument for letting him out.
So it might be as simple as missing a curfew.
Just as a btw, which of those 2 boys had a child of their own?
This is a *hot* story, I'm sure we'll know the reason for his incarceration pretty soon.
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spot;1294068 wrote: Not according to the then Home Secretary, no. Why don't we just wait and find out?
According to the Mirror, It was 'Following an Incident'
James Bulger killer Jon Venables' return to jail revealed after inquiry from the Mirror - mirror.co.uk
An Incident In my book Is not entering Merseyside nor contacting the Bulger Family. In Infers he broke the law In a way that deemed him a threat to the public.
According to the Mirror, It was 'Following an Incident'
James Bulger killer Jon Venables' return to jail revealed after inquiry from the Mirror - mirror.co.uk
An Incident In my book Is not entering Merseyside nor contacting the Bulger Family. In Infers he broke the law In a way that deemed him a threat to the public.
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I'm sitting here reading Oscar talk rubbish and i had to comment.
He could get pulled in for any minor offence.He is on license till the day he dies yet you're spouting rubbish that he commited a serious offence.
But low and behold we get to the the crux of the matter and we find out you read the daily mirror.
Says it all.
I work in the probation service and take it from me it was a very minor offence that he quite rightly got recalled for.
People like Oscar make me sick by intentionaly stirring up rumour and misquoting people.
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He could get pulled in for any minor offence.He is on license till the day he dies yet you're spouting rubbish that he commited a serious offence.
But low and behold we get to the the crux of the matter and we find out you read the daily mirror.
Says it all.
I work in the probation service and take it from me it was a very minor offence that he quite rightly got recalled for.
People like Oscar make me sick by intentionaly stirring up rumour and misquoting people.
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Apparently the latest, on our local radio news, is that he went back to Liverpool !
If that's the case, he is an idiot!:rolleyes:
If that's the case, he is an idiot!:rolleyes:
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LIMMY;1294120 wrote: I work in the probation service and take it from me it was a very minor offence that he quite rightly got recalled for.If you could hang around as a posting member it would be interesting to discuss the practice of rehabilitation with someone who has first-hand experience of the existing system. It's been raised several times but none of us really know what we're talking about.
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LIMMY;1294120 wrote: I'm sitting here reading Oscar talk rubbish and i had to comment.
He could get pulled in for any minor offence.He is on license till the day he dies yet you're spouting rubbish that he commited a serious offence.
But low and behold we get to the the crux of the matter and we find out you read the daily mirror.
Says it all.
I work in the probation service and take it from me it was a very minor offence that he quite rightly got recalled for.
People like Oscar make me sick by intentionaly stirring up rumour and misquoting people.
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Well said Limmy!! :yh_clap:yh_clap:yh_clap Sweeping statements and assumptions should be banned!!
I for one sat and wondered last night, how much of a psychological impact this has had on these young men. They committed an horrific offence, no doubt about it, I don't question that in way, shape or form. But, they were ten, they were children. They have to live with the knowledge of what they did for the rest of their lives, I should imagine that to live in their skins must be awful, to live with that guilt must have some sort of negative psychological affect on them. And before everyone starts screaming that they took a life they don't deserve to live, I have no doubt that quite possibly the two that did this would actually rather be dead than be living the lie they have to live now for their own protection.
He could get pulled in for any minor offence.He is on license till the day he dies yet you're spouting rubbish that he commited a serious offence.
But low and behold we get to the the crux of the matter and we find out you read the daily mirror.
Says it all.
I work in the probation service and take it from me it was a very minor offence that he quite rightly got recalled for.
People like Oscar make me sick by intentionaly stirring up rumour and misquoting people.
:-5
Well said Limmy!! :yh_clap:yh_clap:yh_clap Sweeping statements and assumptions should be banned!!
I for one sat and wondered last night, how much of a psychological impact this has had on these young men. They committed an horrific offence, no doubt about it, I don't question that in way, shape or form. But, they were ten, they were children. They have to live with the knowledge of what they did for the rest of their lives, I should imagine that to live in their skins must be awful, to live with that guilt must have some sort of negative psychological affect on them. And before everyone starts screaming that they took a life they don't deserve to live, I have no doubt that quite possibly the two that did this would actually rather be dead than be living the lie they have to live now for their own protection.
