Mormon parents abduct my children

laurs25 · Post by **laurs25** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:13 am

My family are all strong in the mormon church. I have not been active for 10 years. I have four children, 3 that currently reside with my parents and 1 that lives with my partner and i. My 3 children that live with my parents are ages 6, 4 & 3. My daughter that lives with me is 2.

It all began when i had my last child 2 years ago, unfortunately i was diagnosed with post natal depression, i asked my parents to look after my 3 older children for a few weeks until i was better. My children went to my parents. I did not realise that my perfect parents had been making telephone calls and writing to social services and telling them huge lies in order for them to keep my children. i am currently in court fighting my own parents for my children. I have tried everything possible to get my children back, what more can i do, my wishes regarding my children are not listened to.

2 years ago my parents had no money but now that they have had social services backing them and giving them all the money they want, they have now got a 6 bed house 3 quater of a million pounds worth of house, plus an acre of land, a sports car, and executive car and a 8 seater toyota with dvd player in back of van. (I have a private investigater investigating social services at this moment in time.)

These people are suppose to be my loving "families can be together forever family."

I have recently had my name removed from all the church records and sent letters to the right peple to ask them to inform my parents that they are not to take my children to any of the church meetings or functions.

My oldest son is 6 my mother is saving up for his mission already!!

:-5

IT IS NICE TO BE IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO BE NICE!

pina · Post by **pina** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:33 am

Hi Laurs, ItÃ‚´s very sad that your parents are doing this. IÃ‚´m sure when some other FG members read this they will have better advice than I could give, I could only suggest to keep fighting for the kids and never give up.

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:07 pm

This is a shocking story....the in-humanity of it. Keep fighting and fighting for your kids...my thoughts are with you....where do you live by the way ??

laurs25 · Post by **laurs25** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:10 pm

I live in Watford Hertfordshire

:p :-2 :-3

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:14 pm

Forgive my skepticism.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:34 pm

So ONLY Mormon parents try to keep their grandkids from a parent suffering from post natal depression? Is that your point? It is the churches fault.......?

laurs25 · Post by **laurs25** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:08 pm

no i blame my parents for hiding behind the church and wearing masks to make themselves look better!

ProfessionalMoron · Post by **ProfessionalMoron** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:10 pm

Accountable wrote: Forgive my skepticism.

I am so inclined to agree with you. I only wish I knew more about mormons.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:31 pm

laurs25 wrote: no i blame my parents for hiding behind the church and wearing masks to make themselves look better!
So why the headline "Mormon parents abduct my children" and not

"Parents abduct my children"

Just seems like you are blaming a church and not the actual ones who are doing it.

They raised you, maybe they know something we don't know?

What was the level of your post natal depression? Was it "Baby Blue" or more severe?

There must be more than we have heard for them to have custody.

Were you suicidal?

What lies did they tell?

Social services bought your parents a house? HUH? Made them rich?

This all seems near fetched to me

Sorry...........

Post by **Betty Boop** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:38 pm

BTS wrote:

This all seems near fetched to me

Sorry...........

And me!!

People do not go from being 'Poor' to what your parents have in two years

Post-natal depression is terrible, who supported you through this and where are they now?

Have you got a Social Worker?? A Health Visitor??

laurs25 · Post by **laurs25** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:18 pm

so you are calling me a liar. i joined this forum and made the whole thing up did i, and why would i do that?

Just in case you did not realise it is a weird world and my parents have gone from poor to exactly that, but everyone has there own opinoins and that is up to you.

And for the person who says i blame the church, i do in a way, the church are supporting them too.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:21 pm

laurs25 wrote: so you are calling me a liar. i joined this forum and made the whole thing up did i, and why would i do that?

Just in case you did not realise it is a weird world and my parents have gone from poor to exactly that, but everyone has there own opinoins and that is up to you.

And for the person who says i blame the church, i do in a way, the church are supporting them too.

I'm not calling you a liar, but I find it hard to believe that the medical profession, social workers, your parents etc, would stop you having your children back if you're are fit and well again.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:21 pm

You cant blame Betty for being sceptical Laurs, it just sounds incredible that social services would fund your parents lifestyle this way.

It took me 6 months to get a Zimmer frame for my mom off social services!

Why on earth do you have a private investigator investigating social services?

