U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
Even if she is, so what? Some seem to be concerned that if she is Gay it would influence her in the Gay Marriage issue decisions that will come before the Supreme Court. What if we have a Heterosexual Supreme Court Judge that was into S&M or Bondage? Sexuality should not be an issue nor should a host of other preferences.
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
Lon;1309781 wrote: Even is she is, so what? Some seem to be concerned that if she is Gay it would influence her in the Gay Marriage issue decisions that will come before the Supreme Court. What if we have a Heterosexual Supreme Court Judge that was into S&M or Bondage? Sexuality should not be an issue nor should a host of other preferences.
Does that not mean opponents can't think of any other valid reasons to object so they are looking for things they know will stir up the bigots? Probably her being a woman is the biggest problem - I mean sometimes during the month would you want to be in front of her?:sneaky:
Does that not mean opponents can't think of any other valid reasons to object so they are looking for things they know will stir up the bigots? Probably her being a woman is the biggest problem - I mean sometimes during the month would you want to be in front of her?:sneaky:
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
gmc;1309792 wrote: Does that not mean opponents can't think of any other valid reasons to object so they are looking for things they know will stir up the bigots? Probably her being a woman is the biggest problem - I mean sometimes during the month would you want to be in front of her?:sneaky:
The biggest problem is she's a freakin liberal.
The biggest problem is she's a freakin liberal.
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
hoppy;1309812 wrote: The biggest problem is she's a freakin liberal.
Who else would you want sitting in justice but a liberal? someone who beliefs in individual liberty and freedom. I gather Bush favoured misogynistic christians. Don't you value free speech and civil liberty? I thought the function of your supreme court not to protect your liberties from the government?
Who else would you want sitting in justice but a liberal? someone who beliefs in individual liberty and freedom. I gather Bush favoured misogynistic christians. Don't you value free speech and civil liberty? I thought the function of your supreme court not to protect your liberties from the government?
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
That's what one would think yet libs are all about taking away freedoms in the guise of it being for our own good. Such as the health care boondogle, gun control, etc. It's all about control and oppression, not about doing good for the people.
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
hoppy;1309839 wrote: That's what one would think yet libs are all about taking away freedoms in the guise of it being for our own good. Such as the health care boondogle, gun control, etc. It's all about control and oppression, not about doing good for the people.
What has she done or what thoughts has she expressed that would indicate that she is a liberal? Theres liberal and then there is liberal.
What has she done or what thoughts has she expressed that would indicate that she is a liberal? Theres liberal and then there is liberal.
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
hoppy;1309839 wrote: That's what one would think yet libs are all about taking away freedoms in the guise of it being for our own good. Such as the health care boondogle, gun control, etc. It's all about control and oppression, not about doing good for the people.
Yes, because freedom is all about letting 30 million people die from health problems on the street, while I buy a rocket launcher.
Yes, because freedom is all about letting 30 million people die from health problems on the street, while I buy a rocket launcher.
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
The court needs to reflect the social-economic diversity of America IMO. That means they need at least one gay person on the bench (about 10% are gay). I was disappointed to find out she wasn't a lesbian.
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
yaaarrrgg;1309852 wrote: Yes, because freedom is all about letting 30 million people die from health problems on the street, while I buy a rocket launcher.
GMC said she's all about individual rights and freedom, I didn't. I just know how libs operate. Mostly under the table.:yh_rotfl
GMC said she's all about individual rights and freedom, I didn't. I just know how libs operate. Mostly under the table.:yh_rotfl
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
hoppy;1309861 wrote:
GMC said she's all about individual rights and freedom, I didn't. I just know how libs operate. Mostly under the table.:yh_rotfl
Actually I don't know anything about her I'm just trying, unsuccessfully it seems, to help you understand that you are at heart a diehard liberal but it seems the brainwashing and newspeak has worked all to well.
What would you prefer to a gay liberal?
