Enough of this BS
Enough of this BS
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Enough of this BS
hoppy;1308514 wrote: Teens Sent Home for Wearing American Flag T-Shirts | Badeau P.O.V. | Comcast.net
I agree with you hoppy I would have sent them home as well. They'd quite blatantly mocked "Cinco de Mayo" in a particularly rude manner.
"Enough" of those little smart *** twits is right!
I agree with you hoppy I would have sent them home as well. They'd quite blatantly mocked "Cinco de Mayo" in a particularly rude manner.
"Enough" of those little smart *** twits is right!
Enough of this BS
K.Snyder;1308541 wrote: I agree with you hoppy I would have sent them home as well. They'd quite blatantly mocked "Cinco de Mayo" in a particularly rude manner.
"Enough" of those little smart *** twits is right!
They are in America. I stand behind them and support them 100%.
"Enough" of those little smart *** twits is right!
They are in America. I stand behind them and support them 100%.
Enough of this BS
Peg;1308555 wrote: They are in America. I stand behind them and support them 100%.
Not to appear pedantic when I correct you but they were and currently are in/on Earth.
Cinco de Mayo (Spanish for "fifth of May") is a holiday held on May 5 that commemorates the Mexican army's unlikely victory over French forces at the Battle of Puebla on May 5, 1862, under the leadership of General Ignacio Zaragoza Seguín. It is celebrated primarily in the state of Puebla and in the United States. While Cinco de Mayo sees limited significance and celebration nationwide in Mexico, the date is observed nationwide in the United States and other locations around the world as a celebration of Mexican heritage and pride.[8] Cinco de Mayo is not Mexico's Independence Day,[9] the most important national patriotic holiday in Mexico. Cinco de Mayo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Cinco de Mayo is a celebration "that commemorates the Mexican army's unlikely victory over French forces at the Battle of Puebla on May 5, 1862" it's not a damn peculiarly Mexican flag waving day. The instance of those damn twits wearing red, white, and blue only shows their ignorance, in a school mind you, as well as shows how rude and offensively spiteful their virtue is.
And if I wore a Brazil futbol shirt in America I'd get stoned?
F that!
The twits need an education. I don't suppose a history lesson is on their itinerary at all...
Perhaps cynical? I doubt it that's why I entered this thread.
Not to appear pedantic when I correct you but they were and currently are in/on Earth.
Cinco de Mayo (Spanish for "fifth of May") is a holiday held on May 5 that commemorates the Mexican army's unlikely victory over French forces at the Battle of Puebla on May 5, 1862, under the leadership of General Ignacio Zaragoza Seguín. It is celebrated primarily in the state of Puebla and in the United States. While Cinco de Mayo sees limited significance and celebration nationwide in Mexico, the date is observed nationwide in the United States and other locations around the world as a celebration of Mexican heritage and pride.[8] Cinco de Mayo is not Mexico's Independence Day,[9] the most important national patriotic holiday in Mexico. Cinco de Mayo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Cinco de Mayo is a celebration "that commemorates the Mexican army's unlikely victory over French forces at the Battle of Puebla on May 5, 1862" it's not a damn peculiarly Mexican flag waving day. The instance of those damn twits wearing red, white, and blue only shows their ignorance, in a school mind you, as well as shows how rude and offensively spiteful their virtue is.
And if I wore a Brazil futbol shirt in America I'd get stoned?
F that!
The twits need an education. I don't suppose a history lesson is on their itinerary at all...
Perhaps cynical? I doubt it that's why I entered this thread.Enough of this BS
Would be like suggesting Americans celebrating the 4th of July in another country only to see people, in an unusual way, flaunting their own countries colors and flags out of spite. Bet "you" "Americans" would be lined up p****** and m****** about how rude and prejudice those people were for not showing empathy. BAH! :yh_sick
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i thhink so too
Enough of this BS
Maybe they should go back to Mexico and take back their own country, rather than sneak into another country and turn it into the same kind of sh!thole they ran away from.
Enough of this BS
Maaxine says-
We need to show more sympathy for these people.
* They travel miles in the heat.
* They risk their lives crossing a border.
* They don't get paid enough wages.
* They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.
* They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
* They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day ~ every day.
I'm not talking about illegal Mexicans ~ I'm talking about our troops! Doesn't it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops, and are even threatening to defund them?
We need to show more sympathy for these people.
* They travel miles in the heat.
* They risk their lives crossing a border.
* They don't get paid enough wages.
* They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.
* They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
* They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day ~ every day.
I'm not talking about illegal Mexicans ~ I'm talking about our troops! Doesn't it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops, and are even threatening to defund them?
Enough of this BS
K.Snyder;1308560 wrote: Would be like suggesting Americans celebrating the 4th of July in another country only to see people, in an unusual way, flaunting their own countries colors and flags out of spite. Bet "you" "Americans" would be lined up p****** and m****** about how rude and prejudice those people were for not showing empathy. BAH! :yh_sick
BS. First off, I think it would be rude for an American to celebrate the 4th of July in any other country. I can just about guarantee you that if Mexicans, Irish, British or any other country were to were a shirt of their flag on the 4th of July absolutely nothing would be done. And nothing should be done.
BS. First off, I think it would be rude for an American to celebrate the 4th of July in any other country. I can just about guarantee you that if Mexicans, Irish, British or any other country were to were a shirt of their flag on the 4th of July absolutely nothing would be done. And nothing should be done.
Enough of this BS
K.Snyder;1308560 wrote: Would be like suggesting Americans celebrating the 4th of July in another country only to see people, in an unusual way, flaunting their own countries colors and flags out of spite. Bet "you" "Americans" would be lined up p****** and m****** about how rude and prejudice those people were for not showing empathy. BAH! :yh_sick
I actually don’t agree with you on this.
Even though over here many Americans celebrate the 4th of July, and I totally respect and tolerate them putting up American flags in our canteen and decorating the tables in red white and blue even though we are not in the United States, I would have a real issue if I was sent home for wearing a t-shirt with something Irish on it.
In this case, there may be some who are sensitive, or they may be just being rude, but they are in America and have every right to wear an American t-shirt no matter what the event is.
I actually don’t agree with you on this.
