In a real Relationship with God, its a " Two Way thing", both Know each other. The Apostle Paul states something of intrest in Galations 4:9;" But now that you have come to Know God", then he abruptly stops and restates;" Or rather to be Known by Him." This is a VERY interesting statement that tells us its possible for God not to " Know humans", or be in a Personal relationship with them. Because before these Galations " Came to be Known by God", they were not known by him.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
In John 6:44, Jesus states something of intrest;" No one can come to me, unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up." The definte point he makes here is that men cannot come to God on their own inititive. If and when they do, they are simply " Rasing themselves up." Not that its wrong to believe in God and go after him with all your Heart, but there is a " Biblically Revealed Process" in having a true relationship with God.
And theres no getting around it.
God has to " Draw you to him", or your simply comming on your own. When God does NOT draw a human to him, its NOT because he does not want to be in relationship with them, it ONLY means he not yet ready for that human to be in that spot. The calling of God is just a matter of time, eventually all will be called, but just not today. Yet so many believers think we are in an age of " Whosoever will, let them come."
And that has deceived many.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
And theres no getting around it.
God has to " Draw you to him", or your simply comming on your own. When God does NOT draw a human to him, its NOT because he does not want to be in relationship with them, it ONLY means he not yet ready for that human to be in that spot. The calling of God is just a matter of time, eventually all will be called, but just not today. Yet so many believers think we are in an age of " Whosoever will, let them come."
And that has deceived many.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
In John 3:27, John says something of intrest;" A man can receive nothing, unless it has been given him from Heaven." This is how conversion is started, we can't just do it on our own. We cannot receive simple belief, we cannot repent, we cannot change ourselves, we cannot give ourselves Gods Spirit,: we can't manipulate God-even with our goodness. We can do none of these things, unless Heaven gives it, or God grants it.
Even Jesus, as great as he is, can do nothing on his own; read that for yourself in John 5:30, Jesus said this himself.
So there exist a whole world of illusion out there, thousands, perhaps even millions of people believing themselves to be converted, because they were taught from others that all you have to do is confess and believe. And that means their conversion was up to them, initititated by them, controlled by them.
It was powered by THEIR belief! And thats why this whole thing can be so confusing.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Even Jesus, as great as he is, can do nothing on his own; read that for yourself in John 5:30, Jesus said this himself.
So there exist a whole world of illusion out there, thousands, perhaps even millions of people believing themselves to be converted, because they were taught from others that all you have to do is confess and believe. And that means their conversion was up to them, initititated by them, controlled by them.
It was powered by THEIR belief! And thats why this whole thing can be so confusing.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
In Heb.2:4 it states that God " Gives Gifts of the Holy Spirit", according to HIS will. The Holy Spirit is given " According to God", not according to how we live or believe. Not according to what confessions we make, not according to ANYTHING about us or what we do! But see we have been led to believe that our salvation, somehow, is up to us! Believers like to center it on themselves, which is self glory. They give themselves credit for doing things that only God can do.
But thats how we have been trained. The calling of God is a matter of time, we just like to take that calling unto ourselves, and thus make the calling of God " A human choice", and we miss the real foundation of the biblical picture.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
But thats how we have been trained. The calling of God is a matter of time, we just like to take that calling unto ourselves, and thus make the calling of God " A human choice", and we miss the real foundation of the biblical picture.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
One of the most hurtful experiences I have had to realize in my life, is that God has not called me. That he has not given me his Spirit, that I have to struggle for righteousness on my own, and thats just impossible to do. The things I struggle against are just far more powerful than I. But I have to be honest and truthful to myself, be for real and admit that what I don't have, I just do not have.
It would be relatively easy for me to deceive myself, become a teacher just off of my talent, and make myself and others believe that God has annointed me.
Its VERY easy to do that.
Yet harder to realize that your just not now on Gods list. Its an empty crushing feeling.
And I want to go into the honesty of living without God.
Peace.
It would be relatively easy for me to deceive myself, become a teacher just off of my talent, and make myself and others believe that God has annointed me.
Its VERY easy to do that.
Yet harder to realize that your just not now on Gods list. Its an empty crushing feeling.
And I want to go into the honesty of living without God.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
[QUOTE=Mickiel;131774
Yet harder to realize that your just not now on Gods list. Its an empty crushing feeling.
And I want to go into the honesty of living without God.
Peace.
It takes " Something different" to be honest, and many people just either cannot or willnot do it consistantly. They will lie at their convience. And its easy to lie to yourself and then live that lie as if it is truth. People do this with religion everyday of their lives. People think they are saints, holy and who knows whatelse, and you can't tell them any different. They have been led to believe this by their churchs, their own study of the bible, and by media evangelist.
They have never stood in the " Honesty Mirror", looked themselves in the face, and asked: Do I really know God? And are not prepared to accept the real answer, the real truth.
What if you are not what you like to think you are? What if you cannot pacify the reality that is really around your life? What if you cannot Charm Away the evil that has slowly crept into your physce? In Isaiah 47:11, an interesting scripture;" But evil will come on you which you willnot know how to charm away."
And I want to go into how we try to " Charm Away that evil."
Peace.
Yet harder to realize that your just not now on Gods list. Its an empty crushing feeling.
And I want to go into the honesty of living without God.
Peace.
It takes " Something different" to be honest, and many people just either cannot or willnot do it consistantly. They will lie at their convience. And its easy to lie to yourself and then live that lie as if it is truth. People do this with religion everyday of their lives. People think they are saints, holy and who knows whatelse, and you can't tell them any different. They have been led to believe this by their churchs, their own study of the bible, and by media evangelist.
They have never stood in the " Honesty Mirror", looked themselves in the face, and asked: Do I really know God? And are not prepared to accept the real answer, the real truth.
What if you are not what you like to think you are? What if you cannot pacify the reality that is really around your life? What if you cannot Charm Away the evil that has slowly crept into your physce? In Isaiah 47:11, an interesting scripture;" But evil will come on you which you willnot know how to charm away."
And I want to go into how we try to " Charm Away that evil."
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
We first off try to " Charm away Evil" by seducing ourselves into thinking that it does not even exist in the first place. Astounding deception, your telling yourself that something that is in you, does not even exist! We try to Charm it away by thinking it has nothing to do with our situations in life, and that God does NOT use it. The inability to be honest with yourself about the reality of Evil, can push your consciousness back away from potential understanding for years!
We have to be honest with Evil.
And I want to go into what that means.
Peace.
We have to be honest with Evil.
And I want to go into what that means.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Being honest with evil means that you come to grips with its reality. One thing I find astounding about this whole thing; If we are to know God, how can we do that and not know his Adversary? Not understand that opponant. Because that opponant, is a componant of yourself! And most of the time, perhaps even all of the time, that we are deceived, its because of evil. When we think we are one thing, like being born again, but we really are another, believe me, evil has something to do with that strong self pacification.