GMC said she's all about individual rights and freedom, I didn't. I just know how libs operate. Mostly under the table.:yh_rotfl
Actually I don't know anything about her I'm just trying, unsuccessfully it seems, to help you understand that you are at heart a diehard liberal but it seems the brainwashing and newspeak has worked all to well.
What would you prefer to a gay liberal?
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
gmc;1309876 wrote: Actually I don't know anything about her I'm just trying, unsuccessfully it seems, to help you understand that you are at heart a diehard liberal but it seems the brainwashing and newspeak has worked all to well.
What would you prefer to a gay liberal?
Nice sidestep there but it don't work. I've been in arguments over homosexuality on other forums. I'll be arguing against homosexuality and someone ALWAYS crops up and spouts, " you know what they say. You don't like gays so, you must be gay". And now you are using that tired, senseless piece of BS. It didn't make sense then. It doesn't make sense now and only makes you sound mentally challenged.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
What would you prefer to a gay liberal?
Nice sidestep there but it don't work. I've been in arguments over homosexuality on other forums. I'll be arguing against homosexuality and someone ALWAYS crops up and spouts, " you know what they say. You don't like gays so, you must be gay". And now you are using that tired, senseless piece of BS. It didn't make sense then. It doesn't make sense now and only makes you sound mentally challenged.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
hoppy;1309886 wrote: Nice sidestep there but it don't work. I've been in arguments over homosexuality on other forums. I'll be arguing against homosexuality and someone ALWAYS crops up and spouts, " you know what they say. You don't like gays so, you must be gay". And now you are using that tired, senseless piece of BS. It didn't make sense then. It doesn't make sense now and only makes you sound mentally challenged.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
Forget the gay bit then - I see it as incidental anyway. What would you prefer to a liberal? The liberals here have just gone in to a coalition with the tories, be interesting to see what happens.
They've just introduced a supreme court here - oct last year I think. Independently appointed judges supposedly. Having a supreme court where the judges are appointed by the president seems to kind of go against the idea of a separate judiciary acting as a balance to the govt power. The house of lords had it's flaws but it has been useful in stopping some of the excesses tried by new labour.
Forget the gay bit then - I see it as incidental anyway. What would you prefer to a liberal? The liberals here have just gone in to a coalition with the tories, be interesting to see what happens.
They've just introduced a supreme court here - oct last year I think. Independently appointed judges supposedly. Having a supreme court where the judges are appointed by the president seems to kind of go against the idea of a separate judiciary acting as a balance to the govt power. The house of lords had it's flaws but it has been useful in stopping some of the excesses tried by new labour.
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
Someone here once said that American liberals are a different breed. I only know what American libs are like.
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
hoppy;1309904 wrote: Someone here once said that American liberals are a different breed. I only know what American libs are like.
Mongrel offspring of the european enlightenment perhaps.:yh_rotfl
It's the same with socialism, it has different connotations here and curiously enough it's origins are the same as capitalism. Indeed some of adam smiths ideas we would call socialist nowadays.
Mongrel offspring of the european enlightenment perhaps.:yh_rotfl
It's the same with socialism, it has different connotations here and curiously enough it's origins are the same as capitalism. Indeed some of adam smiths ideas we would call socialist nowadays.
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U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
gmc;1309897 wrote: Forget the gay bit then - I see it as incidental anyway. What would you prefer to a liberal? The liberals here have just gone in to a coalition with the tories, be interesting to see what happens.
They've just introduced a supreme court here - oct last year I think. Independently appointed judges supposedly. Having a supreme court where the judges are appointed by the president seems to kind of go against the idea of a separate judiciary acting as a balance to the govt power. The house of lords had it's flaws but it has been useful in stopping some of the excesses tried by new labour.
It might seem strange to have a Supreme Court appointed by the president (I think the process is nomination and then the nominee undergoes the trials in the legislature) but then the US has an elected Senate while the UK has an appointed House of Lords. I think an American might find that a bit strange. Having said that, Canada has an unelected upper house, here in Australia we have an elected Senate but it's a little like in the US in that States/Territories return Senators and not individual electorates. I think I have that lot right, but I'll stand corrected of course
On edit - the UK has the primacy of Parliament (as do we) but in the US as I understand it all three branches are equal.