Even though over here many Americans celebrate the 4th of July, and I totally respect and tolerate them putting up American flags in our canteen and decorating the tables in red white and blue even though we are not in the United States, I would have a real issue if I was sent home for wearing a t-shirt with something Irish on it.
In this case, there may be some who are sensitive, or they may be just being rude, but they are in America and have every right to wear an American t-shirt no matter what the event is.
Enough of this BS
hoppy;1308627 wrote: Maybe they should go back to Mexico and take back their own country, rather than sneak into another country and turn it into the same kind of sh!thole they ran away from.
Maybe when they are enough of them they will have a vote and make new mexico and texas part of mexico again. Maybe in time for the hundredth anniversary of new mexico and arizona joining the union. Mind you I think that is one of those wild conspiracy theories I read somewhere along with the one about how muslims want to destroy the american way of life and introduce sharia law.:sneaky:
Maybe when they are enough of them they will have a vote and make new mexico and texas part of mexico again. Maybe in time for the hundredth anniversary of new mexico and arizona joining the union. Mind you I think that is one of those wild conspiracy theories I read somewhere along with the one about how muslims want to destroy the american way of life and introduce sharia law.:sneaky:
Enough of this BS
YZGI;1308655 wrote: BS. First off, I think it would be rude for an American to celebrate the 4th of July in any other country. I can just about guarantee you that if Mexicans, Irish, British or any other country were to were a shirt of their flag on the 4th of July absolutely nothing would be done. And nothing should be done.
I don’t think it is rude for a country to celebrate their heritage when abroad. Many companies here in Ireland are US companies, so it is normal for the 4th to be celebrated to some degree. Americans are liked you know.
I don’t think it is rude for a country to celebrate their heritage when abroad. Many companies here in Ireland are US companies, so it is normal for the 4th to be celebrated to some degree. Americans are liked you know.
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Is it a flag or a middle finger? Symbols don't really mean anything on their own, it is the intent behind them.
Anyways, if we are going to be conservative, you are not supposed to put flags on shirts. It desecrates them. If they get soiled you are supposed to burn them. Of course, being a conservative that values the flag as a symbol of blood and not a cheap gimmick to sell shirts with, you already knew this.
Anyways, if we are going to be conservative, you are not supposed to put flags on shirts. It desecrates them. If they get soiled you are supposed to burn them. Of course, being a conservative that values the flag as a symbol of blood and not a cheap gimmick to sell shirts with, you already knew this.
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You know the daftest thing - Europe decreed that key fobs that had a logo, or country flag on it, would not be allowed as they considered these symbols to be a form of tribalism ! That's Brussels for you, and that's what we Brits have to deal with....... :yh_rotfl
:yh_rotflI'm a Saga-lout, growing old disgracefully
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G#Gill;1308679 wrote: You know the daftest thing - Europe decreed that key fobs that had a logo, or country flag on it, would not be allowed as they considered these symbols to be a form of tribalism ! That's Brussels for you, and that's what we Brits have to deal with....... :yh_rotfl
That's a new one. Do you actually have confirmation or are you a closet daily mail reader? It's up there with banning the European cup because it encourages tribalism.
:yh_rotflThat's a new one. Do you actually have confirmation or are you a closet daily mail reader? It's up there with banning the European cup because it encourages tribalism.
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Peg;1308555 wrote: They are in America. I stand behind them and support them 100%.
I'm completely on your side, hoppy. How dare ANYONE punish an American for being proud of America?!! Just for that, I'm going to have all my students say the Pledge of Allegiance on Cinco De Mayo next year and I, myself, am going to wear a flag pin!!:mad:
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I'm completely on your side, hoppy. How dare ANYONE punish an American for being proud of America?!! Just for that, I'm going to have all my students say the Pledge of Allegiance on Cinco De Mayo next year and I, myself, am going to wear a flag pin!!:mad:
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mikeinie;1308672 wrote: would have a real issue if I was sent home for wearing a t-shirt with something Irish on it.
they are in America and have every right to wear an American t-shirt no matter what the event is.
Bingo.....
they are in America and have every right to wear an American t-shirt no matter what the event is.
Bingo.....
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Saint_;1308689 wrote: I'm completely on your side, hoppy. How dare ANYONE punish an American for being proud of America?!! Just for that, I'm going to have all my students say the Pledge of Allegiance on Cinco De Mayo next year and I, myself, am going to wear a flag pin!!:mad:
So in other words, you are planning to **** on their holiday? You have all year to do this, but are singling out their one day of cultural pride?
It won't accomplish anything other than possibly rubbing salt in the wounds of the new racial profiling laws, and maybe getting some kid's teeth knocked out in a fight.
Our goal should be to ease the racial tensions, not to inflame them. Once we have a fire raging, it might not be a fun as we expected.
So in other words, you are planning to **** on their holiday? You have all year to do this, but are singling out their one day of cultural pride?
It won't accomplish anything other than possibly rubbing salt in the wounds of the new racial profiling laws, and maybe getting some kid's teeth knocked out in a fight.
Our goal should be to ease the racial tensions, not to inflame them. Once we have a fire raging, it might not be a fun as we expected.
Enough of this BS
yaaarrrgg;1308693 wrote: So in other words, you are planning to **** on their holiday?
Those wouldn't be "other words" those would be "your words."
You have all year to do this, but are singling out their one day of cultural pride?
Excellent point, but I plan to do it ALL YEAR so that it's a normal procedure. I happen to think that the Pledge of Allegiance is a good thing for people, especially young people. It's important to remember that you are a part of the UNITED States of America.
It won't accomplish anything other than possibly rubbing salt in the wounds of the new racial profiling laws, and maybe getting some kid's teeth knocked out in a fight.
1. On the contrary, I think it will do for them what it did for me: remind me of the great nation of which I am a part and the principles for which it stands.
2. Threats of violence have NEVER stopped me from doing what is right. That's how terrorists would like us to behave and is the root problem of this incident. It was right for a student to be proud of his country ON ANY DAY of the year. It is not a crime to show the flag of your country.
Our goal should be to ease the racial tensions, not to inflame them.
This incident had nothing to do with race and everything to do with patriotism.
Once we have a fire raging, it might not be a fun as we expected.
Well, by your logic the right course would be to make sure that we never express any pride in our country or its flag.
