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Kathy Ellen;1315618 wrote: I absolutely agree with you Gill and Betty. Some things need to be said in FG so we can all move on. Too many members are leaving FG, on invisible or just reading and not posting.


I'd just like to make it clear that my invisibleness is personal and a result of being stalked, not because I wanted to hide from FG members. I think I may come out of hiding soon, things seem to have calmed down for now.
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flopstock;1315508 wrote: And I think one of the reasons there is a lack of rational discussion is the visible trash. I know that I go elsewhere for conversation quite a bit more often these days.


Add another reason....the arcade and casino. If those were taken away like it's suggested with room and word threads, it would bring folks back to the boards posting.
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Betty Boop;1315620 wrote:



I'd just like to make it clear that my invisibleness is personal and a result of being stalked, not because I wanted to hide from FG members. I think I may come out of hiding soon, things seem to have calmed down for now.


No. They havent calmed down. Im just being patient.
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Mustang;1315621 wrote: Add another reason....the arcade and casino. If those were taken away like it's suggested with room and word threads, it would bring folks back to the boards posting.
I can't agree there Mustang as so many games are available on the net free, yet i don't believe it's the moderation either.
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Mustang;1315621 wrote: Add another reason....the arcade and casino. If those were taken away like it's suggested with room and word threads, it would bring folks back to the boards posting.


I dont think its up to us to decide what facilities are allowed on the forum or what type of threads there should be. Of course we are still allowed an opinoin on it:)

I think as far as word games threads etc, Spots suggestion would be a good idea to keep everyone happy, no need to get rid , but put them in a certain area to be kept off front pages. As far as the Arcade and Casino goes,, im not sure but i dont think many people use the Casino now:-3and the Arcade has been here longer then i have and it never stopped people posting before, so i dont think thats an issue:thinking:




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Betty Boop;1315620 wrote:



I'd just like to make it clear that my invisibleness is personal and a result of being stalked, not because I wanted to hide from FG members. I think I may come out of hiding soon, things seem to have calmed down for now.




I'm sorry that happened to you Betty...glad things are calming down.



There's nothing wrong with being on 'invisible.' Sometimes it's nice to just log on and read the threads quietly. It's like waking up and having a peaceful cup of coffee/tea before the family gets up:wah::p
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Betty Boop;1315620 wrote:



I'd just like to make it clear that my invisibleness is personal and a result of being stalked, not because I wanted to hide from FG members. I think I may come out of hiding soon, things seem to have calmed down for now.




I do it because I had 4 machines with FG as my homepage. So I was always on, even when I was not. Better that folks think I'm not around then that they asked for help and I ignored them.



Although I will ignore them, come to think of it.:thinking:



If you can't be bothered to hit the report button, leave us alone and deal with it yourself, IMO.
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Mustang;1315621 wrote: Add another reason....the arcade and casino. If those were taken away like it's suggested with room and word threads, it would bring folks back to the boards posting.


Difference is that they don't take over the home page.:thinking:



Although you do have agood point. I started wandering off to the arcade rather then continue pointlesss debates, a while ago. Then I started wandering off to the arcade when certain folks entered conversations and I knew that conversation was over. Then I'd wander off to the arcade rather then tell folks what morons they really are.



Now I don't wander off to the arcade as much. I just wander off.:D
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flopstock;1315638 wrote: Difference is that they don't take over the home page.:thinking:



Although you do have agood point. I started wandering off to the arcade rather then continue pointlesss debates, a while ago. Then I started wandering off to the arcade when certain folks entered conversations and I knew that conversation was over. Then I'd wander off to the arcade rather then tell folks what morons they really are.



Now I don't wander off to the arcade as much. I just wander off.:D


Im unaware of you ever once wandering off as opposed to referring to me as a moron.
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Nomad;1315641 wrote: Im unaware of you ever once wandering off as opposed to referring to me as a moron.
Why are you here when i'm talking to you about giant shrimps on facebook?
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Mustang;1315621 wrote: Add another reason....the arcade and casino. If those were taken away like it's suggested with room and word threads, it would bring folks back to the boards posting.