And I want to continue on that.
Peace.
And I want to continue on that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
The " Pacafication of Self" is a very, very strong pull in our Consciousness. We will go to great lengths to elevate our emotional content and maintain that elevation. We will do anything to soothe the self. We will create lies and maintain those lies all of our lives, and live out the illusion as if its real.
And in Religion, oh how this is so real.
Peace.
And in Religion, oh how this is so real.
Peace.
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beowulf;1308856 wrote: :rolleyes:
good grief, you dont half talk some contradictory clap trap
you talk about not being religious but go to church, you pray to god but claim it isnt religeous but praying is a religeous activity
think you need to clarify things with yourself
Sorry let me clarify my definition of "religious" for you.
Firstly it is not a word ever used in the Holy Bible and my understanding of this word refers to large scale faiths which are typified by ritualism, repetition, and often superstition as well, particularly ritualistic superstition and repetitive prayers which contradict Jesus Guidance on praying.
Jesus certainly never made any reference to praying to an intercessor except for Him and never referred to Mary as his Mother.
The word Bishop is also a mistranslation of "Elder"
The Hierarchical principal in most organised large scale religions are not taken from the Holy Bible at all.
Whereas as small scale Church (after all Jesus Himself stated "2 or 3 people gathered together in my name are a Church") which can be one community is not Religious at all but purely Spiritual and I love small Churches which are not part of a larger organisation for I know that God Loves us to be spontaneous, creative and original wherever possible.
Spiritual is where by my blessed understanding we have a one to one TWO WAY relationship with God which is such a rich experience and unlike any other human relationship, simply Amazing at all times.
Bless you In Jesus Name
good grief, you dont half talk some contradictory clap trap
you talk about not being religious but go to church, you pray to god but claim it isnt religeous but praying is a religeous activity
think you need to clarify things with yourself
Sorry let me clarify my definition of "religious" for you.
Firstly it is not a word ever used in the Holy Bible and my understanding of this word refers to large scale faiths which are typified by ritualism, repetition, and often superstition as well, particularly ritualistic superstition and repetitive prayers which contradict Jesus Guidance on praying.
Jesus certainly never made any reference to praying to an intercessor except for Him and never referred to Mary as his Mother.
The word Bishop is also a mistranslation of "Elder"
The Hierarchical principal in most organised large scale religions are not taken from the Holy Bible at all.
Whereas as small scale Church (after all Jesus Himself stated "2 or 3 people gathered together in my name are a Church") which can be one community is not Religious at all but purely Spiritual and I love small Churches which are not part of a larger organisation for I know that God Loves us to be spontaneous, creative and original wherever possible.
Spiritual is where by my blessed understanding we have a one to one TWO WAY relationship with God which is such a rich experience and unlike any other human relationship, simply Amazing at all times.
Bless you In Jesus Name
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Mickiel;1308880 wrote: I like my prayers the way they are, and I do not accept suggestions as for what to talk to God about, I need none. I hold no intrest in what other believers think I should do about my situation, I deal only with God.
And if he says nothing to me, that is his answer for now. And I accept that, and keep my place in the Darkness. You don't know Gods plans for me, but I already know that.
My path is to walk alone in the Darkness, and only the God who put me there can release me. And you have no idea how hungry I am for Righteousness.
But I appriciate your concern, I will be just fine.
Peace.
Thank you for your considerate words, However I believe that God did not put you in darkness rather Adams fall plus Satans minions works are covering your perspective, the big questiuon is have you invited Jesus into your heart with all your heart? This is from the Bible after all, I have also replied to bewolf about what I mean by religious pls read this too
God Bless you in Jeus name Amen
And if he says nothing to me, that is his answer for now. And I accept that, and keep my place in the Darkness. You don't know Gods plans for me, but I already know that.
My path is to walk alone in the Darkness, and only the God who put me there can release me. And you have no idea how hungry I am for Righteousness.
But I appriciate your concern, I will be just fine.
Peace.
Thank you for your considerate words, However I believe that God did not put you in darkness rather Adams fall plus Satans minions works are covering your perspective, the big questiuon is have you invited Jesus into your heart with all your heart? This is from the Bible after all, I have also replied to bewolf about what I mean by religious pls read this too
God Bless you in Jeus name Amen
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
freethinkingthuthseeker;1322708 wrote: Sorry let me clarify my definition of "religious" for you.
Firstly it is not a word ever used in the Holy Bible Bless you In Jesus Name
Religious is used twice in the bible;Acts 13:43,James 1:26. Religion is used 5 times;Jas.1:26, 27;Gal.1:13;14,and Acts 26:5.
Just for your information.
Peace.
Firstly it is not a word ever used in the Holy Bible Bless you In Jesus Name
Religious is used twice in the bible;Acts 13:43,James 1:26. Religion is used 5 times;Jas.1:26, 27;Gal.1:13;14,and Acts 26:5.
Just for your information.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
freethinkingthuthseeker;1322710 wrote: Thank you for your considerate words, However I believe that God did not put you in darkness rather Adams fall plus Satans minions works are covering your perspective, the big questiuon is have you invited Jesus into your heart with all your heart? This is from the Bible after all, I have also replied to bewolf about what I mean by religious pls read this too
God Bless you in Jeus name Amen
Well I understand your belief. I do not believe in " The Fall of Adam", I believe in the " Set up of Adam to fail."
Peace.
God Bless you in Jeus name Amen
Well I understand your belief. I do not believe in " The Fall of Adam", I believe in the " Set up of Adam to fail."
Peace.
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Mickiel;1310737 wrote: There is only one sure way to determine a real Relationship with God , that I know of. In Galations 5:22-23, if a human has Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness and Self Control, comming out of them Continually, those are sure signs of a Personal Relationship with God. This is how I judge myself, its how I Know that I am not in one with him.
Thats just a stark reality that I have accepted, and its not a thing to be easily accepted by a believer in God. It kills illusion and emotional sight, and gets down to the " Personal Proof of things."
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Dear Mikael
I agree with a lot of what you have said in all your previous posts on the Relationship with God, particularly when you quote Scripture.
Yes indeed the Devil can deceive People as Jesus warned the Devil can appear as light and does help people to perform miracles, take Darren Brown for Instance who has sneakily yet publicly declared he has sold his soul to satan. satan can mimic many things which God does but he cannot mimic LOVE AND WHAT IS DONE WITH LOVE
However the Apostles after Pentecost appeared to perform greater miracles than Jesus did whilst on earth, but this was not by Peter but by God’s Holy Spirit and the mark of a genuine miracle is that it is done with Love, for no personal gain or Glory and that all the Credit goes to God and is done in Jesus Name
For example Peter healed people just by walking past them and letting his shadow fall over them which is in Acts yet hew prayed to God as he walked and healed by asking God by his Holy spirit in Jesus name to heal this person
Other People since the time when Jesus was a man on earth have also performed great Miracles but only trust those who give the Glory and credit to God.