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Betty Boop;1294153 wrote: Well said Limmy!! :yh_clap:yh_clap:yh_clap Sweeping statements and assumptions should be banned!!
I for one sat and wondered last night, how much of a psychological impact this has had on these young men. They committed an horrific offence, no doubt about it, I don't question that in way, shape or form. But, they were ten, they were children. They have to live with the knowledge of what they did for the rest of their lives, I should imagine that to live in their skins must be awful, to live with that guilt must have some sort of negative psychological affect on them. And before everyone starts screaming that they took a life they don't deserve to live, I have no doubt that quite possibly the two that did this would actually rather be dead than be living the lie they have to live now for their own protection.
If that was the case they would have killed themselves already and ended it all. What they did to james bulger was inexcusable, they tortured him for hours, lied to the few people who bothered to challenge them so they could keep their victim and torture him even more. they dropped him on his head, stood him up on a railway track half naked on a cold february day and stoned him half to death before stamping on his face, beating him with bricks and an iron bar. and then left him dying on a railway line with stones over his face.
whatever we think about standing up to the school bully, i guarantee you... to drop a 2 year old on his head, have him bleed profusely and be crying for his mother... and to then continue to torture him for a few more hours before beating him senseless. these two are evil to the core. For a 10 year old or a 30 year old this is behaviour that is beyond repair. They should not have gotten out of jail in the first place. Both are evil and if they truly regretted it they would have killed themselves already and saved the government some money. hopefully someone does the job on at least one of them in jail. they deserve nothing less.
I for one sat and wondered last night, how much of a psychological impact this has had on these young men. They committed an horrific offence, no doubt about it, I don't question that in way, shape or form. But, they were ten, they were children. They have to live with the knowledge of what they did for the rest of their lives, I should imagine that to live in their skins must be awful, to live with that guilt must have some sort of negative psychological affect on them. And before everyone starts screaming that they took a life they don't deserve to live, I have no doubt that quite possibly the two that did this would actually rather be dead than be living the lie they have to live now for their own protection.
If that was the case they would have killed themselves already and ended it all. What they did to james bulger was inexcusable, they tortured him for hours, lied to the few people who bothered to challenge them so they could keep their victim and torture him even more. they dropped him on his head, stood him up on a railway track half naked on a cold february day and stoned him half to death before stamping on his face, beating him with bricks and an iron bar. and then left him dying on a railway line with stones over his face.
whatever we think about standing up to the school bully, i guarantee you... to drop a 2 year old on his head, have him bleed profusely and be crying for his mother... and to then continue to torture him for a few more hours before beating him senseless. these two are evil to the core. For a 10 year old or a 30 year old this is behaviour that is beyond repair. They should not have gotten out of jail in the first place. Both are evil and if they truly regretted it they would have killed themselves already and saved the government some money. hopefully someone does the job on at least one of them in jail. they deserve nothing less.
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LIMMY;1294120 wrote: I'm sitting here reading Oscar talk rubbish and i had to comment.
He could get pulled in for any minor offence.He is on license till the day he dies yet you're spouting rubbish that he commited a serious offence.
But low and behold we get to the the crux of the matter and we find out you read the daily mirror.
Says it all.
I work in the probation service and take it from me it was a very minor offence that he quite rightly got recalled for.
People like Oscar make me sick by intentionaly stirring up rumour and misquoting people.
:-5 Intentionally ??? My My My, hit a raw nerve have I?
I think you may ( as a brand new poster to this forum) have more to do with Venebles than the probation service.
Why all the secrecy and cover-ups? Don't Insult our Intelligence that It's to protect the poor little Darlings safety In prison. He has had a new Identity for 17 years. Only the Police and Prison Officials would know who he really was. It stinks...If It was a minor offence, why the big cover up? You don't fool any-one.
