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I would be interested in hearing what you think would happen if the U.S. got it's troops out of Afganistan--------what's a short and long term scenario?
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Lon;1301711 wrote: I would be interested in hearing what you think would happen if the U.S. got it's troops out of Afganistan--------what's a short and long term scenario?
My humble opinion is that we ( US and UK) should never have gone In there In the first place. We had nothing to gain but body bags containing dead troops. It's not like there's even any oil :sneaky:
Seriously, I think the country would see the Taliban take control If we all withdrew. Or The 'Valient Freedon Fighters' as Raegan called them when they were fighting the Ruskies. :sneaky:
No doubt Opium production would rise again and flood the Western Countries and that would be some-thing to deal with as and when It happens. Myself, I would like to see The West give aid to Afghan so farmers have an alternative to opium production and Improve schooling etc.
My humble opinion is that we ( US and UK) should never have gone In there In the first place. We had nothing to gain but body bags containing dead troops. It's not like there's even any oil :sneaky:
Seriously, I think the country would see the Taliban take control If we all withdrew. Or The 'Valient Freedon Fighters' as Raegan called them when they were fighting the Ruskies. :sneaky:
No doubt Opium production would rise again and flood the Western Countries and that would be some-thing to deal with as and when It happens. Myself, I would like to see The West give aid to Afghan so farmers have an alternative to opium production and Improve schooling etc.
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The Taliban would be back in short order as low level local elements of their organization are still there and operating.
Once they resumed national control, Al Qaeda would move back in to their safe harbor.
We would be right back to where we were in the 1990's in short order.
Once they resumed national control, Al Qaeda would move back in to their safe harbor.
We would be right back to where we were in the 1990's in short order.
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Lon;1301711 wrote: I would be interested in hearing what you think would happen if the U.S. got it's troops out of Afghanistan--------what's a short and long term scenario?
Like the US is the only country there ?
Like the US is the only country there ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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The Taliban return with a vengeance and wreak havoc on what little civilization there is in the country, and the deaths of all those British and American men and women, as well as the deaths of thousand of Afghan and other NATO allies would have been wasted completely.
Afghans will lose what little faith they have in US and British character.
Our children or grandchildren will then have to deal with the consequences of our failure to resolve the problem.
I cannot believe that our "leaders" are discussing a deal with those low-lifes.
And BTW, Oscar. The Taliban had little to do with the fight against the Russians. Well, other than being the children that we abandoned to the Islam fundamentalists after the Russians left Afghanistan.
And I agree that we should probably have never gone there to start with, but once you're in the fight, you gotta see it through.
Afghans will lose what little faith they have in US and British character.
Our children or grandchildren will then have to deal with the consequences of our failure to resolve the problem.
I cannot believe that our "leaders" are discussing a deal with those low-lifes.
And BTW, Oscar. The Taliban had little to do with the fight against the Russians. Well, other than being the children that we abandoned to the Islam fundamentalists after the Russians left Afghanistan.
And I agree that we should probably have never gone there to start with, but once you're in the fight, you gotta see it through.
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Bruv;1301730 wrote: Like the US is the only country there ?
Of course not, but I was not asking about other countries.
Of course not, but I was not asking about other countries.
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DrLeftover;1301720 wrote: The Taliban would be back in short order as low level local elements of their organization are still there and operating.
Once they resumed national control, Al Qaeda would move back in to their safe harbor.
We would be right back to where we were in the 1990's in short order.
To Leftover and Oscar---------OK----so the Taliban/Al Queda/ resumes national control-----how will that affect your country adversely? And, if poppy growing and distribution continues to flourish how will that affect your country?
Once they resumed national control, Al Qaeda would move back in to their safe harbor.
We would be right back to where we were in the 1990's in short order.
To Leftover and Oscar---------OK----so the Taliban/Al Queda/ resumes national control-----how will that affect your country adversely? And, if poppy growing and distribution continues to flourish how will that affect your country?