However my experience of my TWO WAY personal relationship with God is in some respects like any human relationship for I am not with God All the time. That is not because God moves away for God never moves; it is just that I sometimes move away from this Beautiful Light.
Sometimes I neglect God; sometimes I get busy with Human rubbish and do things without giving the Glory to God.
However, when I am with God and it has been a lot over the last 5 years my life has been so rich and rewarding, cosmic and incredible, humorous and miraculous.
God has answered Big questions of mine which I could get no answer from Anyone previously, such as why does the prayer “the Creed” have the words “He descended into hell”?
This is nowhere in the Bible regarding Jesus.
Yet the answer came to me and made perfect sense.
Other amazing questions have been answered for me
The way to know if any information or ideas which are new in your mind is to check are they 100% unambiguous? Is it 100% profound Truth? And is it consistent with Gods Standards and full of Love?
If the answer to all 3 is yes, you can be sure it is from God.
There is a significantly different quality to a communication from God it is often profoundly powerful yet simple.
I urge you for your own curiosity sake to read the Book” a cop for Christ” which is an account by a new York cop of his contrast between when he met God and his life before, a truly remarkable yet quite small book.
Another great book is Michael Green’s “I believe in satans downfall “which is a fantastically intellectual and spiritually inspired analysis of the Big ongoing story throughout the Bible of the Battle with the unholy enemy.
God comes to me in dreams, through my conscious; through the words of other people, through music, through a voice in my head as an answer to any serious question I have of God whom mostly no human could answer, God makes me laugh and cry with the beauty of His Incredible love.
I refer to God in the first person whenever possible for he is here and now and always was and will always be.
I cannot understand much of the Bible without God but it all makes sense with God.
God protects me in dangerous environments where likely assailants cannot even look at my face
I recently said something in a debate with a slightly drunk semi serious muslim at a bus stop which he concluded disrespected the quran and he became angry and went to strike me, when his hand connected with my face, it was like a soft caress he could not hit me with force even though he was angry and wanted to hurt me,.
I turned the other check but he could not continue.
So much more has happened that there is no wishful thinking or imaginative goings on. Quite simply when you have Gods Holy Spirit within you yes you do have all the qualities you listed of patience, love, peace kindness, mercy charity etc but on top of that when you truely walk with God no one on earth can hurt you in any way at all.
it takes time to know God personally but only as long as you are ready for but for me as I approach the end of my first 5 years og beginning to know God, I am beginning to Love God happily
God bless you Mikael
Thats just a stark reality that I have accepted, and its not a thing to be easily accepted by a believer in God. It kills illusion and emotional sight, and gets down to the " Personal Proof of things."
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Dear Mikael
I agree with a lot of what you have said in all your previous posts on the Relationship with God, particularly when you quote Scripture.
Yes indeed the Devil can deceive People as Jesus warned the Devil can appear as light and does help people to perform miracles, take Darren Brown for Instance who has sneakily yet publicly declared he has sold his soul to satan. satan can mimic many things which God does but he cannot mimic LOVE AND WHAT IS DONE WITH LOVE
However the Apostles after Pentecost appeared to perform greater miracles than Jesus did whilst on earth, but this was not by Peter but by God’s Holy Spirit and the mark of a genuine miracle is that it is done with Love, for no personal gain or Glory and that all the Credit goes to God and is done in Jesus Name
For example Peter healed people just by walking past them and letting his shadow fall over them which is in Acts yet hew prayed to God as he walked and healed by asking God by his Holy spirit in Jesus name to heal this person
Other People since the time when Jesus was a man on earth have also performed great Miracles but only trust those who give the Glory and credit to God.
However my experience of my TWO WAY personal relationship with God is in some respects like any human relationship for I am not with God All the time. That is not because God moves away for God never moves; it is just that I sometimes move away from this Beautiful Light.
Sometimes I neglect God; sometimes I get busy with Human rubbish and do things without giving the Glory to God.
However, when I am with God and it has been a lot over the last 5 years my life has been so rich and rewarding, cosmic and incredible, humorous and miraculous.
God has answered Big questions of mine which I could get no answer from Anyone previously, such as why does the prayer “the Creed” have the words “He descended into hell”?
This is nowhere in the Bible regarding Jesus.
Yet the answer came to me and made perfect sense.
Other amazing questions have been answered for me
The way to know if any information or ideas which are new in your mind is to check are they 100% unambiguous? Is it 100% profound Truth? And is it consistent with Gods Standards and full of Love?
If the answer to all 3 is yes, you can be sure it is from God.
There is a significantly different quality to a communication from God it is often profoundly powerful yet simple.
I urge you for your own curiosity sake to read the Book” a cop for Christ” which is an account by a new York cop of his contrast between when he met God and his life before, a truly remarkable yet quite small book.
Another great book is Michael Green’s “I believe in satans downfall “which is a fantastically intellectual and spiritually inspired analysis of the Big ongoing story throughout the Bible of the Battle with the unholy enemy.
God comes to me in dreams, through my conscious; through the words of other people, through music, through a voice in my head as an answer to any serious question I have of God whom mostly no human could answer, God makes me laugh and cry with the beauty of His Incredible love.
I refer to God in the first person whenever possible for he is here and now and always was and will always be.
I cannot understand much of the Bible without God but it all makes sense with God.
God protects me in dangerous environments where likely assailants cannot even look at my face
I recently said something in a debate with a slightly drunk semi serious muslim at a bus stop which he concluded disrespected the quran and he became angry and went to strike me, when his hand connected with my face, it was like a soft caress he could not hit me with force even though he was angry and wanted to hurt me,.
I turned the other check but he could not continue.
So much more has happened that there is no wishful thinking or imaginative goings on. Quite simply when you have Gods Holy Spirit within you yes you do have all the qualities you listed of patience, love, peace kindness, mercy charity etc but on top of that when you truely walk with God no one on earth can hurt you in any way at all.
it takes time to know God personally but only as long as you are ready for but for me as I approach the end of my first 5 years og beginning to know God, I am beginning to Love God happily
God bless you Mikael
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Mickiel;1322718 wrote: Well I understand your belief. I do not believe in " The Fall of Adam", I believe in the " Set up of Adam to fail."
Peace.
Yes inded but he Did have free will, he was not Forced to eat the forbidden fruit but he was advised by his Creator not to eat it!
Peace.
Yes inded but he Did have free will, he was not Forced to eat the forbidden fruit but he was advised by his Creator not to eat it!
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
freethinkingthuthseeker;1322722 wrote:
So much more has happened that there is no wishful thinking or imaginative goings on. Quite simply when you have Gods Holy Spirit within you yes you do have all the qualities you listed of patience, love, peace kindness, mercy charity etc but on top of that when you truely walk with God no one on earth can hurt you in any way at all.
it takes time to know God personally but only as long as you are ready for but for me as I approach the end of my first 5 years og beginning to know God, I am beginning to Love God happily
God bless you Mikael
Well I am happy for your experiences with the Holy Spirit, you are very fortunate, I have no such experiences.