What is WRONG with you?:-5
Don't you like being American?:-3
Those wouldn't be "other words" those would be "your words."
You have all year to do this, but are singling out their one day of cultural pride?
Excellent point, but I plan to do it ALL YEAR so that it's a normal procedure. I happen to think that the Pledge of Allegiance is a good thing for people, especially young people. It's important to remember that you are a part of the UNITED States of America.
It won't accomplish anything other than possibly rubbing salt in the wounds of the new racial profiling laws, and maybe getting some kid's teeth knocked out in a fight.
1. On the contrary, I think it will do for them what it did for me: remind me of the great nation of which I am a part and the principles for which it stands.
2. Threats of violence have NEVER stopped me from doing what is right. That's how terrorists would like us to behave and is the root problem of this incident. It was right for a student to be proud of his country ON ANY DAY of the year. It is not a crime to show the flag of your country.
Our goal should be to ease the racial tensions, not to inflame them.
This incident had nothing to do with race and everything to do with patriotism.
Once we have a fire raging, it might not be a fun as we expected.
Well, by your logic the right course would be to make sure that we never express any pride in our country or its flag.
What is WRONG with you?:-5
Don't you like being American?:-3
Enough of this BS
By the way, did you notice that there is a small American flag below your username, Yaarg? It was there on Cinco De Mayo as well.
Why didn't you take it down so that you could "try to ease racial tensions?!"
Or are you deliberately trying to be hypocritical?:-2
Why didn't you take it down so that you could "try to ease racial tensions?!"
Or are you deliberately trying to be hypocritical?:-2
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yaaarrrgg;1308693 wrote: So in other words, you are planning to **** on their holiday? You have all year to do this, but are singling out their one day of cultural pride?
It won't accomplish anything other than possibly rubbing salt in the wounds of the new racial profiling laws, and maybe getting some kid's teeth knocked out in a fight.
Our goal should be to ease the racial tensions, not to inflame them. Once we have a fire raging, it might not be a fun as we expected.
If a Mexican were to wear a Mexican flag t-shirt to a 4th of July fireworks celebration should that Mexican be removed from the proceedings?
It won't accomplish anything other than possibly rubbing salt in the wounds of the new racial profiling laws, and maybe getting some kid's teeth knocked out in a fight.
Our goal should be to ease the racial tensions, not to inflame them. Once we have a fire raging, it might not be a fun as we expected.
If a Mexican were to wear a Mexican flag t-shirt to a 4th of July fireworks celebration should that Mexican be removed from the proceedings?
Enough of this BS
Saint, if you are wearing the flag pin everyday, that's an honest use of it.
If these kids wore the shirt everyday or even often, I would consider that a different case. Maybe it was an honest mistake ... I could be wrong, but I don't think that's what happened. I think they wore the flag *only because* they wanted to shove it down the throats of Latinos celebrating the Mexican holiday. Not because it was a happy accident, or long running custom.
As an American, I'm offended that the flag would specifically be used to sh!t on another group of people, or cultural holiday. Using the flag like a middle finger is no different than wiping our @ss on it. That's not what my America stands for.
Personally I have mixed feeling about the flag. Just because a politician or group puts the flag out front of their actions, often it's better to be a little more suspicious of their actions for doing so, IMO. False patriotism is often used to clothe some our worst behaviors as a nation.
If these kids wore the shirt everyday or even often, I would consider that a different case. Maybe it was an honest mistake ... I could be wrong, but I don't think that's what happened. I think they wore the flag *only because* they wanted to shove it down the throats of Latinos celebrating the Mexican holiday. Not because it was a happy accident, or long running custom.
As an American, I'm offended that the flag would specifically be used to sh!t on another group of people, or cultural holiday. Using the flag like a middle finger is no different than wiping our @ss on it. That's not what my America stands for.
Personally I have mixed feeling about the flag. Just because a politician or group puts the flag out front of their actions, often it's better to be a little more suspicious of their actions for doing so, IMO. False patriotism is often used to clothe some our worst behaviors as a nation.
Enough of this BS
YZGI;1308699 wrote: If a Mexican were to wear a Mexican flag t-shirt to a 4th of July fireworks celebration should that Mexican be removed from the proceedings?
Possibly. Are they just waving their middle finger at another group, trying to start a fight? I think the important thing isn't the symbol but intent.
Possibly. Are they just waving their middle finger at another group, trying to start a fight? I think the important thing isn't the symbol but intent.
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yaaarrrgg;1308700 wrote: Saint, if you are wearing the flag pin everyday, that's an honest use of it.
If these kids wore the shirt everyday, I would consider that a different case. Maybe it was an honest mistake ... I could be wrong, but I don't think that's what happened. I think they wore the flag *only because* they wanted to shove it down the throats of Latinos celebrating the Mexican holiday. Not because it was a happy accident, or long running custom.
As an American, I'm offended that the flag would specifically be used to sh!t on another group of people, or cultural holiday. Using the flag like a middle finger is no different than wiping our @ss on it. That's not what my America stands for.
Personally I have mixed feeling about the flag. Just because a politician or group puts the flag out front of their actions, often it's better to be a little more suspicious of their actions for doing so, IMO. False patriotism often used to clothe some our worst behaviors as a nation.
Thats an excellent point. An honest appraisal and while I heartily agree that you should quite freely wear the flag as you see fit, its quite possible to see this as being a middle finger.
Nationalistic behaviour is a whole lot different to being patriotic.
Patriotism...I love my country
Nationalism.... I hate every one elses
If these kids wore the shirt everyday, I would consider that a different case. Maybe it was an honest mistake ... I could be wrong, but I don't think that's what happened. I think they wore the flag *only because* they wanted to shove it down the throats of Latinos celebrating the Mexican holiday. Not because it was a happy accident, or long running custom.
As an American, I'm offended that the flag would specifically be used to sh!t on another group of people, or cultural holiday. Using the flag like a middle finger is no different than wiping our @ss on it. That's not what my America stands for.
Personally I have mixed feeling about the flag. Just because a politician or group puts the flag out front of their actions, often it's better to be a little more suspicious of their actions for doing so, IMO. False patriotism often used to clothe some our worst behaviors as a nation.
