How Pathetic???......

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'A sledgehammer to crack a nut': Three police officers and a patrol car rush to... children playing football in the street | Mail Online

In a Country where you can get a Pizza delivered to your door faster than It takes a Police Officer to attend a call, what a complete waste of money, time and resources?

Next time you really need the Police In a hurry ie, you are being held at knife-point, this may Indicate where they are.

[fuzzywuzzy]

I'm sorry? ....I don't understand . It's illegal for children to play ball in the street? And they sent three coppers to have words with the kids.? Since when does any copper go to a job of kids playing ball?

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fuzzywuzzy;1334192 wrote: I'm sorry? ....I don't understand . It's illegal for children to play ball in the street? And they sent three coppers to have words with the kids.? Since when does any copper go to a job of kids playing ball? I am no lawyer Fuzz but as far as I know It Is not Illegal to play football In the street here yet. Kids play football outside of my house all summer long. Balls come In the garden and In the past, some have hit windows.... so what? That is what kids do.

[fuzzywuzzy]

I agree it's what we did as kids sure it can be a nusence sometimes but as you said it's what kids do.

OH and this bit made me ask about the legalities of it.

Their father Anthony, 43, of Timperley, Greater Manchester, was also sent a letter from officials at Trafford Council warning him his two sons could be in breach of the 1980 Highways Act which outlaws ball games.

Read more: 'A sledgehammer to crack a nut': Three police officers and a patrol car rush to... children playing football in the street | Mail Online

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fuzzywuzzy;1334197 wrote: I agree it's what we did as kids sure it can be a nusence sometimes but as you said it's what kids do.

OH and this bit made me ask about the legalities of it. I am not sure but I think Councils vary from Council to Council.

Even If ball games were prohibited In that area, I am sure It Is not Illegal ie, you are not actually commiting a criminal offence by kicking a ball around. Again I am not sure but I think that the Council may be able to prohibit them from playing ball but I am pretty sure the Police can not enforce Council Legislation and make an arrest. They would only be able to arrest If the children were commiting an offence and not a civic prohibition.

What we need here Is our legal expert Spot... Base to Spot... Base to Spot..

I would Imagine that If for eg, a ball went smashed a window, then that could be viewed as Illegal under criminal damage but just playing football Is not an offence as far as I am aware.

Very similar........ The field outside my house prohibits golf playing. Lots of kids Ignore the Council signs and play regardless. If some miserable so and so called the Police, I just can not see It being a criminal act, just a breach of council by-laws which Is some-thing entirely different.

[binbag]

"In this particular case a letter has been sent to the parents to explain that a complaint has been received about their child's behaviour with a request to address the issues outlined in the complaint".



I've a feeling the complaint the police received regarding the boys playing football in the street would have motivated them to issue the warning to the father.

If some kind of accident did occur due to the boys playing football, and the police, after receiving a complaint, had not had not issued a warning, can you just imagine the hulla-ba-loo that would cause.

Apart from anything else, the press would have a field day.



The boys themselves initially received a warning from the police, then the father was warned twice by the police, then a written warning was received!!

Hmmm, there could be more to this story oscar.

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binbag;1334211 wrote: "In this particular case a letter has been sent to the parents to explain that a complaint has been received about their child's behaviour with a request to address the issues outlined in the complaint".



I've a feeling the complaint the police received regarding the boys playing football in the street would have motivated them to issue the warning to the father.

If some kind of accident did occur due to the boys playing football, and the police, after receiving a complaint, had not had not issued a warning, can you just imagine the hulla-ba-loo that would cause.

Apart from anything else, the press would have a field day.



The boys themselves initially received a warning from the police, then the father was warned twice by the police, then a written warning was received!!

Hmmm, there could be more to this story oscar.


It could well be that playing In the road was part of Anti-social-behaviour and far more to It as you said BB. I still however, find It ridiculous sending 3 police officers out to talk to children.

[G#Gill]

oscar;1334216 wrote: It could well be that playing In the road was part of Anti-social-behaviour and far more to It as you said BB. I still however, find It ridiculous sending 3 police officers out to talk to children.