I wish you well on your journey.
Peace.
So much more has happened that there is no wishful thinking or imaginative goings on. Quite simply when you have Gods Holy Spirit within you yes you do have all the qualities you listed of patience, love, peace kindness, mercy charity etc but on top of that when you truely walk with God no one on earth can hurt you in any way at all.
it takes time to know God personally but only as long as you are ready for but for me as I approach the end of my first 5 years og beginning to know God, I am beginning to Love God happily
God bless you Mikael
Well I am happy for your experiences with the Holy Spirit, you are very fortunate, I have no such experiences.
I wish you well on your journey.
Peace.
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Mickiel;1322716 wrote: Religious is used twice in the bible;Acts 13:43,James 1:26. Religion is used 5 times;Jas.1:26, 27;Gal.1:13;14,and Acts 26:5.
Just for your information.
Peace.
Thank you Mikael your are correct on two seperate sections possibibly
James 1: 26 If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. 27Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
Acts 13:43 When the congregation was dismissed, many of the Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who talked with them and urged them to continue in the grace of God.
44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord.
Acts 28: 5 They have known me for a long time and can testify, if they are willing, that according to the strictest sect of our religion, I lived as a Pharisee.
Gal 1: 13For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it
14 I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
But if we cnsider the contexts this is on both occasions referring to the Jewish rulers who turned jesus to the romans and there is nothing at all in the OT on this word. I think we can agree that these are consistant with my defintion
Bless you
Just for your information.
Peace.
Thank you Mikael your are correct on two seperate sections possibibly
James 1: 26 If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. 27Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
Acts 13:43 When the congregation was dismissed, many of the Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who talked with them and urged them to continue in the grace of God.
44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord.
Acts 28: 5 They have known me for a long time and can testify, if they are willing, that according to the strictest sect of our religion, I lived as a Pharisee.
Gal 1: 13For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it
14 I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
But if we cnsider the contexts this is on both occasions referring to the Jewish rulers who turned jesus to the romans and there is nothing at all in the OT on this word. I think we can agree that these are consistant with my defintion
Bless you
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
freethinkingthuthseeker;1322730 wrote:
But if we cnsider the contexts this is on both occasions referring to the Jewish rulers who turned jesus to the romans and there is nothing at all in the OT on this word. I think we can agree that these are consistant with my defintion
Bless you
Well I can agree with your definition.
Peace.
But if we cnsider the contexts this is on both occasions referring to the Jewish rulers who turned jesus to the romans and there is nothing at all in the OT on this word. I think we can agree that these are consistant with my defintion
Bless you
Well I can agree with your definition.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Nafshi Ketavit Yehavit (I put myself in writing). God compressed Himself into the words of the Torah.
Therefore, when a person studies Torah in this world, and the Torah speaks of physical objects and people, this is only how Torah descended and is interpreted Pshat but nothing in Torah is about our world.
But when read Sod the interpretation becomes a restoration of the soul.
Torah study is a great Mitzvah even if it has no practical application. When one studies on this level (Pshat) it may be termed Torah Lishmah,study of Torah for no other ulterior motive except that of being bound to God. And yet, the purpose of creation is Dirah BeTachtonim
Therefore, when a person studies Torah in this world, and the Torah speaks of physical objects and people, this is only how Torah descended and is interpreted Pshat but nothing in Torah is about our world.
But when read Sod the interpretation becomes a restoration of the soul.
Torah study is a great Mitzvah even if it has no practical application. When one studies on this level (Pshat) it may be termed Torah Lishmah,study of Torah for no other ulterior motive except that of being bound to God. And yet, the purpose of creation is Dirah BeTachtonim
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Shimon;1322740 wrote: Nafshi Ketavit Yehavit (I put myself in writing). God compressed Himself into the words of the Torah.
Therefore, when a person studies Torah in this world, and the Torah speaks of physical objects and people, this is only how Torah descended and is interpreted Pshat but nothing in Torah is about our world.
But when read Sod the interpretation becomes a restoration of the soul.
Torah study is a great Mitzvah even if it has no practical application. When one studies on this level (Pshat) it may be termed Torah Lishmah,study of Torah for no other ulterior motive except that of being bound to God. And yet, the purpose of creation is Dirah BeTachtonim
Can you explain the purpose of writing in two different languages instead of just using one?
Peace.
Therefore, when a person studies Torah in this world, and the Torah speaks of physical objects and people, this is only how Torah descended and is interpreted Pshat but nothing in Torah is about our world.
But when read Sod the interpretation becomes a restoration of the soul.
Torah study is a great Mitzvah even if it has no practical application. When one studies on this level (Pshat) it may be termed Torah Lishmah,study of Torah for no other ulterior motive except that of being bound to God. And yet, the purpose of creation is Dirah BeTachtonim
Can you explain the purpose of writing in two different languages instead of just using one?
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
הצטער, כוח ההרגל ינסה וזהיר בעתיד
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Im sorry, sometimes words in hebrew dont have the same meaning in English.years ago I was taught to use both with a referance.I will try and be a little more aware next time.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Shimon;1322750 wrote: Im sorry, sometimes words in hebrew dont have the same meaning in English.years ago I was taught to use both with a referance.I will try and be a little more aware next time.
Well no, I think this is a good explination which you gave, I can understand that. But we are writing, its like if I worte in english and spanish at the same time, one would wonder why not just use one.
Anyhow I was just curious.
Peace.
Well no, I think this is a good explination which you gave, I can understand that. But we are writing, its like if I worte in english and spanish at the same time, one would wonder why not just use one.
Anyhow I was just curious.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
The largest shift of gears in my Consciousness that the bible has made is in the area of Salvation. And I know I go over and over on this, but thats because I view it as very important. The whole religious mindset of humanity is just off track on this. And I would like to spend a week or two on it.
Peace.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Esther and Mordecai are Persian names .Esther descended from King Saul Mordecai was her cousin, the head of the Sanhedrin,the central rabbinical supreme court of ancient Israel.Esther's Hebrew name, Hadassah, is mentioned in the Megilla only once and Mordecai's not at all.
the Torah teaches us about each person’s main characteristic. Esther’s was her secretiveness, as described in the verse hinting at her name in the Book of Deuteronomy indicating that after the destruction of the First Temple God will conceal His involvement with existence and interact with the world in a hidden manner.
Mordecai's was his righteousness and leadership qualities
Esther continued to remain silent about her family origins She is compared by the Sages to the morning star called ayelet hashachar (Psalms 22)
Esther was not silent in prayer. Although Esther couldn’t see God at all, He obviously was with her the whole time.When she appealed to King Ahasuerus(her husband), in reality she directed her prayers to God nochach hamelech literally meaning opposite the king.