They've just introduced a supreme court here - oct last year I think. Independently appointed judges supposedly. Having a supreme court where the judges are appointed by the president seems to kind of go against the idea of a separate judiciary acting as a balance to the govt power. The house of lords had it's flaws but it has been useful in stopping some of the excesses tried by new labour.
It might seem strange to have a Supreme Court appointed by the president (I think the process is nomination and then the nominee undergoes the trials in the legislature) but then the US has an elected Senate while the UK has an appointed House of Lords. I think an American might find that a bit strange. Having said that, Canada has an unelected upper house, here in Australia we have an elected Senate but it's a little like in the US in that States/Territories return Senators and not individual electorates. I think I have that lot right, but I'll stand corrected of course
On edit - the UK has the primacy of Parliament (as do we) but in the US as I understand it all three branches are equal.
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
gmc;1309970 wrote: Mongrel offspring of the european enlightenment perhaps.:yh_rotfl
It's the same with socialism, it has different connotations here and curiously enough it's origins are the same as capitalism. Indeed some of adam smiths ideas we would call socialist nowadays.
European enlightenment? Now that is laughable.:yh_rotfl
It's the same with socialism, it has different connotations here and curiously enough it's origins are the same as capitalism. Indeed some of adam smiths ideas we would call socialist nowadays.
European enlightenment? Now that is laughable.:yh_rotfl
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hoppy;1309990 wrote: European enlightenment? Now that is laughable.:yh_rotfl
Stand by for incoming! :wah:
Stand by for incoming! :wah:
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
Royd Fissure;1309992 wrote: Stand by for incoming! :wah:
No worries. I hope, vainly, that hoppy will be intrigued enough to read up on his own county's history and realise he is a closet liberal after all. I don't see how you can study the American constitution and declaration of independence without realising how much it owes to european political philosophy of the time but it seems they think it wholly original in all it's aspects.
Mind you a lot of people don't realise how much ideas have been shared across the nations.
No worries. I hope, vainly, that hoppy will be intrigued enough to read up on his own county's history and realise he is a closet liberal after all. I don't see how you can study the American constitution and declaration of independence without realising how much it owes to european political philosophy of the time but it seems they think it wholly original in all it's aspects.
Mind you a lot of people don't realise how much ideas have been shared across the nations.
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
gmc;1309995 wrote: No worries. I hope, vainly, that hoppy will be intrigued enough to read up on his own county's history and realise he is a closet liberal after all. I don't see how you can study the American constitution and declaration of independence without realising how much it owes to european political philosophy of the time but it seems they think it wholly original in all it's aspects.
Mind you a lot of people don't realise how much ideas have been shared across the nations.
There ya go with the "you hate libs so you must be lib" idiocy again.:yh_rotfl
Mind you a lot of people don't realise how much ideas have been shared across the nations.
There ya go with the "you hate libs so you must be lib" idiocy again.:yh_rotfl
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gmc;1309995 wrote: No worries. I hope, vainly, that hoppy will be intrigued enough to read up on his own county's history and realise he is a closet liberal after all. I don't see how you can study the American constitution and declaration of independence without realising how much it owes to european political philosophy of the time but it seems they think it wholly original in all it's aspects.
Mind you a lot of people don't realise how much ideas have been shared across the nations.
gmc - hoppy - these are comments that are intended for mutual discussion - here I go.
The founders of the US didn't come up with their ideas in a vacuum. They looked to their own education and cultural heritage to inform them as to how the new nation should be constructed. They drew upon English/British concepts of jurisprudence and politics and also upon continental (Europe) ideas. They also reached back as far as republican Rome in coming up with what was probably a new paradigm of government in the late 18th Century.
hoppy, gmc is right - as far as my knowledge goes anyway - the similarities between the US Constitution and English law at the time are not coincidental. The founders drew upon English and Scottish philosophers to guide the in the construction of the new nation. While the English and Scottish philosophers may have had their differences with the continentals I think it's fair to say that the Enlightenment was extremely important to their ideas.