Thats an excellent point. An honest appraisal and while I heartily agree that you should quite freely wear the flag as you see fit, its quite possible to see this as being a middle finger.
Nationalistic behaviour is a whole lot different to being patriotic.
Patriotism...I love my country
Nationalism.... I hate every one elses
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
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yaaarrrgg;1308701 wrote: Possibly. Are they just waving their middle finger at another group, trying to start a fight? I think the important thing isn't the symbol but intent.
Maybe they are just showing that they are proud of their country while helping celebrate another countries holiday. I bet there would be a huge uproar if a Mexican was sent home for wearing his Mexican t-shirt. I'm sure the race card and Al Sharpton would be greatly used.
Maybe they are just showing that they are proud of their country while helping celebrate another countries holiday. I bet there would be a huge uproar if a Mexican was sent home for wearing his Mexican t-shirt. I'm sure the race card and Al Sharpton would be greatly used.
Enough of this BS
YZGI;1308655 wrote: I can just about guarantee you that if Mexicans, Irish, British or any other country were to were a shirt of their flag on the 4th of July absolutely nothing would be done. And nothing should be done.
Agreed.
What would be cooler than partying with Brazil and Portugal and Trinidad and all kinds of nationalities under one roof. Bring some food, bring your flag, bring your kids.
Agreed.
What would be cooler than partying with Brazil and Portugal and Trinidad and all kinds of nationalities under one roof. Bring some food, bring your flag, bring your kids.
I AM AWESOME MAN
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hoppy;1308627 wrote: Maybe they should go back to Mexico and take back their own country, rather than sneak into another country and turn it into the same kind of sh!thole they ran away from.
Those people have to deal with a corrupt government and if you were Mexican you'd try and come to America to gain a better future.
Your family came from across the globe to enter America only you gained a free ride and you feel this is "justification" to call everyone else inferior. It's horrid logic and why it is so is because you have the empathy of a mosquito.
Those people have to deal with a corrupt government and if you were Mexican you'd try and come to America to gain a better future.
Your family came from across the globe to enter America only you gained a free ride and you feel this is "justification" to call everyone else inferior. It's horrid logic and why it is so is because you have the empathy of a mosquito.
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mikeinie;1308672 wrote: I actually don’t agree with you on this.
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I would have a real issue if I was sent home for wearing a t-shirt with something Irish on it.
In this case, there may be some who are sensitive, or they may be just being rude, but they are in America and have every right to wear an American t-shirt no matter what the event is.
Yes, you're correct that everyone should be free enough to wear what they wish but I also don't need to drink coffee in order to wake up and smell the beans. The kids obviously were being obnoxious and no doubt initiated unreasonable aggression. They're twats dude
No doubt my intuition will be confused with cynicism but how else will the media sell their dynamite story?
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I would have a real issue if I was sent home for wearing a t-shirt with something Irish on it.
In this case, there may be some who are sensitive, or they may be just being rude, but they are in America and have every right to wear an American t-shirt no matter what the event is.
Yes, you're correct that everyone should be free enough to wear what they wish but I also don't need to drink coffee in order to wake up and smell the beans. The kids obviously were being obnoxious and no doubt initiated unreasonable aggression. They're twats dude
No doubt my intuition will be confused with cynicism but how else will the media sell their dynamite story?
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yaaarrrgg;1308700 wrote: As an American, I'm offended that the flag would specifically be used to sh!t on another group of people, or cultural holiday. Using the flag like a middle finger is no different than wiping our @ss on it. That's not what my America stands for.
Personally I have mixed feeling about the flag. Just because a politician or group puts the flag out front of their actions, often it's better to be a little more suspicious of their actions for doing so, IMO. False patriotism is often used to clothe some our worst behaviors as a nation.
Wow, someone actually agrees with one of my stances, as perfect as they are.
Quick!,go grab Ahso! he'll **** bricks!
Personally I have mixed feeling about the flag. Just because a politician or group puts the flag out front of their actions, often it's better to be a little more suspicious of their actions for doing so, IMO. False patriotism is often used to clothe some our worst behaviors as a nation.
Wow, someone actually agrees with one of my stances, as perfect as they are.
Quick!,go grab Ahso! he'll **** bricks!
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Saint_;1308689 wrote: I'm completely on your side, hoppy. How dare ANYONE punish an American for being proud of America?!! Just for that, I'm going to have all my students say the Pledge of Allegiance on Cinco De Mayo next year and I, myself, am going to wear a flag pin!!:mad:
No one's punishing "ANYONE" Saint, some are just civil that's all
No one's punishing "ANYONE" Saint, some are just civil that's all
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YZGI;1308655 wrote: BS. Not at all
YZGI;1308655 wrote: First off, I think it would be rude for an American to celebrate the 4th of July in any other country. Why? So an American was on business and that American happened to enjoy celebrating on the 4th of July that American should be forced to keep quiet? Your premise is ethically wrong. It's horribly ignorant and takes a complete bigot to respond, in an unusual manner as stated earlier, to an action with one that is blatantly aimed at belittling another all due to the fact those individuals cannot resolve their own personal issues. They create issues just by simply being themselves and they disgust me
YZGI;1308655 wrote:
I can just about guarantee you that if Mexicans, Irish, British or any other country were to were a shirt of their flag on the 4th of July absolutely nothing would be done. And nothing should be done. I can guarantee you, YZGI, that this incident was innately inspired by hatred derived from ignorance
Now what?
YZGI;1308655 wrote: First off, I think it would be rude for an American to celebrate the 4th of July in any other country. Why? So an American was on business and that American happened to enjoy celebrating on the 4th of July that American should be forced to keep quiet? Your premise is ethically wrong. It's horribly ignorant and takes a complete bigot to respond, in an unusual manner as stated earlier, to an action with one that is blatantly aimed at belittling another all due to the fact those individuals cannot resolve their own personal issues. They create issues just by simply being themselves and they disgust me
YZGI;1308655 wrote:
I can just about guarantee you that if Mexicans, Irish, British or any other country were to were a shirt of their flag on the 4th of July absolutely nothing would be done. And nothing should be done. I can guarantee you, YZGI, that this incident was innately inspired by hatred derived from ignorance
Now what?
Enough of this BS
Since the subject is BS...ENOUGH of this type of Thuggish Fascism TOO!.