By virtue of her selflessness and thorough devotion to God, she found favor in the Almighty’s eyes and was granted salvation for herself and the entire Jewish nation
The story is more involved than this but it means By virtue of selflessness and devotion to God comes salvation
Salvation can mean many things to many people,Are you refering to your eternal Salvation?
the Torah teaches us about each person’s main characteristic. Esther’s was her secretiveness, as described in the verse hinting at her name in the Book of Deuteronomy indicating that after the destruction of the First Temple God will conceal His involvement with existence and interact with the world in a hidden manner.
Mordecai's was his righteousness and leadership qualities
Esther continued to remain silent about her family origins She is compared by the Sages to the morning star called ayelet hashachar (Psalms 22)
Esther was not silent in prayer. Although Esther couldn’t see God at all, He obviously was with her the whole time.When she appealed to King Ahasuerus(her husband), in reality she directed her prayers to God nochach hamelech literally meaning opposite the king.
By virtue of her selflessness and thorough devotion to God, she found favor in the Almighty’s eyes and was granted salvation for herself and the entire Jewish nation
The story is more involved than this but it means By virtue of selflessness and devotion to God comes salvation
Salvation can mean many things to many people,Are you refering to your eternal Salvation?
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Yes, I am refering to eternal salvation, which I think is a free gift, not something earned by devotion to God. Not to be confused with the " Fact" that devotion to God is a good thing, a wonderful thing which I do not seek to belittle. But The plan of Salvation is a free inheritance that is for ALL of humanity, not just believers or certain races or just the " Good People."
And I will be going into this.
Peace.
And I will be going into this.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Why do you think salvation is free? If it were free there would be no purpose for us to be here.
Great topic.
Great topic.
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The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Shimon;1323555 wrote: Why do you think salvation is free? If it were free there would be no purpose for us to be here.
Great topic.
Salvation is viewed differently by religions. Christianity believes it is a free gift when you believe in Jesus as the Savior.
Purpose of us being here-well, man was created because God wanted it. He wants the relationship to continue. Gen. 2:7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Great topic.
Salvation is viewed differently by religions. Christianity believes it is a free gift when you believe in Jesus as the Savior.
Purpose of us being here-well, man was created because God wanted it. He wants the relationship to continue. Gen. 2:7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Shimon;1323555 wrote: Why do you think salvation is free? If it were free there would be no purpose for us to be here.
Great topic.
Well I am an advent believer in the bible, although I am not Christian. I draw my views from it. For example, Rev. 21:6, latter part of verse;" I will give to the one who thrist from the spring of the water of life without cost." And Rom. 5:15-16 speaks of " The Free Gift". Romans 6:23 states that eternal life is a " Free GIFT from God." Eph. 2:8 just comes right out and states that salvation is a free gift from God. And there are other verses which reveal Salvation as being a " Free Inheritance" which I will go into later.
Our purpose for being here is NOT to qualify for Salvation, that is deception. We can do nothing to " Earn it", we are too unrighteous. We can't buy it, its already paied for. Our purpose for being here is another topic, but I'll touch on it briefly;
We are here to suffer, in a nutshell. We are here to be cooked in the heat of a great clay molder, who has decreed that we first must live in the flesh, we first must be exposed to evil and sin, we first must live without him, we first must die before we live again. This is just touching on a lengthy topic in brief, we must first be the old man before we can be the new. Such is the pathology of God. All who live in this world must suffer persecution, then die and be born again. Its something in this that God designed, so to him, it must be nesscerary.
Peace.
Great topic.
Well I am an advent believer in the bible, although I am not Christian. I draw my views from it. For example, Rev. 21:6, latter part of verse;" I will give to the one who thrist from the spring of the water of life without cost." And Rom. 5:15-16 speaks of " The Free Gift". Romans 6:23 states that eternal life is a " Free GIFT from God." Eph. 2:8 just comes right out and states that salvation is a free gift from God. And there are other verses which reveal Salvation as being a " Free Inheritance" which I will go into later.
Our purpose for being here is NOT to qualify for Salvation, that is deception. We can do nothing to " Earn it", we are too unrighteous. We can't buy it, its already paied for. Our purpose for being here is another topic, but I'll touch on it briefly;
We are here to suffer, in a nutshell. We are here to be cooked in the heat of a great clay molder, who has decreed that we first must live in the flesh, we first must be exposed to evil and sin, we first must live without him, we first must die before we live again. This is just touching on a lengthy topic in brief, we must first be the old man before we can be the new. Such is the pathology of God. All who live in this world must suffer persecution, then die and be born again. Its something in this that God designed, so to him, it must be nesscerary.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
You are so right, I could go on for hours about what salvation means and it would come out blah,blah,blah to some people.as their's would not change my veiws.
with that said how about a Kabbalistic interpitaion of the verse Gen 2:7 you just quoted.
Based on (by that I mean copyand paste from) Derech Hashem (I really enjoy that book)
In the Zohar III:25a we find that "the Nefesh is bound to the Ruach, the Ruach to the Neshama, and the Neshama to the Blessed Holy One." The three thus form a sort of chain, linking man to G-d. The idea of these three parts is best explained on the basis of the verse (Gen. 2:7), "G-d formed man out of the dust of the earth, and He blew into his nostrils a breath of life." This is likened to the process of blowing glass, which begins with the breath (neshima) of the glassblower, flows as a wind (Ruach) through the glassblowing pipe, and finally comes to rest (Nefesh) in the vessel that is being formed. The Neshama thus comes from the same root as Neshima, meaning breath, and this is the "breath of G-d." The Nefesh comes from a root meaning "to rest" and therefore refers to the part of the soul that is bound to the body and "rests" there. Ruach means a wind, and it is the part of the soul that binds the Neshama and Nefesh.
Also see Nefesh ha-Chaim 1:15 of coarce the Jewish Rabbinic interpitaion is a little differant
with that said how about a Kabbalistic interpitaion of the verse Gen 2:7 you just quoted.
Based on (by that I mean copyand paste from) Derech Hashem (I really enjoy that book)
In the Zohar III:25a we find that "the Nefesh is bound to the Ruach, the Ruach to the Neshama, and the Neshama to the Blessed Holy One." The three thus form a sort of chain, linking man to G-d. The idea of these three parts is best explained on the basis of the verse (Gen. 2:7), "G-d formed man out of the dust of the earth, and He blew into his nostrils a breath of life." This is likened to the process of blowing glass, which begins with the breath (neshima) of the glassblower, flows as a wind (Ruach) through the glassblowing pipe, and finally comes to rest (Nefesh) in the vessel that is being formed. The Neshama thus comes from the same root as Neshima, meaning breath, and this is the "breath of G-d." The Nefesh comes from a root meaning "to rest" and therefore refers to the part of the soul that is bound to the body and "rests" there. Ruach means a wind, and it is the part of the soul that binds the Neshama and Nefesh.
