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chrisb84uk
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I just heard on the news about this story. I find it hard to believe that this 7 day jail sentence is going to achieve anything. There certainly are a lot of better things that the police could be doing, than putting a 72 year old in jail for not paying 60 or so quid. Though the judge has a point that we can't all just not go paying taxes, because we don't believe in them.
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No better reason in the world to refuse to pay taxes.
What is ASBO?
What is ASBO?
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chrisb84uk
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ASBO I believe stands for Anti-social behaviour orders.
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They should have given her community service-or come on over to the colonies! Unfair taxation!
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chrisb84uk
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Well no matter what sentence they gave her, she isn't exactly going to change her views or opinions on the matter. Though I do agree that jailing her is somewhat too extreme.
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I see they've backed down on the revaluation in England and wales. Tony's poll tax do you think?
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I just heard on the news, that apparently a few days ago she visited a similarly aged man who also didn't pay his tax, (didn't mention how much though,) and was sent to jail for a month. Must have been either a really hard judge or one heck of a amount of tax that he didn't pay to deserve a whole month in jail!!
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I'm just curious--what is a council tax? Who pays it? Is it based on income, or is it rather like a property tax?
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Our country has a tax for everything, value added tax on all purchases in shops, restaurants etc of 17.5%, car tax, council tax, income tax, national insurance, the government are introducing toll roads and congestion charges a back door tax on motorists. I half expect the chancellor of the exchequer to start galloping about on black Bess shouting stand and deliver to the country.:-5
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US citizens, heads up! You should be reading this thread carefully.
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I will probably come across as a hardnosed bitch, but the way i see it is, this lady going to prison for 7 days will achieve absolutely nothing.
When she is released she still has to pay the council tax, as does the guy that was jailed last week.
Chris, it has nothing to do with the police, it's a civil matter and it was her local council that brought the case to court, not the police.
Fair play to the old dear, she certainly did it at the right time ( Labour are holding their conference this week ).
Does anyone know if Exeter is labour controlled??
When she is released she still has to pay the council tax, as does the guy that was jailed last week.
Chris, it has nothing to do with the police, it's a civil matter and it was her local council that brought the case to court, not the police.
Fair play to the old dear, she certainly did it at the right time ( Labour are holding their conference this week ).
Does anyone know if Exeter is labour controlled??
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abbey wrote: I will probably come across as a hardnosed bitch, but the way i see it is, this lady going to prison for 7 days will achieve absolutely nothing.
When she is released she still has to pay the council tax, as does the guy that was jailed last week.
Chris, it has nothing to do with the police, it's a civil matter and it was her local council that brought the case to court, not the police.
Fair play to the old dear, she certainly did it at the right time ( Labour are holding their conference this week ).
Does anyone know if Exeter is labour controlled??
Ah ok thanks Abbey I only just heard about it on the news and they didn't go into much detail. I agree with ya though, her going to prison certainly will not achieve anything, apart from the media attention that it already has!
When she is released she still has to pay the council tax, as does the guy that was jailed last week.
Chris, it has nothing to do with the police, it's a civil matter and it was her local council that brought the case to court, not the police.
Fair play to the old dear, she certainly did it at the right time ( Labour are holding their conference this week ).
Does anyone know if Exeter is labour controlled??
Ah ok thanks Abbey I only just heard about it on the news and they didn't go into much detail. I agree with ya though, her going to prison certainly will not achieve anything, apart from the media attention that it already has!
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all i can say is bless the old dear.
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chrisb84uk
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Exeter is labour controlled Abbey just to let u know.
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Just had a look, and Labour do indeed hold that seat,
wont look too good for Mr Bliar in Brighton will it?
wont look too good for Mr Bliar in Brighton will it?
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chrisb84uk wrote: Exeter is labour controlled Abbey just to let u know.Me too thanks hon x
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posted by arnold layne
It is not based on income but some arbitary figure that local councils come to based on the value band that your property comes into. Every member over the age of 18 in a houshold pays.
I think you're getting confused with the poll tax, that tory tax that resulted in there being no tory MP's in scotland-take that back one crept in at the last election.
It's levied on the vaue of the house irrespective of how many people live there-so an old age pensioner will pay the same as her next door neighbour that has two or three wage earners it's up top the householder (or landlord) how they allocate it to the inhabitants.
In origin it's a property tax harking back to the days when only property owners could vote
posted by abbey
I will probably come across as a hardnosed bitch, but the way i see it is, this lady going to prison for 7 days will achieve absolutely nothing.
When she is released she still has to pay the council tax, as does the guy that was jailed last week.
Chris, it has nothing to do with the police, it's a civil matter and it was her local council that brought the case to court, not the police.
Fair play to the old dear, she certainly did it at the right time ( Labour are holding their conference this week ).
Does anyone know if Exeter is labour controlled??
Maybe not in isolation but I wouldn't be surprised if there is the makings of a mass protest movement. In Scotland local authorities have never recovered fron the poll tax debacle. Labour can hardly claim to be looking after the poorest in society at the same time as labour councils get OAP's thrown in jail.
posted by chervil
Our country has a tax for everything, value added tax on all purchases in shops, restaurants etc of 17.5%, car tax, council tax, income tax, national insurance, the government are introducing toll roads and congestion charges a back door tax on motorists. I half expect the chancellor of the exchequer to start galloping about on black Bess shouting stand and deliver to the country.