Ere, Oscar, I thort you was off to av an urly night! U gotta bizzy day tomorrow aincha??? :yh_shame:yh_eyerol:yh_sleep:yh_bye

[K.Snyder]

oscar;1334183 wrote: 'A sledgehammer to crack a nut': Three police officers and a patrol car rush to... children playing football in the street | Mail Online

In a Country where you can get a Pizza delivered to your door faster than It takes a Police Officer to attend a call, what a complete waste of money, time and resources?

Next time you really need the Police In a hurry ie, you are being held at knife-point, this may Indicate where they are.


Firstly, just let me say that I think it's sad anytime a child is forced to remain dormant and not aloud to exercise. It truly is a shame there is not a park nearby to these kids.

On that, what's hard to gather from the law? The law is specifically stated...Mr Worthington added: 'It's a quiet street, and we live on the corner of a close. They've been playing out since the year dot, and since they've got a bit older they've started playing football.

'About three months ago, the boys got stopped by officers driving a patrol car up the street and they told them not to play football in the street. A few weeks later they came round to my house.

'The first time there was only one uniformed officer, in his patrol car. He was polite and just said it's against the law to play football in the street and that they were monitoring the situation.

'I thought fair enough, I'm not going to argue with a police officer, but I did say I couldn't see why it was a problem when it is a quiet street.

'Apparently it is illegal under the Highways Act 1980. I told the boys not to play, but the other kids on the road are still playing, and from the next road so it's the same situation for them.

'Then three officers turned up. One stayed in the patrol car and the other two came to my door. I couldn't believe it. They have always been very polite, and I told them that I had asked the boys not to play in the street.

Read more: 'A sledgehammer to crack a nut': Three police officers and a patrol car rush to... children playing football in the street | Mail OnlineThe father blatantly ignored the law on a number of occasions. Quite frankly I see the police acting appropriately. In the first instance one patrolman was sent. A number of occasions later and more are needed. This is how police work is conducted. Now there should be stiffer fines.

Is the law wrong? I'd have to look at the numbers associated with the decision. I fully empathize with the children, but the law is the law. Laws are made for the betterment of society, when those laws are unbearable then one either leaves or revolts.

[gmc]

Perhaps more to it than you know Maybe just being a nuisance - like not stopping when cars and pedestrians are going past or more serious - having your car dented or scratched by a kid playing football is not funny, it's criminal damage and who do you claim from? Maybe they are also cheeky little sods. My mother had problems with neighbourhood kids banging a ball against her wall - the house was next to a play area - and all she got was a load of abuse of both the kids and the parents when she asked them not to do it as it damaged the harling on the wall not to mention the number of times they hit the window. Kids you can understand but adults should appreciate having a ball banging off your house is not fun. The police did have a quiet word but it took a letter from a lawyer informing them the parents would be sued for the cost of repair for it to stop. So that was little kids being abusive to a woman in her seventies backed up by the parents who saw her as an irritating old woman who didn't like kids playing in a kid area. Imagine how the daily mail would report that one. She's either a neighbour complaining about children playing in a street when they do no harm or the victim of harassment by teenage gangs.

I thought fair enough, I'm not going to argue with a police officer, but I did say I couldn't see why it was a problem when it is a quiet street.


They have always been very polite, and I told them that I had asked the boys not to play in the street.


If he can't control, them at that age he's going to be completely unable to when they are older. Before you know it they will; be wearing hoodies and congregating with their mates.

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gmc;1334239 wrote:





If he can't control, them at that age he's going to be completely unable to when they are older. Before you know it they will; be wearing hoodies and congregating with their mates.


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Yeah right.... Because all children who like to play football turn Into binge drinking, hoodie wearing yobs.

They look like perfectly normal children to me from the pics.

I can understand fully the annoyance of having a ball banged against your wall but I believe this world Is becoming totally Intolerant.

We have a large field right outside our house but In the corner there Is an 8 ft metal fence that seperates the school. Many of the kids and older children play football In that corner because they use the fence as a barrier so If the ball goes wide, they do not have to run far to get It back. It does mean however that every few minutes, there Is a loud clang. I know my neighbours whine about It but It does not bother us.