Also see Nefesh ha-Chaim 1:15 of coarce the Jewish Rabbinic interpitaion is a little differant
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Shimon;1323605 wrote: You are so right, I could go on for hours about what salvation means and it would come out blah,blah,blah to some people.as their's would not change my veiws.
with that said how about a Kabbalistic interpitaion of the verse Gen 2:7 you just quoted.
Based on (by that I mean copyand paste from) Derech Hashem (I really enjoy that book)
In the Zohar III:25a we find that "the Nefesh is bound to the Ruach, the Ruach to the Neshama, and the Neshama to the Blessed Holy One." The three thus form a sort of chain, linking man to G-d. The idea of these three parts is best explained on the basis of the verse (Gen. 2:7), "G-d formed man out of the dust of the earth, and He blew into his nostrils a breath of life." This is likened to the process of blowing glass, which begins with the breath (neshima) of the glassblower, flows as a wind (Ruach) through the glassblowing pipe, and finally comes to rest (Nefesh) in the vessel that is being formed. The Neshama thus comes from the same root as Neshima, meaning breath, and this is the "breath of G-d." The Nefesh comes from a root meaning "to rest" and therefore refers to the part of the soul that is bound to the body and "rests" there. Ruach means a wind, and it is the part of the soul that binds the Neshama and Nefesh.
Also see Nefesh ha-Chaim 1:15
Right. And I think when this breath is blown into us, that is what gives us Consciousness. Consciousness is the image of God, and it did not evolve from something unconscious, it came from the breath,( or Power) of a Conscious God.
Peace.
with that said how about a Kabbalistic interpitaion of the verse Gen 2:7 you just quoted.
Based on (by that I mean copyand paste from) Derech Hashem (I really enjoy that book)
In the Zohar III:25a we find that "the Nefesh is bound to the Ruach, the Ruach to the Neshama, and the Neshama to the Blessed Holy One." The three thus form a sort of chain, linking man to G-d. The idea of these three parts is best explained on the basis of the verse (Gen. 2:7), "G-d formed man out of the dust of the earth, and He blew into his nostrils a breath of life." This is likened to the process of blowing glass, which begins with the breath (neshima) of the glassblower, flows as a wind (Ruach) through the glassblowing pipe, and finally comes to rest (Nefesh) in the vessel that is being formed. The Neshama thus comes from the same root as Neshima, meaning breath, and this is the "breath of G-d." The Nefesh comes from a root meaning "to rest" and therefore refers to the part of the soul that is bound to the body and "rests" there. Ruach means a wind, and it is the part of the soul that binds the Neshama and Nefesh.
Also see Nefesh ha-Chaim 1:15
Right. And I think when this breath is blown into us, that is what gives us Consciousness. Consciousness is the image of God, and it did not evolve from something unconscious, it came from the breath,( or Power) of a Conscious God.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1323604 wrote: Well I am an advent believer in the bible, although I am not Christian. I draw my views from it. For example, Rev. 21:6, latter part of verse;" I will give to the one who thrist from the spring of the water of life without cost." And Rom. 5:15-16 speaks of " The Free Gift". Romans 6:23 states that eternal life is a " Free GIFT from God." Eph. 2:8 just comes right out and states that salvation is a free gift from God. And there are other verses which reveal Salvation as being a " Free Inheritance" which I will go into later.
Our purpose for being here is NOT to qualify for Salvation, that is deception. We can do nothing to " Earn it", we are too unrighteous. We can't buy it, its already paied for. Our purpose for being here is another topic, but I'll touch on it briefly;
We are here to suffer, in a nutshell. We are here to be cooked in the heat of a great clay molder, who has decreed that we first must live in the flesh, we first must be exposed to evil and sin, we first must live without him, we first must die before we live again. This is just touching on a lengthy topic in brief, we must first be the old man before we can be the new. Such is the pathology of God. All who live in this world must suffer persecution, then die and be born again. Its something in this that God designed, so to him, it must be nesscerary.
Peace.
Intresting, very close to Kabbalah with a few differant twists,what is this?
Our purpose for being here is NOT to qualify for Salvation, that is deception. We can do nothing to " Earn it", we are too unrighteous. We can't buy it, its already paied for. Our purpose for being here is another topic, but I'll touch on it briefly;
We are here to suffer, in a nutshell. We are here to be cooked in the heat of a great clay molder, who has decreed that we first must live in the flesh, we first must be exposed to evil and sin, we first must live without him, we first must die before we live again. This is just touching on a lengthy topic in brief, we must first be the old man before we can be the new. Such is the pathology of God. All who live in this world must suffer persecution, then die and be born again. Its something in this that God designed, so to him, it must be nesscerary.
Peace.
Intresting, very close to Kabbalah with a few differant twists,what is this?
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Shimon;1323613 wrote: Intresting, very close to Kabbalah with a few differant twists,what is this?
Well I am not a religious man, I adhere to no religion or doctrine, and I am not aware of Kabbalah. I just believe what I believe. And I share what I believe and see. Peace.
Well I am not a religious man, I adhere to no religion or doctrine, and I am not aware of Kabbalah. I just believe what I believe. And I share what I believe and see. Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel,
The other day I asked you if you had a burning question that comes to you all the time.I was looking for the answer, what is the meaning of my life,or why are we here or something along those lines.Because that is a sign that the creator has awakened whats called the point in your heart.
I like the fact that you read Torah (old Tesatament) without any religious influence. And draw your own conclusions.I really wish more people would move away from man made beliefs and think for themselfs.I really enjoy your posts.
I am afraid I am stuck with the Jewish mindset on most subjects but try hard to not to ram it down others throats,Even when I Im right.(ha ha)
I look forward to reading more about your views on Our purpose for being here,maybe we can both learn something!
The other day I asked you if you had a burning question that comes to you all the time.I was looking for the answer, what is the meaning of my life,or why are we here or something along those lines.Because that is a sign that the creator has awakened whats called the point in your heart.
I like the fact that you read Torah (old Tesatament) without any religious influence. And draw your own conclusions.I really wish more people would move away from man made beliefs and think for themselfs.I really enjoy your posts.
I am afraid I am stuck with the Jewish mindset on most subjects but try hard to not to ram it down others throats,Even when I Im right.(ha ha)
I look forward to reading more about your views on Our purpose for being here,maybe we can both learn something!
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Shimon;1323631 wrote: Mickiel,
I look forward to reading more about your views on Our purpose for being here,maybe we can both learn something!
Well as I said, we are here to suffer in this flesh, first stage, and then we will have a second stage in the Spirit, I think. But to go further, I think at some point, eons ago, Gods great mind became pregnant, and although you are inclinded toward Jewish interpitation, he desired to have his own " Personal Son", not angelic creations, then I think God gave birth to Jesus long ago, who was then " The Word." Well that pleased God, the Word pleased him so much, that he then wanted more children. And that was the birth and purpose for humanity, to be Gods actual birthed family of his own children. So we are here to become Gods own children. God, being Great and so pleased with Christ, that he then wanted millions of children and the plan of Salvation, or production of " Godly Beings", was hatched.