Surely you would be better going to see your local mp or going to the news papers and highlighting these facts.

If it's true what you are saying (and no, i'm not calling you a liar) then its no wonder the country is in such a bloody state.

You said that your parents are members of the Mormon church, is it possible that they have helped them financially?

CountryDweller · Post by **CountryDweller** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:24 pm

What role does the father of your four children play in all this? You never mentioned him....

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:42 pm

Truth can be stranger than fiction. Goverment agencies have been known to screw up big time. I have a feeling laurs may feel that if her parents weren't Mormons, they wouldn't be doing this to her?

laurs25 · Post by **laurs25** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:24 pm

everyone is helping them. my 3 childrenthat live with my parents, their father walked out and left them. i have a daughter with my husband.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:32 pm

leaving out the word 'mormons' and the fact you are in UK which may well be very different than i am accustomed to vis-a-vis removing children from their mum, there has to be a rationale for the custody. there has to be a reason social services saw fit not to return them to you. in otherwords, what would they say was the reason you are 'unfit'?. there are two sides to this, which is why some are skeptical...nobody is accusing you of anything. but kids are not lightly removed from parents on either side of the pond.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:09 pm

Since you asked my I would be inclined to think you might be bitter towards your parents for not relinquishing your children upon demand. Is it possible they have the childrens welfare at heart ?

Post natal depression far too often ends up in dead children. I dont know if this is possible in your instance but it does happen.

The best thing in my opinion for is for you to quit the radical behavior and be a pillar of society, continue in therapy if youve been going, get professionals on your side then act accordingly. Good luck to you.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:39 pm

Hello Laurs. Welcome to the forum.

Sorry to hear about your problems. Have to say something seems fishy here. Did the social services contact you in any way to assess you? If not, then someone's lying. Can't see social funding a house like that, not even for three children. Someone else is funding them.

Have you spoken to your children at all?

Well, I hope you get them back.

laurs25 · Post by **laurs25** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:33 pm

You are not the only person that has said this, but unfortunately it does happen and it is happening to me and my family, everyone has an opinion, but there is a forum that is filled with mothers in th uk that are going through either the same or simlar situations, it is not unheard of, in fact there is always something in the newspapers these days about the SS.

The fact of this matter is that my local social services have aided and abetted my parents in kidnapping my children.

:-5 :-1 :-1 :-5

CountryDweller · Post by **CountryDweller** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:31 pm

Are you permitted any visitation with the children that are in your parents custody? SS usually sets up supervised visitation. I don't think they would keep you totally away.

hdfxsb83 · Post by **hdfxsb83** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:01 pm

i don't know how it works in the U.K. , but in the U.S.A. foster parenting pays very well . that is if your parents have been able to be considered foster parents . a foster parent who are on a list may get a call at any hour in the day or night . parents may be busted for drugs in the middle of the night , foster parents are called at that hour and asked to take in their children . as an example of a foster parent . thay get paid between 500.00 and 1,000.00 a month for each child , and they also get free medical care for the children and food stamps . having such a big house suddenly would explain it if they became foster parents . that is how they would be able to pay for it . also they may be planning on taking on a few more children . good income . it pays almost as well as opening a private nursing home . you have to have a house with several more bedrooms than you normally would . like your parents suddenly have . ss would not pay for that but , they probably aquired it on their own especially if they are now foster parents . check to see if that is the case . that is how they can make it very hard for you to regain custody of your children . being foster parents . if that is the case , usually to regain custody you may have to go parenting classes and go though therapy to prove you are now o-k . you don't need a P.I. what you need is a lawyer to assist you though the courts . he also can find out if your parents are indeed , considered foster parents . hope this helps . good luck to you .

laurs25 · Post by **laurs25** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:23 am

My parents are paid for everything. I think this is how they got their house, not only that, but my father wrote a letter to the social services department, the social services department sent this to other third parties outside of social services. I think that the social services department paid them a lump sum to keep their mouths shut about the letter, as my parents could od sued.

My parents get money for xmas and birthday, passports and holidays abroad, clothing, school uniforms,petrol money for taking my children out on trips, they also get a weekly rate paid for each child, furniure and replacement furniture.

What grandparents need to be paid to look after their own grandchildren.

A lot of other things have happpened, not only has the social services harrassed and threatened my family and I, they have not worked with me to reunite me with my children.