Not frogetting the 5 billion a year he takes out of private pension funds. Bothmain parties do it, talk about reducing taxes and putting up taxes by the back door.
National insurance funds the welfare state. I'm curious, how much does the average american spent on health insurance?
It is not based on income but some arbitary figure that local councils come to based on the value band that your property comes into. Every member over the age of 18 in a houshold pays.
I think you're getting confused with the poll tax, that tory tax that resulted in there being no tory MP's in scotland-take that back one crept in at the last election.
It's levied on the vaue of the house irrespective of how many people live there-so an old age pensioner will pay the same as her next door neighbour that has two or three wage earners it's up top the householder (or landlord) how they allocate it to the inhabitants.
In origin it's a property tax harking back to the days when only property owners could vote
posted by abbey
I will probably come across as a hardnosed bitch, but the way i see it is, this lady going to prison for 7 days will achieve absolutely nothing.
When she is released she still has to pay the council tax, as does the guy that was jailed last week.
Chris, it has nothing to do with the police, it's a civil matter and it was her local council that brought the case to court, not the police.
Fair play to the old dear, she certainly did it at the right time ( Labour are holding their conference this week ).
Does anyone know if Exeter is labour controlled??
Maybe not in isolation but I wouldn't be surprised if there is the makings of a mass protest movement. In Scotland local authorities have never recovered fron the poll tax debacle. Labour can hardly claim to be looking after the poorest in society at the same time as labour councils get OAP's thrown in jail.
posted by chervil
Our country has a tax for everything, value added tax on all purchases in shops, restaurants etc of 17.5%, car tax, council tax, income tax, national insurance, the government are introducing toll roads and congestion charges a back door tax on motorists. I half expect the chancellor of the exchequer to start galloping about on black Bess shouting stand and deliver to the country.
Not frogetting the 5 billion a year he takes out of private pension funds. Bothmain parties do it, talk about reducing taxes and putting up taxes by the back door.
National insurance funds the welfare state. I'm curious, how much does the average american spent on health insurance?
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ArnoldLayne wrote: Jail for elderly council tax rebel
26/09/05
Retired social worker Sylvia Hardy became the first female pensioner to be jailed for refusing to pay council tax arrears when she was sent down for seven days by a court.
Ms Hardy, 73, from Exeter, Devon, failed to pay her arrears of £53.71 in council tax from last year - plus £10 costs - and was in breach of a 56-day suspended committal order.
Jailing her for seven days at Exeter Magistrates' Court chairman Louis Crowden said: "If everyone paid their debts on the basis of what they thought appropriate this country would descend into anarchy.
"You have been given every chance to pay and have wilfully refused to do so."
The chairman said they had no choice but to commit Ms Hardy to prison for seven days, telling her: "You may think you are a martyr but you are not."
As Ms Hardy, from Barrack Road, Exeter, was led away the chairman of Devon Pensioners' Action Forum, Albert Venison, shouted at the bench: "You are on a completely different planet you people."
There were other shouts of "pompous ass" and "shame" from other supporters of Ms Hardy who were packed into the small courtroom.
Ms Hardy marched to the court from her home accompanied by banner-waving supporters.
She was greeted by a huge crowd of other backers before she went in to face the magistrates.
She was told that a telephone offer of payment for her outstanding arrears had been made, but she politely refused it.
Source Daily Express
Given that we seem to be losing the streets to the yob culture while handing them , what seems to be ,non effective ASBOs , should we be jailing 73 year old women ?
Just curious, would the opinions be the same against the establishment, say if you were to reverse the numbers from 73 to 37? Would the 37 year old be more obliged to have to pay the taxes? :-2
26/09/05
Retired social worker Sylvia Hardy became the first female pensioner to be jailed for refusing to pay council tax arrears when she was sent down for seven days by a court.
Ms Hardy, 73, from Exeter, Devon, failed to pay her arrears of £53.71 in council tax from last year - plus £10 costs - and was in breach of a 56-day suspended committal order.
Jailing her for seven days at Exeter Magistrates' Court chairman Louis Crowden said: "If everyone paid their debts on the basis of what they thought appropriate this country would descend into anarchy.
"You have been given every chance to pay and have wilfully refused to do so."
The chairman said they had no choice but to commit Ms Hardy to prison for seven days, telling her: "You may think you are a martyr but you are not."
As Ms Hardy, from Barrack Road, Exeter, was led away the chairman of Devon Pensioners' Action Forum, Albert Venison, shouted at the bench: "You are on a completely different planet you people."
There were other shouts of "pompous ass" and "shame" from other supporters of Ms Hardy who were packed into the small courtroom.
Ms Hardy marched to the court from her home accompanied by banner-waving supporters.
She was greeted by a huge crowd of other backers before she went in to face the magistrates.
She was told that a telephone offer of payment for her outstanding arrears had been made, but she politely refused it.