And thats why we are here. Its our purpose, our inheritence,
Our Destiny.
Peace.
I look forward to reading more about your views on Our purpose for being here,maybe we can both learn something!
Well as I said, we are here to suffer in this flesh, first stage, and then we will have a second stage in the Spirit, I think. But to go further, I think at some point, eons ago, Gods great mind became pregnant, and although you are inclinded toward Jewish interpitation, he desired to have his own " Personal Son", not angelic creations, then I think God gave birth to Jesus long ago, who was then " The Word." Well that pleased God, the Word pleased him so much, that he then wanted more children. And that was the birth and purpose for humanity, to be Gods actual birthed family of his own children. So we are here to become Gods own children. God, being Great and so pleased with Christ, that he then wanted millions of children and the plan of Salvation, or production of " Godly Beings", was hatched.
And thats why we are here. Its our purpose, our inheritence,
Our Destiny.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
I was taught to break down each word and meaning before coming to a conclusion about something you are trying to study.
I have to admit you stumped me here. Im not ignoring you,I have been thinking about this for the last 3 hours.
I can usually find or qoute a scripture to either support or deny but I am truly stumped
More time please.
I have to admit you stumped me here. Im not ignoring you,I have been thinking about this for the last 3 hours.
I can usually find or qoute a scripture to either support or deny but I am truly stumped
More time please.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1323341 wrote: The largest shift of gears in my Consciousness that the bible has made is in the area of Salvation. And I know I go over and over on this, but thats because I view it as very important. The whole religious mindset of humanity is just off track on this. And I would like to spend a week or two on it.
Peace.
In 1John 4:14;" And we have beheld and bear witness that the Father has sent the Son to be Savior of the World." Right here is the very reason that God sent Jesus to earth, to bring Salvation to " The World!" Not just believers, but the whole world, including every religion, every culture, every nation. Salvation includes Pagans, Muslims, Buddhism, Catholics, tribual peoples, it does not matter, all are included. And I want to get into this most wonderful message that the bible reveals.
Peace.
Peace.
In 1John 4:14;" And we have beheld and bear witness that the Father has sent the Son to be Savior of the World." Right here is the very reason that God sent Jesus to earth, to bring Salvation to " The World!" Not just believers, but the whole world, including every religion, every culture, every nation. Salvation includes Pagans, Muslims, Buddhism, Catholics, tribual peoples, it does not matter, all are included. And I want to get into this most wonderful message that the bible reveals.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Jesus came to be a " World Savior", and confused religious interpitation cannot condense that to mean " just part of the World." These misplaced hell verses in the bible which have mistranslated the word hell and its true meaning, has confused many well meaning believers, and shorthened their view of Salvation, that is a work of the devil. But Jesus has destroyed that work of satan, in 1John 3:8 " The one who practices sin is of the devil( only meaning they have been influenced by the devil, they are not devils themselves) for the devil has sinned from the beginning, ( meaning the beginning of his creation, he was created to sin). The Son of God appeared for this purpose ( and we need to get this purpose) that he would destroy the works of the devil."
And Jesus did that, totally destroyed satans work. Now, what is satans work? Well mainly to seperate mankind from Gods Salvation, and destroy Salvation, to kill the Salvation of as many humans as he can. Well Jesus took care of that, now NOTHING can seperate humanity from Salvation, nothing; not even their own sin.
Yet why is it that so many believers struggle with believing this amazing reality of Grace and Love? Why is the stigma of an eternal hell torment so prevelant in many believers minds?
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
And Jesus did that, totally destroyed satans work. Now, what is satans work? Well mainly to seperate mankind from Gods Salvation, and destroy Salvation, to kill the Salvation of as many humans as he can. Well Jesus took care of that, now NOTHING can seperate humanity from Salvation, nothing; not even their own sin.
Yet why is it that so many believers struggle with believing this amazing reality of Grace and Love? Why is the stigma of an eternal hell torment so prevelant in many believers minds?
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
We have all been caught up in the grip of traditional views of Salvation, even our views of Jesus and God themselves. And we have inherited lies from our forefathers. Jeremiah 16:19, latter part of verse;" Our Fathers have inherited nothing but falsehoods, futility and things of no prifit." This is religion in a nutshelll. People are preaching and teaching all kinds of falsehoods, but they believe them to be the truth! Gods great Salvation has been water down into things it should never resemble.
Salvation is based on the promise of God, NOT human belief and acceptence of that promise! IF Salvation was based on human acceptence, then much of humanity would effectively be doomed, God wouldNOT do that! He wouldnot base something so important on the human free will, that makes no sense at all, many of us don't have sense enough to accept God, and many just don't want to, and many just don't have the strength of will. So its not based on human will, its based ON GOD!
God, in Isaiah 45:22-25 swore a most Holy vow to himself that to him EVERY HUMAN will bow and confess to him with their mouths, when humans do that, its conversion! God said he swore this and it willnot turn back, meaning hes going to do it and NOTHING can stop him. Nothing!
All of humanity is garenteed to be saved, its academic.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Salvation is based on the promise of God, NOT human belief and acceptence of that promise! IF Salvation was based on human acceptence, then much of humanity would effectively be doomed, God wouldNOT do that! He wouldnot base something so important on the human free will, that makes no sense at all, many of us don't have sense enough to accept God, and many just don't want to, and many just don't have the strength of will. So its not based on human will, its based ON GOD!
God, in Isaiah 45:22-25 swore a most Holy vow to himself that to him EVERY HUMAN will bow and confess to him with their mouths, when humans do that, its conversion! God said he swore this and it willnot turn back, meaning hes going to do it and NOTHING can stop him. Nothing!
All of humanity is garenteed to be saved, its academic.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
One may be surprised that Jesus sacrifice restores our standing with God, even though we still sin! His death and ressurection covers ALL sin, past, present and future sins of humanity. Every sin committed today, is forgiven by Jesus sacrifice. Colossians 2:13;" And when you were dead in your sins and the weakness of your flesh, he made you alive together with him, having forgiven us ALL of our sin. This is outstanding miracle constant forgiveness, its Universal Salvation and the definition of Gods Holy Grace.
And it reveals a most Holy, Devine Heart that God the Father really has. The Key to Salvation is Gods Heart.
And I want to go into that Greatness.
Peace.
And it reveals a most Holy, Devine Heart that God the Father really has. The Key to Salvation is Gods Heart.
And I want to go into that Greatness.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
In John 12:32 Jesus makes what can be considered a " Holy Promise"; " If I be lifted up, I will draw All men to me." Meaning if he was crucified, that he will personally call all of humanity. This is devine evidence that Salvation is a " Totality of Humanity", because in John 6:44 Jesus said no one can come to him unless the Father " Draws them." So both the Father and Christ " Intend" on " Drawing all of humanity to them." Now this has NEVER yet to occur in human history, there has never been a time that I know of where every human was drawn to God, so I think this is a future planned event.