The social services have sent data protected information about my partner and i to third parties outside of social services.

I have all this evidence written or other, they are playing games with my children's lives.:-5 :rolleyes:

KritterLover · Post by **KritterLover** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:29 am

Sounds to me like your SS needs looked into and revise the rulings.

Do you have an attorney working for you?

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:30 am

I take it you have a solicitor on the case.

laurs25 · Post by **laurs25** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:33 am

of course i do, but he is not all that proactive, i have done all the leg work.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:37 am

laurs25 wrote: of course i do, but he is not all that proactive, i have done all the leg work.

Why are you still with that solicitor then??

Find a better one.

laurs25 · Post by **laurs25** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:39 am

i have tried to change him through the legal services but becuse i am on legal aid i have been informed that it would cost to much money to transfer my case to someone else!

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:43 am

Solicitors are great and do anything if you've got the money. But when you're on legal aid, you're expected to do all the hard work for them.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:44 am

laurs25 wrote: i have tried to change him through the legal services but becuse i am on legal aid i have been informed that it would cost to much money to transfer my case to someone else!

:mad: thats disgusting!! i didn't realise you couldn't change your solicitor because you are on Legal Aid.

laurs25 · Post by **laurs25** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:45 am

i think you can, but i think in my case is worth a lot of money and my solicitor refused to send my files to my prefered solicitor, so he managed to put a stop to the whole thing

Post by **Betty Boop** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:46 am

OpenMind wrote: Solicitors are great and do anything if you've got the money. But when you're on legal aid, you're expected to do all the hard work for them.

mmmm that explains my situation then, I'm currently on legal aid with divorce proceedings, but once I get my 'settlement' I assume I will have to foot my legal bill, my solicitor couldn't have been more helpful, but I guess she knows I will be paying in the long term anyway!!

laurs25 · Post by **laurs25** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:53 am

i think it would be different if i had money too, i would be represented properly and talked to as if i were a person and not some piece of turd they had just stepped on.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:57 am

I still think there has to be something else. There could be a Mormon working for SS or your parents may personally know someone in SS. There shouldhave been an enquiry. I hope you manage to root out this evil. More important, I hope you get your children back.

This whole thing makes me feel really angry.:yh_angry

laurs25 · Post by **laurs25** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:27 am

One of those social workers has been sacked and the other one has been demoted. These social workers became emotionally involved with my parents, i think that is what has happened, but it still isn't on.

I have a new social worker she is a christian, whether that makes any difference or not, i really don't know.:-5 :-5 :-5 :-5

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:31 am

There are always two sides to a story, and unfortunately we only have yours Laurs,

the way i see it is, your "Mormon" parents did'nt abduct your children, you placed them in their care until you was "better".

You make the SS sound like the Mafia, surely they only have the interest of your children in their minds!

In what way was you feeling unwell?

Do you see your children at all?

Does the SS ask to see the child you still have with you?

You seem very bitter towards the Mormon church, why's that?

laurs25 · Post by **laurs25** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:39 am

well thank you for your comments. But everyone has their won opinion. But i am afraid you are wrong, These things do happen and unfortunately they are happening to me and my family.

I have just emailed all the united kingdom Mp's thats how real it is dear.

If you do not have any genuine advice or support could you please no treply to my posts.:-5

some people just don't have a clue

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:57 am

laurs25 wrote: well thank you for your comments. But everyone has their won opinion. But i am afraid you are wrong, These things do happen and unfortunately they are happening to me and my family.

I have just emailed all the united kingdom Mp's thats how real it is dear.

If you do not have any genuine advice or support could you please no treply to my posts.:-5

some people just don't have a clueAbbey or anyone else can bloody well respond to any thread they wish...you put yourself out here for discussion. i would just cut to the chase and ask why you were deemed unfit. how did the post-natal depression manifest itself? were the children in danger?

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:06 am

laurs25 wrote: well thank you for your comments. But everyone has their won opinion. But i am afraid you are wrong, These things do happen and unfortunately they are happening to me and my family.

I have just emailed all the united kingdom Mp's thats how real it is dear.

If you do not have any genuine advice or support could you please no treply to my posts.:-5

some people just don't have a clueI take it from your post that you do not wish to answer any of the questions i posed??....oh well!