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Lon;1301737 wrote: To Leftover and Oscar---------OK----so the Taliban/Al Queda/ resumes national control-----how will that affect your country adversely? And, if poppy growing and distribution continues to flourish how will that affect your country?
The Golden Route: opium's journey from Afghanistan into Pakistan and then into eastern Iran
The answer Is to cut off the route.
Al-Quada are not limited to one country. Money should also be Invested In Intelligence to track down key leaders and training camps.
The Golden Route: opium's journey from Afghanistan into Pakistan and then into eastern Iran
The answer Is to cut off the route.
Al-Quada are not limited to one country. Money should also be Invested In Intelligence to track down key leaders and training camps.
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The unemployment rate in the USA would rise. And the killing would continue just fine without us.
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I just don't ever see Al Queda/Taliban/training camps/leaders being eliminated. New camps and leaders will always surface somewhere. You would have to eliminate all of Islam and it's components----------and that just ain't gonna happen.
As for poppies (drugs)--------as long as they are illegal, the drug trade will continue to flourish.
Meanwhile--------billions are being spent, thousands are dying and being killed, all in an attempt to solve a insoluble problem.
As for poppies (drugs)--------as long as they are illegal, the drug trade will continue to flourish.
Meanwhile--------billions are being spent, thousands are dying and being killed, all in an attempt to solve a insoluble problem.
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Lon;1301750 wrote: I just don't ever see Al Queda/Taliban/training camps/leaders being eliminated. New camps and leaders will always surface somewhere. You would have to eliminate all of Islam and it's components----------and that just ain't gonna happen.
As for poppies (drugs)--------as long as they are illegal, the drug trade will continue to flourish.
Meanwhile--------billions are being spent, thousands are dying and being killed, all in an attempt to solve a insoluble problem. The Mind-set of the Islamic Extremist Is that they have been served an Injustice by the West worthy of Retribution In the name of Allah. If we stop Invading Soveriegn States for oil, their grievences would be lessened making recruitment to Al-Quada more difficult.
As for poppies (drugs)--------as long as they are illegal, the drug trade will continue to flourish.
Meanwhile--------billions are being spent, thousands are dying and being killed, all in an attempt to solve a insoluble problem. The Mind-set of the Islamic Extremist Is that they have been served an Injustice by the West worthy of Retribution In the name of Allah. If we stop Invading Soveriegn States for oil, their grievences would be lessened making recruitment to Al-Quada more difficult.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Lon;1301711 wrote: I would be interested in hearing what you think would happen if the U.S. got it's troops out of Afganistan--------what's a short and long term scenario?
Less people would die. Short term and long.
Less people would die. Short term and long.
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oscar;1301752 wrote: The mind-set of the Islamic Extremist is that they have been served an injustice by the West worthy of retribution in the name of Allah. If we stop invading sovereign states for oil, their grievances would be lessened making recruitment to Al-Quada more difficult.
That is the most sensible thing I have ever heard you say.
Has their 'mindset' any foundation ?
Would they be termed 'extremist' without some provocation ?
That is the most sensible thing I have ever heard you say.
Has their 'mindset' any foundation ?
Would they be termed 'extremist' without some provocation ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Lon;1301711 wrote: I would be interested in hearing what you think would happen if the U.S. got it's troops out of Afganistan--------what's a short and long term scenario?
what would happen?.....well if UK troops were out before them then i would be happy
personnally id just nuke the whole sorry place.....and jobs a good 'un!
and as for drug production.....i read a report only the other day that ISAF presence in A-stan has made very little impact on production in the last few years
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what would happen?.....well if UK troops were out before them then i would be happy
personnally id just nuke the whole sorry place.....and jobs a good 'un!
and as for drug production.....i read a report only the other day that ISAF presence in A-stan has made very little impact on production in the last few years
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The only thing that ever had a major reduction of Heroin production in Afghanistan was the Taliban declaring it unIslamic and cracking down on the trade, it dropped 90% as a result. The organizers of the trade were then and still are are the drug barons of the Northern Alliance, and they're the ones the US selected to form the current government.