What I find sickening Is that you are making excuses for him. How do you think Denise Bulger feels? Does she matter In any of this.?
Trust me... I know more about children murdering the Innocent that you assume I do. You are the one talking complete nonsense and making a fool of yourself.
If you know the exact reason he was returned to custody, then why not state It here? Or are you one of those Bleeding heart Liberals who believe 8 years re-hab Is enough for a murderer?
Frankly, he should have seen the death penalty. Do gooders like you have destroyed this country and are partly to blame for the yob culture we see every day. A 15 year old has just been charged with killing two pensioners by arson. What do you suggest they do with him? 8 years re-hab so he can come out and do It again?
Do you not think that decent people In this country have a right to be protected from the likes of Venebles? What gives you or any-one else despite how many qualifications they rack up, the right to deem weather some murderous little bastard Is fit to walk the streets again and possibly put the public at risk?
Have you ever lost a child In such circumstances? I'm sure If you were Bulgers mother, you'd have a very different out-look.
I for one am horrified that Venebles Is even allowed to form a relationship and possibly spawn a child of his own. Does his girlfriends not have a right to know his true Identity for the possible safety of any child she may have with him?
It has been In the press for many years ( although I am not prone to believing the tabloids) that he has displayed violence whilst out on parale before. Of course, If you know different then you can state It here can't you but I won't hold my breath.
He could get pulled in for any minor offence.He is on license till the day he dies yet you're spouting rubbish that he commited a serious offence.
But low and behold we get to the the crux of the matter and we find out you read the daily mirror.
Says it all.
I work in the probation service and take it from me it was a very minor offence that he quite rightly got recalled for.
People like Oscar make me sick by intentionaly stirring up rumour and misquoting people.
:-5 Intentionally ??? My My My, hit a raw nerve have I?
I think you may ( as a brand new poster to this forum) have more to do with Venebles than the probation service.
Why all the secrecy and cover-ups? Don't Insult our Intelligence that It's to protect the poor little Darlings safety In prison. He has had a new Identity for 17 years. Only the Police and Prison Officials would know who he really was. It stinks...If It was a minor offence, why the big cover up? You don't fool any-one.
What I find sickening Is that you are making excuses for him. How do you think Denise Bulger feels? Does she matter In any of this.?
Trust me... I know more about children murdering the Innocent that you assume I do. You are the one talking complete nonsense and making a fool of yourself.
If you know the exact reason he was returned to custody, then why not state It here? Or are you one of those Bleeding heart Liberals who believe 8 years re-hab Is enough for a murderer?
Frankly, he should have seen the death penalty. Do gooders like you have destroyed this country and are partly to blame for the yob culture we see every day. A 15 year old has just been charged with killing two pensioners by arson. What do you suggest they do with him? 8 years re-hab so he can come out and do It again?
Do you not think that decent people In this country have a right to be protected from the likes of Venebles? What gives you or any-one else despite how many qualifications they rack up, the right to deem weather some murderous little bastard Is fit to walk the streets again and possibly put the public at risk?
Have you ever lost a child In such circumstances? I'm sure If you were Bulgers mother, you'd have a very different out-look.
I for one am horrified that Venebles Is even allowed to form a relationship and possibly spawn a child of his own. Does his girlfriends not have a right to know his true Identity for the possible safety of any child she may have with him?
It has been In the press for many years ( although I am not prone to believing the tabloids) that he has displayed violence whilst out on parale before. Of course, If you know different then you can state It here can't you but I won't hold my breath.
