A call to change school times for boys.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:03 pm

There is now a call to change the starting time for the school day for boys .

some schools have introduced it .

Basically boys around the ages of 14 to 17 begin school at 11 am instead of the 8:30 - 9:00am time.

In schools where they have the 11:00 am starts, boys are a lot more pleasant and alert and actually (don't faint here) enjoy learning and co operate more during class time.

Anyone else here with teenage boys? Anyone had to get boys out of bed for school at 6am?

If it benefits my boys I'm all for a later start time to the school day.

Your thoughts?

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:06 pm

That is an interesting thought. I think it depends on the kid, just like adults. Some are morning persons, some are later on in the day.

I'll take the early ones, I'm a morning person.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:22 pm

They obviously have dealt with my 13 year old Grand Daughter she would be much better if they had night school. :-6

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:37 pm

I'm more of a morning person, myself. By afternoon my brain is running out of gas.

I wonder how much it would cost to segregate students based on optimal learning time. :yh_think

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:44 pm

What time would they get done?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:16 pm

Peg;1323450 wrote: What time would they get done?
About 3 minutes after they start. :wah:

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:09 pm

Oh, that sounds like the way they were today..................

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:14 pm

fuzzywuzzy;1323427 wrote: There is now a call to change the starting time for the school day for boys .

some schools have introduced it .

Basically boys around the ages of 14 to 17 begin school at 11 am instead of the 8:30 - 9:00am time.

In schools where they have the 11:00 am starts, boys are a lot more pleasant and alert and actually (don't faint here) enjoy learning and co operate more during class time.

Anyone else here with teenage boys? Anyone had to get boys out of bed for school at 6am?

If it benefits my boys I'm all for a later start time to the school day.

Your thoughts?

another reason, I think it makes it safer.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:24 pm

Peg;1323450 wrote: What time would they get done?

4 pm . They wouldn't have a lunch break or an afternoon break but small breaks inbetween. So it works out to be the same school time held in class per day. YOu're basically talking upper school level students ......about the time teenage boys tend to zone out due to growth spurts and boredom etc. Apparently it keeps them in school too.

I'd like to hear from teachers and psychologists and if we have other professionals (in professions that relate to children) and their personal views.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:27 pm

Accountable;1323456 wrote: About 3 minutes after they start. :wah:

See? it's interesting that you say that because the whole idea apparently avoids that teenage boy zoning out .

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:29 pm

Accountable;1323447 wrote: I'm more of a morning person, myself. By afternoon my brain is running out of gas.

I wonder how much it would cost to segregate students based on optimal learning time. :yh_think

We've done that here . Same school but segregated classes ..works well according to studies. if you're talking sex segregation. Otherwise as I said it's the upper high school classes ...so far it's only been implemented in boys private schools . They reckon it works a treat. (teachers still have to do the whole day though. Could you imagine having all morning to do out of class work, before entering the classroom? ...that's got to be a bonus for busy teachers.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:17 am

fuzzywuzzy;1323503 wrote: We've done that here . Same school but segregated classes ..works well according to studies. if you're talking sex segregation. Otherwise as I said it's the upper high school classes ...so far it's only been implemented in boys private schools . They reckon it works a treat. (teachers still have to do the whole day though. Could you imagine having all morning to do out of class work, before entering the classroom? ...that's got to be a bonus for busy teachers.Sex segregation?? Good Lord, no. I was talking about evaluating all the kids to find out the optimal time of day for each one to learn, then have the morning kids go in the morning, afternoon kids go in the afternoon, and so on. Segregating by sex just leads to stereotyping.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:16 am

I'm sure a lot of girls would benefit by going later also.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:40 am

As an employer, will we be required in the future to have our employees tell us their optimum time for work? At 14-17 yrs old I would think its time to teach them what the real world is like. Not asking them what time of day would they like to do what is expected of them.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:45 am

YZGI;1323556 wrote: As an employer, will we be required in the future to have our employees tell us their optimum time for work? At 14-17 yrs old I would think its time to teach them what the real world is like. Not asking them what time of day would they like to do what is expected of them.
Wouldn't you be willing to adjust a little if you knew that your best worker could be even more productive if you moved his hours back a couple of hours? Or if you could make that mediocre employee into a real go-getter by putting him on swing shift?

The real world we live in isn't the real world our grandparents lived in. Where is it written that it can't change again?

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:50 am

Accountable;1323589 wrote: Wouldn't you be willing to adjust a little if you knew that your best worker could be even more productive if you moved his hours back a couple of hours? Or if you could make that mediocre employee into a real go-getter by putting him on swing shift?

The real world we live in isn't the real world our grandparents lived in. Where is it written that it can't change again?

Good point, but then the businesses I do work for would have to change their business hours. Also, instead of being open from 8-5 I might have to be open from 6-10 to cater to different needs of different workers which would run up my utility costs. I also like to be here to handle any problems or make decisions and I don't want to work more hours.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:46 pm

I'm not talking about future employment for children. I'm talking about a certain age group where boys tend to 'drop off' a little due to a biological and psychological growth. For instance I watch my own fifteen year old, he's 6'2 and when he goes through another growth spurt all human communication stops and he sleeps and sleeps . This is not laziness, it's simply his biological clock doing this to him. I've spoken to other mothers at football and they seem to be all the same . All good kids but it's like they have dropped off the earth temperarily.

yeah Peg I think it would help a few girls too, I began to grow and change at sixteen ......whacked the life out of me.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:42 pm

I had one student in particular that was an especially late starter. Failed everything until January, then he was okay.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:57 pm

I have a 7th grader next year, had him two years ago in 6th. He failed 7th. He would definitely fit into this topic, he never could wake up until about 10 or so in the morning. I wish his solids had been scheduled for the afternoon.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:11 am

Did he have any sleeping problems like sleep apnea or anything?