As to whether the Taliban will feel aggrieved with the West once they resume control across Afghanistan, just ask yourself whether you would in their position. They were legitimately governing with a majority of the country behind them. Once the Western troops leave they'll do the same again, on the same basis, simply because the majority of Afghans want that. All the fudging of elections and banning of candidates since the invasion, as in Iraq, has been a prevention of majority rule.
The effect on the US, should they finally withdraw, is that they might perhaps get on with policing their borders instead of killing foreigners. They might save a lot of money by ramping down the size of their military expenditure too, preferably by a factor of ten rather than some token 5%. Banning all state and charitable aid payments from leaving the US would bring worldwide benefits too.
A few slogans would help. America for the Americans, that's a good one. Afghanistan for the Afghans.
As to whether the Taliban will feel aggrieved with the West once they resume control across Afghanistan, just ask yourself whether you would in their position. They were legitimately governing with a majority of the country behind them. Once the Western troops leave they'll do the same again, on the same basis, simply because the majority of Afghans want that. All the fudging of elections and banning of candidates since the invasion, as in Iraq, has been a prevention of majority rule.
The effect on the US, should they finally withdraw, is that they might perhaps get on with policing their borders instead of killing foreigners. They might save a lot of money by ramping down the size of their military expenditure too, preferably by a factor of ten rather than some token 5%. Banning all state and charitable aid payments from leaving the US would bring worldwide benefits too.
A few slogans would help. America for the Americans, that's a good one. Afghanistan for the Afghans.
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Bruv;1301730 wrote: Like the US is the only country there ?
some people forget that there are so many nations contributing to ISAF.........i am continuously pointing this out to some American friends on another board.....it really pisses me off when they are always ridiculing the French til i point out that currently the French Air Force is a key component of the air support element out there.......when the French Army lost a few in that ambush a few months back the yanks didnt even realise the French were out there
it ****ing annoyed me to such a point that i started a thread and continuolsy post pics of ISAF forces in Iraq and A-stan but exclude US forces just so they can see there are other Nations out there............i especially post pics of the fallen being repatriated to thier home countries for burial...nothing better than seeing coffins draped with union jack/french,german,italian,spanish tri colour/ozzie southern star/canadian maple leaf flags to bring home that they are not the only ones out there
contribution to ISAF
United States 50,590 56.540%
( European Union)* (30,894) (34.528%)
United Kingdom* 9,500 10.617%
Germany* 4,335 4.845%
France* 3,750 4.191%
Italy* 3,160 3.532%
Canada 2,830 3.163%
Poland* 2,140 2.392%
Netherlands* 1,880 2.101%
Turkey 1,835 2.051%
Australia 1,550 1.732%
Spain* 1,075 1.201%
Romania* 970 1.084%
Denmark* 750 0.838%
Belgium* 560 0.626%
Bulgaria* 525 0.587%
Norway 470 0.525%
Czech Republic* 455 0.509%
Sweden* 410 0.458%
Hungary* 310 0.346%
Croatia 270 0.302%
Albania 250 0.279%
Slovakia* 230 0.257%
Lithuania* 220 0.246%
New Zealand 220 0.246%
Georgia 175 0.196%
Latvia* 170 0.190%
Macedonia 165 0.184%
Estonia* 145 0.162%
Portugal* 110 0.123%
Finland* 95 0.106%
Azerbaijan 90 0.104%
Slovenia* 70 0.078%
Armenia 40 0.045%
Singapore 40 0.045%
United Arab Emirates 25 0.028%
Greece* 15 0.017%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 10 0.011%
Luxembourg* 9 0.010%
Ukraine 8 0.009%
Ireland* 7 0.008%
Jordan 6 0.007%
Iceland 4 0.004%
Montenegro 4 0.004%
Austria* 3 0.003%
another thing that pisses me off is when they start gong on about how other nations should do more.......well how about realising that most countries are not as rich as the US and cant spend any where near as much as they do......also a lot of countries do not have the backing from 'the people' and if they did contribute it would lead to politcal problems in thier own country.....and when you get countries like, for example, denmark or belguim contributing over 600 personel that should be recognised as that is a very significant contribution for a very small country with a very small armed forces...some countries are actually prohibited by their 'constitution' from contributing combat troops.........but people forget they contribute in other ways.....Japan for example supplied medical and air lift elements, and they had to rewrite thier constituon just so they could!......caused all sorts of porblems in Japan a few years back