The decision to remove word games, arcade, casino and rooms, forumgarden will loose a lot of posters and members.

has anyone asked members how they feel about this?
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Peter Lake;1315642 wrote: Why are you here when i'm talking to you about giant shrimps on facebook?


Clearly my priorities are misguided.

We have much to discuss regarding giant shrimps.
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Peter Lake;1315642 wrote: Why are you here when i'm talking to you about giant shrimps on facebook?


:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl Like you Nomad has probably got the two forums on the one screen ! ;) :D
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Odie;1315643 wrote: The decision to remove word games, arcade, casino and rooms, forumgarden will loose a lot of posters and members.

has anyone asked members how they feel about this? Oscar ran a poll on word games recently.

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/polls ... games.html
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Peter Lake;1315597 wrote: I'll start here odie by just pointing out that this is not my wife writing this :rolleyes: She's at this moment in Cheltenham staring at a horse so that should save you some typing. ;)

I'm not trolling your post as i've read all with interest but it so happens your post is beyond belief. One sleepless night just over a year ago you saw i was logged on and sent me messages that Carolly and you were sick of my wife posting about Gordon Brown. In all those messages that went back and forth, i pointed out to you that this was a general forum with many British posters and as Gordon Brown was our Prime Minister and ran our country, many of the British posters had interest in what the man was doing even if most thought he was a pillock. You were rather put out further and i had no choice but to message you back telling you that as a general forum my wife had the right to post what she liked about whom she liked in the political section. When you continued to complain, i finally told you that if you'd no interest in our Prime Minister, then don't read the threads and avoid posting in them. As i remember, you didn't like being told this and now, here you are stating the same about your word games. What has changed your opinion now? You complain over anothers threads yet now your getting a little flack over your word games, you become the oracle of reasonability here. I told you back then that you can't dictate to members what they post on yet here i am reading the same but this time it's coming from you.

My wife and i have no secrets, i read her e mail and if she can read mine any time she likes. I won't go into details about your e mails to my wife before she took you off her christmas card list as i don't want to get personal but you often spoke of your dislike for another female member on this forum yet knowing that it irritated the life out of her, you continued to post on her room. From what i've seen that's one reason some of the rooms have died here.

Then other messages forwarded to my wife spoke of a campaign to get Spot banned by getting members to report his posts repeatedly. I'll not go further than this but it's this kind of back room plotting against members that's also damaged this forum. The difference between my wife and you odie, is if she thinks someone is a ****wit, she'll tell them, not everyone else ;)


This is the kind of post that pisses me off. Who cares? If you don't like a particular type of thread don't look at them. If you decide you don't like a particular member tell them privately and put them on ignore don't tell everybody else. I've occasionally antagonised someone and either apologise on the thread or do it privately. If someone stays annoyed then quite frankly I have better things to worry about. It's like the jeremy kyle show or something (pleased to say I have never actually watched it) maybe jerry springer then, sometimes as people air their grievances in public. I didn't know odie was sending you private messages and now I do know I don't care. But tell me why do you feel the need to bring it up at all? If it was a private message keep it that way please - otherwise why have private messages at all? get therapy somewhere else.

Incidentally I was the one who suggested that your wife was posting in your name because of the lousy spelling and the tone of the thread.
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Nomad;1315644 wrote: Clearly my priorities are misguided.

We have much to discuss regarding giant shrimps.
I have to go out now my friend but we'll resume the topic of how you could make a tent out of a giant shrimps shell later tonight as these things need to be investigated.
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It's very sad for me to read what's going on here in the garden where conversations of life were once welcomed and respected by others. Seems to me that the larger the member base grew the respect issue got tossed to the curb. Can we all get along all of the time? Of course we can't as we all have different backgrounds and opinions. Can we respect each other? Of course we can all it takes is a little effort and compasion before attacking one another. It seems like we've turned into a pack of wolves just laying low and waiting to spring on the next prey.