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benedine;1294204 wrote: If that was the case they would have killed themselves already and ended it all. What they did to james bulger was inexcusable, they tortured him for hours, lied to the few people who bothered to challenge them so they could keep their victim and torture him even more. they dropped him on his head, stood him up on a railway track half naked on a cold february day and stoned him half to death before stamping on his face, beating him with bricks and an iron bar. and then left him dying on a railway line with stones over his face.
whatever we think about standing up to the school bully, i guarantee you... to drop a 2 year old on his head, have him bleed profusely and be crying for his mother... and to then continue to torture him for a few more hours before beating him senseless. these two are evil to the core. For a 10 year old or a 30 year old this is behaviour that is beyond repair. They should not have gotten out of jail in the first place. Both are evil and if they truly regretted it they would have killed themselves already and saved the government some money. hopefully someone does the job on at least one of them in jail. they deserve nothing less. Very well said.
whatever we think about standing up to the school bully, i guarantee you... to drop a 2 year old on his head, have him bleed profusely and be crying for his mother... and to then continue to torture him for a few more hours before beating him senseless. these two are evil to the core. For a 10 year old or a 30 year old this is behaviour that is beyond repair. They should not have gotten out of jail in the first place. Both are evil and if they truly regretted it they would have killed themselves already and saved the government some money. hopefully someone does the job on at least one of them in jail. they deserve nothing less. Very well said.
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Betty Boop;1294153 wrote: Well said Limmy!! :yh_clap:yh_clap:yh_clap Sweeping statements and assumptions should be banned!!
I for one sat and wondered last night, how much of a psychological impact this has had on these young men. They committed an horrific offence, no doubt about it, I don't question that in way, shape or form. But, they were ten, they were children. They have to live with the knowledge of what they did for the rest of their lives, I should imagine that to live in their skins must be awful, to live with that guilt must have some sort of negative psychological affect on them. And before everyone starts screaming that they took a life they don't deserve to live, I have no doubt that quite possibly the two that did this would actually rather be dead than be living the lie they have to live now for their own protection.
Now Imagine If Jamie Bulger was your baby?????
I for one sat and wondered last night, how much of a psychological impact this has had on these young men. They committed an horrific offence, no doubt about it, I don't question that in way, shape or form. But, they were ten, they were children. They have to live with the knowledge of what they did for the rest of their lives, I should imagine that to live in their skins must be awful, to live with that guilt must have some sort of negative psychological affect on them. And before everyone starts screaming that they took a life they don't deserve to live, I have no doubt that quite possibly the two that did this would actually rather be dead than be living the lie they have to live now for their own protection.
Now Imagine If Jamie Bulger was your baby?????
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oscar;1294229 wrote: How do you think Denise Bulger feels?
Fergus, oscar, Denise Fergus. I expect everything she's felt for the last seventeen years has been centred on losing sight of her child in a shopping centre and trying to get away from the consequent responsibility. It doesn't help her that she's been treated all these years by the tabloids as a mouth organ.
Put the newbie down, it's unsightly to attack strangers. If you can't be welcoming at least have the grace to let him find his feet.
Fergus, oscar, Denise Fergus. I expect everything she's felt for the last seventeen years has been centred on losing sight of her child in a shopping centre and trying to get away from the consequent responsibility. It doesn't help her that she's been treated all these years by the tabloids as a mouth organ.
Put the newbie down, it's unsightly to attack strangers. If you can't be welcoming at least have the grace to let him find his feet.
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we appear to have posted the same thread but you beat me to it by 9 minutes.
so you must have posted while i was writing my column
come and see what the grumps has to say about it .
so you must have posted while i was writing my column
come and see what the grumps has to say about it .
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pantoandy;1294239 wrote: we appear to have posted the same thread but you beat me to it by 9 minutes.
so you must have posted while i was writing my column
come and see what the grumps has to say about it . I can Imagine :wah:
so you must have posted while i was writing my column
come and see what the grumps has to say about it . I can Imagine :wah:
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spot;1294237 wrote: Fergus, oscar, Denise Fergus. I expect everything she's felt for the last seventeen years has been centred on losing sight of her child in a shopping centre and trying to get away from the consequent responsibility. It doesn't help her that she's been treated all these years by the tabloids as a mouth organ.
Put the newbie down, it's unsightly to attack strangers. If you can't be welcoming at least have the grace to let him find his feet. Thank you Spot. I am very aware Denise Bulger re-married and I am aware of her name as she writes for a woman's magazine that I subscribe to. I deliberately did not use her new married name for the benifit of our US, Australian, and Canadian members who may not have realised I was talking about Jamie's mother.