why not try asking central/southern american nations for help?.....oh yeah...its cos they are not interested in being involved and would tell Obama where to shove his request
some people forget that there are so many nations contributing to ISAF.........i am continuously pointing this out to some American friends on another board.....it really pisses me off when they are always ridiculing the French til i point out that currently the French Air Force is a key component of the air support element out there.......when the French Army lost a few in that ambush a few months back the yanks didnt even realise the French were out there
it ****ing annoyed me to such a point that i started a thread and continuolsy post pics of ISAF forces in Iraq and A-stan but exclude US forces just so they can see there are other Nations out there............i especially post pics of the fallen being repatriated to thier home countries for burial...nothing better than seeing coffins draped with union jack/french,german,italian,spanish tri colour/ozzie southern star/canadian maple leaf flags to bring home that they are not the only ones out there
contribution to ISAF
United States 50,590 56.540%
( European Union)* (30,894) (34.528%)
United Kingdom* 9,500 10.617%
Germany* 4,335 4.845%
France* 3,750 4.191%
Italy* 3,160 3.532%
Canada 2,830 3.163%
Poland* 2,140 2.392%
Netherlands* 1,880 2.101%
Turkey 1,835 2.051%
Australia 1,550 1.732%
Spain* 1,075 1.201%
Romania* 970 1.084%
Denmark* 750 0.838%
Belgium* 560 0.626%
Bulgaria* 525 0.587%
Norway 470 0.525%
Czech Republic* 455 0.509%
Sweden* 410 0.458%
Hungary* 310 0.346%
Croatia 270 0.302%
Albania 250 0.279%
Slovakia* 230 0.257%
Lithuania* 220 0.246%
New Zealand 220 0.246%
Georgia 175 0.196%
Latvia* 170 0.190%
Macedonia 165 0.184%
Estonia* 145 0.162%
Portugal* 110 0.123%
Finland* 95 0.106%
Azerbaijan 90 0.104%
Slovenia* 70 0.078%
Armenia 40 0.045%
Singapore 40 0.045%
United Arab Emirates 25 0.028%
Greece* 15 0.017%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 10 0.011%
Luxembourg* 9 0.010%
Ukraine 8 0.009%
Ireland* 7 0.008%
Jordan 6 0.007%
Iceland 4 0.004%
Montenegro 4 0.004%
Austria* 3 0.003%
another thing that pisses me off is when they start gong on about how other nations should do more.......well how about realising that most countries are not as rich as the US and cant spend any where near as much as they do......also a lot of countries do not have the backing from 'the people' and if they did contribute it would lead to politcal problems in thier own country.....and when you get countries like, for example, denmark or belguim contributing over 600 personel that should be recognised as that is a very significant contribution for a very small country with a very small armed forces...some countries are actually prohibited by their 'constitution' from contributing combat troops.........but people forget they contribute in other ways.....Japan for example supplied medical and air lift elements, and they had to rewrite thier constituon just so they could!......caused all sorts of porblems in Japan a few years back
why not try asking central/southern american nations for help?.....oh yeah...its cos they are not interested in being involved and would tell Obama where to shove his request
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some somber reading....
A-stan
iCasualties | Operation Iraqi Freedom | Iraq | Fatalities By Nationality
iCasualties | OEF | Afghanistan | Fatalities Details
Iraq
http://icasualties.org/Iraq/Nationality.aspx
R.I.P. the fallen
A-stan
iCasualties | Operation Iraqi Freedom | Iraq | Fatalities By Nationality
iCasualties | OEF | Afghanistan | Fatalities Details
Iraq
http://icasualties.org/Iraq/Nationality.aspx
R.I.P. the fallen
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beowulf;1301852 wrote: why not try asking central/southern american nations for help?.....oh yeah...its cos they are not interested in being involved and would tell Obama where to shove his request
They have rather more experience of the meaning of interference in the internal affairs of sovereign nations. Being, as they are, closer to the source of the problem. I notice there's no Vietnamese contingent in Afghanistan either.