People enjoy forum games and their "rooms" for it's a safe haven for them. They don't get attacked and are able to enjoy peace. Take that away and what have you accomplished?

You want the sparkle back then learn respect. Respect not only for your fellow members but for the moderation team here as well.
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Bill Sikes;1313471 wrote: Hm. I wonder why. Just one of those things, I suppose.


This has turned out to be an interesting thread. Presented are information, opinions, and humor. Thank you, Mr. Sikes. I'm not sure what you mean by "sparkle', but in my opinion, it exists here. :)

The Forum Garden Hotel and the "Rooms" therein do serve a purpose. The postings in my room, AFTR's Daily Commute, are made there instead of cluttering up the front page. I stated this on the onset. It is place where I can post my thoughts, or pictures, or insert poems or quotes that I like. You all are indeed welcome to read and post there. Your choice. My post count to me is moot. I am not a chatty person, so I do not use my thread for that purpose.



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Odie;1315643 wrote: The decision to remove word games, arcade, casino and rooms, forumgarden will loose a lot of posters and members.

has anyone asked members how they feel about this?


This is a thread about venting opinions Odie, which everyone is entitled to. ;)

The only person that has any control over what stays or goes is the site owner. So, we can discuss opinions and options all we want, and the owner can reject any or all ideas if he so chooses.

I'd like to see the arcade and casino shut down for a little bit just to see IF traffic is diverted back to the boards.

I don't have a problem with word games or room threads. Doesn't take much to walk past them if one doesn't want to post at them. Same goes for some of the religious or political threads too. Different strokes for different folks. :guitarist
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gmc;1315647 wrote:

Incidentally I was the one who suggested that your wife was posting in your name because of the lousy spelling and the tone of the thread.
Then you've missed a great deal on other threads in the past few weeks. I don't like hypocrisy, simple. Talking of hypocrisy, you're now talking the exact opposite of your previous posts.
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Nomad;1315644 wrote: Clearly my priorities are misguided.

We have much to discuss regarding giant shrimps.


are those the ones planning to take over the earth? :eek:

Sorry, don't know if that came from the Scientologists or truthbringer. ( oh dear now I've offended someone's religious beliefs and made fun of another's, thank god I'm not catholic so at least I don't feel guilty about it)
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C'mon guys, this has got personal yet again! Stop with the naming names and burying hatchets in others backs. After all, if this were a pub/bar or somewhere similar you would not plonk yourself down next to the person across the street you don't get on with. Unless of course you have every intention of making the effort to sort your differences.

You don't expect the landlord to sort your fights either in a pub/bar setting and it's high time some of the membership stopped expecting the mods to sort thier fights too.
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Here, here, BB !
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Well, at least this thread is giving an airing to our various points of view...can't be a bad thing.
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Yes it's about time things were sorted out. Other sites seem to be trundling along quite well, so there is something happening on FG that is causing a leakage of members. I'm sure it can be sorted, particularly if members put their opinions on this thread.
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Nomad;1315641 wrote: Im unaware of you ever once wandering off as opposed to referring to me as a moron.:driving::yh_loser











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Betty Boop;1315655 wrote: C'mon guys, this has got personal yet again! Stop with the naming names and burying hatchets in others backs. After all, if this were a pub/bar or somewhere similar you would not plonk yourself down next to the person across the street you don't get on with. Unless of course you have every intention of making the effort to sort your differences.

You don't expect the landlord to sort your fights either in a pub/bar setting and it's high time some of the membership stopped expecting the mods to sort thier fights too.