Put the newbie down????? Now that Is Pot, Kettle Black.
Put the newbie down, it's unsightly to attack strangers. If you can't be welcoming at least have the grace to let him find his feet. Thank you Spot. I am very aware Denise Bulger re-married and I am aware of her name as she writes for a woman's magazine that I subscribe to. I deliberately did not use her new married name for the benifit of our US, Australian, and Canadian members who may not have realised I was talking about Jamie's mother.
Put the newbie down????? Now that Is Pot, Kettle Black.
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benedine;1294204 wrote: If that was the case they would have killed themselves already and ended it all. What they did to james bulger was inexcusable, they tortured him for hours, lied to the few people who bothered to challenge them so they could keep their victim and torture him even more. they dropped him on his head, stood him up on a railway track half naked on a cold february day and stoned him half to death before stamping on his face, beating him with bricks and an iron bar. and then left him dying on a railway line with stones over his face.
whatever we think about standing up to the school bully, i guarantee you... to drop a 2 year old on his head, have him bleed profusely and be crying for his mother... and to then continue to torture him for a few more hours before beating him senseless. these two are evil to the core. For a 10 year old or a 30 year old this is behaviour that is beyond repair. They should not have gotten out of jail in the first place. Both are evil and if they truly regretted it they would have killed themselves already and saved the government some money. hopefully someone does the job on at least one of them in jail. they deserve nothing less.
Go back and actually read what I said, I said it was horrific. However I didn't personally choose to release them did I. I pondered on how they must actually feel now, living under cover and having to hide their horrific past.
oscar;1294236 wrote: Now Imagine If Jamie Bulger was your baby?????
I can imagine that and I really believe that them dying would actually be a cop out for them, all over hey, they wouldn't have to live with the guilt any more. Job done, revenge sought, an eye for eye. Nope I wouldn't actually want that.
whatever we think about standing up to the school bully, i guarantee you... to drop a 2 year old on his head, have him bleed profusely and be crying for his mother... and to then continue to torture him for a few more hours before beating him senseless. these two are evil to the core. For a 10 year old or a 30 year old this is behaviour that is beyond repair. They should not have gotten out of jail in the first place. Both are evil and if they truly regretted it they would have killed themselves already and saved the government some money. hopefully someone does the job on at least one of them in jail. they deserve nothing less.
Go back and actually read what I said, I said it was horrific. However I didn't personally choose to release them did I. I pondered on how they must actually feel now, living under cover and having to hide their horrific past.
oscar;1294236 wrote: Now Imagine If Jamie Bulger was your baby?????
I can imagine that and I really believe that them dying would actually be a cop out for them, all over hey, they wouldn't have to live with the guilt any more. Job done, revenge sought, an eye for eye. Nope I wouldn't actually want that.
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I'm very good to newbies.
Andy, this is your own thread to start with. Why you can't manage to stick to one for each topic instead of splurging I honestly don't know, but I do wish you'd concentrate sometimes.
Andy, this is your own thread to start with. Why you can't manage to stick to one for each topic instead of splurging I honestly don't know, but I do wish you'd concentrate sometimes.
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pantoandy;1294239 wrote: we appear to have posted the same thread but you beat me to it by 9 minutes.
so you must have posted while i was writing my column
come and see what the grumps has to say about it .
I think you were beaten to it by around 24 hours andy :wah:
so you must have posted while i was writing my column
come and see what the grumps has to say about it .
I think you were beaten to it by around 24 hours andy :wah:
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spot i wasnt even on the home page and was unaware of what EG was posting
so please dont accuse me of something i havent done
AAG
so please dont accuse me of something i havent done
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pantoandy;1294250 wrote: spot i wasnt even on the home page and was unaware of what EG was posting
so please dont accuse me of something i havent done
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My fault Andy - I've tried hard to tell the two of you apart but I never succeeded.
so please dont accuse me of something i havent done
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My fault Andy - I've tried hard to tell the two of you apart but I never succeeded.
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spot;1294246 wrote: I'm very good to newbies.