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:08 am

lady cop wrote: Abbey or anyone else can bloody well respond to any thread they wish...you put yourself out here for discussion. i would just cut to the chase and ask why you were deemed unfit. how did the post-natal depression manifest itself? were the children in danger? LC......

Post by **Betty Boop** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:29 am

laurs25 wrote: well thank you for your comments. But everyone has their won opinion. But i am afraid you are wrong, These things do happen and unfortunately they are happening to me and my family.

I have just emailed all the united kingdom Mp's thats how real it is dear.

If you do not have any genuine advice or support could you please no treply to my posts.:-5

some people just don't have a clue

We can't have any clues if you don't answer questions!!

Personally I don't think you'll get anywhere with all this anger.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:52 pm

laurs25 wrote: My parents are paid for everything. I think this is how they got their house, not only that, but my father wrote a letter to the social services department, the social services department sent this to other third parties outside of social services. I think that the social services department paid them a lump sum to keep their mouths shut about the letter, as my parents could od sued.

:-5 :rolleyes:

So Please .............Please..........laurs25

Show us ALL the letter ol POPS wrote,............ and who are the third party people u r refering to?

AND...........u say

"I think that the social services department paid them a lump sum to keep their mouths shut about the letter, as my parents could od sued".

Why could they have sued???????????? May I ask???

Also............ Where is the LDS church in ALL o" this????????????

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:38 pm

If Laurs is telling the truth, she will be distraught. Too distraught to argue logically. She is seeking sympathy since there's nothing much we can do for her. But this is not the place to find it since she is a newcomer and this is all heavy **** to start with in a forum like this one.

If she's making this all up, then, she's a sad individual indeed and it's hardly going to have much effect on a forum like this one. Not much point in replying if this is the case.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:10 pm

i may well be proven wrong, but why is it when i ask pointed and cut to the chase questions they never come back? this has happened many times here. like i said, perhaps i will be wrong this time.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:41 pm

Most likely because they're hiding something, LC.

Rapunzel · Post by **Rapunzel** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:54 pm

laurs25 wrote:

I have just emailed all the united kingdom Mp's

Laurs, it sounds to me as though you need to sit down and have a really long chat with someone about this. Your solicitor may not have the time and time is money to them. Have you tried talking to your local Citizens Advice Bureau? They will be able to find out things about your case from Social services that you probably wont be able to find out for yourself. Their phonelines are only open briefly and it can be hard to get an answer, so your best bet is to find out when they are open and go along and wait to talk to somebody. They can give a lot of help with problems and act on your behalf with Social Services.

The other suggestion I have for you is talking to Parentline Plus. They cannot become involved on your behalf but they can listen to you talk about all your problems and they will be 'there' for you. Best of all theirs is a freephone number and their service is open 24 hours a day.

Call 0808 800 2222.

This is a national number and will take you through to one of their nationwide offices. They are non judgemental and will help you talk things through until you feel calmer and happier within yourself and they will be able to make suggestions of things you might try.

You can also look at their website online which is sited at: www.parentlineplus.org.uk

If I were you I would phone them first to talk through yur feelings, then go to CAB to get more practical help.

I noticed above that you say you have emailed every MP in the land. Unfortunately the only MP who will deal with you is your local area MP - you can ask your local council who he or she is. None of the others will deal with you as you are not in their area. I understand you need some help with your situation, but you are spreading yourself thin and wont get any comeback from it.

Please follow my suggestions. The CAB will be the most practical help and will even come with you to your MP or to Social Services to help explain your point of view, if you would like them to. Parentline plus will preserve your annonimity and just allow you to talk - for hours if necessary. And talking really helps us to sort out our feelings. Best of luck and let us know how it goes.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:58 pm

Very sensible advice by Rapunzel. I would heed it Laurs.

sheryl_b · Post by **sheryl_b** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:39 am

I am a 23 yr old mum my son is currently in foster care he's been there for 7 months and has come to contacts with bruises he was so bad in august i refused to allow him to go back to the carer he had a total of 14 bruises the social services still returnd him to the same carer............ My contact was 3 hours one week and two hours the next............. now they've reduced my contact to ONE HOUR a week all because i care for my child and am trying to prosecute the carer for the marks on my son............This is all because they want to adopt him to another family :-5