Source Daily Express
Given that we seem to be losing the streets to the yob culture while handing them , what seems to be ,non effective ASBOs , should we be jailing 73 year old women ?
Just curious, would the opinions be the same against the establishment, say if you were to reverse the numbers from 73 to 37? Would the 37 year old be more obliged to have to pay the taxes? :-2
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Is it true the UK used to tax based on number of rooms, including closets?
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gmc wrote: I see they've backed down on the revaluation in England and wales. Tony's poll tax do you think?
tony no,,,,, its maggies poll tax.
tony no,,,,, its maggies poll tax.
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Accountable wrote: Is it true the UK used to tax based on number of rooms, including closets?
I'm not sure about tax on how many rooms.....but there was a tax on how many windows you had, that's why there are still a lot of old buildings with some windows bricked up so they didn't have to pay as much.
I'm not sure about tax on how many rooms.....but there was a tax on how many windows you had, that's why there are still a lot of old buildings with some windows bricked up so they didn't have to pay as much.
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posted by daffodil52
tony no,,,,, its maggies poll tax
I meant could it bring tony down as the poll tax brought maggie down.
I think not personally. maggie would stick to her principles no matter what. Tony will do what it takes to stay in power. Still no sign of him going. Bet he changes his mind and tries to stay on.
tony no,,,,, its maggies poll tax
I meant could it bring tony down as the poll tax brought maggie down.
I think not personally. maggie would stick to her principles no matter what. Tony will do what it takes to stay in power. Still no sign of him going. Bet he changes his mind and tries to stay on.
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svenskanurse wrote: I'm just curious--what is a council tax? Who pays it? Is it based on income, or is it rather like a property tax?
Council tax: As the council say is chargeable property tax in other words if you have a property you pay. For me mine is £774.90 per year For this the council will provide Policing, road cleaning ECT
What you actually get is very rich councilmen/women. OH and 2 that is 2 lots of bin bags a year to put your rubbish in for the dustmen too collect only if you live in a village like mine thats when they turn up.
Council tax: As the council say is chargeable property tax in other words if you have a property you pay. For me mine is £774.90 per year For this the council will provide Policing, road cleaning ECT
What you actually get is very rich councilmen/women. OH and 2 that is 2 lots of bin bags a year to put your rubbish in for the dustmen too collect only if you live in a village like mine thats when they turn up.
Hi guys love to you all..
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gmc wrote: posted by daffodil52
I meant could it bring tony down as the poll tax brought maggie down.
I think not personally. maggie would stick to her principles no matter what. Tony will do what it takes to stay in power. Still no sign of him going. Bet he changes his mind and tries to stay on. I agree
their both as bad..... tony+maggie ..... infact they all R.
I am just a peasant .....who doe'snt like any off them
all the same pollitics ..... never vote for none off them
and proud off it "2 lol daffy 52
I meant could it bring tony down as the poll tax brought maggie down.
I think not personally. maggie would stick to her principles no matter what. Tony will do what it takes to stay in power. Still no sign of him going. Bet he changes his mind and tries to stay on. I agree
their both as bad..... tony+maggie ..... infact they all R.
I am just a peasant .....who doe'snt like any off them
all the same pollitics ..... never vote for none off them
and proud off it "2 lol daffy 52
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posted by honnykit
Council tax: As the council say is chargeable property tax in other words if you have a property you pay. For me mine is £774.90 per year For this the council will provide Policing, road cleaning ECT
What you actually get is very rich councilmen/women. OH and 2 that is 2 lots of bin bags a year to put your rubbish in for the dustmen too collect only if you live in a village like mine thats when they turn up.
Oh you jammy sod, mine is £1200, mind you I have three bins, one for garden waste, one for paper and one for rubbish colour coded so i don't get it wrong. Mind you, my wife's a teacher so i suppose we get it back that way.
Council tax: As the council say is chargeable property tax in other words if you have a property you pay. For me mine is £774.90 per year For this the council will provide Policing, road cleaning ECT
What you actually get is very rich councilmen/women. OH and 2 that is 2 lots of bin bags a year to put your rubbish in for the dustmen too collect only if you live in a village like mine thats when they turn up.
Oh you jammy sod, mine is £1200, mind you I have three bins, one for garden waste, one for paper and one for rubbish colour coded so i don't get it wrong. Mind you, my wife's a teacher so i suppose we get it back that way.
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gmc wrote: posted by honnykit
Oh you jammy sod, mine is £1200, mind you I have three bins, one for garden waste, one for paper and one for rubbish colour coded so i don't get it wrong. Mind you, my wife's a teacher so i suppose we get it back that way.
I am lucky we get a green bin for garden waste and it was a one off payment of £10 pick every 2 weeks. now i just need to find someone to do the gardening for me?
Oh you jammy sod, mine is £1200, mind you I have three bins, one for garden waste, one for paper and one for rubbish colour coded so i don't get it wrong. Mind you, my wife's a teacher so i suppose we get it back that way.
I am lucky we get a green bin for garden waste and it was a one off payment of £10 pick every 2 weeks. now i just need to find someone to do the gardening for me?
Hi guys love to you all..