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I think the loss of sparkle stems from the fact that many see FG dominated and led by those from the UK. I do not feel this way nor I am sure do other Yanks like Nomad, Hoppy etc., however my countrymen for the most part seem to be very regional in their interests and tend to be intimidated by discussion outside of their domain. Just my 2 cents.
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Lon;1315726 wrote: I think the loss of sparkle stems from the fact that many see FG dominated and led by those from the UK. I do not feel this way nor I am sure do other Yanks like Nomad, Hoppy etc., however my countrymen for the most part seem to be very regional in their interests and tend to be intimidated by discussion outside of their domain. Just my 2 cents.


Oh dear :thinking:
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theia;1315740 wrote: Oh dear :thinking:


See, I knew it was all your fault.

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G#Gill;1315479 wrote: It was not a good day when Friends Of Carol thread stopped. That thread was full of fun, laughter, a few tears, jokes, cartoons, poetry, absolutely everything. It had people posting virtually 24/7, just look at the stats for it. I believe it was the most successful and busy thread that there ever has been on Forum Garden. But as has been said things change, people change and come and go. People get bored and try other sites. People fall out, and people fall back in :yh_rotfl Some one should be able to give a reason why the site is going through a 'bad' patch. I have my own ideas why, one of which I have already mentioned - FOC was a unique thread, and I doubt any other thread will ever achieve the records that one did, and I do not count the blinkin word game threads!


Gill, did FOC finish in 2008...I just clicked the link and it appears to have closed two years ago in October. Or is there another thread too that you haven't linked?
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Lon;1315726 wrote: I think the loss of sparkle stems from the fact that many see FG dominated and led by those from the UK. I do not feel this way nor I am sure do other Yanks like Nomad, Hoppy etc., however my countrymen for the most part seem to be very regional in their interests and tend to be intimidated by discussion outside of their domain. Just my 2 cents.


I couldn't resist. :D

Ps. My UK FG buddies do not intimidate me. Bewitch, bother, and bewilder sometimes, but never intimidate. ;)
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along-for-the-ride;1315748 wrote: I couldn't resist. :D



Ps. My UK FG buddies do not intimidate me. Bewitch, bother, and bewilder sometimes, but never intimidate. ;)


I agree with you Along. I am not intimidated by anyone in FG. I become frustrated at times though. When I'm frustrated, I don't bother to respond or continue a discussion as it's useless...like beating a dead horse.



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theia;1315747 wrote: Gill, did FOC finish in 2008...I just clicked the link and it appears to have closed two years ago in October. Or is there another thread too that you haven't linked?


FOC part one reached 40,000 posts and we were asked to archive it and start FOC part two. It was Part 2 that was deleted. Part 1, however, is still available for people to read if they check in the 'Forums' list. You can also click on the Link in my signature, or Kaz's. :-6 :D
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spot;1315743 wrote: See, I knew it was all your fault.



theia turned me into a newt.


Oh come now. You were a newt long before Theia came along.
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Lon;1315726 wrote: I think the loss of sparkle stems from the fact that many see FG dominated and led by those from the UK. I do not feel this way nor I am sure do other Yanks like Nomad, Hoppy etc., however my countrymen for the most part seem to be very regional in their interests and tend to be intimidated by discussion outside of their domain. Just my 2 cents.


They never used to be. Maybe we are just used to fairly robust political discussions and if you can't back up your corner you either learn how to or keep out of political discussion. I find it very hard to credit that your countrymen are actually that intimidated by someone disagreeing with them.
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Define "sparkle".:confused:
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hoppy;1315817 wrote: Define "sparkle".:confused:


A multiplicity of swiftly-moving threads in which one is eagerly participating.
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spot;1315818 wrote: A multiplicity of swiftly-moving threads in which one is eagerly participating.