Nobody is safe.
It could be YOU next!
Geez. USA "leadershyte" is totally NUTS! Sick, psycho nuts over money, world domination, and mass slavery. Scare tactics and harrassment abound. :-5
Hoppy.Support your troops? The ones that guard the OPIUM FIELDS!!! Help your gov ship in opium ( that means getting a huge chunk of the black market money) so they can fill up the privately owned jails in the USA?...Right. They have no choice. Better they control the opium trade than let the "Taliban" have control. And there's all that "legal pharm pushing " too! ( pain Meds) It's always "them" right?!. BS!
( yea it's me too:yh_rotfl)
U just don't get it at all dude. Maybe it's yer "diet" ( what you eat, drink and the news you read) or somethin':rolleyes:
Botched Paramilitary Police Raids
Militarized SWAT Drug Raids on the Rise
Ye. Yer cunnery is somethin' to be proud of lately.:sneaky: False patriotism indeed!
Nobody is safe.
It could be YOU next!
Geez. USA "leadershyte" is totally NUTS! Sick, psycho nuts over money, world domination, and mass slavery. Scare tactics and harrassment abound. :-5
Hoppy.Support your troops? The ones that guard the OPIUM FIELDS!!! Help your gov ship in opium ( that means getting a huge chunk of the black market money) so they can fill up the privately owned jails in the USA?...Right. They have no choice. Better they control the opium trade than let the "Taliban" have control. And there's all that "legal pharm pushing " too! ( pain Meds) It's always "them" right?!. BS!
( yea it's me too:yh_rotfl)
U just don't get it at all dude. Maybe it's yer "diet" ( what you eat, drink and the news you read) or somethin':rolleyes:
Botched Paramilitary Police Raids
Militarized SWAT Drug Raids on the Rise
Ye. Yer cunnery is somethin' to be proud of lately.:sneaky: False patriotism indeed!
Enough of this BS
Has anyone considered that using a countries flag to form a cheap tee shirt is debasing it ?
Beware America, in England the flags of St George and the Union flag have been commandeered by the far right wing so much, that many patriots are afraid to be tarred with the same brush by displaying them.
Beware America, in England the flags of St George and the Union flag have been commandeered by the far right wing so much, that many patriots are afraid to be tarred with the same brush by displaying them.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Enough of this BS
Bruv;1308754 wrote: Has anyone considered that using a countries flag to form a cheap tee shirt is debasing it ?
Beware America, in England the flags of St George and the Union flag have been commandeered by the far right wing so much, that many patriots are afraid to be tarred with the same brush by displaying them.
Sounds to me like you need to wear your shirts for your own "countrymen" than for the "benefit" of peoples "foreign" to yourself.
Beware America, in England the flags of St George and the Union flag have been commandeered by the far right wing so much, that many patriots are afraid to be tarred with the same brush by displaying them.
Sounds to me like you need to wear your shirts for your own "countrymen" than for the "benefit" of peoples "foreign" to yourself.
Enough of this BS
Amythest;1308752 wrote: Since the subject is BS...ENOUGH of this type of Thuggish Fascism TOO!.
Nobody is safe.
It could be YOU next!
Geez. USA "leadershyte" is totally NUTS! Sick, psycho nuts over money, world domination, and mass slavery. Scare tactics and harrassment abound. :-5
Hoppy.Support your troops? The ones that guard the OPIUM FIELDS!!! Help your gov ship in opium ( that means getting a huge chunk of the black market money) so they can fill up the privately owned jails in the USA?...Right. They have no choice. Better they control the opium trade than let the "Taliban" have control. And there's all that "legal pharm pushing " too! ( pain Meds) It's always "them" right?!. BS!
( yea it's me too:yh_rotfl)
U just don't get it at all dude. Maybe it's yer "diet" ( what you eat, drink and the news you read) or somethin':rolleyes:
Botched Paramilitary Police Raids
Militarized SWAT Drug Raids on the Rise
Ye. Yer cunnery is somethin' to be proud of lately.:sneaky: False patriotism indeed!
Wut ya smokin, Amy?:yh_rotfl
Nobody is safe.
It could be YOU next!
Geez. USA "leadershyte" is totally NUTS! Sick, psycho nuts over money, world domination, and mass slavery. Scare tactics and harrassment abound. :-5
Hoppy.Support your troops? The ones that guard the OPIUM FIELDS!!! Help your gov ship in opium ( that means getting a huge chunk of the black market money) so they can fill up the privately owned jails in the USA?...Right. They have no choice. Better they control the opium trade than let the "Taliban" have control. And there's all that "legal pharm pushing " too! ( pain Meds) It's always "them" right?!. BS!
( yea it's me too:yh_rotfl)
U just don't get it at all dude. Maybe it's yer "diet" ( what you eat, drink and the news you read) or somethin':rolleyes:
Botched Paramilitary Police Raids
Militarized SWAT Drug Raids on the Rise
Ye. Yer cunnery is somethin' to be proud of lately.:sneaky: False patriotism indeed!
Wut ya smokin, Amy?:yh_rotfl
Enough of this BS
Do you folks even realize the problem? Cinco de Mayo is not Mexico's Independence Day! That is September 16th. Cinco is not even a federal holiday in Mexico.
Why on earth are taxpayer-supported schools in the US forced to recognize AND celebrate this day??? Why are students here forced one way or another anyway???
This has always been bogus and lame and there can be no insult to Mexicans as it is not a holiday. No different than celebrating Super Tuesday, Black Friday, or Octoberfest anywhere in the US.
Can we please put this in proper perspective and get back to teaching our kids in school instead of this pansy-assed ****?:mad:
Why on earth are taxpayer-supported schools in the US forced to recognize AND celebrate this day??? Why are students here forced one way or another anyway???
This has always been bogus and lame and there can be no insult to Mexicans as it is not a holiday. No different than celebrating Super Tuesday, Black Friday, or Octoberfest anywhere in the US.
Can we please put this in proper perspective and get back to teaching our kids in school instead of this pansy-assed ****?:mad:
Enough of this BS
hoppy;1308805 wrote: Do you folks even realize the problem? Cinco de Mayo is not Mexico's Independence Day! That is September 16th. Cinco is not even a federal holiday in Mexico.