They have rather more experience of the meaning of interference in the internal affairs of sovereign nations. Being, as they are, closer to the source of the problem. I notice there's no Vietnamese contingent in Afghanistan either.
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Bruv;1301841 wrote: That is the most sensible thing I have ever heard you say.
Has their 'mindset' any foundation ?
Would they be termed 'extremist' without some provocation ? Some extremists take the word of the Koran to kill the Infidels to Allah ( The West ) to the Max the same as some Christians take the word of the Bible, an eye for an eye but all the time the West continue's to meddle In lands that have no relevence to us other than oil, those Extremists have a rallying call to the young Impressionable who they are able to recruit to their cause. Take away the Injustice and recruitment falls. However, we have caused so much damage In the ME that Al-Quada will see the Injustice probably for centuries to come. Any future attacks on the West need people to look at what we have done and not the other way round. We can not change It now as the damage Is done. Tony Blair Is responsible for the Increased recruitment to Al-Quada.
Has their 'mindset' any foundation ?
Would they be termed 'extremist' without some provocation ? Some extremists take the word of the Koran to kill the Infidels to Allah ( The West ) to the Max the same as some Christians take the word of the Bible, an eye for an eye but all the time the West continue's to meddle In lands that have no relevence to us other than oil, those Extremists have a rallying call to the young Impressionable who they are able to recruit to their cause. Take away the Injustice and recruitment falls. However, we have caused so much damage In the ME that Al-Quada will see the Injustice probably for centuries to come. Any future attacks on the West need people to look at what we have done and not the other way round. We can not change It now as the damage Is done. Tony Blair Is responsible for the Increased recruitment to Al-Quada.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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spot;1301851 wrote: The only thing that ever had a major reduction of Heroin production in Afghanistan was the Taliban declaring it unIslamic and cracking down on the trade, it dropped 90% as a result. The organizers of the trade were then and still are are the drug barons of the Northern Alliance, and they're the ones the US selected to form the current government.
As to whether the Taliban will feel aggrieved with the West once they resume control across Afghanistan, just ask yourself whether you would in their position. They were legitimately governing with a majority of the country behind them. Once the Western troops leave they'll do the same again, on the same basis, simply because the majority of Afghans want that. All the fudging of elections and banning of candidates since the invasion, as in Iraq, has been a prevention of majority rule.
The effect on the US, should they finally withdraw, is that they might perhaps get on with policing their borders instead of killing foreigners. They might save a lot of money by ramping down the size of their military expenditure too, preferably by a factor of ten rather than some token 5%. Banning all state and charitable aid payments from leaving the US would bring worldwide benefits too.
A few slogans would help. America for the Americans, that's a good one. Afghanistan for the Afghans.
Yea verily!
As to whether the Taliban will feel aggrieved with the West once they resume control across Afghanistan, just ask yourself whether you would in their position. They were legitimately governing with a majority of the country behind them. Once the Western troops leave they'll do the same again, on the same basis, simply because the majority of Afghans want that. All the fudging of elections and banning of candidates since the invasion, as in Iraq, has been a prevention of majority rule.
The effect on the US, should they finally withdraw, is that they might perhaps get on with policing their borders instead of killing foreigners. They might save a lot of money by ramping down the size of their military expenditure too, preferably by a factor of ten rather than some token 5%. Banning all state and charitable aid payments from leaving the US would bring worldwide benefits too.
A few slogans would help. America for the Americans, that's a good one. Afghanistan for the Afghans.
Yea verily!
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LarsMac;1301733 wrote: And I agree that we should probably have never gone there to start with, but once you're in the fight, you gotta see it through.Why did the US pull out of Vietnam? Should they have stayed, instead of pulling out? Once you're in the fight, you gotta see it through?
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.