Maybe threads would move more swiftly if posts were short and to the point, rather than book length. Just MHO.:)
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hoppy;1315819 wrote: Maybe threads would move more swiftly if posts were short and to the point, rather than book length. Just MHO.:)


The number of posts I've made which have exceeded one screen length could be counted on a single hand (if you exclude any huge quote I've left in place to show what was actually in a message at the time I replied to it). I make a point of not writing more than one screenfull. I don't waffle, either. I even try to stick to short sentences for clarity, though I have a preference for precision and accuracy which sometimes complicates matters.
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Nomad;1315783 wrote: Oh come now. You were a newt long before Theia came along.


Oh no he wasn't :sneaky:
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well, if this thread is about voicing opinions without fear of comeback then i will voice my two pennuth.............not that i am bothered about comeback since im not sure how much longer i will be 'coming back'

i joined this place on a whim after finding the place by accident..........was looking for a new hangout and thought i would give it ago

but there are too many things that either leave a nasty taste in my mouth or i simply find too boring, which stops me from even thinking about logging in regulary

1....mods are too officious....slightest little thing and you throw your weight around.....and its for things which are considered the norm on every other forum ive been on

2....too many games!!!!........log on and find a page worth of 'words beginning with ..... and its so off putting ..you have to look for threads worth reading

3....too many threads about religon or tinfoil hat conspiracy theories that no one is the slightest bit interested in

4...not being able to have custom avs or a decent mail box size without paying for the privlige.....ive been told that its cos the owner wants it that way, well im afraid he needs to get real if he wants the forum to survive............i am a member of around 50 forums.....this is the only one i have come across that requires payment to get what is normal on all the others (and to me a custom av is quite an important thing)

i think you need to realise that this is a dying forum, people are leaving.....i am probably one of them.....ive found a new home already where people actually have fun......its layout is bright and cheerful.....its actually nice to log on there and find lots of new posts.........i havnt been here for about 4 days and theres only 3 pages of new posts.............im used to seeing that every 2 hours on one of the boards i am a regular of

its no use reminising about how great the board used to ............it either needs a bloody good redesign with new attitudes or it need putting out of its misery

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Just a thought, but I wonder if Tombstone is discreetly TRYING to kill this forum...?
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Clodhopper;1315878 wrote: Just a thought, but I wonder if Tombstone is discreetly TRYING to kill this forum...?


I just had the same thought, Clod :thinking:
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Clodhopper;1315878 wrote: Just a thought, but I wonder if Tombstone is discreetly TRYING to kill this forum...?


theia;1315880 wrote: I just had the same thought, Clod :thinking:


why though?? if he dont want it anymore cant he just sell it?pass it on to someone who wants to take it over? shut it down? :confused:




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I don't think he (I assume "he" for no good reason) is short of cash. The sort of internet entrepreneur who surfed this wave is likely to have other projects. If he depended on this site for his living he would be more active on the site.

These other projects probably interest him. This sort of site is "been there done that got the t shirt" for him these days. It may get him some kudos amongst his mates for having it or something. Beyond that - this site and the contributors bore him.

Either that or he's hit the bottle bigtime! :D
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Clodhopper;1315883 wrote: I don't think he (I assume "he" for no good reason) is short of cash. The sort of internet entrepreneur who surfed this wave is likely to have other projects. If he depended on this site for his living he would be more active on the site.

These other projects probably interest him. This sort of site is "been there done that got the t shirt" for him these days. It may get him some kudos amongst his mates for having it or something. Beyond that - this site and the contributors bore him.

Either that or he's hit the bottle bigtime! :D


well thats a shame if that was the case:thinking:, but it does seem at times that he does not have much if any input:-3

If he had hit the bottle he would probs be on here telling us all to STFU !!!:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl




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Clodhopper;1315883 wrote: I don't think he (I assume "he" for no good reason) is short of cash. The sort of internet entrepreneur who surfed this wave is likely to have other projects. If he depended on this site for his living he would be more active on the site.

These other projects probably interest him. This sort of site is "been there done that got the t shirt" for him these days. It may get him some kudos amongst his mates for having it or something. Beyond that - this site and the contributors bore him.