That Is just one thing we put up with. We have kids whacking golf balls round, loud buzzy remote control areoplanes on a sunday, even quad bikes being driven Illegally In the field. The only time I did call the police was when some moron was driving the quad bike at 25 mph with small children In the field and a baby In his lap.

We will eventually reach a stage where this country becomes so Intolerant of children they will not be able to walk down the street. No wonder there Is hoards of them roaming the streets with nothing to do.

[gmc]

posted by oscar

Yeah right.... Because all children who like to play football turn Into binge drinking, hoodie wearing yobs.


I've been reading my daily mail and according to them it's a well known fact that children who are allowed to run wild by their parents at that age turn in to yobs when they are teenagers. If they don't get shot by their drug taking gang member older acquaintances they might have a chance of being resoponsible adults so long as they can be birched at every opportunity. Their father asked them not to play on the street if he had beaten them the first time they disobeyed the police wouldn't have had to call again would they? Maybe if he had to pay for wasting police time he might have taken his responsibilities as a parent more seriously. It's not child abuse if you do it for their own good - or you're a catholic priest and feel very very guilty about it.

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gmc;1334323 wrote: posted by oscar



I've been reading my daily mail and according to them it's a well known fact that children who are allowed to run wild by their parents at that age turn in to yobs when they are teenagers. If they don't get shot by their drug taking gang member older acquaintances they might have a chance of being resoponsible adults so long as they can be birched at every opportunity. Their father asked them not to play on the street if he had beaten them the first time they disobeyed the police wouldn't have had to call again would they? Maybe if he had to pay for wasting police time he might have taken his responsibilities as a parent more seriously. It's not child abuse if you do it for their own good - or you're a catholic priest and feel very very guilty about it.


Well If that Is what the Daily Mail says then It can only be true.

Along with their Insistence that my being associated with the BNP and sharing a stage with Arthur Kemp, leads me to roam the streets at night In a Posse rounding up any-one with remotely coffee coloured skin and beating them within an Inch of their lives. Along with the rest of our spare time taken to burning golliwog effigy's over bonfires at rally's, funding David Duke and the KKK, rounding up gypsies to send off to Illicit BNP gas chambers for execution, denying the Holocaust and generally employing bouncers to beat up any-one who dis-agree's with us.

[gmc]

oscar;1334325 wrote: Well If that Is what the Daily Mail says then It can only be true.

Along with their Insistence that my being associated with the BNP and sharing a stage with Arthur Kemp, leads me to roam the streets at night In a Posse rounding up any-one with remotely coffee coloured skin and beating them within an Inch of their lives. Along with the rest of our spare time taken to burning golliwog effigy's over bonfires at rally's, funding David Duke and the KKK, rounding up gypsies to send off to Illicit BNP gas chambers for execution, denying the Holocaust and generally employing bouncers to beat up any-one who dis-agree's with us.


ooooh! you said golliwog! Bad oscar. 5th of November soon, apparently it's OK to burn effigies of Catholics but burning their book will get you in serious trouble. Is it still OK to remember remember the fifth of november?

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gmc;1334329 wrote: ooooh! you said golliwog! Bad oscar. 5th of November soon, apparently it's OK to burn effigies of Catholics but burning their book will get you in serious trouble. Is it still OK to remember remember the fifth of november?
I never said the word golliwog. The News Of The World and Daily Mail said and I am merely repeating their reporting... so ner !!!

I am not sure about November 5th any more since the Catholic Priests child abuse scandal. After-all, any small children burning effigies Of a Catholic who was Involved In an act of Terrorism could find them-selves open to prosecution If It deemed they are Inciting a riot by showing their dis-pleasure toward the Catholic Faith. It is a very touchy area and one that I feel could Incite more young children Into burning effigy's of Catholics. No, I think It far safer to ban November 5th all together just In Case of any un-pleasentaries.

[gmc]

oscar;1334334 wrote: I never said the word golliwog. The News Of The World and Daily Mail said and I am merely repeating their reporting... so ner !!!