Why on earth are taxpayer-supported schools in the US forced to recognize AND celebrate this day??? Why are students here forced one way or another anyway???
This has always been bogus and lame and there can be no insult to Mexicans as it is not a holiday. No different than celebrating Super Tuesday, Black Friday, or Octoberfest anywhere in the US.
Can we please put this in proper perspective and get back to teaching our kids in school instead of this pansy-assed ****?:mad:
Do you realize this isn't about Mexico or the U.S. and has everything to do with minimizing the risk of possible physical aggression? The twats were instigating a response that favored hatred derived from pure and utter ignorance. What's so tantalizingly confusing about that?
Why on earth are taxpayer-supported schools in the US forced to recognize AND celebrate this day??? Why are students here forced one way or another anyway???
This has always been bogus and lame and there can be no insult to Mexicans as it is not a holiday. No different than celebrating Super Tuesday, Black Friday, or Octoberfest anywhere in the US.
Can we please put this in proper perspective and get back to teaching our kids in school instead of this pansy-assed ****?:mad:
Do you realize this isn't about Mexico or the U.S. and has everything to do with minimizing the risk of possible physical aggression? The twats were instigating a response that favored hatred derived from pure and utter ignorance. What's so tantalizingly confusing about that?
Enough of this BS
K.Snyder;1308838 wrote: Do you realize this isn't about Mexico or the U.S. and has everything to do with minimizing the risk of possible physical aggression? The twats were instigating a response that favored hatred derived from pure and utter ignorance. What's so tantalizingly confusing about that?
If we can't display the American flag in America anytime we choose, then the cinco de mayo BS should be banned too. Simple as that.
If we can't display the American flag in America anytime we choose, then the cinco de mayo BS should be banned too. Simple as that.
Enough of this BS
hoppy;1308845 wrote: If we can't display the American flag in America anytime we choose, then the cinco de mayo BS should be banned too. Simple as that.
The difference, hoppy, is that everyone expects us to wear American colors on the 4th of July because that's one of the only times we do. When one changes their normal behavior they define that behavior as abnormal I know we're to agree on that. We also expect people to wear Mexican colors on Cinco de Mayo therefore it can easily be concluded that those kids were attempting to instigate some form of violence it's that simple. They acted abnormally to not only their everyday life but the significant majority of the U.S.
They weren't sent home, hoppy, because they wore American colors. They were sent home because they were being instigating twats
"Teens Sent Home for Wearing American Flag T-Shirts" is a damn business modo that you bought into that enabled that newspaper to gain more wealth. I refuse to participate in such triviality.
The difference, hoppy, is that everyone expects us to wear American colors on the 4th of July because that's one of the only times we do. When one changes their normal behavior they define that behavior as abnormal I know we're to agree on that. We also expect people to wear Mexican colors on Cinco de Mayo therefore it can easily be concluded that those kids were attempting to instigate some form of violence it's that simple. They acted abnormally to not only their everyday life but the significant majority of the U.S.
They weren't sent home, hoppy, because they wore American colors. They were sent home because they were being instigating twats
"Teens Sent Home for Wearing American Flag T-Shirts" is a damn business modo that you bought into that enabled that newspaper to gain more wealth. I refuse to participate in such triviality.
Enough of this BS
K.Snyder;1308849 wrote: The difference, hoppy, is that everyone expects us to wear American colors on the 4th of July because that's one of the only times we do. When one changes their normal behavior they define that behavior as abnormal I know we're to agree on that. We also expect people to wear Mexican colors on Cinco de Mayo therefore it can easily be concluded that those kids were attempting to instigate some form of violence it's that simple. They acted abnormally to not only their everyday life but the significant majority of the U.S.
They weren't sent home, hoppy, because they wore American colors. They were sent home because they were being instigating twats
"Teens Sent Home for Wearing American Flag T-Shirts" is a damn business modo that you bought into that enabled that newspaper to gain more wealth. I refuse to participate in such triviality.
:yh_rotfl
They weren't sent home, hoppy, because they wore American colors. They were sent home because they were being instigating twats
"Teens Sent Home for Wearing American Flag T-Shirts" is a damn business modo that you bought into that enabled that newspaper to gain more wealth. I refuse to participate in such triviality.
:yh_rotfl
Enough of this BS
K.Snyder;1308849 wrote: The difference, hoppy, is that everyone expects us to wear American colors on the 4th of July because that's one of the only times we do. When one changes their normal behavior they define that behavior as abnormal I know we're to agree on that. We also expect people to wear Mexican colors on Cinco de Mayo therefore it can easily be concluded that those kids were attempting to instigate some form of violence it's that simple. They acted abnormally to not only their everyday life but the significant majority of the U.S.
They weren't sent home, hoppy, because they wore American colors. They were sent home because they were being instigating twats
"Teens Sent Home for Wearing American Flag T-Shirts" is a damn business modo that you bought into that enabled that newspaper to gain more wealth. I refuse to participate in such triviality.
hoppy;1308850 wrote: :yh_rotfl
I just wanted to copy and paste this bit of our conversation before you had time to delete your response to my quoted excerpt, hoppy.
They weren't sent home, hoppy, because they wore American colors. They were sent home because they were being instigating twats
"Teens Sent Home for Wearing American Flag T-Shirts" is a damn business modo that you bought into that enabled that newspaper to gain more wealth. I refuse to participate in such triviality.
hoppy;1308850 wrote: :yh_rotfl
I just wanted to copy and paste this bit of our conversation before you had time to delete your response to my quoted excerpt, hoppy.
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Ferret_annica
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Enough of this BS
The students have the right to wear the shirts as per the prerogative of freedom of speech granted by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
Under the auspices of this part of the Bill or Rights in the Constitution, free speech is regulated by the personal responsibility each of us has for our words and other displays of opinion.
I imagine any Hispanic student kicked from the school for wearing an Mexican flag on the Forth of July would cause a huge stink and be called discrimination.
You are not going to have these students learn about the nuances of free speech by oppressing them with nanny state decisions for them regarding what they should wear.
Face it, when you hurt the free speech rights of these students, you hurt those of Mexicans and Mexican Americans celebrating the 5th of May's fête.
Under the auspices of this part of the Bill or Rights in the Constitution, free speech is regulated by the personal responsibility each of us has for our words and other displays of opinion.