Either that or he's hit the bottle bigtime! :D


Actually Tombstone is a really nice person...he used to post on here regularly at one time.
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kazalala;1315882 wrote: why though?? if he dont want it anymore cant he just sell it?pass it on to someone who wants to take it over? shut it down? :confused:
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beowulf;1315876 wrote: well, if this thread is about voicing opinions without fear of comeback then i will voice my two pennuth.............not that i am bothered about comeback since im not sure how much longer i will be 'coming back'

i joined this place on a whim after finding the place by accident..........was looking for a new hangout and thought i would give it ago

but there are too many things that either leave a nasty taste in my mouth or i simply find too boring, which stops me from even thinking about logging in regulary

1....mods are too officious....slightest little thing and you throw your weight around.....and its for things which are considered the norm on every other forum ive been on

2....too many games!!!!........log on and find a page worth of 'words beginning with ..... and its so off putting ..you have to look for threads worth reading

3....too many threads about religon or tinfoil hat conspiracy theories that no one is the slightest bit interested in

4...not being able to have custom avs or a decent mail box size without paying for the privlige.....ive been told that its cos the owner wants it that way, well im afraid he needs to get real if he wants the forum to survive............i am a member of around 50 forums.....this is the only one i have come across that requires payment to get what is normal on all the others (and to me a custom av is quite an important thing)

i think you need to realise that this is a dying forum, people are leaving.....i am probably one of them.....ive found a new home already where people actually have fun......its layout is bright and cheerful.....its actually nice to log on there and find lots of new posts.........i havnt been here for about 4 days and theres only 3 pages of new posts.............im used to seeing that every 2 hours on one of the boards i am a regular of

its no use reminising about how great the board used to ............it either needs a bloody good redesign with new attitudes or it need putting out of its misery

*awaits comeback for actually having an opinion and daring to voice it*


I've been a member for almost six years, never contacted a moderator about anything and have only been contacted once to let me know a thread was being shut down for some reason - a vicious petty quarrel had started between two of the posters after something I posted if I remember correctly. I've been involved in some quite heated discussions, never looked at any of the games threads never mind bothered counting them so I don't know if there are too many. Religion is endlessly fascinating to argue about as is politics - at least I find them so - and I just don't bother with anything I don't find interesting so I can't understand why a lot of threads on religion or tinfoil conspiracies are a problem - don't read them problem solved. Does seem some people find them interesting my only beef is you should be able to talk to a tinfoil conspiracy theorist without them sulking because they think they are being laughed at. You should be able to discuss religion without some idiot butting in to tell you shouldn't be discussing religion in case you offend somebody. Bollocks to that.

Why would tombstone need to discreetly try and kill the forum? all he has to do is turn it off.

Maybe some additional rules or pointers.

1) don't read threads you find boring.

2) don't post on threads to say you find the subject matter boring.

3) Don't post on threads to tell people they should not be arguing - that is the whole point of a discussion forum.

3) If you make sweeping generalisations don't sulk if someone asks you to justify them.

4) If you post your pet theory on a discussion forum don't be surprised if someone disagrees and wants to talk about it. A one sided discussion where you say something and everybody to tells you you are wonderful and incredibly wise is a form of intellectual masturbation and there are places you can go for that.

Don't post telling people they should respect someone's tinpot theory and not discuss it or take the **** out of it - sometimes it's really hard not to.

5) Someone disagreeing with you is not a personal attack they are simply disagreeing with you. It's an anonymous forum nobody knows you unless you decide to PM etc etc so it can't possibly be personal. get a life and a grip on reality. half the time you can't even tell if the poster is male or female unless the name gives a clue, or whether they are black, brown or pink with red bits where they have been out in the sun too long.

6) you can't discuss politics without bringing national government in to it but it does not follow that is a personal attack aimed at a particular nationality. Grow some national pride and stop worrying what foreigners think, if you think them wrong make your case and try not to throw the toys out the pram. it doesn't impress anyone.

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