The founders drew upon their cultural knowledge, their genius was in breaking away from the idea of monarchy and for that they should be admired.
Mind you a lot of people don't realise how much ideas have been shared across the nations.
gmc - hoppy - these are comments that are intended for mutual discussion - here I go.
The founders of the US didn't come up with their ideas in a vacuum. They looked to their own education and cultural heritage to inform them as to how the new nation should be constructed. They drew upon English/British concepts of jurisprudence and politics and also upon continental (Europe) ideas. They also reached back as far as republican Rome in coming up with what was probably a new paradigm of government in the late 18th Century.
hoppy, gmc is right - as far as my knowledge goes anyway - the similarities between the US Constitution and English law at the time are not coincidental. The founders drew upon English and Scottish philosophers to guide the in the construction of the new nation. While the English and Scottish philosophers may have had their differences with the continentals I think it's fair to say that the Enlightenment was extremely important to their ideas.
The founders drew upon their cultural knowledge, their genius was in breaking away from the idea of monarchy and for that they should be admired.
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
hoppy;1309997 wrote: There ya go with the "you hate libs so you must be lib" idiocy again.:yh_rotfl
That's not what I'm saying at all. That's like the you hate gays so you must be one type of logic that doesn't make a lot of sense either. Your constitution owes a lot to liberal philosophy. I just don't understand how you can be an american, study the constitution, and not be aware of all those influences.
Your core values - gathering from your posts - are basically very liberal.
I enjoy your posts, mainly because I disagree with most of them. It's a discussion forum after all, no fun unless you have something to argue about.
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The founders drew upon their cultural knowledge, their genius was in breaking away from the idea of monarchy and for that they should be admired.
Hey we did as well. It was the fundamentalist christian military dictatorship that made bringing a king back seem a good idea.
That's not what I'm saying at all. That's like the you hate gays so you must be one type of logic that doesn't make a lot of sense either. Your constitution owes a lot to liberal philosophy. I just don't understand how you can be an american, study the constitution, and not be aware of all those influences.
Your core values - gathering from your posts - are basically very liberal.
I enjoy your posts, mainly because I disagree with most of them. It's a discussion forum after all, no fun unless you have something to argue about.
posted by royd fissure
The founders drew upon their cultural knowledge, their genius was in breaking away from the idea of monarchy and for that they should be admired.
Hey we did as well. It was the fundamentalist christian military dictatorship that made bringing a king back seem a good idea.
U.S. Supreme Court Nominee Kagan Gay?
gmc;1310024 wrote: That's not what I'm saying at all. That's like the you hate gays so you must be one type of logic that doesn't make a lot of sense either. Your constitution owes a lot to liberal philosophy. I just don't understand how you can be an american, study the constitution, and not be aware of all those influences.
Your core values - gathering from your posts - are basically very liberal.
I enjoy your posts, mainly because I disagree with most of them. It's a discussion forum after all, no fun unless you have something to argue about.
posted by royd fissure
Hey we did as well. It was the fundamentalist christian military dictatorship that made bringing a king back seem a good idea.
Maybe so. It's probably something like the democratic party. My gramps was a die hard democrat. If he were here today and saw what the 'crat's were up to and how they were behaving, he would deny ever being one. I'm not saying todays republicans are much better. Same with the liberals of yesteryear and those of today. That's why we need to study the records of those running for office.
Your core values - gathering from your posts - are basically very liberal.
I enjoy your posts, mainly because I disagree with most of them. It's a discussion forum after all, no fun unless you have something to argue about.
posted by royd fissure
Hey we did as well. It was the fundamentalist christian military dictatorship that made bringing a king back seem a good idea.
Maybe so. It's probably something like the democratic party. My gramps was a die hard democrat. If he were here today and saw what the 'crat's were up to and how they were behaving, he would deny ever being one. I'm not saying todays republicans are much better. Same with the liberals of yesteryear and those of today. That's why we need to study the records of those running for office.