Andy, this is your own thread to start with. Why you can't manage to stick to one for each topic instead of splurging I honestly don't know, but I do wish you'd concentrate sometimes. Don't pick a fight with Andy. He like many people do not have hours In the day to trawl through every thread before posting a new one. He didn't do it deliberately so why Is it a problem for You?
If you bother to look, Andy's thread Is actually completely different to this one In that he Is asking If there Is a cover up by Gordon Brown and not what Venebles was returned to custody for, as this one Is.
Andy, this is your own thread to start with. Why you can't manage to stick to one for each topic instead of splurging I honestly don't know, but I do wish you'd concentrate sometimes. Don't pick a fight with Andy. He like many people do not have hours In the day to trawl through every thread before posting a new one. He didn't do it deliberately so why Is it a problem for You?
If you bother to look, Andy's thread Is actually completely different to this one In that he Is asking If there Is a cover up by Gordon Brown and not what Venebles was returned to custody for, as this one Is.
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oscar;1294256 wrote: Don't pick a fight with Andy. He like many people do not have hours In the day to trawl through every thread before posting a new one. He didn't do it deliberately so why Is it a problem for You?
If you bother to look, Andy's thread Is actually completely different to this one In that he Is asking If there Is a cover up by Gordon Brown and not what Venebles was returned to custody for, as this one Is.
spot;1294253 wrote: My fault Andy - I've tried hard to tell the two of you apart but I never succeeded.
Who is picking fights!! :rolleyes:
If you bother to look, Andy's thread Is actually completely different to this one In that he Is asking If there Is a cover up by Gordon Brown and not what Venebles was returned to custody for, as this one Is.
spot;1294253 wrote: My fault Andy - I've tried hard to tell the two of you apart but I never succeeded.
Who is picking fights!! :rolleyes:
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Betty Boop;1294245 wrote: Go back and actually read what I said, I said it was horrific. However I didn't personally choose to release them did I. I pondered on how they must actually feel now, living under cover and having to hide their horrific past.
I can imagine that and I really believe that them dying would actually be a cop out for them, all over hey, they wouldn't have to live with the guilt any more. Job done, revenge sought, an eye for eye. Nope I wouldn't actually want that.
You have posted agreeing with the new member that I am jumping to assumptions. Are you not doing the exact same thing here? You are jumping to the conclusion and assuming that the child who systematically tortured and killed a baby, has developed a Conscience during his 8 years re-hab?
I can imagine that and I really believe that them dying would actually be a cop out for them, all over hey, they wouldn't have to live with the guilt any more. Job done, revenge sought, an eye for eye. Nope I wouldn't actually want that.
You have posted agreeing with the new member that I am jumping to assumptions. Are you not doing the exact same thing here? You are jumping to the conclusion and assuming that the child who systematically tortured and killed a baby, has developed a Conscience during his 8 years re-hab?
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oscar;1294265 wrote: You have posted agreeing with the new member that I am jumping to assumptions. Are you not doing the exact same thing here? You are jumping to the conclusion and assuming that the child who systematically tortured and killed a baby, has developed a Conscience during his 8 years re-hab?
Not in the slightest - everybody bar you, Andy and benedine is trying very hard not to jump to conclusions. You in particular have been insisting, without evidence, that he must have committed a serious offense - even to the extent of insulting a new member who cannot, for reasons you should know better than most, reveal any details of inside knowledge.
Not in the slightest - everybody bar you, Andy and benedine is trying very hard not to jump to conclusions. You in particular have been insisting, without evidence, that he must have committed a serious offense - even to the extent of insulting a new member who cannot, for reasons you should know better than most, reveal any details of inside knowledge.
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Bryn Mawr;1294272 wrote: Not in the slightest - everybody bar you, Andy and benedine is trying very hard not to jump to conclusions. You in particular have been insisting, without evidence, that he must have committed a serious offense - even to the extent of insulting a new member who cannot, for reasons you should know better than most, reveal any details of inside knowledge. As you know Bryn... any-one can register here and claim to be any-one. It does not say we all have to believe them.