I imagine any Hispanic student kicked from the school for wearing an Mexican flag on the Forth of July would cause a huge stink and be called discrimination.
You are not going to have these students learn about the nuances of free speech by oppressing them with nanny state decisions for them regarding what they should wear.
Face it, when you hurt the free speech rights of these students, you hurt those of Mexicans and Mexican Americans celebrating the 5th of May's fête.
Pardon my driving, I'm reloading.
Enough of this BS
Ferret_annica;1308877 wrote: I imagine any Hispanic student kicked from the school for wearing an Mexican flag on the Forth of July would cause a huge stink and be called discrimination.
From what I read, the Latinos were asked to put their their Mexican flags away as well. If they were more interested in starting a fight, and acted like complete douche bags, they should be sent home too.
From what I read, the Latinos were asked to put their their Mexican flags away as well. If they were more interested in starting a fight, and acted like complete douche bags, they should be sent home too.
Enough of this BS
Ferret_annica;1308877 wrote: The students have the right to wear the shirts as per the prerogative of freedom of speech granted by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
Under the auspices of this part of the Bill or Rights in the Constitution, free speech is regulated by the personal responsibility each of us has for our words and other displays of opinion.
I imagine any Hispanic student kicked from the school for wearing an Mexican flag on the Forth of July would cause a huge stink and be called discrimination.
You are not going to have these students learn about the nuances of free speech by oppressing them with nanny state decisions for them regarding what they should wear.
Face it, when you hurt the free speech rights of these students, you hurt those of Mexicans and Mexican Americans celebrating the 5th of May's fête.
That's all very well indeed but when that freedom of speech turns into physical violence it's to be quelled when possible.
Why everyone is pleased to believe everything they read is still a position I'm very much confused about.
Perhaps one of you can "enlighten" me
Under the auspices of this part of the Bill or Rights in the Constitution, free speech is regulated by the personal responsibility each of us has for our words and other displays of opinion.
I imagine any Hispanic student kicked from the school for wearing an Mexican flag on the Forth of July would cause a huge stink and be called discrimination.
You are not going to have these students learn about the nuances of free speech by oppressing them with nanny state decisions for them regarding what they should wear.
Face it, when you hurt the free speech rights of these students, you hurt those of Mexicans and Mexican Americans celebrating the 5th of May's fête.
That's all very well indeed but when that freedom of speech turns into physical violence it's to be quelled when possible.
Why everyone is pleased to believe everything they read is still a position I'm very much confused about.
Perhaps one of you can "enlighten" me
Enough of this BS
yaaarrrgg;1308942 wrote: From what I read, the Latinos were asked to put their their Mexican flags away as well. If they were more interested in starting a fight, and acted like complete douche bags, they should be sent home too.
Could you point me to what you read?
here's an update
The five boys and their families met with a Morgan Hill Unified School District official Wednesday night. The district and the school do not see eye-to-eye on the incident and released the following statement:
The district does not concur with the Live Oak High School administration's interpretation of either board or district policy related to these actions.
The boys will not be suspended and were allowed to return to school Thursday. We spotted one of them when he got to campus -- and, yes, he was sporting an American flag T-shirt.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36981179/ns ... y_area_ca/
Could you point me to what you read?
here's an update
The five boys and their families met with a Morgan Hill Unified School District official Wednesday night. The district and the school do not see eye-to-eye on the incident and released the following statement:
The district does not concur with the Live Oak High School administration's interpretation of either board or district policy related to these actions.
The boys will not be suspended and were allowed to return to school Thursday. We spotted one of them when he got to campus -- and, yes, he was sporting an American flag T-shirt.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36981179/ns ... y_area_ca/
I expressly forbid the use of any of my posts anywhere outside of FG (with the exception of the incredibly witty 'get a room already' )posted recently.
Folks who'd like to copy my intellectual work should expect to pay me for it.:-6
Folks who'd like to copy my intellectual work should expect to pay me for it.:-6
Enough of this BS
Lo and behold, Fox news has once made a story more fair and balanced than msnbc 
Some other Mexican-American students reportedly said their flags were taken away or asked to be put away, but no other students were sent home on Wednesday.
FOXNews.com - California Students Sent Home for Wearing U.S. Flags on Cinco de Mayo
Some other Mexican-American students reportedly said their flags were taken away or asked to be put away, but no other students were sent home on Wednesday.
FOXNews.com - California Students Sent Home for Wearing U.S. Flags on Cinco de Mayo
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Ferret_annica
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Enough of this BS
Too much padding the corners and a disrespect of the student's right to make decisions for themselves for me. They should have let everyone wear whatever flag they wanted.
Learning to be a responsible citizen is a hands on process. The nanny state people running the school need to stifle themselves.
When I was in high school during the Vietnam War, I protested our involvement in that illegal and immoral war by refusing to stand and salute the flag. No one made me comply with the morning group salute.
I also went to an anti-war protest on th New Haven Green that the administration had warned would be treated as an unexcused absence.
Some who went got excuse letters from parents and suffered no consequences. I decided to be forthcoming with the truth and was suspended three days for this.
I feel I did the right thing. I took responsibility for my actions and feel those who lied to keep from being suspended should of been honest, but that was their decision.
If my kid were sent home for wearing either flag, I would sue. The school violated the student's First Amendment rights to free speech.
Learning to be a responsible citizen is a hands on process. The nanny state people running the school need to stifle themselves.
When I was in high school during the Vietnam War, I protested our involvement in that illegal and immoral war by refusing to stand and salute the flag. No one made me comply with the morning group salute.
I also went to an anti-war protest on th New Haven Green that the administration had warned would be treated as an unexcused absence.
Some who went got excuse letters from parents and suffered no consequences. I decided to be forthcoming with the truth and was suspended three days for this.
I feel I did the right thing. I took responsibility for my actions and feel those who lied to keep from being suspended should of been honest, but that was their decision.
If my kid were sent home for wearing either flag, I would sue. The school violated the student's First Amendment rights to free speech.
Pardon my driving, I'm reloading.