But scriptorially it is undeniable, they want everyone to be involved in Salvation, eventually. Now in Phil. 4:10 we see more of this universal message;" It is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our Hope on the living God, who is the " Savior of ALL men", especially of believers." Here again we see everyone is involved, but yet in this verse, we see two distinct groups involved in Salvation. We see " All men", and we see " Espically Believers", but we see both groups saved. This means Salvation is for unbelievers as well. Verse 11 says to teach these things, but they certainly are not being taught! This principle is repeated in 1John 2:2, Salvation is not for believers only, its for the whole world.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
But scriptorially it is undeniable, they want everyone to be involved in Salvation, eventually. Now in Phil. 4:10 we see more of this universal message;" It is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our Hope on the living God, who is the " Savior of ALL men", especially of believers." Here again we see everyone is involved, but yet in this verse, we see two distinct groups involved in Salvation. We see " All men", and we see " Espically Believers", but we see both groups saved. This means Salvation is for unbelievers as well. Verse 11 says to teach these things, but they certainly are not being taught! This principle is repeated in 1John 2:2, Salvation is not for believers only, its for the whole world.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
In John 4:42 again we see the biblical principle of Jesus being " A World Savior', so this teaching of limited Atonement going around is simply misinterpitation, we all make it in the end. Not because of ourselves or how we lived, it is the gift of God. Eph.2:8;" For by Grace you have been saved through Faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the Gift of God." We have to be told that it is not of ourselves, not something we did, not something you decided, not something you can pat yourself on the back for, its simply Gods Gift! And everyone is included in that gift, no misinterpited doctrine of hell can extract any human from that gift for any reason.
John 6:33;" For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to " The World." Again we see the biblical principle of this Salvation being for the whole of humanity, not just certain peoples.
And I want to continue on that.
Peace.
John 6:33;" For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to " The World." Again we see the biblical principle of this Salvation being for the whole of humanity, not just certain peoples.
And I want to continue on that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
In Hebrews 9:26;"Otherwise, he would needed to suffer often since the foundation of the World; but now once at the consumation of the ages he has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself." Vs 28 talks about Christ being offered once and will appear a second time for " Salvation without reference to sin." Sin is the only thing that could have stopped the Salvation of humanity, but again and again the bible stresses that humanitys sin has been taken care of. The only thing that could have robbed us of our free inheritence, has been erased by Christ.
Now, nothing can stop our Salvation, not even the misunderstood hell verses that crept their way into scripture. Now Salvation is without excuse!
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Now, nothing can stop our Salvation, not even the misunderstood hell verses that crept their way into scripture. Now Salvation is without excuse!
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
In Titus 2:11;" For the Grace of God has appeared, bringing Salvation to ALL men." Again the message of the bible is the Salvation of all men, all of us! None of us can be excluded for ANY reason whatsoever!.
Luke 3:6;" And ALL flesh shall see the Salvation of God." Those who cannot see the Salvation of all now, will have their eyes opened to it in the future.
And I want to continue on that.
Peace.
Luke 3:6;" And ALL flesh shall see the Salvation of God." Those who cannot see the Salvation of all now, will have their eyes opened to it in the future.
And I want to continue on that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Many believers falsely think that only those who " Accept God and repent and search for him " will be saved. And this is not so, they don't know the real Gods ways. In Isaiah 65:1-2; ( God himself speaking) " I permitted myself to be sought by those who didnot ask for me; I permitted myself to be found by those who didnot seek me. I said here I am to a nation which didnot call on my name. I have spread out my hands all day long to a rebellious people."
This is God talking, and he never changes! He will permit himself to be found by those who do not seek him, this means unbelievers will be saved!
And I want to continue on that.
Peace.
This is God talking, and he never changes! He will permit himself to be found by those who do not seek him, this means unbelievers will be saved!
And I want to continue on that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
So many believers in God falsely believe that they are the only people of God, because they believe. In Romans 9: 25-26;" I will call those people who were not my people, My people, and those who were not beloved, my beloved. And those who it was said you are not my people, they shall be called the Sons of the Living God!" All these unbelievers and unrepentant sinners that certain Christians readily condemn, shall be called, by God, his own Sons.
Peace.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
In 2Peter 3:9;" The Lord is not slow about his " Promise", as some think he is, but is patient, not willing that any should perish but for all to come to repentance." A bueatiful scripture which reveals much, first, the repentance of all is Gods promise. And he is patient concerning that promise. Secondly, it reveals the true heart and desire of God. God " Desires" that ALL of humanity repents. In 1Tim. 2:3-4;" This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who DESIRES that ALL men be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."
Now listen, Gods desires are just the SAME as his will, it cannot be stopped! Job 23:13," But God is unique and who can turn him, what his soul desires that he does!" Its academic, case closed, the total Salvation of ALL of humanity is garenteed, BECAUSE its Gods desire!
Peace.
Now listen, Gods desires are just the SAME as his will, it cannot be stopped! Job 23:13," But God is unique and who can turn him, what his soul desires that he does!" Its academic, case closed, the total Salvation of ALL of humanity is garenteed, BECAUSE its Gods desire!
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
In Gal. 2:6 Paul states that God " Shows no Partiality." Meaning he shows no favor toward one human over another, one group over another, we all are the same to him. In Heb.2:9 Jesus tasted death for everyone. In Romans 5:18 because of Jesus sacrifice, all of us are now justified in Gods sight, thats why no favortism.
Do you see this continual biblical theme of " Everyone being covered, saved, forgiven, and Loved?
Its right here in front of our eyes.
Peace.
Do you see this continual biblical theme of " Everyone being covered, saved, forgiven, and Loved?
Its right here in front of our eyes.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
The Salvation story flows through the bible, often overlooked, because its just too good to be true in many believers and unbelievers as well. In Matt. 22: a parable from Jesus is given which is an awesome Salvation of all example, the wedding feast. In verse 10 workers are told to go out into the world and gather everyone they could find, BOTH good and evil people. And he said the hall ( or the Kingdom of God) was FULL! In vs. 11-12, ONE person is found unworthy, just ONE being is thrown out.
Only one, and the rest remained with God.
Peace.
Only one, and the rest remained with God.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
In Galations 3:9; " And the scriptures , forseseeing that God would justify Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel before hand to Abraham saying;" All the Nations shall be blessed in you." This blessing is Salvation and again we see its for ALL!" The announcement of the Gospel comming from an Angel is of intrest in Luke 2:10;" And the Angel said to them, " Do not be afraid; for behold ( or pay attention), I bring you good news of a great Joy which shall be " For ALL people!" Even Angels know that all of humanity is to be saved, Salvation is for everyone!
Peace.
Peace.