This from today's Mail.
Mr Straw insisted there was a 'very good reason' why the murdered toddler's family and the public could not be told why Venables was back in jail.
Read more: James Bulger killer Jon Venables returned to prison | Mail Online
In yesterdays Mail a QC was quoted as saying he believed the breach was of a serious nature.
I actually spent a fair bit of time last night googling to find a reason for sending him back to custody. I do hope It Is a Minor offence and he has not hurt anyone else. However, The assumptions I make are a reflection of the Public feeling yet the 'Public' are not all on thgis forum to express their view.
As for Insulting the newbie.. Do we have new rules here now?
The 'Newbie' Insulted me. It would have been perfectly acceptable for him or her to come on and say 'I am conected with the case and I can assure you he has not been returned to custody for a serious offence'. That would have been suffice to make the point.
This from today's Mail.
Mr Straw insisted there was a 'very good reason' why the murdered toddler's family and the public could not be told why Venables was back in jail.
Read more: James Bulger killer Jon Venables returned to prison | Mail Online
In yesterdays Mail a QC was quoted as saying he believed the breach was of a serious nature.
I actually spent a fair bit of time last night googling to find a reason for sending him back to custody. I do hope It Is a Minor offence and he has not hurt anyone else. However, The assumptions I make are a reflection of the Public feeling yet the 'Public' are not all on thgis forum to express their view.
As for Insulting the newbie.. Do we have new rules here now?
The 'Newbie' Insulted me. It would have been perfectly acceptable for him or her to come on and say 'I am conected with the case and I can assure you he has not been returned to custody for a serious offence'. That would have been suffice to make the point.
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oscar;1294265 wrote: You have posted agreeing with the new member that I am jumping to assumptions. Are you not doing the exact same thing here? You are jumping to the conclusion and assuming that the child who systematically tortured and killed a baby, has developed a Conscience during his 8 years re-hab?
Yes, I should imagine that 8 years of re-hab would cause the acceptance of responsibility, remorse and a full and thorough knowledge that what they did was wrong, that would be the whole point of rehab, yes?
Yes, I should imagine that 8 years of re-hab would cause the acceptance of responsibility, remorse and a full and thorough knowledge that what they did was wrong, that would be the whole point of rehab, yes?
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oscar;1294277 wrote: As you know Bryn... any-one can register here and claim to be any-one. It does not say we all have to believe them.
This from today's Mail.
Mr Straw insisted there was a 'very good reason' why the murdered toddler's family and the public could not be told why Venables was back in jail.
Read more: James Bulger killer Jon Venables returned to prison | Mail Online
In yesterdays Mail a QC was quoted as saying he believed the breach was of a serious nature.
I actually spent a fair bit of time last night googling to find a reason for sending him back to custody. I do hope It Is a Minor offence and he has not hurt anyone else. However, The assumptions I make are a reflection of the Public feeling yet the 'Public' are not all on thgis forum to express their view.
As for Insulting the newbie.. Do we have new rules here now?
The 'Newbie' Insulted me. It would have been perfectly acceptable for him or her to come on and say 'I am conected with the case and I can assure you he has not been returned to custody for a serious offence'. That would have been suffice to make the point.
You do not represent the public, you express your opinions which tend to be way right of centre and therefore not representative.
It was also perfectly reasonable for Limmy to mention that he was in the Probation Service as it is relevant to his having access to details of the breach of conditions that occurred.
As for a tabloid quoting a tame QC making assumptions with no facts to back them up, I wouldn't even waste the time taken to read it - soundbytes put there to sell copy.
This from today's Mail.
Mr Straw insisted there was a 'very good reason' why the murdered toddler's family and the public could not be told why Venables was back in jail.
Read more: James Bulger killer Jon Venables returned to prison | Mail Online
In yesterdays Mail a QC was quoted as saying he believed the breach was of a serious nature.
I actually spent a fair bit of time last night googling to find a reason for sending him back to custody. I do hope It Is a Minor offence and he has not hurt anyone else. However, The assumptions I make are a reflection of the Public feeling yet the 'Public' are not all on thgis forum to express their view.