I am not sure about November 5th any more since the Catholic Priests child abuse scandal. After-all, any small children burning effigies Of a Catholic who was Involved In an act of Terrorism could find them-selves open to prosecution If It deemed they are Inciting a riot by showing their dis-pleasure toward the Catholic Faith. It is a very touchy area and one that I feel could Incite more young children Into burning effigy's of Catholics. No, I think It far safer to ban November 5th all together just In Case of any un-pleasentaries.


Would be a shame if we ever forgot the reason we are supposed to remember. It was part of a confliict that shaped the history of the world, or at least the western part of it, and led to the freedoms we take for granted. When you listen to some of the religious leaders - like the pope you realise they can't accept they lost.

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gmc;1334431 wrote: Would be a shame if we ever forgot the reason we are supposed to remember. It was part of a confliict that shaped the history of the world, or at least the western part of it, and led to the freedoms we take for granted. When you listen to some of the religious leaders - like the pope you realise they can't accept they lost.
It never fails to surprise me how you can turn any thread back to religion :wah:

I actually love all the nonsense associated with 5th November. The local kids always call for Mr O's clothes to make their guy and there Is that age old British tradition of stealing your neighbours fence for your bonfire. I also love the quaint tradition of yobs In hoodies demanding money outside Supermarkets for a black bin liner stuffed full of newspaper. When you refuse that other quaint tradition of giving you a mouthful of abuse and kicking your dog comes Into play. Then of course there Is the new law that allows any-one even remotely around the date of November 5th to let off Industrial Fire-works at gone midnight waking the elderly, setting off an entire neighbourhood of Canines, frightening live-stock and keeping babies awake. Yep, welcome to Britain.

[gmc]

oscar;1334451 wrote: It never fails to surprise me how you can turn any thread back to religion :wah:

I actually love all the nonsense associated with 5th November. The local kids always call for Mr O's clothes to make their guy and there Is that age old British tradition of stealing your neighbours fence for your bonfire. I also love the quaint tradition of yobs In hoodies demanding money outside Supermarkets for a black bin liner stuffed full of newspaper. When you refuse that other quaint tradition of giving you a mouthful of abuse and kicking your dog comes Into play. Then of course there Is the new law that allows any-one even remotely around the date of November 5th to let off Industrial Fire-works at gone midnight waking the elderly, setting off an entire neighbourhood of Canines, frightening live-stock and keeping babies awake. Yep, welcome to Britain.


I am merely following your conversation

Along with their Insistence that my being associated with the BNP and sharing a stage with Arthur Kemp, leads me to roam the streets at night In a Posse rounding up any-one with remotely coffee coloured skin and beating them within an Inch of their lives. Along with the rest of our spare time taken to burning golliwog effigy's over bonfires at rally's, funding David Duke and the KKK, rounding up gypsies to send off to Illicit BNP gas chambers for execution, denying the Holocaust and generally employing bouncers to beat up any-one who dis-agree's with us.




You mentioned bonfires my comment followed on - it will be 5th november soon. Burn a golliwog and you would probably get arrested, burn an effigy of a catholic that's acceptable. We've just had a catholoc bishop complaining how secularism and the abuse scandal has made the UK one of the most anti-catholic in europe, we should tell him to go away and read a history book. what is it about protestant he didn't understand. We've had a pope in the heartland of the reformation calling for unity amongst Christians - he meant let's all be catholic again - while lecturing us about the moral decline of society caused by the lack of religion and the rise of secularism. In other words a bigoted monotheist who covered up the abuse of children and wants the right to preach that all are equal except those he says are not and we all should obey him and his church and forget the reasons why we as a nation broke away in the first place. So OK it's a stretch but a connected one I think. Any comment on anti-social behaviour has the moral thought police leaping foaming at the mouth ready to give an answer. The effigy represents not Catholics so much but what was fought for which was freedom to worship as you please and to elect your own leaders. It was an idealogical battle reason against blind faith and obedience.

[beowulf]

oscar;1334451 wrote: 5th November.


5th of november.............the last time that someone entered the houses of parliament and was honest about their intentions :yh_whistl