Enough of this BS
Ferret_annica;1308975 wrote: If my kid were sent home for wearing either flag, I would sue. The school violated the student's First Amendment rights to free speech. And depending on the school your kid could very well end up in the hospital with a knife in his/her kidney. Is it honestly worth it? You said it yourself,.."immoral war"... War is either immoral or moral so by opposing one side you retain the other. You were for the Northern Vietnamese the day you refused to support American troops in the Vietnam war just the same as you support Americans in waging a flag waving war against Mexicans, Iraqis, French, British, Canadiens, etc... etc...
My question is why you refuse to see the possible escalation of unnecessary physical violence no matter which side one chooses to attain. You've chosen a side where no side would be present had you, among others, chose not to participate in such a war. I refuse to myself personally
My question is why you refuse to see the possible escalation of unnecessary physical violence no matter which side one chooses to attain. You've chosen a side where no side would be present had you, among others, chose not to participate in such a war. I refuse to myself personally
Enough of this BS
K.Snyder;1309004 wrote: And depending on the school your kid could very well end up in the hospital with a knife in his/her kidney. Is it honestly worth it? You said it yourself,.."immoral war"... War is either immoral or moral so by opposing one side you retain the other. You were for the Northern Vietnamese the day you refused to support American troops in the Vietnam war just the same as you support Americans in waging a flag waving war against Mexicans, Iraqis, French, British, Canadiens, etc... etc...
My question is why you refuse to see the possible escalation of unnecessary physical violence no matter which side one chooses to attain. You've chosen a side where no side would be present had you, among others, chose not to participate in such a war. I refuse to myself personally
If the choice is to be made on American soil, as to whose flag has the right of way - no question in my mind.
It's time for an end to all this PC crap. Being polite has gotten us nowhere but to a place where a Hispanic vice principal seriously thinks it's OKAY to force Americans to dress for the pleasure of ........ well, who exactly? - come to think of it. Were those kids on Mexican soil or American soil? Whose taxpayer dollars were they riding to school that day? Ours or Mexico's? Who provided those school books(interested if anyone knows if we have to supply multilingual in that district) for these students? Mexico or the U.S.? Who was supplementing those lunches where the 'American' students were pulled to the office from? Why weren't all the Americans who were wearing flags pulled? Isn't that profiling?:rolleyes:
Sorry, but any "Mexican" at that school that wished to be exhibiting pride in their nation should have been wearing red, white and blue to begin with!:guitarist
My question is why you refuse to see the possible escalation of unnecessary physical violence no matter which side one chooses to attain. You've chosen a side where no side would be present had you, among others, chose not to participate in such a war. I refuse to myself personally
If the choice is to be made on American soil, as to whose flag has the right of way - no question in my mind.
It's time for an end to all this PC crap. Being polite has gotten us nowhere but to a place where a Hispanic vice principal seriously thinks it's OKAY to force Americans to dress for the pleasure of ........ well, who exactly? - come to think of it. Were those kids on Mexican soil or American soil? Whose taxpayer dollars were they riding to school that day? Ours or Mexico's? Who provided those school books(interested if anyone knows if we have to supply multilingual in that district) for these students? Mexico or the U.S.? Who was supplementing those lunches where the 'American' students were pulled to the office from? Why weren't all the Americans who were wearing flags pulled? Isn't that profiling?:rolleyes:
Sorry, but any "Mexican" at that school that wished to be exhibiting pride in their nation should have been wearing red, white and blue to begin with!:guitarist
I expressly forbid the use of any of my posts anywhere outside of FG (with the exception of the incredibly witty 'get a room already' )posted recently.
Folks who'd like to copy my intellectual work should expect to pay me for it.:-6
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Enough of this BS
flopstock;1309030 wrote: If the choice is to be made on American soil, as to whose flag has the right of way - no question in my mind.
It's time for an end to all this PC crap. Being polite has gotten us nowhere but to a place where a Hispanic vice principal seriously thinks it's OKAY to force Americans to dress for the pleasure of ........ well, who exactly? - come to think of it. Were those kids on Mexican soil or American soil? Whose taxpayer dollars were they riding to school that day? Ours or Mexico's? Who provided those school books(interested if anyone knows if we have to supply multilingual in that district) for these students? Mexico or the U.S.? Who was supplementing those lunches where the 'American' students were pulled to the office from? Why weren't all the Americans who were wearing flags pulled? Isn't that profiling?:rolleyes:
Sorry, but any "Mexican" at that school that wished to be exhibiting pride in their nation should have been wearing red, white and blue to begin with!:guitarist Would you dress your male child in pink from head to toe? Do you not like the color pink?
It doesn't matter what country anyone is in, a true American doesn't feel the need to flaunt red, white and blue, which are colors of many other nations I might add, because if red, white and blue was perfect there would never be a need to wear it as if to make up for the lackluster of innate knowledge.
Colors were/are worn to let it be known to each of their armies. It's war that's to blame for the prevalence of flags and it's war "you" people will get so long as "you" choose to wave them. Go ahead and wave them if it makes "you" want to fight, just don't come crawling back to me weeping when it doesn't go "your" damn way
It's time for an end to all this PC crap. Being polite has gotten us nowhere but to a place where a Hispanic vice principal seriously thinks it's OKAY to force Americans to dress for the pleasure of ........ well, who exactly? - come to think of it. Were those kids on Mexican soil or American soil? Whose taxpayer dollars were they riding to school that day? Ours or Mexico's? Who provided those school books(interested if anyone knows if we have to supply multilingual in that district) for these students? Mexico or the U.S.? Who was supplementing those lunches where the 'American' students were pulled to the office from? Why weren't all the Americans who were wearing flags pulled? Isn't that profiling?:rolleyes:
Sorry, but any "Mexican" at that school that wished to be exhibiting pride in their nation should have been wearing red, white and blue to begin with!:guitarist Would you dress your male child in pink from head to toe? Do you not like the color pink?
It doesn't matter what country anyone is in, a true American doesn't feel the need to flaunt red, white and blue, which are colors of many other nations I might add, because if red, white and blue was perfect there would never be a need to wear it as if to make up for the lackluster of innate knowledge.
Colors were/are worn to let it be known to each of their armies. It's war that's to blame for the prevalence of flags and it's war "you" people will get so long as "you" choose to wave them. Go ahead and wave them if it makes "you" want to fight, just don't come crawling back to me weeping when it doesn't go "your" damn way