As for Insulting the newbie.. Do we have new rules here now?
The 'Newbie' Insulted me. It would have been perfectly acceptable for him or her to come on and say 'I am conected with the case and I can assure you he has not been returned to custody for a serious offence'. That would have been suffice to make the point.
You do not represent the public, you express your opinions which tend to be way right of centre and therefore not representative.
It was also perfectly reasonable for Limmy to mention that he was in the Probation Service as it is relevant to his having access to details of the breach of conditions that occurred.
As for a tabloid quoting a tame QC making assumptions with no facts to back them up, I wouldn't even waste the time taken to read it - soundbytes put there to sell copy.
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Betty Boop;1294279 wrote: Yes, I should imagine that 8 years of re-hab would cause the acceptance of responsibility, remorse and a full and thorough knowledge that what they did was wrong, that would be the whole point of rehab, yes?
Presumably so. It Is well documented that Venebles was deeply troubled and from a 'Toxic' family Enviroment. Is 8 years enough to un-do the damage of the first ten years of his life. We only have the so called experts view on that.
I don't know If you saw a documentary a few nights ago called 'Why did you kill my dad'? It was bringing Into question the so called experts who deem the physcotic fit to live In the community only for them to randomly kill strangers.
I myself do not believe any probation officer or any other human being Is fit to pass judgement as to weather It is safe to let some-one back on the streets after they have murdered. The statistics of the mentally Ill re-offending are fairly high. It boils down to the fact that the public Is potentially put at risk based on a few people's assessment and this has been proved wrong many times.
Myself, I would rather see any-one who has killed spend at least 40 years In prison before release. 8 years Is a heck of a gamble to take with the public and the public have a right to know who they are living amongst. We do It with peadophiles. The risk to the public comes from the ridiculous nonsense of new Identities for killers at the tax payers expense. Every person In the UK has a right to know who they are living amongst and this Is typical of the namby Pamby Lefties who have put the rights of a child murderer before the rights of decent law abiding citizens.
If and I underline IF Venebles has commited another act, It totally trashes the namby pamby State who believe re-hab Is better than long prison terms. It also holds to account the so called experts who deemed him fit to live back In the Community. If he has commited another act, far more reaching questions will be raised to the Government In a crucial pre-Election Period. It will also call Into question the Proffessional ability of the so called experts who released him and God forbid one of them may lose their job. If this were any other case, everyone on this forum would be calling It a cover-up.
Presumably so. It Is well documented that Venebles was deeply troubled and from a 'Toxic' family Enviroment. Is 8 years enough to un-do the damage of the first ten years of his life. We only have the so called experts view on that.
I don't know If you saw a documentary a few nights ago called 'Why did you kill my dad'? It was bringing Into question the so called experts who deem the physcotic fit to live In the community only for them to randomly kill strangers.
I myself do not believe any probation officer or any other human being Is fit to pass judgement as to weather It is safe to let some-one back on the streets after they have murdered. The statistics of the mentally Ill re-offending are fairly high. It boils down to the fact that the public Is potentially put at risk based on a few people's assessment and this has been proved wrong many times.
Myself, I would rather see any-one who has killed spend at least 40 years In prison before release. 8 years Is a heck of a gamble to take with the public and the public have a right to know who they are living amongst. We do It with peadophiles. The risk to the public comes from the ridiculous nonsense of new Identities for killers at the tax payers expense. Every person In the UK has a right to know who they are living amongst and this Is typical of the namby Pamby Lefties who have put the rights of a child murderer before the rights of decent law abiding citizens.
If and I underline IF Venebles has commited another act, It totally trashes the namby pamby State who believe re-hab Is better than long prison terms. It also holds to account the so called experts who deemed him fit to live back In the Community. If he has commited another act, far more reaching questions will be raised to the Government In a crucial pre-Election Period. It will also call Into question the Proffessional ability of the so called experts who released him and God forbid one of them may lose their job. If this were any other case, everyone on this forum would be calling It a cover-up.
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